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It's allright man! My nights have also been horrible for the past 2 days. My girlfriend waking me up with false alarms (She's expecting our 2nd baby).Originally posted by Sly_RJ
It's getting late man.
I'm still trying to catch up from the sleep lost in ATL.
My schedule is also fucked up!
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there are others on that level out there, it's why i'd like to have a clue before hand if you're gona make everything public. I know more than you may think about behind the scenes stuff in this industry - wouldn't be where i am today if i didn'tOriginally posted by NoCarrier
I was being sarcastic.. Geez..
Do I really need to put smilies to be understood?
Everybody knows that PIBcash and Whoa! Where simply horrible..This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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Allright, my host is http://www.bullhosting.comOriginally posted by SleazyDream
there are others on that level out there, it's why i'd like to have a clue before hand if you're gona make everything public. I know more than you may think about behind the scenes stuff in this industry - wouldn't be where i am today if i didn't
The most solid host I've ever had in 5 years.
And my sponsor will be http://www.dollarmachine.com
Now you have nothing to worry about.
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don't know bulldog host but if that's python's dollar machine I'm 100% behind them as a sponser and have faith in themOriginally posted by NoCarrier
Allright, my host is http://www.bullhosting.com
The most solid host I've ever had in 5 years.
And my sponsor will be http://www.dollarmachine.com
Now you have nothing to worry about.
content, niche and gallery will play a huge role though.This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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I don't see why you're so upset if my gallery is successful or not. We all know there are many factors that will change the outcome.Originally posted by SleazyDream
don't know bulldog host but if that's python's dollar machine I'm 100% behind them as a sponser and have faith in them
content, niche and gallery will play a huge role though.
Everyone buying a gallery spot will go through that process.
You were soooo positive in the other thread. Now you're almost giving me warnings. I don't see those warnings when I asked for the prices on Sleazydream.com
I know the difference is that my results will be public, but let me remind you that you agreed.
Calling me an idiot on this thread surely didn't help your cause, but everyone knows that this is your personal touch on this board (strange marketing indeed) but anyway. I just want to test a gallery spot. That's all.
Exactly like everyone else would. I don't want help, or privileges. Or this is going to affect the test. I'm sure you understand.
Unless you actually HELP everyone that buys a gallery spot. The problem is, we never read any feedback from anyone.Last edited by NoCarrier; 05-13-2004, 10:03 PM.
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go ahead with your test. when did i ever back out?This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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I never said you backed out. Stop putting words in my mouth.Originally posted by SleazyDream
go ahead with your test. when did i ever back out?
Thanks.
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I truly don't understand why this has to be done on a webmaster board! NoCarrier, what are you trying to prove?
I know Sleazy's traffic is great quality! Advertisers just need to know how to convert it.
It totally depends on:
- Content
- Day
- Rank
- Niche
- Membership Fee
- Gallery
Etc etc. You gonna show us the gallery before you'll list it?Comment
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enough with the small talk.... just do the testComment
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As with all TGPs I meanOriginally posted by nickbaauw
Advertisers just need to know how to convert itComment
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I've been buying lots of spots at Sleazys .. making profit on 9 out 10 of them ...
In fact, the only site that I remember not pulling a good profit from Sleazys was exploitedblackteens.com
Make a good thumb and you'll get some decent traffic .. and remember the thumb will be on the frontpage for days - so you might not cover your expenses the first day.Comment
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I agree on this one... get a fresh account so the results are from SD's site only.Originally posted by Pipecrew
To be Fair, create a new account at your sponsor and post the results 1 week after the listing is over... It's been my experience from purchased spots that sales come days after listings expire (hahahahahaha tracking) or show up in the "no referrer" columns. This way you will get a legitimate number that can only come from his listing.
You might consider Eros for galls too by the way!
Can't wait to see the results
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Where did you buy spots and how were the results?Originally posted by TGPslut
I agree on this one... get a fresh account so the results are from SD's site only.
You might consider Eros for galls too by the way!
Can't wait to see the results
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Why not get Sleazy's advice on what to use. Get him to say in as many words that the gallery and all the surronding aspects are great. If it than fails, well, Sleazy truly will be fucked. I understand you are trying to go at it from a normal customers point of view, but really without doing it with Sleazy's advice he and others will be wiggle out of any true responsibility. If he has seen a gallery make 100 signups with his traffic (which he should know) get him to approve your gallery 100% and if it doesn't do dozens and dozens of signups Sleazy will never hear the end of it. Makes sence to me.Comment
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Why? You want me to do the test on a music board? Sleazy and everyone else thought this was a good idea.Originally posted by nickbaauw
I truly don't understand why this has to be done on a webmaster board!
I'm not trying to prove anything or discredit Sleazydream. I'm just doing a test. How many times do I have to say that it doesn't matter if my gallery makes money or not.NoCarrier, what are you trying to prove?
I'm just doing the same process everyone would do if they bought a gallery spot.
Use a good gallery designer and use my best converting sponsor.
People will draw their own conclusion.Last edited by NoCarrier; 05-14-2004, 02:36 AM.
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Originally posted by NoCarrier
Why? You want me to do the test on a music board? Sleazy and everyone else thought this was a good idea.
I'm not trying to prove anything or discredit Sleazydream. I'm just doing a test. How many times do I have to say that it doesn't matter if my gallery makes money or not.
I'm just doing the same process everyone would do if they bought a gallery spot.
Use a good gallery designer and use my best converting sponsor.
People will draw their own conclusion.
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I thought in the original thread a couple of weeks ago that it was a bit obtuse of Sleazy not to give examples of galleries that have done well. On the face of it, with a limited number of spots for sale, everyone involved benefits if a gallery does well: the space buyer obviously, but Sleazy too, since he will have a happy customer likely to come back for more.
That said, I don't see this test as proof of anything. You could line up the best of everything, but judge just one element wrong and the whole exercise goes pear-shaped. And if it does, how exactly do you propose to figure out what was to blame? You might get everything wrong but the one factor that could earn you a bundle.
You won't be able to identify it either and whether it works or not, you won't have any way to know to what extent Sleazy's particular traffic mix had an impact on the result.Comment
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I think its a good test as hes taking averages. A good design, a good sponsors. Look, he buys an advertisment space. He pays a lot of money for it, it shouldnt be 95% impossible to make it back. It should be fairly easy to make back or Sleazy should lower his prices. It would be ridiculous if one would need to investigate and tweak a gallery for 2 months to be able to buy a spot somewhere and make some money. A gallery spot should be priced at a decent amount, where a retard wont make his money back and a pro should make 4 times a money back. An average webmaster somewhere in between. I think this test is a good average.Originally posted by jayeff
That said, I don't see this test as proof of anything. You could line up the best of everything, but judge just one element wrong and the whole exercise goes pear-shaped. And if it does, how exactly do you propose to figure out what was to blame? You might get everything wrong but the one factor that could earn you a bundle.
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when are you scheduled to go in ?
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Yes, you are right. On the other site it's a question of demand and supply. If you have more webmasters on a waiting list, you can set the prices higher. If the (average) webmaster doesn't make his money back, the next will jump on the place. And so on.Originally posted by Battuss
I think its a good test as hes taking averages. A good design, a good sponsors. Look, he buys an advertisment space. He pays a lot of money for it, it shouldnt be 95% impossible to make it back. It should be fairly easy to make back or Sleazy should lower his prices. It would be ridiculous if one would need to investigate and tweak a gallery for 2 months to be able to buy a spot somewhere and make some money. A gallery spot should be priced at a decent amount, where a retard wont make his money back and a pro should make 4 times a money back. An average webmaster somewhere in between. I think this test is a good average.
A lot of gallery spots are overpriced, but the demand is there. GTS has a long waiting list, for example.
NOTE: I don't say that Sleazydreams or GTS spots are overpriced. I don't have any experience in purchasing gallery spots and converting their traffic.Comment
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ummm what made you think I had results of my own?Originally posted by nickbaauw
Where did you buy spots and how were the results?Media Buyer - Sell me your traffic!
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Well, as soon as I get more offers from gallery designers. If not, I'll have to select one.Originally posted by Babel
when are you scheduled to go in ?
And then we have to work on the gallery.Last edited by NoCarrier; 05-14-2004, 11:07 AM.
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actually i did say some examples of who's galleries they areOriginally posted by jayeff
I thought in the original thread a couple of weeks ago that it was a bit obtuse of Sleazy not to give examples of galleries that have done well. On the face of it, with a limited number of spots for sale, everyone involved benefits if a gallery does well: the space buyer obviously, but Sleazy too, since he will have a happy customer likely to come back for more.
That said, I don't see this test as proof of anything. You could line up the best of everything, but judge just one element wrong and the whole exercise goes pear-shaped. And if it does, how exactly do you propose to figure out what was to blame? You might get everything wrong but the one factor that could earn you a bundle.
You won't be able to identify it either and whether it works or not, you won't have any way to know to what extent Sleazy's particular traffic mix had an impact on the result.This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
Now read without the word dog.Comment
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i wonder how long this will take?This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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good point from oracle porn
sponsors doing well with SE traffic can suck on tgp traffic and vice versa. It happens more than often.Comment
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The average person buying a gallery spot is aware of those facts. If you were going to buy one, which sponsor would you chose? The most successful one with your own business model.Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
good point from oracle porn
sponsors doing well with SE traffic can suck on tgp traffic and vice versa. It happens more than often.
That's exactly what I am doing here. Unless people buying gallery spots for the first time, have special powers or knowledge that I don't have.
It's about trial and error. There's nothing scientific about it. The gallery might be successful for a month and then do crap.
I mean, a gallery spot should at least give some results. Because the returning customers ratio would be low.
People are saying how good his traffic is. But those are personal results.Last edited by NoCarrier; 05-14-2004, 12:41 PM.
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No Carrier..I've offered to do the gallery design for free.
I'll put my money where my mouth is.
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Originally posted by eroswebmaster
No Carrier..I've offered to do the gallery design for free.
I'll put my money where my mouth is.
For samples: http://www.eroswebmaster.com
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Originally posted by eroswebmaster
No Carrier..I've offered to do the gallery design for free.
I'll put my money where my mouth is.
For samples: http://www.eroswebmaster.com
Excellent offer!
I'll contact you.
I appreciate it a lot!
Thanks again!Last edited by NoCarrier; 05-14-2004, 01:47 PM.
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Wow, I've read this entire post and I simply cannot believe that not a single person here has said anything about the validity of this so called "test". There are waaaaaaaaaaaaay to many variables to draw any sort of conclusions based on the performance of one gallery listing.
If you want to do a real test buy yourself a package for $2,000.00 and average the results of your 12 galleries.
You'd have to be a fool to attempt to judge the quality of a particular traffic source based on the performance of one gallery! Whether your particular gallery does well or whether it does poorly, it will tell you nothing about the overall quality of the traffic from SleazyDream. A single gallery listing does not = a "test", period!
We've done plenty of advertising with Sleazy and all I have to say about his traffic is:
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He's selling one day gallery spots. That's what I want to try. If other people want to buy 200000 months, it's up to them. My test is the 1day/300$ gallery spot.Originally posted by Jake
You'd have to be a fool to attempt to judge the quality of a particular traffic source based on the performance of one gallery!
We're really happy for you.We've done plenty of advertising with Sleazy and all I have to say about his traffic is:
Thanks for your comments. Everyone can give their own opinion.
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Originally posted by Abyss_Vee
enough with the small talk.... just do the test
I'm just a newbie.Comment
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Uhh.. you know what? ANY really good TGP owner would be happy to give paid customers advice about their galleries if they're going on his site. He is going to do better if he gives you the advice, you make great sales, and then you buy spots every single day? Or if you don't get the advice, miss out on the one little change that was the difference between breaking even or doing a clean up job, and take your gallery and your business somewhere else?Originally posted by NoCarrier
So.. Now you're willing to help me out?!
I asked you to show me a sucessful gallery in the other thread and you never replied. Look, if you want to help me out. I don't mind.
That will be positive for me, for you and everyone else on this board who want to make money. And ever better, buy gallery spots from sleazydream.com
But hey, now I'm an idiot because I want to try that test.
Seriously man, what kind of business man treat their customers that way? Oh yeah.. you..
Think about that a minute
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Actually his gallery listings run for 4 days. Anyway, let me simplify this for you. Simple anecdote here for the slow people: List your gallery on SleazyDream and get 5 sales, now list that exact same gallery with the exact same content 4 days later and you may get 15 sales, shit you may even get 30 - who knows. However, in your "single gallery test" scenario you've concluded that the traffic is only good enough to generate 5 sign-ups.Originally posted by NoCarrier
He's selling one day gallery spots. That's what I want to try. If other people want to buy 200000 months, it's up to them. My test is the 1day/300$ gallery spot.
We're really happy for you.
Thanks for your comments. Everyone can give their own opinion.
I won't even get in all the variables associated with using different galleries, sponsors, content, etc.
BOTTOM LINE: YOU CANNOT DRAW ANY REASONABLE CONCLUSIONS (GOOD OR BAD) BASED ON THE PERFOMANCE OF A SINGLE GALLERY!Comment
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Everyone here already knew that. Did you read the thread or not?Originally posted by Jake
Actually his gallery listings run for 4 days. Anyway, let me simplify this for you. Simple anecdote here for the slow people: List your gallery on SleazyDream and get 5 sales, now list that exact same gallery with the exact same content 4 days later and you may get 15 sales, shit you may even get 30 - who knows. However, in your "single gallery test" scenario you've concluded that the traffic is only good enough to generate 5 sign-ups.
I won't even get in all the variables associated with using different galleries, sponsors, content, etc.
BOTTOM LINE: YOU CANNOT DRAW ANY REASONABLE CONCLUSIONS (GOOD OR BAD) BASED ON THE PERFOMANCE OF A SINGLE GALLERY!
It doesn't matter if you agree or not. I'll post the results and I think it will be interesting.
Thanks again for your comments! We appreciate it.
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Kindly shut the fuck up Bill NyeOriginally posted by Jake
Actually his gallery listings run for 4 days. Anyway, let me simplify this for you. Simple anecdote here for the slow people: List your gallery on SleazyDream and get 5 sales, now list that exact same gallery with the exact same content 4 days later and you may get 15 sales, shit you may even get 30 - who knows. However, in your "single gallery test" scenario you've concluded that the traffic is only good enough to generate 5 sign-ups.
I won't even get in all the variables associated with using different galleries, sponsors, content, etc.
BOTTOM LINE: YOU CANNOT DRAW ANY REASONABLE CONCLUSIONS (GOOD OR BAD) BASED ON THE PERFOMANCE OF A SINGLE GALLERY!Comment
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Why are you trying to convince me of something everyone on this planet agree with?Originally posted by LadyMischief
Uhh.. you know what? ANY really good TGP owner would be happy to give paid customers advice about their galleries if they're going on his site. He is going to do better if he gives you the advice, you make great sales, and then you buy spots every single day? Or if you don't get the advice, miss out on the one little change that was the difference between breaking even or doing a clean up job, and take your gallery and your business somewhere else?
Think about that a minute
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I'm not attempting to upstage eroswebmaster here because he builds top notch galleries, but assuming you still feel the need for more entries I'll throw my hat in the ring with the same offer of a free gallery for your test.Porn Site Pros - Custom Website Design, Turnkey Webcam and Pay Sites, SEO, and ConsultingComment
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well saidOriginally posted by Jake
Actually his gallery listings run for 4 days. Anyway, let me simplify this for you. Simple anecdote here for the slow people: List your gallery on SleazyDream and get 5 sales, now list that exact same gallery with the exact same content 4 days later and you may get 15 sales, shit you may even get 30 - who knows. However, in your "single gallery test" scenario you've concluded that the traffic is only good enough to generate 5 sign-ups.
I won't even get in all the variables associated with using different galleries, sponsors, content, etc.
BOTTOM LINE: YOU CANNOT DRAW ANY REASONABLE CONCLUSIONS (GOOD OR BAD) BASED ON THE PERFOMANCE OF A SINGLE GALLERY!This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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So you agree with the fact that the 300$ gallery spot is almost useless? Then why even propose it to customers?Originally posted by SleazyDream
well said
Isn't supposed to be for someone who want to test your traffic? I don't see anyone buying a spot for a month if they only want to test what the traffic looks like.
We all agreed that sales are based on different factors.. That one day we might get 1 sale, the other day 10.
Bla bla bla.. Zzzzz. We all knew that already.
I don't see why the 300$ spot should be anything else than testing a gallery with your traffic.
And this what I want to do. Test one gallery.Last edited by NoCarrier; 05-14-2004, 06:22 PM.
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whats taking you so long to put the gallery up - its 1 gallery.........................Originally posted by NoCarrier
So you agree with the fact that the 300$ gallery spot is almost useless? Then why even propose it to customers?
Isn't supposed to be for someone who want to test your traffic? I don't see anyone buying a spot for a month if they only want to test what the traffic looks like.
We all agreed that sales are based on different factors.. That one day we might get 1 sale, the other day 10.
Bla bla bla.. Zzzzz. We all knew that already.
I don't see why the 300$ spot should be anything else than testing a gallery based on your traffic.
And this what I want to do. Test one gallery.Comment
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Woooooooooooo.. Take a deep breath!Originally posted by Biggy2
whats taking you so long to put the gallery up - its 1 gallery......................... I have to contact eroswebmaster first. Then he has to design the gallery, then I have to contact someone at cybercatinc.com and book the gallery spot.
Then I'll post the results.
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im taking a deep breath now.. wooo.Originally posted by NoCarrier
Woooooooooooo.. Take a deep breath! I have to contact eroswebmaster first. Then he has to design the gallery, then I have to contact someone at cybercatinc.com and book the gallery spot.
Then I'll post the results.
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Some people dont seem to understand this. Pretty annoying eh?Originally posted by NoCarrier
So you agree with the fact that the 300$ gallery spot is almost useless? Then why even propose it to customers?
Isn't supposed to be for someone who want to test your traffic? I don't see anyone buying a spot for a month if they only want to test what the traffic looks like.
We all agreed that sales are based on different factors.. That one day we might get 1 sale, the other day 10.
Bla bla bla.. Zzzzz. We all knew that already.
I don't see why the 300$ spot should be anything else than testing a gallery with your traffic.
And this what I want to do. Test one gallery.
They act like its almost a secret to make 300 + profit from it. It shouldnt be a secret, it should be fairly doable.Comment
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I agree with ya Battuss, I don't understand why everyone keeps cracking down on this test. He's taking the approach from a normal webmasters view with no extra "benefits" no special knowledge just an average webmaster who has been in the biz for a while and wants to make some extra $$$ from a topspot on SD's site. What's the fuss about?Originally posted by Battuss
Some people dont seem to understand this. Pretty annoying eh?
They act like its almost a secret to make 300 + profit from it. It shouldnt be a secret, it should be fairly doable.
Kudos to Eros for making a gall... IMO he's the best
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If you didn't even contact the designer yet, so the gallery has to be build and you didn't book the spot at sleazydream yet I will put this thread in the refrigiator for now
I will check back this thread in 6 weeks or something...Comment
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see http://www.byotdesignstudio.com
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this is a great test, and if it makes crazy $$, sleazy will have tons of people on here looking to buy spots
looking forward to the results myself
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