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Its not hard to see the beheading video is spliced.

05-13-2004, 08:41 AM

With all the questions over this video, youd think theyd simply mention the time stamp.

Of course its edited and spliced, while watching it just now he is sitting on the floor in front of terrorists near timecode 2:44, when the terrorist begins chopping his head off its at nearly 4 minutes and 30 seconds into the video the time stamp jumps to 13:45 just as one of the terrorists pounces on Nick berg.

pretty shitty editing.

obviously theres more going on here.

"However, the circumstances of the video release are also strange. A Reuters journalist in Dubai first named the Muntada al-Ansar al-Islami website as the source for the video ? at www.al-ansar.biz.

Although the site has now been shut down, Aljazeera.net had looked at the site within ninety minutes of the story breaking ? and could find no such video footage.

But Fox News, CNN and the BBC were all able to download the footage from the Arabic-only website and report the story within the hour."

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...79E91F2784.htm

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05-13-2004, 08:44 AM

So are you saying that it's fake. Or are you saying that the US faked the video. Anyway, where's the dude.
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05-13-2004, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by FuqALot
So are you saying that it's fake.

I am not saying anything other than the subject, its easy to tell it was spliced.

Other than that all I raise is questions, I have no answers.

People are debatibng if he was killed, THEN beheaded, and other theories... just saying its very easy to see the lapse in time, and the definitive splice of events.

youre losing 10 minutes of footage.

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05-13-2004, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I am not saying anything other than the subject, its easy to tell it was spliced.

Other than that all I raise is questions, I have no answers.

People are debatibng if he was killed, THEN beheaded, and other theories... just saying its very easy to see the lapse in time, and the definitive splice of events.

youre losing 10 minutes of footage.

I hope he was killed before the beheading.
Or maybe the first guy who downloaded it removed a few minutes or the server wouldnt accept the filesize.
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05-13-2004, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by FuqALot
I hope he was killed before the beheading.
Or maybe the first guy who downloaded it removed a few minutes or the server wouldnt accept the filesize.

No, my point is, the guys jump on him and the time code is stamped at 2:44, when the guy pulls out his knife to cut off his head, its not even at 3 mins.

The camera shakes, and jumps to a new scene, more than 10 mins later, and the time reads 13:45.

the video makes you think its all in one motion when in fact its not. The guy pulls out his knife, grabs Nick by the hair and other terrorists proceed to hold him down, right then the camera switches to action shot and thats when they start sawing off his head, but the time places them more than 10 minutes prior to the event.

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05-13-2004, 08:51 AM

Looks like it but either way, it's still some fucked up shit.

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05-13-2004, 08:52 AM

I stated this fact 2 days ago. Fletch is correct
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05-13-2004, 08:53 AM

Aljazeera are liars and propaganda spreaders. There's no truth there. Watch cnn they tell you the facts.
All media is fucked. There's not one source you can trust.

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05-13-2004, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by cspdinc
I stated this fact 2 days ago.

Nice, i havenet been following many of the beheading threads heh ;)

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05-13-2004, 08:54 AM

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05-13-2004, 08:54 AM

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All media is fucked. There's not one source you can trust.

thats the thing, this has nothing to do with media.

Im looking at the video trying to analze it myself.

its clearly edited, and spliced, and there no way Nick Berg was killed instantly like that.

there MUST be 10 minutes of torture between him getting his head cut off.

the time code says the video exists, so it does.

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05-13-2004, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
thats the thing, this has nothing to do with media.

Im looking at the video trying to analze it myself.

its clearly edited, and spliced, and there no way Nick Berg was killed instantly like that.

there MUST be 10 minutes of torture between him getting his head cut off.

the time code says the video exists, so it does.

I know what you ment
I just actually commented on the link you posted.. not your post itself. My bad sorry, should have quoted the link.
I just wanted to point out the obvious.

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05-13-2004, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
My bad sorry

No worries ;)

Ive analyzed your video too!

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05-13-2004, 08:57 AM

Or maybe he put up a fight like you wouldn't believe... and they finally exhausted him enough to hold him down.

I'll bet money he was beheaded as shown on the video. Who wants to bet?
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05-13-2004, 08:58 AM

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No worries ;)

Ive analyzed your video too!

Luckily it was a bit less graphic in nature.

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05-13-2004, 08:59 AM

Okay. So what if he wasnt alive when they beheaded him. Why would they kill him first. A guy that can cut off his head like that can also do it when he's alive, since that's just a matter of a few seconds, probably.
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05-13-2004, 09:00 AM

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I'll bet money he was beheaded as shown on the video. Who wants to bet?

No one is saying he wasnt beheaded ;)

thats pretty obvious, this is about missing time and lapse of events.

and its hard to fight when your hands and legs are tied together

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05-13-2004, 09:01 AM

I only saw that video twice, but this is what I observed.

The guy that starts cutting off Berg's head is not the same guy that finishes cutting off Berg's head and holding it up to the camera. So for some reason they passed the knife and cut his head off slow. You can see the guy is not hacking off his head like you would with an axe. He takes his time slicing all around his neck. Cutting a head like that will take a good 5 minutes to come completely off, possibly longer if they paused for some reason during the process.

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05-13-2004, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by FuqALot
Okay. So what if he wasnt alive when they beheaded him. Why would they kill him first. A guy that can cut off his head like that can also do it when he's alive, since that's just a matter of a few seconds, probably.

My question is only, where is the other footage and what does it contain.

pretty straight forward thread.

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05-13-2004, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
My question is only, where is the other footage and what does it contain.

pretty straight forward thread.

Probably killing him or more allah allah bullshit.
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05-13-2004, 09:04 AM

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Probably killing him or more allah allah bullshit.

"Probably" doesnt exist in court.

Maybe it has jihadist high fiving?

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05-13-2004, 09:05 AM

Maybe they cut out the high five and some ass slapping.
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05-13-2004, 09:06 AM

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"Probably" doesnt exist in court.

Maybe it has jihadist high fiving?

Maybe they were dancing to some funky music, but afterwards they found it kinda lame and deleted that scene.
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05-13-2004, 09:11 AM

But what happened is not really something to joke about. Isn't there some warezgroup already that released the UnCut version. Or are we soon having to pay $50 for a medialicense to view it.
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05-13-2004, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
With all the questions over this video, youd think theyd simply mention the time stamp.

Of course its edited and spliced, while watching it just now he is sitting on the floor in front of terrorists near timecode 2:44, when the terrorist begins chopping his head off its at nearly 4 minutes and 30 seconds into the video the time stamp jumps to 13:45 just as one of the terrorists pounces on Nick berg.

pretty shitty editing.

obviously theres more going on here.

"However, the circumstances of the video release are also strange. A Reuters journalist in Dubai first named the Muntada al-Ansar al-Islami website as the source for the video ? at www.al-ansar.biz.

Although the site has now been shut down, Aljazeera.net had looked at the site within ninety minutes of the story breaking ? and could find no such video footage.

But Fox News, CNN and the BBC were all able to download the footage from the Arabic-only website and report the story within the hour."

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...79E91F2784.htm

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i was saying to my buddy yesterday that it looked fake. it skips almost 100 frames during the actual removal. it definatley looks like some form of smoke and mirrors. I dont doubt that the event didnt take place, but it's just fishy.
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05-13-2004, 09:13 AM

does anyone have a full transcript of what is being said?
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05-13-2004, 09:14 AM

Hmzzzz, I've watched the video again. It's strange yeah.

As you mentioned at 2:44:40 the guy pulls out a knife.
and throws Berg to his left.

Then A huge time jump!.

Now 2:44:40 could be actually at 2 AM.
Now when it really starts to ..... then we see a time jump. from 2:44:40 to 13:45:48.

we're speaking of 11 Hours right now.

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05-13-2004, 09:15 AM

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i was saying to my buddy yesterday that it looked fake. it skips almost 100 frames during the actual removal. it definatley looks like some form of smoke and mirrors. I dont doubt that the event didnt take place, but it's just fishy.
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05-13-2004, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by SomeCreep
I only saw that video twice, but this is what I observed.

The guy that starts cutting off Berg's head is not the same guy that finishes cutting off Berg's head and holding it up to the camera. So for some reason they passed the knife and cut his head off slow. You can see the guy is not hacking off his head like you would with an axe. He takes his time slicing all around his neck. Cutting a head like that will take a good 5 minutes to come completely off, possibly longer if they paused for some reason during the process.

exactly. it wasnt like they used a rambo knife either. i butter my bread with bigger knives. It would take that long to slice off a wrist let alone a head.
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05-13-2004, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by JaveWolf
Hmzzzz, I've watched the video again. It's strange yeah.

As you mentioned at 2:44:40 the guy pulls out a knife.
and throws Berg to his left.

Then A huge time jump!.

Now 2:44:40 could be actually at 2 AM.
Now when it really starts to ..... then we see a time jump. from 2:44:40 to 13:45:48.

we're speaking of 11 Hours right now.

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05-13-2004, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by JaveWolf
Hmzzzz, I've watched the video again. It's strange yeah.

As you mentioned at 2:44:40 the guy pulls out a knife.
and throws Berg to his left.

Then A huge time jump!.

Now 2:44:40 could be actually at 2 AM.
Now when it really starts to ..... then we see a time jump. from 2:44:40 to 13:45:48.

we're speaking of 11 Hours right now.

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you notice the video also starts at 13:26:24 and jumps to 2:18:33 in a matter of seconds. maybe this was compiled from two different cameras?
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05-13-2004, 09:22 AM

wouldnt THAT amount of time suggest 2 tapes then?

11+ hours of footage on one tape?

what we running here SuperVHS extended? or standard cam?

simply weird. Ive worked around videographers my whole life, my best friend has filmed in Africa, Alaska, and many places as a videographer, we talk about this type of shit all the time.

this is a very strange thing to have the sequence go down the way it id and have this unfold.

He pulls out the knife literally to put it next to Nicks head, then there is 11 hour lapse?

fogive me for being nosey, but there is something wrong here, something very deep and secretive, anyone should be able to see this.

maybe he is the one who leaked prison photos out? wasnt he connected to Abu Gharaib as well? Communications guy? hmm.

too many questions...

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05-13-2004, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by lurking
you notice the video also starts at 13:26:24 and jumps to 2:18:33 in a matter of seconds. maybe this was compiled from two different cameras?

hehe i just started to hint on this on my post above ;)

very easy assumption, two cameras is a good explanation.

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05-13-2004, 09:23 AM

The thing is that I don't have sound in the video I have. But even that, I can merge sound with video in a split second so that nobody is noticing that.

I can remember those Japanese peoples who where sitting and those masked lamers threatned them with a knife.

Maybe that hapenned to Berg as well. If we're missing 11 Hours, anything could have hapenned between that time. Berg tried to escape, he was shot and those killers decided to add that scene to the one that already has been recorded or whatever. I don't know.As I said, anything could have hapenned.

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05-13-2004, 09:23 AM

Damn it now i got to go back and watch this now
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05-13-2004, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
wouldnt THAT amount of time suggest 2 tapes then?

11+ hours of footage on one tape?

what we running here SuperVHS extended? or standard cam?

simply weird. Ive worked around videographers my whole life, my best friend has filmed in Africa, Alaska, and many places as a videographer, we talk about this type of shit all the time.

this is a very strange thing to have the sequence go down the way it id and have this unfold.

He pulls out the knife literally to put it next to Nicks head, then there is 11 hour lapse?

fogive me for being nosey, but there is something wrong here, something very deep and secretive, anyone should be able to see this.

maybe he is the one who leaked prison photos out? wasnt he connected to Abu Gharaib as well? Communications guy? hmm.

too many questions...

Maybe one camera is at 24hour and the other is at AM/PM.

13hours is close to 2pm.
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05-13-2004, 09:28 AM

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05-13-2004, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
thats the thing, this has nothing to do with media.

Im looking at the video trying to analze it myself.

its clearly edited, and spliced, and there no way Nick Berg was killed instantly like that.

there MUST be 10 minutes of torture between him getting his head cut off.

the time code says the video exists, so it does.

Could if be that Nick managed to put up a fight and pulled one of the bastards masks off...

Other than that I don't really see any reason why they should edit it... maybe make it less graphic but why would they do that?
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05-13-2004, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by zzgundamnzz
Could if be that Nick managed to put up a fight and pulled one of the bastards masks off...

Nick was tied ina fetal position for the most part.

I doubt he could put up much resistance when boung that way with 5 , most likely many more terrorists in the room.

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05-13-2004, 09:47 AM

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Nick was tied ina fetal position for the most part.

I doubt he could put up much resistance when boung that way with 5 , most likely many more terrorists in the room.

I haven't seen the video. All the severs died within a minute...

Just speculating on what could of happend. Or why they would even edit that much time. Maybe somebody without a mask showed up?

Its really hard to tell when theres a time lapse. Just about anything could of happend.
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05-13-2004, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by zzgundamnzz
I haven't seen the video. All the severs died within a minute...

Just speculating on what could of happend. Or why they would even edit that much time. Maybe somebody without a mask showed up?

Its really hard to tell when theres a time lapse. Just about anything could of happend.

you should watch the vid, kind of hard to talk about something you really have to see it, in instances like that, there was no fight, the guy was tied hands to feet.

watch the vid ;)

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05-13-2004, 09:51 AM

does anyone have the vid up?.. I havent been able to view it from any of the links that have been posted a day or so ago. I only got to see the screen caps.
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05-13-2004, 09:52 AM

I saw that video last night and it made me fucking sick. Some fool posted it up here and i clicked on it, I almost fucking puked! damn that shit was sickening
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05-13-2004, 09:54 AM

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I saw that video last night and it made me fucking sick. Some fool posted it up here and i clicked on it, I almost fucking puked! damn that shit was sickening

I think the anticipation building towards the actual execution is almost as bad as the actual killing.

no secret i have anxiety, but this vid made me reallyl nervous and anxious, the build is as bad as the cutting, the actual killing and holding up of the head is only the final parts of the vid, the minutes of him reading and seein how scared the Nich guy is, to me, instills more fear than the actual death.

By that time, id be inviting death instead of the wait. (if i was in his shoes)

scary stuff nonetheless

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05-13-2004, 09:56 AM

the vid quality is terrible, choppy, and seems to be on a frame refresh (almost like a cheap webcam)... not worth seeing

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05-13-2004, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I think the anticipation building towards the actual execution is almost as bad as the actual killing.

no secret i have anxiety, but this vid made me reallyl nervous and anxious, the build is as bad as the cutting, the actual killing and holding up of the head is only the final parts of the vid, the minutes of him reading and seein how scared the Nich guy is, to me, instills more fear than the actual death.

By that time, id be inviting death instead of the wait. (if i was in his shoes)

scary stuff nonetheless

He didn't look scared to me...In fact I don't even know if the dude expected to get his head cut off like that. They were reading that shit and then they just jumped on him.

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05-13-2004, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
thats the thing, this has nothing to do with media.

Im looking at the video trying to analze it myself.

its clearly edited, and spliced, and there no way Nick Berg was killed instantly like that.

there MUST be 10 minutes of torture between him getting his head cut off.

the time code says the video exists, so it does.

Except if you watch the time code on the video it jumps from

When they go for the take down the time code jumps from 2.44:11 to 13:45.47 (11 hours diff "Not" Mins.)

Obviously 2 cameras

Then when he is doing the final "removing" of the head.. The part where he has cut through the head and is about to lift it up to the camera the time code jumps again.. 13:46:37 to 13:47:47 A time loss of one minute

Obviously the same camera and it was filming something. My question is what? It doesn`t take a min to lift a head

Then the time code jumps again when he is presenting the head to the camera.... 13:47:52 to 2:46:17

Two cameras again.

But if I minus the time of 13:45.47 from 13:47.47 I get exactly 2 mins. minus additional time from the difference of 13:46.37 from 13:47.47 and thats a 1 min and 10 seconds. (time lossed during the presenting of the head)

So camera 2 shows 50 seconds of footage.

But camera 1 is still running because it its time code shows that it has been functioning for 2 min and 6 seconds during the execution. (2:44.11 from 2:46.17 = 2.min 6 seconds.)

So if I futher do the math.
2.min 6 secs. - 50 secs = 1min 16 secs of missing footage.

Not saying its a fake.. not saying its real but this disturbs me.

Now unless my math is wrong. Its been edited. A lot and poorly. It almost "feels" too poorly.

Pain in the ass

PS. Does anyone have a link to a news photo of the discovery of the body?

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05-13-2004, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by lurking
does anyone have a full transcript of what is being said?
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05-13-2004, 10:15 AM

my office mate printed it out, see other thread
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05-13-2004, 10:18 AM

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He didn't look scared to me...In fact I don't even know if the dude expected to get his head cut off like that. They were reading that shit and then they just jumped on him.

true, most likely my own damn anxiety.

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