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  • Furious_Male
    Doing the grind since 99
    • Oct 2003
    • 16884
    #101
    One could argue that SI just serves ads. What happens to the surfer after the ads are served is not their responsibility. Hence they are not breaking the law.

    Liken it to an affiliate sending traffic to a pay site that we know fucks the surfers with cross sells, has a shit members area, rips people off on the upsells from the members area etc.

    Not saying its right. But is it illegal?
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      • ADL Colin
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Feb 2001
        • 11929
        #102
        102 clicks


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          • Kimmykim
            bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
            • Jun 2001
            • 16015
            #103
            Originally posted by OldJeff
            Uh.....Defending what he does because it is legal is a pretty far cry from Sad.

            If someone has proof he is doing something illegal - put up or shut the fuck up.

            This whole thread looks to me like someone is pissed that Ron has an agressive marketing campaign and they don't.

            If it is legal - I defend it and even applaud it.

            The industry exists to seperate surfers from their money, the sooner all you fry cooks realize this, the more money the business people will make.

            Fuck this all went downhill when too many porn surfers were allowed to build TGP galleries to suppliment the lunch money their mommies gave them every day.
            Common sense has no place on this board. The sooner you understand that, the better off you'll be. ;)

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              • MickeyG
                Confirmed User
                • May 2004
                • 4134
                #104
                I wonder if any of you "its ok because its legal" people have ever had the pleasure of trying to clean this scumware off of a machine? I highly doubt it. In fact I bet your probally all infected and don't even know it.

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                  • Furious_Male
                    Doing the grind since 99
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 16884
                    #105
                    Originally posted by OldJeff
                    Uh.....Defending what he does because it is legal is a pretty far cry from Sad.

                    If someone has proof he is doing something illegal - put up or shut the fuck up.

                    This whole thread looks to me like someone is pissed that Ron has an agressive marketing campaign and they don't.

                    If it is legal - I defend it and even applaud it.

                    The industry exists to seperate surfers from their money, the sooner all you fry cooks realize this, the more money the business people will make.

                    Fuck this all went downhill when too many porn surfers were allowed to build TGP galleries to suppliment the lunch money their mommies gave them every day.
                    Its also important to note that spyware/scumware has affected this industry just as much as the saturation of free porn from TGPs.

                    I clean PCS on the side. Most of the machines I see can barely move after being booted because of all the shit out there now. Those people infected are NOT going to be able to sign up for a pay site.
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                      • MickeyG
                        Confirmed User
                        • May 2004
                        • 4134
                        #106
                        exactly these infected users are barely able to surf the web, let alone signup for a site.

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                          • crockett
                            in a van by the river
                            • May 2003
                            • 76818
                            #107
                            Originally posted by MickeyG
                            I wonder if any of you "its ok because its legal" people have ever had the pleasure of trying to clean this scumware off of a machine? I highly doubt it. In fact I bet your probally all infected and don't even know it.
                            as kimmy kim put it comon sense has no place on this board...
                            In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                              • BradM
                                Confirmed User
                                • Dec 2003
                                • 3397
                                #108

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                                  • ProjectNaked
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jul 2004
                                    • 4309
                                    #109
                                    Originally posted by BradM

                                    hello mr. r. bot

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                                      • crazeedave
                                        Registered User
                                        • Sep 2002
                                        • 3
                                        #110
                                        http://www.google.com/search?num=100...ndip.%2Bcom%22

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                                          • Cory W
                                            Deeply shallow
                                            • Jan 2004
                                            • 9133
                                            #111
                                            No offense, but this is getting slightly old.

                                            Business is business. I wish there were no commercials on TV. I hate the personal trainer girl at my gym that always solicits me to buy workouts. Why can't I just go to the bar without leaving with 10 million Heineken keychains.

                                            My poor soul.....
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                                              • Quickdraw
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Mar 2004
                                                • 1717
                                                #112
                                                Originally posted by WEG Cory
                                                No offense, but this is getting slightly old.

                                                Business is business. I wish there were no commercials on TV. I hate the personal trainer girl at my gym that always solicits me to buy workouts. Why can't I just go to the bar without leaving with 10 million Heineken keychains.

                                                My poor soul.....
                                                Interesting logic you have there

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                                                  • ADL Colin
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                    • 11929
                                                    #113
                                                    Originally posted by MickeyG
                                                    I bet your probally all infected and don't even know it.
                                                    Then it's not bothering me.


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                                                      • rambler
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jun 2004
                                                        • 745
                                                        #114
                                                        Originally posted by Almighty Colin
                                                        "Must be his boyfriend". What are you, 12?

                                                        I read what you wrote the first time. No need to repeat. Maybe you can't remember that far back.

                                                        I've known 12 Clicks for almost ten years. I did a lot of business with him in the 90s. Anyone who has been around for a while does not need "evidence".

                                                        Ramble on.
                                                        "The guy is a legend. You can only wish you were his equal" quote by Colin

                                                        Sorry, man.

                                                        It just sounds so pathetic to me, the way you always kiss his ass.

                                                        I will try and not let it bother me anymore.

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                                                          • ADL Colin
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                            • 11929
                                                            #115
                                                            Originally posted by rambler
                                                            Sorry, man.

                                                            It just sounds so pathetic to me, the way you always kiss his ass.

                                                            I will try and not let it bother me anymore.
                                                            You've said that three times now. Is that for emphasis or because you can't think of anything else to say? I suspect the latter.


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                                                              • crockett
                                                                in a van by the river
                                                                • May 2003
                                                                • 76818
                                                                #116
                                                                Originally posted by WEG Cory
                                                                No offense, but this is getting slightly old.

                                                                Business is business. I wish there were no commercials on TV. I hate the personal trainer girl at my gym that always solicits me to buy workouts. Why can't I just go to the bar without leaving with 10 million Heineken keychains.

                                                                My poor soul.....
                                                                when you watch a commercial on TV, do then have to take the TV to the repair shop to have it fixed?

                                                                When you go to the gym, does your trainer kick you in the balls so you have to limp around at a snails pace for the rest of the day?

                                                                I can't think of anything for the beer but I hope you get the point.. Spyware cripples peoples computers and costs less savoy computer users a shit load of money getting their computers fixed.

                                                                I used to do service calls for 3 major ISP's. I'd say at least 80% of the service calls were because of spyware. I wouldn't even want to imagine how much money spyware costs companies like AOL, Road Runner, EarthLink in phone tech support and on site service calls. Not to mention Microsoft and all the computer manufactuors that also have their help lines filled with people trying to fix spyware issues.

                                                                Anyone that pushes anything remotely close to spyware is scum in my book. I don't care how cool he maybe in person or how much money they have. Scum is Scum.
                                                                Last edited by crockett; 02-03-2005, 11:06 AM.
                                                                In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                  • ADL Colin
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                                    • 11929
                                                                    #117
                                                                    Originally posted by crockett
                                                                    when you watch a commercial on TV, do then have to take the TV to the repair shop to have it fixed?
                                                                    Get TiVo, man.


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                                                                      • Furious_Male
                                                                        Doing the grind since 99
                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                        • 16884
                                                                        #118
                                                                        Originally posted by crockett
                                                                        when you watch a commercial on TV, do then have to take the TV to the repair shop to have it fixed?

                                                                        When you go to the gym, does your trainer kick you in the balls so you have to limp around at a snails pace for the rest of the day?

                                                                        I can't think of anything for the beer but I hope you get the point.. Spyware cripples peoples computers and costs less savoy computer users a shit load of money getting their computers fixed.

                                                                        I used to do service calls for 3 major ISP's. I'd say at least 80% of the service calls were because of spyware. I wouldn't even want to imagine how much money spyware costs companies like AOL, Road Runner, EarthLink in phone tech support and on site service calls. Not to mention Microsoft and all the computer manufactuors that also have their help lines filled with people trying to fix spyware issues.

                                                                        Anyone that pushes anything remotely close to spyware is scum in my book. I don't care how cool he maybe in person or how much money they have. Scum is Scum.
                                                                        Funny yet valid points.
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                                                                          • crockett
                                                                            in a van by the river
                                                                            • May 2003
                                                                            • 76818
                                                                            #119
                                                                            Originally posted by Almighty Colin
                                                                            Get TiVo, man.
                                                                            I have a DVR it was Cory wishing he had one
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                                                                              • 12clicks
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                                • 19813
                                                                                #120
                                                                                Originally posted by Quickdraw
                                                                                I have done as requested-- Here are my findings--
                                                                                Just a normal popup at first--
                                                                                http://www.ringtonespage.com/en/index.php

                                                                                After the ringtones page I get a Gaming install which leaves the following--
                                                                                Details
                                                                                blah blah blah
                                                                                listen chump change, if you click your way thru the internet, bad things will happen, thats why you are given the choice to click or not click.
                                                                                now stop pretending that these ads that appear after the ringtones ad are served by us.
                                                                                We also don't allow a second popup after our original so please, just blow away with your lame who done it act.
                                                                                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                  • crazeedave
                                                                                    Registered User
                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                    • 3
                                                                                    #121
                                                                                    Originally posted by Almighty Colin
                                                                                    Get TiVo, man.

                                                                                    I have tivo , i have never had to take it to a repair shop to remove spyware ??

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                                                                                      • 12clicks
                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                                        • 19813
                                                                                        #122
                                                                                        Originally posted by Furious_Male
                                                                                        Funny yet valid points.
                                                                                        for the uneducated, yes. the only valid points are that we do not allow auto installs.
                                                                                        so if you watch a commercial or look at our ad, the same thing happends. If on the other hand you call the "male enhancement" add you see on ESPN and your dick doesn't grow, its about the same as clicking on the links. Niether ESPN or I are responsible for the choices you make.
                                                                                        advertising has always been about seperating the stupid from there money.
                                                                                        I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                          • Furious_Male
                                                                                            Doing the grind since 99
                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                            • 16884
                                                                                            #123
                                                                                            Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                            for the uneducated, yes. the only valid points are that we do not allow auto installs.
                                                                                            so if you watch a commercial or look at our ad, the same thing happends. If on the other hand you call the "male enhancement" add you see on ESPN and your dick doesn't grow, its about the same as clicking on the links. Niether ESPN or I are responsible for the choices you make.
                                                                                            advertising has always been about seperating the stupid from there money.
                                                                                            Like I said in the first post on this page. You serve the ads what happens after that you are not responsible for. You may not allow auto installs (or deceptive installs ie: terms are buried under a ton of text) but advertisers you link to may support them.

                                                                                            Its a grey line. People on both sides of the fence should be able to see that.
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                                                                                              • 12clicks
                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                                                • 19813
                                                                                                #124
                                                                                                Originally posted by Furious_Male
                                                                                                Like I said in the first post on this page. You serve the ads what happens after that you are not responsible for. You may not allow auto installs (or deceptive installs ie: terms are buried under a ton of text) but advertisers you link to may support them.

                                                                                                Its a grey line. People on both sides of the fence should be able to see that.
                                                                                                its no greyer than cross sells, dialers or anything else.
                                                                                                I'm not the internet police. If one of my advertisers is breaking the law, I turn over all their info to the FTC when asked. Just like yahoo does.
                                                                                                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                  • Quickdraw
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                                                                    • 1717
                                                                                                    #125
                                                                                                    Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                    listen chump change, if you click your way thru the internet, bad things will happen, thats why you are given the choice to click or not click.
                                                                                                    now stop pretending that these ads that appear after the ringtones ad are served by us.
                                                                                                    We also don't allow a second popup after our original so please, just blow away with your lame who done it act.
                                                                                                    Not pretending anything, I just posted what happened.

                                                                                                    I loaded the javascript page again after the ringtone popup, then I get a software download page that has the terms listed here--
                                                                                                    http://www.crazywinnings.com/activex/conditions.php

                                                                                                    I loaded the 'game' and then you can see what happened after that with my previous post.

                                                                                                    I posted facts, nothing more..

                                                                                                    Funny you resort to name calling. My feelings have been injured.

                                                                                                    It may not be you that is hosting the downloads, but you are definitely a facilitator in the process.

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                                                                                                      • Tala
                                                                                                        Fucked if I know
                                                                                                        • Dec 2002
                                                                                                        • 23368
                                                                                                        #126
                                                                                                        <reads....shrugs....reads the same shit four posts down....shrugs....reads more of the same shit four posts down....feels a pattern emerging....waits until someone can either provide real proof or backs off.....sees someone was banned....giggles insanely....still sees no proof of any wrongdoing by 12clicks....goes about my day>

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                                                                                                          • Furious_Male
                                                                                                            Doing the grind since 99
                                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                                            • 16884
                                                                                                            #127
                                                                                                            Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                            its no greyer than cross sells, dialers or anything else.
                                                                                                            I'm not the internet police. If one of my advertisers is breaking the law, I turn over all their info to the FTC when asked. Just like yahoo does.
                                                                                                            Yes I agree. I mentioned cross sells and shitty members areas as a comparison. I am on the fence about the entire issue I am here more for the conversation.

                                                                                                            Of course we could have this same conversation about dialers and cross sells so I have nothing personal against you (not that you would give a fuck if I did).
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                                                                                                              • 12clicks
                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                • 19813
                                                                                                                #128
                                                                                                                Originally posted by Quickdraw
                                                                                                                Not pretending anything, I just posted what happened.

                                                                                                                I loaded the javascript page again after the ringtone popup, then I get a software download page that has the terms listed here--
                                                                                                                http://www.crazywinnings.com/activex/conditions.php

                                                                                                                I loaded the 'game' and then you can see what happened after that with my previous post.

                                                                                                                I posted facts, nothing more..

                                                                                                                Funny you resort to name calling. My feelings have been injured.

                                                                                                                It may not be you that is hosting the downloads, but you are definitely a facilitator in the process.
                                                                                                                sorry, chump change. you facilitate the process by clicking.
                                                                                                                (I'll forgive your ignorance about the net since you haven't been here very long)
                                                                                                                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                  • 12clicks
                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                    • 19813
                                                                                                                    #129
                                                                                                                    I've got an appointment with Hugo Boss. I'll see you kids tomorrow. (tonight if you're lucky and I'm bored)
                                                                                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                                                                        best designer on GFY
                                                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                        • 30307
                                                                                                                        #130
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Furious_Male
                                                                                                                        One could argue that SI just serves ads. What happens to the surfer after the ads are served is not their responsibility. Hence they are not breaking the law.

                                                                                                                        Liken it to an affiliate sending traffic to a pay site that we know fucks the surfers with cross sells, has a shit members area, rips people off on the upsells from the members area etc.

                                                                                                                        Not saying its right. But is it illegal?
                                                                                                                        Oh No!

                                                                                                                        You saying 12 is another Serge?

                                                                                                                        I would say your almost right.

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                                                                                                                          • modF
                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                            • 1888
                                                                                                                            #131
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by MickeyG
                                                                                                                            I wonder if any of you "its ok because its legal" people have ever had the pleasure of trying to clean this scumware off of a machine? I highly doubt it. In fact I bet your probally all infected and don't even know it.

                                                                                                                            Sadly, you are correct. None of these people who spend 12+ hours a day on the internet have ever gotten any type of adware or spyware. They are all running Linux or Mac's and safe.

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                                                                                                                              • Quickdraw
                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                • 1717
                                                                                                                                #132
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                sorry, chump change. you facilitate the process by clicking.
                                                                                                                                (I'll forgive your ignorance about the net since you haven't been here very long)
                                                                                                                                It's ok with me if you have to talk down to folks to make yourself feel better.

                                                                                                                                Your assumptions are incorrect about my time online. But that makes no difference here. If you feel better talking down to people then feel free

                                                                                                                                And yes I clicked the install, but I knew what I was getting into(or had an idea)

                                                                                                                                Your company is still a key to alot of these problems, but what can one do? I can do nothing, but I know abit more now. Too bad you just spew rhetoric and insults, I was hoping to learn something from the right hand of god....

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                                                                                                                                  • GatorB
                                                                                                                                    The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                    • 18208
                                                                                                                                    #133
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                    ahahaha, your still home?
                                                                                                                                    I guess you're working the lunch shift today.

                                                                                                                                    how about we talk about your business for a while?

                                                                                                                                    is it harder to cook hashbrowns or fries?

                                                                                                                                    Nice reply to a SERIOUS issue. Just makes your case look even worse. would you say that in court? Um no. I mean you might if you are retarded which is debateable right now. Now are you going to answer SERIOUSLY or be a douchebag? YOUR choice.

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                                                                                                                                      • GatorB
                                                                                                                                        The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                        • 18208
                                                                                                                                        #134
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Furious_Male
                                                                                                                                        One could argue that SI just serves ads. What happens to the surfer after the ads are served is not their responsibility. Hence they are not breaking the law.

                                                                                                                                        Liken it to an affiliate sending traffic to a pay site that we know fucks the surfers with cross sells, has a shit members area, rips people off on the upsells from the members area etc.

                                                                                                                                        Not saying its right. But is it illegal?
                                                                                                                                        If I ran a newspaper and ther wer ads for "excorts" am I repsonisble for this even if I am unaware? You bet I am. Look up the law. Anyone that would claim ignornace is probally ingorant. It's HIS program you can't seriously tell me he's unaware of the type of ads he has running. If so then he's a VERY VERY poor businessman.

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                                                                                                                                          • Furious_Male
                                                                                                                                            Doing the grind since 99
                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                            • 16884
                                                                                                                                            #135
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                                                            If I ran a newspaper and ther wer ads for "excorts" am I repsonisble for this even if I am unaware? You bet I am. Look up the law. Anyone that would claim ignornace is probally ingorant. It's HIS program you can't seriously tell me he's unaware of the type of ads he has running. If so then he's a VERY VERY poor businessman.
                                                                                                                                            Notice I said "One Could Argue". As already mentioned. He knows he runs a grey line. The line is as grey as someone sending traffic to a program that has nasty cross sells, a shitty members area or hammers the user inside with dialers etc.
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                                                                                                                                              • Cory W
                                                                                                                                                Deeply shallow
                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                • 9133
                                                                                                                                                #136
                                                                                                                                                GFY threads about "who is the most righteous" are far better than the GFY threads about "who has the biggest ... "

                                                                                                                                                Good job everyone.
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                                                                                                                                                  • Fletch XXX
                                                                                                                                                    GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                    • 60840
                                                                                                                                                    #137
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                                                                    If I ran a newspaper and ther wer ads for "excorts" am I repsonisble for this even if I am unaware? You bet I am. Look up the law. Anyone that would claim ignornace is probally ingorant. It's HIS program you can't seriously tell me he's unaware of the type of ads he has running. If so then he's a VERY VERY poor businessman.
                                                                                                                                                    the back of the LA Weekly is filled with escort ads.

                                                                                                                                                    heheh

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                                                                                                                                                      • GatorB
                                                                                                                                                        The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                        • 18208
                                                                                                                                                        #138
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                                                                                                                        the back of the LA Weekly is filled with escort ads.

                                                                                                                                                        heheh

                                                                                                                                                        Ans...so...? doesn't makeit right. No one ever said the LA was the bastion of morality.

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                                                                                                                                                          • NetRodent
                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                            • 3985
                                                                                                                                                            #139
                                                                                                                                                            This thread reminds me that its time to look into advertising with Starndard Internet. Thanks!
                                                                                                                                                            "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
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                                                                                                                                                              • 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                • 19813
                                                                                                                                                                #140
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                                                                                Nice reply to a SERIOUS issue. Just makes your case look even worse. would you say that in court? Um no. I mean you might if you are retarded which is debateable right now. Now are you going to answer SERIOUSLY or be a douchebag? YOUR choice.
                                                                                                                                                                oh no! a silly surfer is going to school me on what I should and shouldn't do!
                                                                                                                                                                my god, I better listen up.
                                                                                                                                                                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • Fletch XXX
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                    • 60840
                                                                                                                                                                    #141
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                                                                                    Ans...so...? doesn't makeit right. No one ever said the LA was the bastion of morality.
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                                                                                                                                                                      • GatorB
                                                                                                                                                                        The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                        • 18208
                                                                                                                                                                        #142
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                        oh no! a silly surfer is going to school me on what I should and shouldn't do!
                                                                                                                                                                        my god, I better listen up.
                                                                                                                                                                        Yeah I'm a surfer. What a fucking moron. WHO the fuck are you anyways with the "I'm so much better and improtant than everyone" attitude? Seriously who in the fuck are you? I'm asking. You a nobody. You non-important. You could fall the face of the earth and no one will notice.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • ADL Colin
                                                                                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                                            • 11929
                                                                                                                                                                            #143
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                                                                                            Ans...so...? doesn't makeit right. No one ever said the LA was the bastion of morality.
                                                                                                                                                                            MORALITY??????

                                                                                                                                                                            Ummm, what do you do for a living?


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                                                                                                                                                                              • modF
                                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                • 1888
                                                                                                                                                                                #144
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                                                                                                Nice reply to a SERIOUS issue. Just makes your case look even worse. would you say that in court? Um no. I mean you might if you are retarded which is debateable right now. Now are you going to answer SERIOUSLY or be a douchebag? YOUR choice.
                                                                                                                                                                                It may be a serious issue, that he did answer already. Now he can be a douchebag all he wants. SI has been running mainstream ad networks or acting as ad brokers since 1999/98ish, somethign tells me they will not be making it to court anytime soon.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • esnem
                                                                                                                                                                                    #145
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                                    I've got an appointment with Hugo Boss. I'll see you kids tomorrow. (tonight if you're lucky and I'm bored)
                                                                                                                                                                                    Tell my boy Antonio at Sagemore I said what's up!

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                                                                                        ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 28609
                                                                                                                                                                                        #146
                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm not a 12clicks supporter by any means, but i will say this.

                                                                                                                                                                                        "If he is doing something ILLEGAL then post proof"

                                                                                                                                                                                        this is often said , but not nearly as easily done..

                                                                                                                                                                                        Im sure we all agree ibill is doing something illegal , but in all reality we can quote laws left and right , but the proof is in a court case..

                                                                                                                                                                                        So the only REAL proof is done by courts, thus unless someone can point us to some legal papers , then its just "he said she said "

                                                                                                                                                                                        That being said theres obviously gaps in the law. Have you ever gotten a phone call from one of those automated telephone systems that gives you a pre-recorded message ? They piss me the fuck off , but technically they arent illegal.

                                                                                                                                                                                        That doesnt mean you cant give a beef about some company, but keep it to the facts.

                                                                                                                                                                                        In the worse case scenario i suggest if it means that much to a person he/she/they should collect as much info as they can and do whatever they can (i.e. legally on paper ), and a forum is a good way to start.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Lets take the recent case of the domain hijackers/hackers that recently stole thousands of very popular domains such as thehun and sleazy's sites f3.com etc etc

                                                                                                                                                                                        They offered the install files and the "hacker/spammer/hijacker" simply uses any exploit he chooses to install the spyware. The company just says they dont condone it they just offer a piece of software, and all they can do is shutdown users who promote their services in this manner..

                                                                                                                                                                                        So in the end they arent doing anything illegal all they are offering is the software and the affiliate chooses how to promote it..

                                                                                                                                                                                        This is what i call CLICK LAUNDERING. Does it mean they are doing something illegal ? no not yet. Does it mean they are shady as a bush at night ? probably.
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Johny Traffic
                                                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 5461
                                                                                                                                                                                            #147
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm not a 12clicks supporter by any means, but i will say this.

                                                                                                                                                                                            "If he is doing something ILLEGAL then post proof"

                                                                                                                                                                                            this is often said , but not nearly as easily done..

                                                                                                                                                                                            Im sure we all agree ibill is doing something illegal , but in all reality we can quote laws left and right , but the proof is in a court case..

                                                                                                                                                                                            So the only REAL proof is done by courts, thus unless someone can point us to some legal papers , then its just "he said she said "

                                                                                                                                                                                            That being said theres obviously gaps in the law. Have you ever gotten a phone call from one of those automated telephone systems that gives you a pre-recorded message ? They piss me the fuck off , but technically they arent illegal.

                                                                                                                                                                                            That doesnt mean you cant give a beef about some company, but keep it to the facts.

                                                                                                                                                                                            In the worse case scenario i suggest if it means that much to a person he/she/they should collect as much info as they can and do whatever they can (i.e. legally on paper ), and a forum is a good way to start.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Lets take the recent case of the domain hijackers/hackers that recently stole thousands of very popular domains such as thehun and sleazy's sites f3.com etc etc

                                                                                                                                                                                            They offered the install files and the "hacker/spammer/hijacker" simply uses any exploit he chooses to install the spyware. The company just says they dont condone it , and all they can do is shutdown users who promote their services in this manner..

                                                                                                                                                                                            So in the end they arent doing anything illegal all they are offering is the software and the affiliate chooses how to promote it..

                                                                                                                                                                                            This is what i call CLICK LAUNDERING. Does it mean they are doing something illegal ? no not yet. Does it mean they are shady as a bush at night ? probably.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Im also no fan of 12clicks, because of his posts (which as we all know doesnt mean shit) I think he speaks before he thinks. But that said. If hes doing something illegal then report him. If hes not, then shut up already. I expect hes being clever and not doing anything illegal, but just doing something you dont like.......For years people have done things I dont like. It doesnt make it illegal


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                                                                                                                                                                                              • rowan
                                                                                                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 17393
                                                                                                                                                                                                #148
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Almighty Colin
                                                                                                                                                                                                Freddie Mercury lives!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Johny Traffic
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 5461
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #149
                                                                                                                                                                                                    150 cool web searches installed on my computer


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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Johny Traffic
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 5461
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #150
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Johny Traffic
                                                                                                                                                                                                        150 cool web searches installed on my computer
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