I predict Rumsfeld resigns within a month.

**EviLGuY** · 05-07-2004, 10:23 PM

If Rumsfeld resigns the terrorists win!

I dont think he is ultimately to blame for this current shit storm though.

**GonePhishing** · 05-07-2004, 10:34 PM

Nah, that administration never admits anything they did wrong.

**MicroChick** · 05-07-2004, 10:52 PM

I haven't paid much attention to this subject until I saw Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Dean McCain, Liberman and the others on the panel come down hard on Rumsfeld today.

Rumsfeld was totally unprepared. He was acting so damn dumb that I think he may have been telling the truth. If so, then he was hiding under a rock for the past few months.

Who took the pictures and the videos? Iraqi's? Americans?

It reminds me of gang members who video tape their buglaries and robberies, and then get caught by the police, and their very own tapes bury them.

Sure, war is stressful. But soldiers know damn well how they are supposed to treat prisoners of war. We fucked up. Off with their heads and their superior's heads, too.

**Manga1** · 05-07-2004, 11:06 PM

Rumsfeld should resign, and Bush should be impeached. The fish always starts to stink from the head.

**slackologist** · 05-08-2004, 12:39 AM

"These events occurred on my watch," Rumsfeld said. "As secretary of defense, I am accountable for them. I take full responsibility."- Donald Rumsfeld.

Originally posted by rickholio
To turn the phrase, I'm shocked and awed at the ignorance exhibited here, and the apologists just bursting out of their own skin to cover for these criminals (for however high up the chain the criminal intent goes) by blaming anything and anyone except the ones responsible.

The bottom line is that the US warmongers sold the world an invasion based on false pretense (WMDs) and when that fell to peices, fell back on potentially safer ideological reasons (spreading democracy and freedom). In both, they asserted a 'higher moral authority'.

When you torture prisoners, 2/3rds of which are just random people in the wrong place and time, and the majority of the other third basically being petty criminals, you lose any semblance of moral authority, particularly when its being graphically demonstrated, complete with pictures (with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against whomever).

I find it highly ironic that the same group of hatemongers who decry 'leftie moral relativism' is exceedingly quick to write off any of the evil things done to these people as 'it's a war, shit happens'. Apparently hypocracy happens too.

Somehow I doubt that a kid who has a GI schlong up his ass will be all that comforted by the idea that he's getting a "Kinder, gentler rape".

**pure energy** · 05-08-2004, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by GonePhishing
Nah, that administration never admits anything they did wrong.

But of course! Otherwise, they'd lose control on ev erything!

**WarChild** · 06-29-2004, 10:45 AM

It's been long enough now.

You may go ahead and admit you were completely wrong.

**theking** · 06-29-2004, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by WarChild
It's been long enough now.

You may go ahead and admit you were completely wrong.

Yes...as a pyschic...you are a failure.

**jimmyf** · 06-29-2004, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by WarChild
Let's say for a moment that John Kerry wins. He has stated that he will not immediately withdraw US troops from Iraq.

The day he takes over, is he then responsible for the actions of every single US soldier, as well? Should a handful of soldiers misbehave, will you be demanding his Deffense secretary resign? Of course you wouldn't.

This is pure partisan politics. Nothing more.

I must agree with you 100%

**pxxx** · 06-29-2004, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by KRL
This is from the actual Taguba Investigation Report. If the videos of the prisoners being forced to masturbate start getting shown on the worldwide news, its all over for this administration who are supposed to be the defenders of everything so pure and moral. LOL

Some of this stuff is pretty sicko:

"They made them do strange exercises by sliding on their stomach, jump up and down, throw water on them and made them some wet, called them all kinds of names such as "gays" do they like to make love to guys, then they handcuffed their hands together and their legs with shackles and started to stack them on top of each other by insuring that the bottom guys penis will touch the guy on tops butt."

"During my tour at the prison I observed that when the male detainees were first brought to the facility, some of them were made to wear female underwear, which I think was to somehow break them down."

6. (S) I find that the intentional abuse of detainees by
military police personnel included the following acts:

a. (S) Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees;
jumping on their naked feet;

b. (S) Videotaping and photographing naked male and
female detainees;

c. (S) Forcibly arranging detainees in various
sexually explicit positions for photographing;

d. (S) Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and
keeping them naked for several days at a time;

e. (S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear women's
underwear;

f. (S) Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate
themselves while being photographed and videotaped;

g. (S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and
then jumping on them;

h. (S) Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box,
with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his
fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture;

i. (S) Writing "I am a Rapest" (sic) on the leg of a
detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old
fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;

j. (S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked
detainee's neck and having a female Soldier pose for a
picture;

k. (S) A male MP guard having sex with a female
detainee;

l. (S) Using military working dogs (without muzzles)
to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least
one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;

m. (S) Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees.

8. (U) In addition, several detainees also described the
following acts of abuse, which under the circumstances, I
find credible based on the clarity of their statements
and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses
(ANNEX 26):

a. (U) Breaking chemical lights and pouring the
phosphoric liquid on detainees;

b. (U) Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;

c. (U) Pouring cold water on naked detainees;

d. (U) Beating detainees with a broom handle and a
chair;

e. (U) Threatening male detainees with rape;

f. (U) Allowing a military police guard to stitch the
wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed
against the wall in his cell;

g. (U) Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and
perhaps a broom stick.

h. (U) Using military working dogs to frighten and
intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one
instance actually biting a detainee.

Big shame

**jimmyf** · 06-29-2004, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by pxxx
Big shame

I think's it's a BIG shame this tread is over a months old.

I predict Rumsfeld resigns within a month.

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