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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
exactly!! i think you made a big point right there. I havent heard PROOF of anything , thinking back i remember that several people asked ccbill to confirm or deny the rebill fact and they didnt , so i would assume it was a ccbill mistake not a jeff scam or it would have been very simple and EFFECTIVE for ccbill to say , nope he turned off rebills on exactly 2/13/04 from ip address xx.xxx.xxx.xx
Infact i open an invitation to ccbill to either prove or deny this allegation..
As far as the other shit, people have beefs, ANYONE should have a contract , if they dont then when things go bad its very hard to point fingers , way to many dynamics involved. If everything is on paper , then there arent beefs, you go to your lawyer and say , collect my cash one way or another.
Im not saying jeff is right or jeff is wrong , but i have not seen 1 court paper nor one verifiable contractual obligation that was not fulfilled .
If you are in a position to lose/gain money based on "friendship" then your fooling yourself in this buisness and its been proven time and time again..
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Smokey come on man, you seem like a pretty smart guy.. Let's look at his history..
1) has a history of running non-nude under 18 year old sites. Everyone knows the only purpose of those sites is to cater to pedos.
2) got caught with his rebills turned off.
3) has a history of not paying designers.
4) has a history of not paying models.
5) has a history of not paying affiliates.
If it was one of the five listed above I could give him the benefit of doubt.. However not when he has a history of them all, think about it man. Once a scammer always a scammer. You know I was getting real close to promoting his sites, as I figured maybe he is straight.. But na, no way am I going to trust my money with someone with his history..
On the CCBill deal, they are never going to come out and say one way or another, there is nothing in it for them.