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  • Headless
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    • Jan 2001
    • 26727
    #51
    Originally posted by Battuss
    So enlighten us with all the countries where you have been? How come you know so much more about freedom than me?

    Never said I knew more about freedom then you.

    Spin spin spin baby....

    You are the one who questioned my post...

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      • Dirty F
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Jul 2001
        • 59204
        #52
        Quick quick, i want to go to bed, answer me and then you can continue to play with Joe.

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          • debbieN
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            • Jan 2003
            • 1193
            #53
            IF the usa had a flat tax and got rid of emminant domain to steal your property I would say yes to the us.

            Having traveled to many countries I have not felt truely free unless you are very wealthy.

            Wealth and having political influence brings more freedoms than the normal population.

            Switzerland?
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              • xenophobic
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                • Mar 2004
                • 874
                #54
                Originally posted by EddiePulp
                Free to own a handgun?

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                  • Alex From San Diego
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                    • May 2001
                    • 1642
                    #55
                    Battuss, you are only 27y/o....when you are in your 40's like me, come talk to me and educate me on life's experiences. As far as I'm concerned, you are still wet behind the ears and couldn't enlighten me in any way, shape or form.

                    While you are still walking there, I have been there and back several times.
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                      • hydro
                        Confirmed User
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 4216
                        #56
                        mexico

                        you can do just about anything there without the cops getting on your ass.

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                          • Dirty F
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Jul 2001
                            • 59204
                            #57
                            Originally posted by Headless
                            Never said I knew more about freedom then you.

                            Spin spin spin baby....

                            You are the one who questioned my post...
                            Ok thanks, i almost was afraid you had something useful to say but youre just full of shit and acting like yet another proud american who knows nothing about anything just what he sees in his backyard.

                            Nighty night.

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                              • Headless
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                                • Jan 2001
                                • 26727
                                #58
                                Originally posted by debbieN


                                Wealth and having political influence brings more freedoms than the normal population.

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                                  • onno
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                                    • Dec 2003
                                    • 732
                                    #59
                                    still none of the above

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                                      • Joe Citizen
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                                        • Oct 2003
                                        • 4552
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by Battuss
                                        Quick quick, i want to go to bed, answer me and then you can continue to play with Joe.
                                        Nah, I don't want to play with Headless!

                                        I'm only a tourist in this thread!

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                                          • Mikey_219Inc
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                                            • Jun 2003
                                            • 1876
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by Headless
                                            It's funny holland comes up... I was watching a special on how parent pimp out their kids for money in that country..
                                            and this doesnt happen in the US?

                                            I think a pre-requisite to posting in this thread ought to be that you have actually visited other countries than your own.

                                            in florida - people can ride motorcycles without a helmet but i can get a ticket for driving without a fucking seatbelt. the us puts junkies in jail, in holland they focus more on rehabilitation. it has a lot more to do with the smoking weed and hookers - many european countries are light years ahead of america in many ways
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                                              • Joe Citizen
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                                                • Oct 2003
                                                • 4552
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by xenophobic
                                                Free to own a handgun?
                                                How about freedom from gun violence?

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                                                  • Headless
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                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                    • 26727
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by Battuss
                                                    Ok thanks, i almost was afraid you had something useful to say but youre just full of shit and acting like yet another proud american who knows nothing about anything just what he sees in his backyard.

                                                    Nighty night.
                                                    I guess we are in the same boat since you make accusations with baseless second hand info.

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                                                      • Dirty F
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                                                        • Jul 2001
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                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
                                                        Battuss, you are only 27y/o....when you are in your 40's like me, come talk to me and educate me on life's experiences. As far as I'm concerned, you are still wet behind the ears and couldn't enlighten me in any way, shape or form.

                                                        While you are still walking there, I have been there and back several times.
                                                        Why you keep attacking me dude? Put words in my mouth? I only said America isnt the most free country in the world. Are you really offended by this? I had a friendly chat with brainless and you just keep busting my balls and act like im said things which i didnt say.

                                                        So whats your problem...quick i REALLY want to go to bed now.
                                                        Last edited by Dirty F; 05-04-2004, 07:49 PM.

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                                                          • Ash@phpFX
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                                                            • Nov 2003
                                                            • 4292
                                                            #65
                                                            i think australia is pretty good, probably not the most free, but thats not always a bad thing, ie we are not free to carry semi automatic weapons around, i consider this a plus.

                                                            There are a few censorship laws that piss me off, but they dont apply to the whole country, just to some of that states

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                                                              • Dirty F
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                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                • 59204
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Headless
                                                                I guess we are in the same boat since you make accusations with baseless second hand info.
                                                                Arghhh ok 1 last post while i wait for Alex.

                                                                You are really comparing your view on freedom with mine?

                                                                Lets see:

                                                                You: Never been outside the US.

                                                                Me: Been to the US several times, in several cities in several states plus at least 10 other countries in the world.

                                                                Ok...before you post again read this over and over again till you get the hint.

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                                                                  • Joe Citizen
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                                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                                    • 4552
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by Battuss

                                                                    You: Never been outside the US.

                                                                    Me: Been to the US several times, in several cities in several states plus at least 10 other countries in the world.
                                                                    Yeah well I've been to 28 countries and gotten wasted in all of them.

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                                                                      • Headless
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                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                        • 26727
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by Battuss
                                                                        Arghhh ok 1 last post while i wait for Alex.

                                                                        You are really comparing your view on freedom with mine?

                                                                        Lets see:

                                                                        You: Never been outside the US.

                                                                        Me: Been to the US several times, in several cities in several states plus at least 10 other countries in the world.

                                                                        Ok...before you post again read this over and over again till you get the hint.

                                                                        Its funny how you are so sure of yourself. Meanwhile I have never given you the info you need to make such statements...

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                                                                          • Dirty F
                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                            • 59204
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                            Yeah well I've been to 28 countries and gotten wasted in all of them.
                                                                            You sure did a good job when you were here.

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                                                                              • xenophobic
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                                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                                • 874
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                How about freedom from gun violence?
                                                                                no one is immune to gun violence, and you know why? because people were killing people long before guns were invented, it didn't happen the minute a flintlock rifle was invented - and no matter how tightly controlled guns are, they are still used in commission of a crime - by criminals.

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                                                                                  • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                                                    • 4552
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by Battuss
                                                                                    You sure did a good job when you were here.
                                                                                    Amsterdam is special to me.

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                                                                                      • Dirty F
                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                                        • 59204
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by Headless
                                                                                        Its funny how you are so sure of yourself. Meanwhile I have never given you the info you need to make such statements...
                                                                                        Oh please negro...

                                                                                        So youve been to other countries but you wont tell me hahahah.

                                                                                        You already proven you stupidity once in this thread no need to do it again.



                                                                                        Alex??

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                                                                                          • Headless
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                                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                                            • 26727
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by Battuss
                                                                                            Oh please negro...

                                                                                            So youve been to other countries but you wont tell me hahahah.

                                                                                            You already proven you stupidity once in this thread no need to do it again.



                                                                                            Alex??


                                                                                            HAHAHA the only thing I have proven is that you are a moron. Only morons take what they read or hear from other ppl as fact.

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                                                                                              • BRISK
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                                                                                                • Feb 2003
                                                                                                • 12240
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                So far we have USA, Canada, Netherlands, and Australia

                                                                                                Anyone else?
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                                                                                                  • Dirty F
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                                                    • 59204
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Headless
                                                                                                    HAHAHA the only thing I have proven is that you are a moron. Only morons take what they read or hear from other ppl as fact.
                                                                                                    Bye cluecless.

                                                                                                    Alex dissapeared to avoid looking stupid...something you shouldve done as well few posts ago.

                                                                                                    Ok its exactly 6 in the morning im going to bed now.

                                                                                                    AMERICA - Home of the brave land of the free!!!
                                                                                                    WOohoO

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                                                                                                      • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                                                        • 4552
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by xenophobic
                                                                                                        no one is immune to gun violence, and you know why? because people were killing people long before guns were invented, it didn't happen the minute a flintlock rifle was invented - and no matter how tightly controlled guns are, they are still used in commission of a crime - by criminals.
                                                                                                        You are dead wrong.

                                                                                                        Our rates of firearm violence are tiny compared to yours.

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                                                                                                          • BRISK
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                                                                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                                                                            • 12240
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            UK citizens aren't free to own handguns, but Americans aren't free to travel to Cuba. Does this balance out?

                                                                                                            Discuss.
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                                                                                                              • xenophobic
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                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                You are dead wrong.

                                                                                                                Our rates of firearm violence are tiny compared to yours.
                                                                                                                but gun violence exists? so who are these people who break the law and use these weapons?

                                                                                                                I wouldn't like to live in a society that only the criminals are free to own weapons.

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                                                                                                                  • EddiePulp
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                                                                                                                    • Mar 2004
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                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by xenophobic
                                                                                                                    Free to own a handgun?
                                                                                                                    Free to go to bed and not have to worry about some motherfucker coming into your house with a handgun and robbing your arse.
                                                                                                                    I dont need a sig.

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                                                                                                                      • Mr.Fiction
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                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        The United States has a very strong Constitutional protection of free speech, but it's useless if someone like Bush appoints activist right wing Supreme Court justices who re-interpret the constitution to suit their political goals.
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                                                                                                                          • StuartD
                                                                                                                            Sofa King Band
                                                                                                                            • Jul 2002
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                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Patriot Act = All your Freedoms are belong to Bush
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                                                                                                                              • BRISK
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                                                                                                                                • Feb 2003
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                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                World Press Freedom Ranked

                                                                                                                                http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2354077.stm

                                                                                                                                Read and discuss.
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                                                                                                                                  • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by xenophobic
                                                                                                                                    but gun violence exists? so who are these people who break the law and use these weapons?

                                                                                                                                    I wouldn't like to live in a society that only the criminals are free to own weapons.
                                                                                                                                    I don't think you understand what I am saying.

                                                                                                                                    The chance that I could be a victim of gun violence in Australia is virtually ZERO.

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                                                                                                                                      • xenophobic
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                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by EddiePulp
                                                                                                                                        Free to go to bed and not have to worry about some motherfucker coming into your house with a handgun and robbing your arse.
                                                                                                                                        Just free to knife you to death instead then, perhaps you can challenge the burglar to a dual - however my point is you are not "free" to the decision of owning a handgun, you are told you can not own one, is anyone truely free? there is laws to prohibit lots of things, laws made by the rich, protection for the rich etc. it's not who is the most free, it's who's government does not restrict the freedom of it's citizens the most?

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                                                                                                                                          • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by xenophobic
                                                                                                                                            Just free to knife you to death instead then, perhaps you can challenge the burglar to a dual - however my point is you are not "free" to the decision of owning a handgun, you are told you can not own one, is anyone truely free? there is laws to prohibit lots of things, laws made by the rich, protection for the rich etc. it's not who is the most free, it's who's government does not restrict the freedom of it's citizens the most?
                                                                                                                                            What would we need handguns for in Australia?

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                                                                                                                                              • xenophobic
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                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                                                What would we need handguns for in Australia?
                                                                                                                                                once more missing the point, you do not have the "freedom" to own one, if you so wish - which was my point.

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                                                                                                                                                  • BRISK
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                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2003
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                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Last I heard, it was only certain handguns that are illegal in Australia, not all handguns.

                                                                                                                                                    Correct me if I'm wrong.
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                                                                                                                                                      • Alex From San Diego
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                                                                                                                                                        • May 2001
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                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        When you give me your dissertation and premise behind FDR's New deal, I'll comment.....I'm watching the Last samuri...catch you tomorrow.
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                                                                                                                                                          • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by xenophobic
                                                                                                                                                            once more missing the point, you do not have the "freedom" to own one, if you so wish - which was my point.
                                                                                                                                                            You are missing my point.

                                                                                                                                                            We don't need them. It's a freedom the Australian people don't want.

                                                                                                                                                            As a consequence we are largely free from gun violence. You are not.

                                                                                                                                                            We've simply traded one freedom for another.

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                                                                                                                                                              • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by BRISK
                                                                                                                                                                Last I heard, it was only certain handguns that are illegal in Australia, not all handguns.

                                                                                                                                                                Correct me if I'm wrong.
                                                                                                                                                                All handguns are banned.

                                                                                                                                                                Farmers are entitled to have rifles because they need them but they must be registered.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • xenophobic
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                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                                                                    You are missing my point.

                                                                                                                                                                    We don't need them. It's a freedom the Australian people don't want.

                                                                                                                                                                    As a consequence we are largely free from gun violence. You are not.

                                                                                                                                                                    We've simply traded one freedom for another.
                                                                                                                                                                    You can trade freedom? was the "freedom" of not owning a hand gun put to a poplar vote, or was it made into law, by the government?

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                                                                                                                                                                      • StuartD
                                                                                                                                                                        Sofa King Band
                                                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        This whole gun thing is a ghey argument anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                        You're not free to murder anyone or steal stuff either.

                                                                                                                                                                        There's somethings that you're just not free to do.

                                                                                                                                                                        Move on already.

                                                                                                                                                                        The US has guns. Australia doesn't.
                                                                                                                                                                        Australia has kangaroo riding. The US doesn't.

                                                                                                                                                                        Agreed? Ok, great... next topic?
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                                                                                                                                                                          • BRISK
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                                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            In They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45, Milton Mayer wrote about how the German people kept believing they were still free while the Nazis were tightening their control and extending their power over every facet of life. At first people refused to see the obvious, because the infringements on their freedom were coming in small steps. Each of those small steps, on its own, seemed to be no big deal, nothing to rebel against. But by the time you could no longer ignore the big picture, it was too late.
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Sly_RJ
                                                                                                                                                                                Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                                                                                You are missing my point.

                                                                                                                                                                                We don't need them. It's a freedom the Australian people don't want.

                                                                                                                                                                                As a consequence we are largely free from gun violence. You are not.

                                                                                                                                                                                We've simply traded one freedom for another.
                                                                                                                                                                                So you have no problem sacrificing one freedom so long as you receive another freedom?

                                                                                                                                                                                Interesting. Cool.
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by xenophobic
                                                                                                                                                                                    You can trade freedom? was the "freedom" of not owning a hand gun put to a poplar vote, or was it made into law, by the government?
                                                                                                                                                                                    It was made into law by the government about 8 years ago and has wide popular support.

                                                                                                                                                                                    As a result, rates of gun violence have fallen to virtually zero.

                                                                                                                                                                                    In 2001, the rate of murder by firearm was 0.3 persons per 100,000.

                                                                                                                                                                                    We have traded the freedom to own a handgun for freedom from gun violence.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Sly_RJ
                                                                                                                                                                                        Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by MaskedMan
                                                                                                                                                                                        Australia has kangaroo riding. The US doesn't.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Sure we do! Just go to the zoo and hop on.
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • BRISK
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            If the government decides it needs more troops to build and maintain its empire, can you refuse to go if it calls for you? Will they leave you alone if you tell them you won?t kill and die for them? Can you simply ignore the draft, without consequence?
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Sambo
                                                                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Mar 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                NZ is pretty liberal.......

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Corleone
                                                                                                                                                                                                    C.R.E.A.M
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Apr 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Holland.. they're allowed to smoke weed

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Indy the real one
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Jan 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        In some US states fellation and sodomy are forbidden...
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Is that what you call a free country when you re not allowed to fuck the way you want with your boy-girlfriend ?
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Nothing 2 sale...

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