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  • JohnV
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2002
    • 928
    #51
    Originally posted by Anna_O
    Thanks Nutella, keep those sales coming

    And for you morons that say the stats are fake, trust me; thay aren't. Try some CHAMP sites for yourself and see the money roll in!
    Anna_O, your sites are doing amazing and your making a lot of ARS webmasters very, very happy...oh and your making them some $$$$$ as well
    Email me: john -at- teenmodels.com
    ICQ:153043903

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      • Anna_O
        Confirmed User
        • Oct 2002
        • 5773
        #52
        50 hot CHAMP sites

        EDIT: damn John V beat me to #50

        Thanks John
        Last edited by Anna_O; 05-03-2004, 12:58 PM.


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          • Nutella
            Confirmed User
            • Jul 2003
            • 2792
            #53
            Originally posted by KarlGamma
            You think? lol

            In case your memory is wrong and you haven't, you still have time to give it a try and win that $40k TRex we are giving away.

            Of course, after you are done testing those 30 ARS sites

            Karl Bernard
            I remember, you had copies of quickbuck tours as pornaccess sites.

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              • Marc De
                Confirmed User
                • Jun 2001
                • 632
                #54
                On the Partnership program CHAMPS doesn't take chargebacks, refunds, processing fees or holdback from our webmasters. You can't beat that! Also, I think we're the only one with a PPS option

                BTW, at the rate we're getting sites submitted we'll be at 300 in a few months! Good work ARS webmasters...


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                  • Greg B
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Jul 2001
                    • 7014
                    #55
                    With all the increased traffic I'm getting I'm on my way to using ARS big time. You can't lose with what they offer. Figures as I've tried umpteen affiliate programs and the last one is ARS I figure it will be the best.

                    Thanks to Kevin at ARS for hooking me up.

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                      • JohnV
                        Confirmed User
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 928
                        #56
                        Originally posted by Greg B
                        With all the increased traffic I'm getting I'm on my way to using ARS big time. You can't lose with what they offer. Figures as I've tried umpteen affiliate programs and the last one is ARS I figure it will be the best.

                        Thanks to Kevin at ARS for hooking me up.
                        I forwarded your thanks to Kevin
                        Email me: john -at- teenmodels.com
                        ICQ:153043903

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                          • EviLGuY
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 12745
                            #57
                            Champs is a very nice system.. it's like how AdultBouncer used to be, + a few twists.

                            Shit on ARS all you like.. they keep it fresh over there.

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                              • EvilFubAr
                                Confirmed User
                                • May 2003
                                • 1141
                                #58
                                Originally posted by Greg B
                                With all the increased traffic I'm getting I'm on my way to using ARS big time. You can't lose with what they offer. Figures as I've tried umpteen affiliate programs and the last one is ARS I figure it will be the best.

                                Thanks to Kevin at ARS for hooking me up.

                                NP

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                                  • SomeCreep
                                    :glugglug
                                    • Mar 2003
                                    • 26118
                                    #59
                                    This thread is full of ARS sig whores (past or present) all boasting "ARS is great".

                                    Conclusion, the opinions in this thread are worthless.

                                    Webair Hosting

                                    I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

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                                      • Nutella
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jul 2003
                                        • 2792
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by SomeCreep
                                        This thread is full of ARS sig whores (past or present) all boasting "ARS is great".

                                        Conclusion, the opinions in this thread are worthless.
                                        I started this thread.

                                        BTW did someone pay you for your sig? Do you send them traffic?

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                                          • SomeCreep
                                            :glugglug
                                            • Mar 2003
                                            • 26118
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by Nutella
                                            I started this thread.

                                            BTW did someone pay you for your sig? Do you send them traffic?
                                            No one payed me for my sig. Yes, I send TripleXCash traffic.

                                            Webair Hosting

                                            I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

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                                              • Nutella
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Jul 2003
                                                • 2792
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by SomeCreep
                                                No one payed me for my sig. Yes, I send TripleXCash traffic.
                                                I go sig-less.

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                                                  • Anna_O
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                    • 5773
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by SomeCreep
                                                    This thread is full of ARS sig whores (past or present) all boasting "ARS is great".

                                                    Conclusion, the opinions in this thread are worthless.
                                                    Maybe you should take a look at the stats he posted and let them talk...


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                                                      • Nutella
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jul 2003
                                                        • 2792
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by Anna_O
                                                        Maybe you should take a look at the stats he posted and let them talk...
                                                        Upto the minute for today:



                                                        Anna your tour again is rocking!

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                                                          • avion
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                            • 1403
                                                            #65
                                                            yep, I can confirm these stats too.

                                                            And one more time thanks to Nutella for sending some traffic to our new mature site !

                                                            I am kinda skeptic about the whole CHAMPS idea, but the results look good so far...

                                                            Avion

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                                                              • Anna_O
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                • 5773
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Nutella
                                                                Upto the minute for today:



                                                                Anna your tour again is rocking!
                                                                So is your traffic


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                                                                Annas Dungeon - 70k / day Fetish TGP
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                                                                  • aflex
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                    • 3127
                                                                    #67
                                                                    i retract my statement.. lol , congrats man
                                                                    self made mothafucka.

                                                                    buying premium domains & developed sites with revenue/traffic -> adaptweb at gmail.com

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                                                                      • riosluts
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Sep 2003
                                                                        • 5250
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by Nutella
                                                                        I got 2 more sales just since posting this thread

                                                                        Im gonna go right ahead and start promoting the ars champs program. had a good sponsor that converted at 1:500 and now it converts at 1:5000, so want to try something new

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                                                                          • RicardoB
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                                            • 2576
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by Nutella
                                                                            OK, so I really gave ARS Champs (partnership program version they also have a per sign-up version too) a true test this last weekend and here are the results:



                                                                            It did way better then I expected, my small tests showed potential but I was still a little skeptical.

                                                                            My $ amount broke the table in fact as you can see.

                                                                            As most know my traffic is a combo of type-ins, SE, and TGP.

                                                                            For those doubting the no trials, it converts better then what I was promoting with trials.

                                                                            I guess giving the customer what they really want (downloadable movies in mass) is the way to go.

                                                                            I have a few more tests on the way as well.
                                                                            Damn fine results congratz on a job well done
                                                                            Type ins and SE you say eh? gotta look into that some more with those kind of results

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                                                                              • KRL
                                                                                Entrepreneur
                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                • 31429
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Wow! Gorgeous Marc, did MikeW design the AVP tour? That is simply spectacularly done.

                                                                                Sending traffic to that.

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                                                                                  • mrgica
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Jan 2004
                                                                                    • 2169
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Ok that it
                                                                                    For all of you who do not believe that 1:30 or 1:40 is possible, see my stats. from my own paysite. I don't shave myself

                                                                                    The only problem is that I don't have much traffic.

                                                                                    <img src=http://16-8.iicinternet.com/unga-amatorer/www/pic1.jpg><br><br>
                                                                                    <img src=http://16-8.iicinternet.com/unga-amatorer/www/pic2.jpg><br><br>
                                                                                    <img src=http://16-8.iicinternet.com/unga-amatorer/www/pic3.jpg><br><br>
                                                                                    Last edited by mrgica; 05-03-2004, 04:23 PM.
                                                                                    Fuck it dude, lets go bowling

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                                                                                      • Socks
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • May 2002
                                                                                        • 8475
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Just my two cents, but I think Sambo was looking out for everyone's best interests. Even if he's wrong, I think he did the right thing by voicing his opinion.

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                                                                                          • EvilFubAr
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • May 2003
                                                                                            • 1141
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by Socks
                                                                                            Just my two cents, but I think Sambo was looking out for everyone's best interests. Even if he's wrong, I think he did the right thing by voicing his opinion.
                                                                                            Agreed, I would hate to see someone fake some stats with our name on them. But all anyone has to do is login and view the source of our stats pages, many of our stats interfaces use that exact format.

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                                                                                              • bllott
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                                                • 2368
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                nice stats good job dude

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                                                                                                  • Marc De
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                                                    • 632
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    KRL - I'm not positive who did the design, but thanks. I'm think I'mJason knows if he is lurking...


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                                                                                                      • imJason
                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                                                                        • 1215
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        I built the adultvideoplanet.com site

                                                                                                        design buy, http://www.xxxwebsitedesigns.com/
                                                                                                        text and layout by ME,

                                                                                                        this dude was awesome to work with, and he really does great work,


                                                                                                        PS I work on Champs for ARS,

                                                                                                        im mark de champs bitch,

                                                                                                        NUTELLA's stats are real, I jsut wanted to make sure everyone knew that,

                                                                                                        PS my stats on my own promotions are not bad either
                                                                                                        Last edited by imJason; 05-03-2004, 06:00 PM.
                                                                                                        IM Jason

                                                                                                        31227578

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                                                                                                          • samuel
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                                                                            • 1986
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Great ratios, have been the same always?

                                                                                                            Samuel

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                                                                                                              • bizmak
                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                • 10014
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                really nice ratios gonna try this myself

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                                                                                                                  • stevent37
                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                    • 266
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Nutella
                                                                                                                    Upto the minute for today:
                                                                                                                    A Question , you had 3 signups in lesbian desire and only made $40.50? 4 SU with mature and only 54? I thought the payut was $30 Per SU or $15 for revshare.

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                                                                                                                      • imJason
                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                        • 1215
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by stevent37
                                                                                                                        A Question , you had 3 signups in lesbian desire and only made $40.50? 4 SU with mature and only 54? I thought the payut was $30 Per SU or $15 for revshare.
                                                                                                                        thats his rev share stats,
                                                                                                                        IM Jason

                                                                                                                        31227578

                                                                                                                        http://www.vidsvidsvids.com

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                                                                                                                          • AdultNex
                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                            • 8985
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Nutella, you didn't reveal where you got the traffic from.

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                                                                                                                              • AdultNex
                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                • 8985
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by mrgica
                                                                                                                                Ok that it
                                                                                                                                For all of you who do not believe that 1:30 or 1:40 is possible, see my stats. from my own paysite. I don't shave myself

                                                                                                                                The only problem is that I don't have much traffic.

                                                                                                                                <img src=http://16-8.iicinternet.com/unga-amatorer/www/pic1.jpg><br><br>
                                                                                                                                <img src=http://16-8.iicinternet.com/unga-amatorer/www/pic2.jpg><br><br>
                                                                                                                                <img src=http://16-8.iicinternet.com/unga-amatorer/www/pic3.jpg><br><br>
                                                                                                                                Mind revealing what the Paysite URL is?

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                                                                                                                                  • KRL
                                                                                                                                    Entrepreneur
                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                    • 31429
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by imJason
                                                                                                                                    I built the adultvideoplanet.com site

                                                                                                                                    design buy, http://www.xxxwebsitedesigns.com/
                                                                                                                                    text and layout by ME,

                                                                                                                                    this dude was awesome to work with, and he really does great work,


                                                                                                                                    PS I work on Champs for ARS,

                                                                                                                                    im mark de champs bitch,

                                                                                                                                    NUTELLA's stats are real, I jsut wanted to make sure everyone knew that,

                                                                                                                                    PS my stats on my own promotions are not bad either
                                                                                                                                    Fantastic work on that one. It really is a sharp one.
                                                                                                                                    If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor
                                                                                                                                    from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION!
                                                                                                                                    *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
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                                                                                                                                      • Sambo
                                                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                        • 1187
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Socks
                                                                                                                                        Just my two cents, but I think Sambo was looking out for everyone's best interests. Even if he's wrong, I think he did the right thing by voicing his opinion.
                                                                                                                                        Thanks......

                                                                                                                                        I certainly dont make a habbit of calling people out on the board. In fact I think this may be the first time.

                                                                                                                                        I am perfectly prepared to say I was probably wrong on this.

                                                                                                                                        I certainly dont post shit on here just for the sake of it.

                                                                                                                                        I also hope that if someone else sees something that they "think" is wrong that they will question it. Lets face it its not unheard of on here for someone to post something that is not true.

                                                                                                                                        Anyway...... keep up the good work, amazing conversions!!

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                                                                                                                                          • imJason
                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 1215
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                                                            Fantastic work on that one. It really is a sharp one.
                                                                                                                                            thanks man, also im sure stephen and his guys apreciate it,
                                                                                                                                            IM Jason

                                                                                                                                            31227578

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                                                                                                                                              • wyldblyss
                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                • 5779
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Nutella, thanks so much for promoting my site 24/7 BootyCall, it really is appreciated.

                                                                                                                                                My stats for the site are rocking and I am simply amazed at how well it is doing and how great the conversions are. I myself was a bit sceptical about AVP but decided that I would never know unless I tried it, so 24/7BootyCall was born with the help of AVPStudio who designed it and gave me exactly what I was looking for.

                                                                                                                                                I am so impressed with the results I have seen so far that I plan on having several more sites made in the near future.

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                                                                                                                                                  • NedFLanders
                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                    • 412
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    nice stats
                                                                                                                                                    omgwtfbbq

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                                                                                                                                                      • GonZo
                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                        • 3180
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Amber Im bring you that bullshit form tomorrow in person. Think they will unlock my account so I can give this a test drive myself?
                                                                                                                                                        Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!
                                                                                                                                                        "I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."
                                                                                                                                                        All the information above is my personal opinion.

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                                                                                                                                                          • jayeff
                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                            • 2944
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Since I have two sites waiting approval, I'm very pleased to see stats like these. I hope mine do as well

                                                                                                                                                            It would be good too if ARS could speed up the approval process: not (only) because my sites are queued, but it must help sales and retentions to get sites into the program as quickly as possible.

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                                                                                                                                                              • Trax
                                                                                                                                                                [----------------------]
                                                                                                                                                                • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                                • 14486
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                ARS just got my business back!
                                                                                                                                                                lets see how you guys perform

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                                                                                                                                                                  • Nicky
                                                                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                    • 30072
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Great numbers Nutella!!

                                                                                                                                                                    havent tried out CHAMPS yet, gonna do it now

                                                                                                                                                                    gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Tania
                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                        • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                                                        • 5393
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        nice stats

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                                                                                                                                                                          • Ambergirl
                                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                            • 1269
                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by GonZo
                                                                                                                                                                            Amber Im bring you that bullshit form tomorrow in person. Think they will unlock my account so I can give this a test drive myself?
                                                                                                                                                                            Gonzo...ICQ JohnV and he'll get ya hooked up: 153043903

                                                                                                                                                                            Looking forward to seeing you tomorrow in Atlanta!
                                                                                                                                                                            Adult Business Consultant since 1995

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                                                                                                                                                                              • Trippekdick
                                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                • 1756
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                sweeeet stats
                                                                                                                                                                                Signature for sale cheap, email me: webmaster @ enmiljonpixlar.com

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Ambergirl
                                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 1269
                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Sambo
                                                                                                                                                                                    Thanks......

                                                                                                                                                                                    I certainly dont make a habbit of calling people out on the board. In fact I think this may be the first time.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I am perfectly prepared to say I was probably wrong on this.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I certainly dont post shit on here just for the sake of it.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I also hope that if someone else sees something that they "think" is wrong that they will question it. Lets face it its not unheard of on here for someone to post something that is not true.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Anyway...... keep up the good work, amazing conversions!!
                                                                                                                                                                                    Sambo, that's very classy of you to admit a mistake. And I agree on several accounts...it won't be the first time, or last time, someone posts an untruth on GFY (~ducking for cover~) and it was right of you to question something that didn't look right to you.

                                                                                                                                                                                    How about you kick some traffic to the www.arschamps.com sites and see how they convert for you too.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Adult Business Consultant since 1995

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • bllott
                                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 2368
                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        nice stats buddy !

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • bigusdickus
                                                                                                                                                                                            Registered User
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 53
                                                                                                                                                                                            #97

                                                                                                                                                                                            You gonna be in Atlanta?
                                                                                                                                                                                            What's going on in Atlanta?
                                                                                                                                                                                            Why is my clock always stuck on 4:20?!

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Ar3s
                                                                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 4307
                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                good job nuttela!!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • crockett
                                                                                                                                                                                                    in a van by the river
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 76818
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Nutella
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Here is another screenshot, if you see the layout/table size in their stats they did not make enough room for a payout above 5 digits.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I am sure they will correct it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    looks good, I'm planing on doing a few of these champ sites in the next few months. Interesting that Direct Promotion didn't do well at all.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • BlueQuartz
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 1971
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by SomeCreep
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Conclusion, the opinions in this thread are worthless.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        just like yours

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