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  • NoCarrier
    We need more free porn
    • Mar 2002
    • 16356
    #1

    TGP's : Stop believing the hype and propaganda on this board

    When I see threads by Sleazydream calling everyone a fucking idiot because he's doing 100 signups a day (must be 1$ e-mail signups).

    Don't believe them.

    Example:

    Sleazydream.

    What he's doing is simple.

    TGP propaganda on this board to newbies.

    Tell the newbies they are idiots because they don't believe in TGP's.

    He's selling gallery spots you morons!

    That's how he's making money.

    Yes it's possible to make money with TGP's. But be responsible. Don't become a TGP whore. Be reasonnable and learn that less is more. Sleazydream is using the lame ass "advertising" excuse and his "100 daily signups" to prove his point.

    If it was advertised differently, maybe he would do 200 signups a day!



    But that's not my point, my point is that he's doing this TGP propaganda bullshit for a simple reason..

    Selling gallery spots.
    Last edited by NoCarrier; 05-01-2004, 02:37 PM.
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    • polish_aristocrat
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Jul 2002
      • 40377
      #2
      hmm... interesting post from someone who i'd not expect to post that
      I don't use ICQ anymore.

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        • mpahlca
          Confirmed User
          • Feb 2004
          • 1821
          #3
          People Sell Gallery Spots? to NewbieS??? No Fucking Way!

          If people are stupid enought to not work and try and "buy" success then they will learn the hard way!

          Good for sleazy dream that he can sell those spots!
          I could give two shits wether you read this sig or not.

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            • jact
              Confirmed User
              • Sep 2002
              • 9134
              #4
              At least you said there's money to be made in TGP. I think there may be some truth in your post but honestly, all the power to Sleazy for booking those spots.
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                • NoCarrier
                  We need more free porn
                  • Mar 2002
                  • 16356
                  #5
                  Originally posted by mpahlca
                  People Sell Gallery Spots? to NewbieS??? No Fucking Way!

                  If people are stupid enought to not work and try and "buy" success then they will learn the hard way!

                  Good for sleazy dream that he can sell those spots!
                  I'm not blaming him. That's his way to make money.

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                    • juicylinks
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Apr 2001
                      • 122992
                      #6
                      who the hell is Sleazydream?

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                        • Pipecrew
                          Master of Gfy.com
                          • Feb 2002
                          • 14888
                          #7
                          Originally posted by NoCarrier
                          When I see threads by Sleazydream calling everyone a fucking idiot because he's doing 100 signups a day (must be 1$ e-mail signups).
                          100 is very possible, and not with email signups either.

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                            • CyberBachelor
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                              • Jun 2003
                              • 2682
                              #8
                              Originally posted by juicylinks
                              who the hell is Sleazydream?
                              .....................................

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                                • JFK
                                  FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                                  • Jan 2002
                                  • 67369
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by NoCarrier
                                  When I see threads by Sleazydream calling everyone a fucking idiot because he's doing 100 signups a day (must be 1$ e-mail signups).

                                  Don't believe them.

                                  Example:

                                  Sleazydream.

                                  What he's doing is simple.

                                  TGP propaganda on this board to newbies.

                                  Tell the newbies they are idiots because they don't believe in TGP's.

                                  He's selling gallery spots you morons!

                                  That's how he's making money.

                                  Yes it's possible to make money with TGP's. But be responsible. Don't become a TGP whore. Be reasonnable and learn that less is more. Sleazydream is using the lame ass "advertising" excuse and his "100 daily signups" to prove his point.

                                  If it was advertised differently, maybe he would do 200 signups a day!



                                  But that's not my point, my point is that he's doing this TGP propaganda bullshit for a simple reason..

                                  Selling gallery spots.

                                  So what is your angle? What have you got to gain from "exposing " Sleazy?

                                  If the gallery spots didnt work I am sure he would rapidly run out of customers

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                                      • Jul 2001
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                                      #10
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                                        • cosis
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Aug 2001
                                          • 5292
                                          #11
                                          It looks like he always has repeat customers so it must be working for them

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                                            • polish_aristocrat
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • Jul 2002
                                              • 40377
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Pipecrew
                                              100 is very possible, and not with email signups either.
                                              lol, don't tell me Sleazy Dream is making 100 paid sign ups from his TGP every day ( maybe the gallery spots he's selling earn them but his own sales from his own linking coded to sponsors - I don't believe that )
                                              I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                                                • Viper2K1
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                  • 1006
                                                  #13
                                                  I don't mind if sleazydream calls me an idiot ... he's probably right

                                                  I do believe 70% of the TGP's out there make jack shit
                                                  25% makes some money
                                                  4% makes good money
                                                  1% makes a shitload of money
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                                                    • NoCarrier
                                                      We need more free porn
                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                      • 16356
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by JFK
                                                      So what is your angle? What have you got to gain from "exposing " Sleazy?

                                                      If the gallery spots didnt work I am sure he would rapidly run out of customers
                                                      I'm not exposing Sleazy. I'm exposing the TGP propaganda from people selling gallery spots.

                                                      What would be the point in selling gallery spots if they make less than using its own galleries.

                                                      You seriously think he would run out of customers? I don't think so, but that's my opinion.
                                                      Last edited by NoCarrier; 05-01-2004, 02:51 PM.

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                                                        • Rictor
                                                          Old Timer
                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                          • 12208
                                                          #15
                                                          His site sort of sprouted up out of nowhere and built up bookmarkers pretty fast. His formula was simple design, hard link trades, and building and submitting a ton of galleries to other tgps that instead of sponsors had links back to his TGP.

                                                          I don't know if he still does this, but he used to inflate his counter by using the same counter on his main page as he used on every gallery page, heh.

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                                                            • cosis
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                              • 5292
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Viper2K1
                                                              I don't mind if sleazydream calls me an idiot ... he's probably right

                                                              I do believe 70% of the TGP's out there make jack shit
                                                              25% makes some money
                                                              4% makes good money
                                                              1% makes a shitload of money
                                                              4% ? I don't know what you consider good money but that seems awfully low

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                                                                • jact
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                  • 9134
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                                                                  lol, don't tell me Sleazy Dream is making 100 paid sign ups from his TGP every day ( maybe the gallery spots he's selling earn them but his own sales from his own linking coded to sponsors - I don't believe that )
                                                                  I for one believe that Sleazy makes at least 100 signups each and every day from his TGP/gallery efforts. It isn't that hard to believe, unless of course you're used to trying to make that 5 signups a day thing.
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                                                                    • juicylinks
                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                      • 122992
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by juicylinks
                                                                      who the hell is Sleazydream?

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                                                                        • Rictor
                                                                          Old Timer
                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                          • 12208
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by NoCarrier
                                                                          I'm not exposing Sleazy. I'm exposing the TGP propaganda from people selling gallery spots.

                                                                          What would be the point in selling gallery spots if they make less than using it's own galleries.
                                                                          Well for one thing, it's a lot fucking less work, trust me. Galleries you build yourself usually convert better than hosted galleries, but unless you want to hire a staff of gallery builders or spend your free time building them yourself, it's more profitable to sell those spots for a fixed rate that's around what you would make putting your own galleries there.

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                                                                            • mrniceguy
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Apr 2004
                                                                              • 546
                                                                              #20
                                                                              I really don't think that any newbie will buy gallery spots!
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                                                                                • Dildozer
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                                  • 7519
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  You nailed it right on the fuckin head NoCarrier!

                                                                                  Remember the time i bitched about TGP's with Shemp in my sig? There was about 30 desperate losers emailing Shemp hoping to get a few brownie points.

                                                                                  Pathetic
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                                                                                    • cosis
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                      • 5292
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Rictor
                                                                                      Well for one thing, it's a lot fucking less work, trust me. Galleries you build yourself usually convert better than hosted galleries, but unless you want to hire a staff of gallery builders or spend your free time building them yourself, it's more profitable to sell those spots for a fixed rate that's around what you would make putting your own galleries there.
                                                                                      Good point, making galleries is not only boring but time consuming... and to shell out new ones each day would be a pain in the ass

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                                                                                        • MrIzzz
                                                                                          If u touch it, I will cum
                                                                                          • Sep 2003
                                                                                          • 22923
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          don't believe everything you read on a board


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                                                                                            • Viper2K1
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                              • 1006
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by cosis
                                                                                              4% ? I don't know what you consider good money but that seems awfully low
                                                                                              There's tons of TGP's out there ...
                                                                                              I'm not talking about 4% of what's listed on sextracker or something
                                                                                              anyways, those figures are not facts or anything, just my personal opinion/experience
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                                                                                                • BradM
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Dec 2003
                                                                                                  • 3397
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  There is money to be made in tgp if you know what you're doing.

                                                                                                  Nuff said.

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                                                                                                    • polish_aristocrat
                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                                                      • 40377
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by jact
                                                                                                      I for one believe that Sleazy makes at least 100 signups each and every day from his TGP/gallery efforts. It isn't that hard to believe, unless of course you're used to trying to make that 5 signups a day thing.
                                                                                                      I meant daily sales from traffic from his own TGP ( sleazydream.com ), not counting sales from his own galleries posted on other sites
                                                                                                      I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                                                                                                        • RicardoB
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                                                          • 2576
                                                                                                          #27

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                                                                                                            • NoCarrier
                                                                                                              We need more free porn
                                                                                                              • Mar 2002
                                                                                                              • 16356
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by cosis
                                                                                                              Good point, making galleries is not only boring but time consuming... and to shell out new ones each day would be a pain in the ass
                                                                                                              If those gallery spots are that productive, trust me, I'd take the time to make them myself or even better, hire someone else to do it.

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                                                                                                                • jact
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                  • 9134
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                                                                                                                  I meant daily sales from traffic from his own TGP ( sleazydream.com ), not counting sales from his own galleries posted on other sites
                                                                                                                  I was talking about the galleries he lists himself on Sleazydream.com, not other TGPs.
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                                                                                                                    • SomeCreep
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                                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                      • 26118
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Pipecrew
                                                                                                                      100 is very possible, and not with email signups either.
                                                                                                                      Yes, VERY possible, especially considering Sleazydream also gets listed on all his friend's TGPs which basically includes sextrackers top 25 sites.

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                                                                                                                        • Sly_RJ
                                                                                                                          Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                                                                          • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                          • 17042
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          There is no money in galleries or TGPs. Please stop submitting galleries. Please stop buying gallery spots.

                                                                                                                          Please!
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                                                                                                                            • cosis
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                                                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                              • 5292
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by NoCarrier
                                                                                                                              If those gallery spots are that productive, trust me, I'd take the time to make them myself or even better, hire someone else to do it.
                                                                                                                              Maybe on a site like Sleazy's it would be easier since there is only a few updates. It looks like half of them are his galleries on each update

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                                                                                                                                • polish_aristocrat
                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 40377
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by jact
                                                                                                                                  I for one believe that Sleazy makes at least 100 signups each and every day from his TGP/gallery efforts. It isn't that hard to believe, unless of course you're used to trying to make that 5 signups a day thing.
                                                                                                                                  ah, BTW and not speaking about Sleazy Dream - most webmasters make 5 sales per day and not 100 sales per day....if you are making 100 per day then congratulations, unfortunately the link in your profile goes to a content store, so i cannot check what kind of other sites you run
                                                                                                                                  I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                                                                                                                                    • justsexxx
                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 13723
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      NOt that hard to get 100 new joins at AFF....

                                                                                                                                      Don't forget he post(ed) galleries too...

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                                                                                                                                        • jact
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 9134
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                                                                                                                                          ah, BTW and not speaking about Sleazy Dream - most webmasters make 5 sales per day and not 100 sales per day....if you are making 100 per day then congratulations, unfortunately the link in your profile goes to a content store, so i cannot check what kind of other sites you run
                                                                                                                                          I don't do 100 per day, but I'm definitely building to it. Did 43 yesterday, I think that's pretty damn good considering I'm a newbie.
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                                                                                                                                            • jact
                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                              • 9134
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              I think I need to check out Sleazy's rates, this thread has inspired me
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                                                                                                                                                • Nicky
                                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                  • 30071
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                                                                                                  There is no money in galleries or TGPs. Please stop submitting galleries. Please stop buying gallery spots.

                                                                                                                                                  Please!
                                                                                                                                                  Yes your right, listen to him folks, quit adult while ya can!!!

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                                                                                                                                                    • juicylinks
                                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                      • 122992
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Who is this Sleazydream guy?

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                                                                                                                                                        • polish_aristocrat
                                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 40377
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by jact
                                                                                                                                                          I was talking about the galleries he lists himself on Sleazydream.com, not other TGPs.
                                                                                                                                                          hm, interesting, i guess i will have to check out his site, been there only 2 or 3 times since i didn't like the design...
                                                                                                                                                          But from what i remember, he lists less galleries each day than other tgp's, so when the majority are sold spots, then not sure how many are his own...

                                                                                                                                                          anyway, EOT from my side, it does not have so much sense talking about other poeple's businesses i know nothing about and can just tell opinions without knowing any facts...

                                                                                                                                                          perhaps you're right, yet i still doubt it
                                                                                                                                                          I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                                                                                                                                                            • Pornkings
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                                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                              • 5334
                                                                                                                                                              #40
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                                                                                                                                                                • pornstar2pac
                                                                                                                                                                  Omaha Hi/Lo
                                                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                                  • 17380
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
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                                                                                                                                                                    • LadyMischief
                                                                                                                                                                      Orgasms N Such!
                                                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                                                      • 18135
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                                                                                                                                                                      hm, interesting, i guess i will have to check out his site, been there only 2 or 3 times since i didn't like the design...
                                                                                                                                                                      But from what i remember, he lists less galleries each day than other tgp's, so when the majority are sold spots, then not sure how many are his own...

                                                                                                                                                                      anyway, EOT from my side, it does not have so much sense talking about other poeple's businesses i know nothing about and can just tell opinions without knowing any facts...

                                                                                                                                                                      perhaps you're right, yet i still doubt it
                                                                                                                                                                      Trsut me, don't doubt it.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • devilspost
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                                          • 3980
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          I sale gallery spots

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                                                                                                                                                                            • jact
                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                                                              • 9134
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by devilspost
                                                                                                                                                                              I sale gallery spots
                                                                                                                                                                              Short ones?
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                                                                                                                                                                                • SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 41470
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by juicylinks
                                                                                                                                                                                  who the hell is Sleazydream?
                                                                                                                                                                                  fucked if i know. and it seems this panzy he's talking about only does 100 sales a day - pathetic.
                                                                                                                                                                                  This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                                                                                                  Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Ice
                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 26053
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                                      fucked if i know. and it seems this panzy he's talking about only does 100 sales a day - pathetic.
                                                                                                                                                                                      I saw a pic of sleazy once... it's a skinny little asian guy
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 41470
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Pipecrew
                                                                                                                                                                                          100 is very possible, and not with email signups either.
                                                                                                                                                                                          never done ANY email marketing in my life.

                                                                                                                                                                                          and just to rub it in to nocarrier (cause nothing hurts like the truth), i've had GALLERIES (not days, SINGLE GALLERIES) on a single posting on one site (site and on others) do 100+ full sales not $1 trials......


                                                                                                                                                                                          don't believe me - i don't care. I know it's true, people who buy ads from me know the revenue, it's why they KEEP buying ads. And you'll se emy own galleries on my site too. I could loose all my pre-paid ads tomorrow and it wouldn't really effect my revenue. I do it for variety on my site and cause i'm too lazy to make all the galleries myself.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Last edited by SleazyDream; 05-01-2004, 04:14 PM.
                                                                                                                                                                                          This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                                                                                                          Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • DreamCumTrue
                                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 2985
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              SleazyDream is full of himself and full of shit.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • NoCarrier
                                                                                                                                                                                                  We need more free porn
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 16356
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sleazydream debunking my theory to protect his gallery spot market. I'd do the same thing if I was him.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Dildozer
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 7519
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by SleazyDream


                                                                                                                                                                                                      and just to rub it in to nocarrier (cause nothing hurts like the truth), i've had GALLERIES (not days, SINGLE GALLERIES) on a single posting on one site (site and on others) do 100+ full sales not $1 trials......
                                                                                                                                                                                                      yeah back in 1994
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