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Do you drink alcohol ??Originally posted by Goose
stupid and naive people not giving a damn for health and their lives...
Do you know the damage it can do ??
Don't you care ???
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X is the best drug I have ever taken.
Once a year is enough. If it's so good, it's got to be bad!Comment
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"Wanna pop an E man?"
I not big on drugs, probably smart to stay away.Comment
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ecstasy... cheesy name. Do the drug over and over again? Might as well go kill yourself.Comment
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No, its not addictive physically. Some people might have some unnatural mental addiction.Originally posted by Plan9
Its probably the worst drug you can do, period, when it comes to permanent side effects. I'm not just listening to propaganda either - I've seen the results first hand. Its bad for ANYONE, but worse for those that are already depressed, and I've seen my friends turn into fucking zombies.
Ever heard the phrase e-tard? If not, go to a rave and you're bound to see them in droves. Its really sad, and pathetic, to see how harmful this drug can be.
That being said - trying it once isn't going to cause permanent brain damage, and most people that have their heart set on doing it aren't gonna be persuaded out of it. But its extremely addicting, if addiction runs in your family chances are you'll get hooked fast
Anyway. Those are my thoughts on the drug. Take it as advice from someone that's been there.
The problems you see with it come from a few things:
Abuse of the drug
Impurities in the drug
Lack of sleep, tremendous output of energy, and being a moron
in moderation its a tremendous tool that is unparalleled for therapy, fun, or bonding with someone
if you can, don't get pressed pills and try to find pure mdma, also called molly.
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You need to find better E if its doing something bad to you taking it once a month.Originally posted by Plan9
the term "moderation" is vague, and even doing the drug bi-weekly, or monthly, is still gonna fuck you up in the long run.-uno
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I've seen plenty of pot heads, people who like shrooms, acid, and a few other things lecture about how drugs have enriched their lives.Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
it amazes me to no end, how, generation after generation there will always be people who not only defend drug use, but actually encourage it. History does not lie. Drug use destroys lives.
When have you ever seen a heroin junkie, cokehead, crackhead, meth freak, etc.... EVER stand up and give a lecture on how the drug (of their particular choice) has enhanced and enriched their lives for the good?
The answer is never.-uno
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ok then.Originally posted by GenPadova
ecstasy... cheesy name. Do the drug over and over again? Might as well go kill yourself.
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Yup, it's definately worth a try. The media makes it out to be alot more dangerous than it is.Originally posted by Joe Citizen
You don't get it, ecstasy feels GREAT.
If you havent tried it you have no idea.
It's still not "healthy", but i think its worth it *shrug*Comment
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hahaha, no shit... i took it every 2nd day for a month or two and didn't get any of these long term effects i hear of.Originally posted by uno
You need to find better E if its doing something bad to you taking it once a month.Comment
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Ecstasy is for fuck heads who can't have a good time.Comment
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its not exactly easy to make. You need thousands of dollars in equipment and a source to get the very illegal and highly watched precursors so your averageOriginally posted by Kassidy
Drugs are stupid, plain and simple, especially E. You don't know what shit is in it or what fucked up, meth-freak, highschool drop out mixed it.is probably only selling it.fucked up, meth-freak, highschool drop out-uno
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e-tards are funny.
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I've known several casual coke users actually.... people that don't do it more than once or twice a month.Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
and now I suppose you're going to tell me that someone can actually use things like Cocaine or crack or junk casually.
I'd love to hear it. Because while I may not have ever used X, (I quit using drugs long before that shit ever existed) I have used just about everthing else. And there is no way you can sit there and tell me that shit like coke can be used 'casually'. In fact, there is only one illegal drug that I know of that CAN be used casually, and that's LSD. And the only reason for that is because of the way it works. You simply can't do it again right away and get the same high. You're FORCED to wait. (it's also non-addictive.)Comment
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Can you explain to me what coke or heroin has to do with ecstacy?Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
Is it perhaps because you can't possibly find one crackhead in a million that can provide proof that his life is now better because he's a crackhead? Or is it simply the conditioned response?-uno
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You are a complete tard brain with that logicOriginally posted by Joe Citizen
Casual drug use and chronic addiction is like the difference between a casual drinker and an alcoholic.
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didn't get to read the whole thread so forgive me for my
X causes pin sized holes in your brain. Now while they haven't been able to show the long terms effects from this(hasn't been studied long enough), I don't want anymore holes than I already got.
It temporarily changes the shape of your blood cells, inhibiting their ability to absorb oxygen (thus the euphoric feeling: this is not the whole reason for it either, has to do with a reduction in the brain of a reduction of tryptophan hydroxylase) . Not getting enough oxiginated blood to your body parts and they start to tingle, hence the heightened tactile sensation. In an attempt to get more oxygen to these parts, the body has to send more blood, increasing blood flow to said parts causes swelling. When blood vessels become dialated the nerves are more responsive.
Most fatalities occur in women. One of the common reasons is an inability to stop uterine bleeding. One of the main ingredients is used in 'spanish fly' or the original bovine booster. It is used in bulls to get them to have sex more so they can reproduce more by inseminating more females in a season.
Aside from this, there is so much more that has to deal with the brain and Neuropharmacology involved. The drug itself, nor the individual componants are to be used lightly and without full understanding.Comment
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Uno don't get your panties all in a bunch. The media and schools have trained everyone to think that all "drugs" are the same. Someone who has never done them doesn't know the difference. This is like me trying to describe what walking on the moon feels like I have no idea so any answer you get out of me isn't gonna be right, it's going to be a guess based on what I've heard.Originally posted by uno
Can you explain to me what coke or heroin has to do with ecstacy?
Only other answer I could come up with is reffering to stuff that is sometimes cut into pills but I don't think that's where those comments came from.
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they're full of shit. I used to say the same crap back when I was doing the stuff, but I guarantee you LSD never fucking enriched anything about anyone's life.Originally posted by uno
I've seen plenty of pot heads, people who like shrooms, acid, and a few other things lecture about how drugs have enriched their lives.
Having a good high and enjoying it is not the same as 'enriching your life'. But when you're on drugs, it seems like they are one and the same.SIG TOO BIGComment
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x eats away at your brain
fuck that!
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I would like to know your sources on these 4 points. Please point me to some info. From everything I have read this isn't the case.Originally posted by Evelyn
X causes pin sized holes in your brain.
It temporarily changes the shape of your blood cells, inhibiting their ability to absorb oxygen (thus the euphoric feeling: this is not the whole reason for it either, has to do with a reduction in the brain of a reduction of tryptophan hydroxylase).
One of the common reasons is an inability to stop uterine bleeding.
One of the main ingredients is used in 'spanish fly' or the original bovine booster.
In terms of the holes in your brain. If your reffering to the postcard of a brain split down the middle with one side being your brain and the other being your brain on X. It is a missleading picture, they used to and still do hand that out to scare people. The picture makes it look like there are actually holes in your brain when in fact there are not. That picture is from reading the seritonin (sp?) levels of a normal brain and then a brain the day after taking X. They did a good explination of that picture on the ABC show "ecstacy rising". If you are reffering to something else please point me to some info on it as I would be most intersted in reading about it.
The next 2 points I'm interested in becasue I have NEVER heard that before and would be interesting reading.
As for your last point I'm asking about I find it hard to understand... Ecstacy is 1 chemical.. it's MDMA it can be made several ways from my understanding and so saying that "One of the main ingredients" is used in something else makes me think that there is something wrong with your statement becasue there is only 1 ingredient.
Thanks in advance for pointing me to some info
- Danny
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I dont know where you've got your information... but it's all wrong. It does not put holes in your brain, the shape of your blood cells do not change, and the high has nothing to do with getting enough oxygen to your body parts, it's caused by your brain releasing extra amounts of serotonin.... the "tingling" people talk about when on E is nothing like when you're arm is asleep.Originally posted by Evelyn
didn't get to read the whole thread so forgive me for my
X causes pin sized holes in your brain. Now while they haven't been able to show the long terms effects from this(hasn't been studied long enough), I don't want anymore holes than I already got.
It temporarily changes the shape of your blood cells, inhibiting their ability to absorb oxygen (thus the euphoric feeling: this is not the whole reason for it either, has to do with a reduction in the brain of a reduction of tryptophan hydroxylase) . Not getting enough oxiginated blood to your body parts and they start to tingle, hence the heightened tactile sensation. In an attempt to get more oxygen to these parts, the body has to send more blood, increasing blood flow to said parts causes swelling. When blood vessels become dialated the nerves are more responsive.
Most fatalities occur in women. One of the common reasons is an inability to stop uterine bleeding. One of the main ingredients is used in 'spanish fly' or the original bovine booster. It is used in bulls to get them to have sex more so they can reproduce more by inseminating more females in a season.
Aside from this, there is so much more that has to deal with the brain and Neuropharmacology involved. The drug itself, nor the individual componants are to be used lightly and without full understanding.
Read up
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma.shtmlComment
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drug use is drug use. Today the flavor of the week for you make be E, next week it may be something else.Originally posted by uno
Can you explain to me what coke or heroin has to do with ecstacy?
One week I was smokin weed and dropping A-bomb, the next I was doing as much coke as I could get my hands on, a few weeks after the coke dried up I was jamming ice in my nose.
That's what one has to do with the other.
When you're a fucking drug user, you use drugs. And fooling yourself into thinking you can pop one here and there like grabbing a soda out of the refrigerator is a lie you will eventually come to regret.SIG TOO BIGComment
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Well I was so lucky to see someone OD and die from it. We were at a club in Philly the cop's just stood there laughing. The EMT's got here and this guy was in bad shape.
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I am sorry to say alot of the info published by the government about that drug are somewhat off. Unfortunatly what this has caused is a lack of public trust in what the government says about drugs.Originally posted by Evelyn
WTF?! You mean the propaganda pamplets at the rehab clinic were wrong?!!
While info on other drugs that the goverment maybe closer to right about how dangerous they are, some people are now choseing to ignore that information simply becasue they don't trust what is being said anymore.
- Danny
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The loss of serotonin in the brain will cause holes and crevices over time. The holes thing is a speculation made by having that information.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/pubs/teachi...Teaching2.html
But keep in mind this is gov regulated stuff.Comment
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You guys crack me up... I personally don't care what people do as long as they aren't hurting anyone but themselves...
I have no real idea who's got the right facts here and who doesn't, and once again, I don't really care, but here's an interesting page I just googled up --
http://www.maps.org/mdma/
While it certainly appears to be pro-drug, it does at least have links to things like government hearings on the drug and so on.Comment
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You do make a good point there Amp. It is easy to justify to yourself that if your smoking weed that well a little line of coke wouldn't be that bad. The same thing happens to me when I drink. I'm fine for the first 2 or 3 drinks. After that I am not myself. My self control goes right out the hahahahahaha and 15 drinks later I'm talking to the toilet. However I do think that comparing them in terms of there usage patterns or addiction paterns isn't a fair in a discussion about E. The person who started the topic was obviously looking for some information about the topic. While I understand the need to let people know the dangers of how easy it is to go from one to the other and have a very bad downhill ride I personally feel that it should be a whole new topic.Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
drug use is drug use. Today the flavor of the week for you make be E, next week it may be something else.
One week I was smokin weed and dropping A-bomb, the next I was doing as much coke as I could get my hands on, a few weeks after the coke dried up I was jamming ice in my nose.
That's what one has to do with the other.
When you're a fucking drug user, you use drugs. And fooling yourself into thinking you can pop one here and there like grabbing a soda out of the refrigerator is a lie you will eventually come to regret.
- Danny
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You probably have an addictive personality, but that doesnt mean everyone does. I can "pop one here and there like grabbing a soda" and not feel any addiction at all... I haven't even done any sort of drug in probably 3 or 4 months (not because i was trying to quit or anything, simply because i hadn't really thought about it...).Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
When you're a fucking drug user, you use drugs. And fooling yourself into thinking you can pop one here and there like grabbing a soda out of the refrigerator is a lie you will eventually come to regret.Last edited by stev0; 04-28-2004, 09:39 AM.Comment
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The scientific studies are out there. The ones that get published widespread aren't always the most accurate.
Unfortunatly, most people cant understand the raw info, so they trust the information supplyed to them in laymens terms of how things work.
I am making assesments of my own on reports I have seen in class. I am sorry if 'real' new data does not support these claims.
The field of science is ever changing and if you are going to keep up, you can't blink for a moment.
I am off to research and find tangible evidence to support my previous claims. So far from what I've seen, there is alot of swamp to muck through. If I find it, I will post...I'f I don't, I will post to let you know I have been friutless. But I WILL learn something and that is the best I can do.Comment
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I have a great time...Originally posted by Ross
Ecstasy is for fuck heads who can't have a good time.
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Yeah, sameOriginally posted by Scott McD
I have a great time...
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I'm sorry to say but I have a hard time trusting NIDAs site. In the 1998 DR. George Recarda (sp?) the US sponsered study on Ecstacy done tried to prove that users lost 50% - 85% of there seritonin function. His study has been laughed at by people all over the medical community becasue his methods were flawed. In 2002 he published another study claiming that a single use of it can cause Parkensons (sp?) disease. However Sept 8 2003 ABC aired his retraction on there network becasue he accidently injected the monkeys with METH not Ectacy. Because of these problems with his work for NIDA I find any info they put out hard to trust or take at face value these days.Originally posted by Evelyn
The loss of serotonin in the brain will cause holes and crevices over time. The holes thing is a speculation made by having that information.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/pubs/teachi...Teaching2.html
But keep in mind this is gov regulated stuff.
- Danny
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Infact, the club i go to, which usually holds over 2500 each time, i never see a fight, just smiling happy people.Originally posted by stev0
Yeah, same
Go to any of the other club's around here with all the booze boys, all you get is cheek, fights, and assholes who think they are something special...
I'm happy with my choice...
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mdma causes your brain to release a large amount of serotonin, and temporarily depletes it. Sunlight helps build it back up quick though... otherwise the "lack of pep" caused by the depleted serotonin levels can last a week or so. Still nowhere near the "long term damage" horror stories they make it out as.Last edited by stev0; 04-28-2004, 10:05 AM.Comment
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I have some people I would love for you to meet
Same goes for ANYONE that denies the long term effects of the drug. And note: Im NOT SAYING ONE USE CAUSES PERMANENT DAMAGE.
The tricky thing with ANY drug is that, you have no idea whether you'll run into trouble with it before you try it. Even if your parents weren't alcoholics, you can still have inherited that little recessive gene, and once you start in with the substance abuse it lights right up. You won't know if you have the addictive personality until its too late - at which point, odds are, you've just fucked yourself.
But you know what, to the people that have tried it once and are fine: congratulations. I've done it 5 times over the course of the last two years, and I'm fine. No arguement. I'm simply pointing out the actual, real dangers of the drug, that users simply love to deny.
Its the same thing with potheads. All my friends deny the long-term effects, and the fact that it is an actual physical addiction and craving to use the drug. Denial is a funny, yet scary beast
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Evelyn hit me up on icq if you have a chance I am more than happy to point you in the direction of any info I have on the topic, both good and bad.
- Danny
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never done it and not planning to do so in the future.Comment
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I'm glad I did X three or four times. I havent in ten years and I hope I got away with it. Talk about an experience I will never forget. The best was the shit with the heroin dots in it. Mmmmmmmmmmm heroin dots. I might have become addicted had I not went completely clean and sober soon after due to a hellacious alcohol problem.Comment
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Evelyn - the US Gov was releasing all this research talking about the risks of X that has since been thoroughly discredited as bad science. The doctor 'accidently' used speed one time instead of X when testing lab rats - the conclusions of that study made from page news! the retraction that followed wasn't on the front page - go figure. The government has lost its credibility in supplying information on the pitfalls of taking X.
In moderation, i believe X is pretty low-risk. A couple of people do randomly die every year from taking it, but the odds are lower than from taking most prescription drugs. Of course if you are one of those taking 5 pills every friday and saturday nite i'd say you are causing some sort of permanent damage...what the damage is/will be remains to be seen. Estimates are that 1 million pills are taken every Sat nite in England...and have been so since the late 1980s.....they have not been able to establish any sort of abnormal number of people with brain functions in England....hence the scepticism.
If you take X, be safe and don't overdue it...and don't do it every weekend!
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That's exactly it.Originally posted by cool1g
In moderation, i believe X is pretty low-risk. A couple of people do randomly die every year from taking it, but the odds are lower than from taking most prescription drugs.
Estimates are that 1 million pills are taken every Sat nite in England...and have been so since the late 1980s.....they have not been able to establish any sort of abnormal number of people with brain functions in England....hence the scepticism.
If you take X, be safe and don't overdue it...and don't do it every weekend!
People are saying here that you are fucked for taking it at all.
If you drink every day & night, you won't last long. No one has said they do E every week, like you say, over 1 million are taken in England per week, how many death's do you hear of through it ??
I do it at big dance events, get trashed, have the best time ever, take a day or two to recover, and then it's back to normal.
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Ecstacy and mushrooms are for pussies who can't handle the severe psychological trauma of good ole' fashioned LSD. If I'm to deliberately declare a braincell holocaust and make it so that my dotage is spent shitting into potted plants and wiping my ass with the cat, I'm going to do it the right way. Stop beating around the bush with these pansy club drugs and take a real hallucinogen.Comment
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was doing it the summer of 2001, did it 3 or 4 times at a couple of techno parties in Croatia.. partying on the islands/beaches
did 3 pills since that summer at 3 big techno parties.. never gonna do it again! and i mean NEVER!
BUT i hate people that bitch how the drug is bad but never ever tried it....
I LOVED THE DRUG WHEN I WAS CONSUMING IT, AND I'M NOT GOING TO DENY THAT!Last edited by sake; 04-28-2004, 11:14 AM.Comment
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Originally posted by cool1g
Evelyn - the US Gov was releasing all this research talking about the risks of X that has since been thoroughly discredited as bad science. The doctor 'accidently' used speed one time instead of X when testing lab rats - the conclusions of that study made from page news! the retraction that followed wasn't on the front page - go figure. The government has lost its credibility in supplying information on the pitfalls of taking X.
In moderation, i believe X is pretty low-risk. A couple of people do randomly die every year from taking it, but the odds are lower than from taking most prescription drugs. Of course if you are one of those taking 5 pills every friday and saturday nite i'd say you are causing some sort of permanent damage...what the damage is/will be remains to be seen. Estimates are that 1 million pills are taken every Sat nite in England...and have been so since the late 1980s.....they have not been able to establish any sort of abnormal number of people with brain functions in England....hence the scepticism.
If you take X, be safe and don't overdue it...and don't do it every weekend!
hahah. So, you're going to assume that every pill you get on the street is pure MDMA? Thats naive, to say the least. Experimental vs. Theoretical are two things entirely, and in practice, you will more often than not get pills with plenty of fucked up chemicals in them - unless you know the people that are capping the pills personally. Even then, I knew plenty of people that were cutting their shit with all KINDS of stuff you'd never want to put in your body. Receiving a dose of speed when you take a pill is the least of your worries, odds are you'll get much worse.
Edit: Had to add this: people need to stop quoting these fucking studies, and pretend they know what they are talking about. We all know studies and statistics can prove ANYTHING, and these are all meaningless figures, conjectures, and assumptions, unless you've actually been there.Last edited by Plan9; 04-28-2004, 12:18 PM.Comment
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Shut up, biatchOriginally posted by Ross
Ecstasy is for fuck heads who can't have a good time.
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