i have heard from both sides on this subject..is there a one true historically correct answer?
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religion... it is chosen... my parents tell me my grandfather is half jewish... i dunno how that is possible...
I think people cunfuse being jewish with being hebrew
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its funny how people look at it as a race ...Insert Sig HereComment
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My hunch is it probably is more of a CULTURAL trait since many Jews are atheists (Herzl, etc). It is not RACIAL since there are Jews of many races (Sephardim, Ashkenazim, etc). Nor is it one body of religion (atheists aside there's many radically differing 'flavors' of Judaism from Recontructivist to Reform to ultra orthodox).
It is probably cultural due to the high emphasis on religion, family, community, personal advancement/development, etc.Comment
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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
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You are born Jewish if you have a Jewish mother: you belong to a people. It makes no difference whether you are of Ashkenazi (European) or Sephardi (North African/Middle Eastern) descent.
You do not become more Jewish even if you spend your days studying the Torah, although some might consider you a "better" Jew. You remain a Jew even if you decide to follow another religion.
And if you are a woman, your children will be Jewish. They may be considered bastards by some, if you married a non-Jew, but they will still have the right of return to Israel, as Jews.Comment
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pretty exclusive little club eh?Originally posted by jayeff
And if you are a woman, your children will be Jewish. They may be considered bastards by some, if you married a non-Jew, but they will still have the right of return to Israel, as Jews.
kinda heartless to to call your own "bastards"
well then again, Jesus was a fucking bastard nazarene, so bastards are lords to some.
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coolest thing about the jewish word is the 6 pointed star.
<img src=http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/1/1a/Magen_David_in_Double_lines_black.jpg border="1">
much cooler and branding than the cross, although not as fear driven.
the david star looks satanic.
as far as logos are concerned, I think the jews got it with the star, christians cross is pretty lame.
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Neither, it is an ethnicity.Comment
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Originally posted by neewwman
Jews are not a race, but a "people" or ethnicity.
Your question is discussed at length
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A "Jew" can either be a race or a religion. If a Jewish person's decendents are Jews from old (ancestors for hundreds of years), then they are genitcally Jewish. If somebody finds the Jewish faith appealing and they convet to Judiasm, then they are "Jewish" by faith but not by blood. Yeah.Comment
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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
coolest thing about the jewish word is the 6 pointed star.
<img src=http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/1/1a/Magen_David_in_Double_lines_black.jpg border="1">
much cooler and branding than the cross, although not as fear driven.
the david star looks satanic.
as far as logos are concerned, I think the jews got it with the star, christians cross is pretty lame.
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I strive to be more Jewish every day by tending to my finances diligently. You would think they had the ultimate section on accounting in the Torah, but no, I think it's in the genes.
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my child's father is jewish because his mother was jewish. i am a gentile so our child is not considered to be jewish.
Groucho Marx was once denied entry to a country club swimming pool because he was a Jew. I love his response:
?My son?s only half-Jewish. Can he go into the pool up to his knees??
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Originally posted by titmowse
my child's father is jewish because his mother was jewish. i am a gentile so our child is not considered to be jewish.
Groucho Marx was once denied entry to a country club swimming pool because he was a Jew. I love his response:
?My son?s only half-Jewish. Can he go into the pool up to his knees??
you are damn gentle!
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FYIOriginally posted by titmowse
my child's father is jewish because his mother was jewish. i am a gentile so our child is not considered to be jewish.
"4B. For the purposes of this Law, "Jew" means a person who was born of a Jewish mother or has become converted to Judaism and who is not a member of another religion."
The "Law" referred to is "The Law of Return" passed in 1950, giving every Jew the right to citzenship of Israel.
In my earlier reply, I had forgotten that people can convert to Judaism and also that those born Jews must renounce other religions (if any) to be considered Jewish by the State of Israel. Traditionally, if a Jew converts to another religion, his/her family and friends will mourn as if he/she has died. Although then an apostate and outside the Jewish community, such a person still remains a Jew according to most authorities: specifically the Halakha.
I suppose the most accurate thing would be to say that Judaism is both the culture and the religion of the Jewish people. Being Jewish is certainly not a matter of ethnicity, since Jews (like Arabs) are semites.
PS: American Reform and Reconstructionist Jews now hold that a child of a Jewish father but non-Jewish mother may be considered Jewish providing the child was brought up in the Jewish religion.Comment
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yes, there is one true fact on this:Originally posted by toodamnfli
i have heard from both sides on this subject..is there a one true historically correct answer?
jewish=religion
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jewish=nationality
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Originally posted by alexg
yes, there is one true fact on this:
jewish=religion
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jewish=nationality
thats it
yes probably because there is no Israeli nationality in Israel other wise it was only religion.
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yes probably because there is no Israeli nationality in Israel other wise it was only religion.Comment
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I always thought it was pretty funny that even if you scream at everyone you encounter how much you hate the jews and want to kill them all, if you were born to a jewish mother you are a jew and will always be a jew.LOVERCASH.COM
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ask a jew in america and he'll say: it's religion
ask a jew in israel and he'll say: its a nation
i say its an ethnicity (a mixture of both). according to the biblical view, the arabs (a nation) are descendents of ishmael (son of abraham by a different wife), and the israelites descended from israel (son of abraham by sarah). the complication comes in due to the fact that israelites had a national religion (judaism), i.e. israelites could only be jews (with some apostacy along the way of course) and by becoming a jew you became part of the tribe of israel. nowadays its obviously not as simple, since the tribes no longer exist.
however, to say that jews are a race is to stretch it. they are semitic people. theoretically the only difference between arabs and jews (sepharadic) is religion. even their culture resembles a lot.
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Well it's a religion, you can convert and become a Jew.
convert = To persuade or induce to adopt a particular religion, faith, or belief: convert pagans to Christianity; was converted to pacifism by the war.
I don't think a white person can convert to black, just like a black person can't convert to white.
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actually neither. It is a "people."Comment
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