ECSTASY - your opinion

50 Junkies

and now I suppose you're going to tell me that someone can actually use things like Cocaine or crack or junk casually.

I'd love to hear it. Because while I may not have ever used X, (I quit using drugs long before that shit ever existed) I have used just about everthing else. And there is no way you can sit there and tell me that shit like coke can be used 'casually'. In fact, there is only one illegal drug that I know of that CAN be used casually, and that's LSD. And the only reason for that is because of the way it works. You simply can't do it again right away and get the same high. You're FORCED to wait. (it's also non-addictive.)

I prefer Purex bleach... they have that lemon flavored one that is great on the rox.

Sure they can. I do.

Not all illegal drug users are junkies.

great to hear. Stick with it, I'm sure it'll take you far in life.

Do me a personal favor and look me up in 20 years, because I'd love to hear all about how your drug use has made life better for you and those around you.

Hell, in fact, why wait.... please enlighten us and share some of the wonderful things drugs have done for you. Maybe touch on some specific goals that drug use has helped you accomplish. It could end up being a shining example of why everyone should use drugs. Maybe some of us might even see it as a plus that should be hahahahahahahahaed on future resumes.

"I am a better person thanks to ___________ because it allowed me to do ___________."

Drugs are for relaxation and to kick back.
Find me 1 person that will say drinking helped them reach a goal in life.

At no point did I claim alcohol did any such thing. In fact, I DID say just the opposite. So why would I look for someone to support it?

drugs are bad for you. stay away

It did the opposite because you were a chronic alcohol abuser and alcoholic.

Moderation in all things is the key.

cigs , ecstacy , drugs .. all this shit is for weak people.

well, you're wrong about that, but that's a completely different topic. My problem with alcohol isn't alcohol in and of itself. My problem with alcohol is that it seriously aggravates my manic moods. And once I learned that, I eliminated that particular problem. Now, if the root problem was alcoholism, that would not have been possible. Believe me, all these things have run through my mind a million times from every possible angle, and I'm damn sure not going to sugarcoat anything at this stage.

I'm bipolar, not stupid. Your attempt at reverse psychology was indeed noble, yet misplaced. But to be fair, it's not entirely your fault, you simply don't have all the facts.

but I digress.... as I said, that's another topic.

X sucks LSD's balls smiles for miles...




P.S.

Pot helps my ADD and anxiety :D

(sure I could take pills for that but I'd rather be a pothead than a pillhead)

Drugs are commonly used by LOSERS!

3rd time trying to post this - my power keeps going out.

The 'rumored effects'? Please. You can continue to support that little myth, but the fact is - its just that. a myth. I've seen the effects of chronic use with my own two eyes, and its not pretty. It destroys lives, and causes PERMANENT damage - whether you'd like to admit it or not.

I have a friend that has to walk around all day with a bag of crushed up pills, because if she doesnt - she becomes suicidally depressed within hours. The only positive thing about the damages cause by Ecstacy, is that we have other anti-depressants and pharmaceuticals that CAN counteract *some* of the permanent effects (I.E. depression), but only if you want to take them for the rest of your life.

And that article? I don't see the point. They all said it was life changing, and like they felt empathetic for the first time in their lives - which is true. While the drug lasts, anyway. Its heaven for a couple hours, and hell when you lose the feeling. Which is why its so dangerous - people crave the INSTANT feelings of affection, love, acceptance, and happiness they get on the drug, but when its gone...it feels like a part of you died. And so you take more and more.

And, the only reason those people on Ibiza were so happy, is because any interaction you had with the e-tards was while they were still rolling (being high on E=rolling), so of course they appear normal. But just wait until the effects wear off, you will see an entirely different person.

Best drug I ever tried, and my wife agrees. You want someone to say it helped them? Alright. It saved me and my wife from divorce. We never communicated well with each other in eight years. We had some bad fights. We were filing for divorce when we tried it for the first time. Because of X's effect of making you love everybody, we began finally to "really" communicate. Our troubles stopped. We are still together. That was ten years ago. No, we don't use it anymore, and haven't for about nine years. Would I again? Sure.

When I hear that I am reminded of the bullshit campaign that the partnership for anti-drug and boring life for america is running.

You know, the one that shows all the people dying of it.

I've never personally taken the drug, or any to that matter, (Im a drinker, old fashioned I suppose)

but I work raves and clubs for several years for GlobalAdrenaline.net in chicago.

People on "e" or "x" or whatever you call it, are extremely laid back, I've never seen any fight with people on it.

I've never seen proof of anyone dying of it's use. 75% of the deaths that are reported to be caused by "X" is really due to impure drugs or people passing off more potent drugs off as "X".

The other 24.999% is from over heating. "X" causes your body's temperature to rise to well over 100 degrees, combine that with hot sweaty clubs, and lots of areobic activity (dancing) and the user very quickly warms to the point of overheating and that's when damage is done to the body.

Clubs need to having "cooling rooms" and lounge areas if the management knows that "x" is common in their establishment.


Also, another thing that pisses me off about the whole "x" issue, is the stupid laws brought into effect becuase of it. Such as the anti-rave law in chicago, which basically states if you have a group of 25 or more people AND A DJ. it's illegal, you can play jazz, or have a bunch of heavy metal bands, but have a DJ, and it's illegal.

I believe it was Florida or New Orleans that banned glowsticks and pacifiers and declared them drug parafanalia. That's just retarded. Lets start banning tye-dyed shirts at reggae concerts too.

Then the authories start arresting club owners under the "crack-house" laws, which were created to stop landlords from not evicting drug dealers becuase they were usually getting paid off.

But they never arrested the promoters of greatful dead shows.

The hyprocricy is crazy.

Then in some states, cops are being taught to look for club goers that have bottle water as a sign of drug use, nevermind that fact that clubs are usually 95-100 degrees and people need to hydrate themselfs.

Sorry if this rant went on a bit too long, but I have been personally effected by the ignorant stance of congress and law enforcement on this issue.

And it doesnt help that antidrug groups like to distribute massive disinformation.

They dont tell you that all X does is release extra seritonin from your brain which causes your brain to lose it's knowledge of boundries of itself and other objects (which is why people on x love to touch things and hug so much). And while it can cause brain damage, if you use it too much, I firmly believe that if a person does X less that once a month (the time it takes for the brain to re-absorb the seritonin) that there will be little to no long term damage.

Now, I'm not a doctor, but I do read a lot about this stuff, and I'm certainly not out here saying "legalize everything" but our country's ideas of the drug war is just wrong. Treatment not prosicution is the answer.

For you history buffs: name any society in the history of the earth that didn't have a substance abuse problem.

Yeah didn't think so....some people just want to get high, and that will always be the case, so instead of having to build more jails and spend my hard earned money on incarcerating non-violent drug offender lets treat them.

If the cops are right and 50-75% of all crime is usually drug related, making treatment and the drugs easily will eliminate most crime right?

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Sorry for that rant, again it's just something I feel strongly about, and Ive never even used any drugs!

The campaign against X take the case though,since x (MDMA) was legal less than 20 years ago for psycholigists.


Anyways,

Peace.
Respect.

Chris

To each his own!

Although I'm sure you will answer contrarily, I bet your friend has attmepted suicide waay before she became a drug user. Some things are easily explained away by drug effets or after effects. Low confidence and morale as well as other problems are what your friend has.

Obviously you have never been. There's tons of people who don't use E anymore well into their 30's, 40's and even 50's just relaxing and enjoying themselves in Ibiza. All well adjusted and healthy.

doesnt it eat holes in your brain?
if so ill go get 10lbs tonight

Never tried them before.

depression/suicide

Take it every couple of weeks.

Hasn't done me any harm so far. The main club's we go to, just about everyone takes at least 1 pill.

Makes the clubbing experience all the better. I'm still young, this is the year's when i'm supposed to enjoy shit.


So people here are getting too excited when it comes to just mentioning it...

Do you ever drink ??

That kill's....

It really is a bad drug ... i tried it in my teenage years ... regret it to this day..

Why though ??

Was is wrong now that was caused by using it ??

hehe, i love drug threads, it is the same arguement from both sides in EVERY thread...never ANYTHING new

just fun reading though!

How long dows the buzz last for? Are you able to drive?

Depends on what kind it is.

Some last for hours, some only last a short time.


You shouldn't really drive no...

Of course this is one of the problems. Real X would be the same everytime...

If you havent tried it, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

End of story.

Pussy.

XTC is fucking good. All pussies say it's bad 'cause they're scared to try it. Just try it once and you'll see it's not that bad.

It was fun for the first month and then it got lame.

I think I like you.

I haven't taken "X" since 1989, and I have no desire to (which is why I tend to question the "Ohmygodit'sosaddictiveyou'llDIEDIEDIE" disinformation). I think I probably tried it about five times. The first three were thoroughly enjoyable; the last two had some unpleasant side-effects. I figure that's about the time fake or adulterated X started playing into the mix.

There is no way I would take anything called "Ecstacy" today. Even when I was a stupid teenager, I insisted on knowing that my drugs were pure. Unless you have a means of testing what you buy, please, people, don't do it. MDMA can give you an amazing high and probably won't fuck you up. But for the most part you have NO way of knowing what you're buying.

Generally speaking, drug dealers aren't the nicest people on the planet. I don't care if it is your sister's husband's brother's cousin's frat brother - he does not give a shit about you.

I don't endorse this site but I think it's relatively informative and unbiased: www.dancesafe.org

Eat, drink, smoke, swallow, and be merry, but don't die from ignorance. Please

Probably.

You only have to read some of the comment's made here to see that...

some info on it could be mind-blowing

Spinal Fluid don't come back! Once it's lost it's gone!!! In 40 years you'll see a fuckload of people running around with hunched ass backs, and you'll be like "Club Hopper!!!!"

Drugs can kill you

Not all drugs kills. Plus you'd have to take an OD if you want to die from drugs.

Did you know you'd have to smoke like 100 joints (marihuana) in just one day to have a chance to die from it?

stupid and naive people not giving a damn for health and their lives...

It's true... ignorance is bliss!

in 96-97 i was very much into the club scene. Dj-ing a few nights a month, partying a few nights a week. I used to take E probally 2 times a week for a year until one night at the tunnel in nyc in oct of 97 i passed out from a heart arrythymia due to what doctors called large doses of mdma exposeure which was only 2 pills. I woke up in an ambulance with some emt holding chest paddles (he was just about to use them) and i had all types of needles in my arm. If that wasnt bad enough, after I was released from the hospital, I was litterally stuck in a huge panic attack for about 3 months straight and was litterally reduced to an infantile state and had to be cared for by family members on a daily basis. It took about 5 years for it to clear up to about 99% wellness. I currently have panic attacks about 3 times a year due to residual effects of exstacy. On the lighter side it was a defining moment in my life. I havent touched any kind of drugs since 97 besides a few beers a month, so I think it turned out for the best.
But anyone who says exstacy doest cause damage to your brain is obviously in denial and misinformed.
Cheers
DS

Nasty shit Duke.


But to the other's who are saying "yeah but you'll see how bad it is in 40 years time" yeah, so what ?

I could get hit & killed with a bus tomorrow.

Right now i am having the best time going out with people, getting trashed, have been doing so for the last few year's, and will be in the next few year's also.


Live for the moment...

If someone educates themselves on the potential risks and makes an informed decision that taking a particular drug is what they want to do, all the power to them.

What he said.

Ecstasy is just like any street drug. While the drug itself hasn't been found in any studys yet to cause long term problems. It is produced and distributed in conditions that match street drugs. It can and is very often cut with things that are VERY DANGEROUS! If you are gonna do it, test it. There is a reason why there are e testing kits. For info on the drug and testing see:

http://www.dancesafe.org

Also ABC did a show on it a couple weeks ago called "Ecstasy Rising" it's an hour long and gives a fairly good impartial view of the drug, it's history and where it sits in todays culture. If you want a copy of it icq me and I'll send it to you.

Good luck getting real MDMA.