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51 Surrendering EU army guys.
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It really depends on who is attacking who. If anyone attacks us they would lose. All of us are just looking for a reason to shoot our guns. Having some foreign country come over here on boats and planes dropping from parachutes would be like a gift certificate to the gun range for every American.I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
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bullshit, tell that to arabs, not hereOriginally posted by papichulo
Israel's army can SMOKE all of EU's army (even the eastern euro former commie ones). When it comes to military skillz, Don't fuck with Israel.
Israel is a small country with increased military numbers for their population and that's all. Greece military expenses if you include the secret budget match the Israel's one and we have 1mil more manpower. Army is obligatory here too. Now look a small comparison between Israel, Germany and UK which are way bigger countries.
ISRAEL
males age 15-49: 1,562,716
note: both sexes are liable for military service (2003 est.)
Military expenditures - dollar figure:
$8.97 billion (FY02)
now look at UK
Military manpower - availability:
males age 15-49: 14,877,666 (2003 est.)
Military expenditures - dollar figure:
$31.7 billion (2002)
GERMANY
Military manpower - availability:
males age 15-49: 20,509,838 (2003 est.)
Military expenditures - dollar figure:
$38.8 billion (2002)
War is not a Rambo episode. Having higher military skillz as you say and if that's in reality valid won't match such differences.Comment
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If you placed the two armies ready on a battleground, all other things being equal, the European army should win. That is one of the reasons why some EU countries, notably France and Germany, are not wholly enthusiastic about NATO and the special influence the US has in that organisation.
But in a (non-nuclear war) presumably ranging back and forth between the US and Europe, the US would have an advantage. Few European countries have forces that are intended to fight (far) outside their own territories, whereas the US military is planned largely on the assumption that it will be fighting overseas. Going up against Europe, the US would be handicapped in that many of its jump-off points are in Europe, but still it should be better placed to attack Europe than vice versa.
Of course if the conflict moved from bombing to invasion, then a lot would depend on the reaction of the population. That's largely an unknown as Americans haven't fought at home since the Civil War and few Europeans of combat age have personal experience of war either. I tend towards believing Europeans would bear up better, but really, who knows...Comment
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UK and France both have armies that are deployed all over the world.Originally posted by jayeff
Few European countries have forces that are intended to fight (far) outside their own territories, whereas the US military is planned largely on the assumption that it will be fighting overseas.Alea iacta estComment
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the sure thing with EU is that their leaders would never agree on which tactic to follow
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sad to admit the USA would win easily
the USA spends $350 billion a year on defence, compared to $35 billion in the UK, and $350 billion is what the next 10 big military powers spend in total
it's all about the money
and carriers:
the USA has 7 carrier battle groups, each with 100+ combat aircraft... the UK has 3 tiny aircraft carriers and I think France just has 1
but we are all great friends and do alot of business together
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A look at Bowling For Columbine should give a good indication of what to expect should there ever be an invasion. A look at Boyz In Da Hood should also be required for any potential invaders.
Rappers would be a secret weapon.I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
Webair, bitches.Comment
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you guys are all fucked up in the head, if there would be a war, no one will win it because the whole population will fight against the invaders....that will happen if the EU goes into the US and vice versa...
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The US spend alot yes, but combine all European countries and you'll see that the figure will not be so far behind the US.Originally posted by Hal
sad to admit the USA would win easily
the USA spends $350 billion a year on defence, compared to $35 billion in the UK, and $350 billion is what the next 10 big military powers spend in total
it's all about the money
and carriers:
the USA has 7 carrier battle groups, each with 100+ combat aircraft... the UK has 3 tiny aircraft carriers and I think France just has 1
but we are all great friends and do alot of business together
As for the carriers, they would be sunk pretty fast on both sides, so I doubt it would matter.
I think alot of the modern weponry would be useless pretty fast since I'm sure both the US and Europe would destroy every military satellite pretty fast.Alea iacta estComment
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True.Originally posted by Hal
the USA spends $350 billion a year on defence, compared to $35 billion in the UK, and $350 billion is what the next 10 big military powers spend in total
However, the EU can easily match US defense spending due to the budget of the EU countries being alot larger than the US budget.Comment
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Right.Originally posted by papichulo
Israel's army can SMOKE all of EU's army (even the eastern euro former commie ones). When it comes to military skillz, Don't fuck with Israel.
The EU is not a small group of Arab nations with army technology dating from the 19th century.
Israel definitely has an advanced army but its way too small to be a serious threat.Comment
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eh... dont forget the eh, eh, great czech army...
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If Israel tried anything hostile against a major worldpower, the Mediterranean Sea would become 20770 sq km larger.Alea iacta estComment
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wtf? where are you from? all eastern euro former commie countries actually dont havy any army that would be able to fight anywhere on this planet.. the dont have enought money to build a powerfull army at this time. maybe in africa they can fight, somewhere..Originally posted by papichulo
Israel's army can SMOKE all of EU's army (even the eastern euro former commie ones). When it comes to military skillz, Don't fuck with Israel.
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See, this is the edge that EU / US have over China. China doesn't have too many satellites up. Not as much as the EU and US at least.Originally posted by milambur
I think alot of the modern weponry would be useless pretty fast since I'm sure both the US and Europe would destroy every military satellite pretty fast.Comment
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But soon they will have about 10 million elite hackers who can take over our sats at will.
I'm not kidding. If anyone thought the russian hackers were bad just wait a few years and see what happens.I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
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Military spenditure for the EU is in the range $200 - $250 Billion, US is about $300 - $350 Billion and China about $50 - 100 Billion.Alea iacta estComment
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I hope it won't get that far!Comment
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Originally posted by Hal
sad to admit the USA would win easily
the USA spends $350 billion a year on defence, compared to $35 billion in the UK, and $350 billion is what the next 10 big military powers spend in total
I don't think that figure is relevant. The dollar is an imaginary value. What you would pay to build a tank in China is a whole lot less than what you would pay to build a tank in the USA, but the end product is similar
All that is important is the final total of manpower and equipment.
China is not far behind us in tech, and outnumbers us 3 to 1.
We cannot let some idiot president piss these people off.
I've been been trying to find a good source of info detailing how much of what they've got compared to us .. this is the most comprehensive inventory I've found: (but unoffical) http://www.sinodefence.com/
In general, I think most Americans severely underestimate foriegn powers. To our peril.
We do need the EU, and we must make sure China sides with us instead of the (inevitable) United Islamic Nations.Comment
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I don't think the relevant measure is $$$ spent but FIERCENESS and HEART of the troops.Comment
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That's what we said about the former USSR, until they became the first "supposedly backward" country to launch a satallite in sapce(sputnik). By then, we were playing catch up (we eventually did and surpass them).Originally posted by papichulo
See, this is the edge that EU / US have over China. China doesn't have too many satellites up. Not as much as the EU and US at least.
As CamChick had pointed out, China had been sending more and more satallite into orbit. As for scientific personel, they're catching up.
As for worrying about our current prez irritating China. Don't worry, the Bushes have closer relationship with China than any other powerful political families to date.I sale cheap sigwhoreComment
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one word.Originally posted by T[H]C
All i have to say is the US air and navel power would reduce china to rubble before they even saw a US soldier.
nuke.Comment
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I can tell you one thing. USD$50 Billion can buy a lot more in China than it can in the U.S. -- So long as you're chinese :-)Originally posted by milambur
Military spenditure for the EU is in the range $200 - $250 Billion, US is about $300 - $350 Billion and China about $50 - 100 Billion.Comment
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Originally posted by papichulo
I don't think the relevant measure is $$$ spent but FIERCENESS and HEART of the troops.
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Originally posted by papichulo
I don't think the relevant measure is $$$ spent but FIERCENESS and HEART of the troops.
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Besides aborigines, who have australians conquered?Originally posted by Joe Citizen
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I could say the same about your life.Originally posted by Wildcard
what a fucking stupid thread.
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Australians have conquered nobody and this is a good thing. I want to live in peace with our neighbours.Originally posted by papichulo
Besides aborigines, who have australians conquered?
By the way genius, it was the English the conquered (murdered)the aborigines. Australia wasn't a nation before 1901.Last edited by Joe Citizen; 04-28-2004, 03:08 AM.Comment
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What a childish comeback. You don't even fucking know me. Grow up, kid.Originally posted by papichulo
I could say the same about your life.Comment
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China is not a Naval power...thus cannot project its military forces.Originally posted by CamChicks
If the rest of the world turned against the USA, the USA would be fucked.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/mil_wea_hol
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/mil_arm_for_per
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/...va_mal_age_154
IMHO China could take us if Europe didn't assist us. They have almost as much weaponry, with twice the armed forces, and three times the available manpower; growing rapidly every year. Throw in N.Korea and we don't stand a chance.
EU + Russia could fuck us up too. But that's less politically likely.
Of course, nukes still gaurantee Mutually Assured Destruction.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Originally posted by tbabe
i dont know, its not doing a great job in iraq. But certainly france would surrender.
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one might ask, who has the british empire conquered besides aborigines?Originally posted by papichulo
Besides aborigines, who have australians conquered?Comment
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Australian parasites. Not exactly known as a major power.Originally posted by slackologist
one might ask, who has the british empire conquered besides aborigines?Comment
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Are you are fucking retard?Originally posted by papichulo
Australian parasites. Not exactly known as a major power.
Do ya think it could have something to do with population, shitstain?Comment
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The question did not specify where the fighting would take place. If US history repeats itself, we would more likely be invading them over some fake drama. And we'd get beaten back hard.Originally posted by theking
China is not a Naval power...thus cannot project its military forces.
They do have a large defensive navy (plus a lot of nuclear subs), just not the floating cities / aircraft carriers we routinely use. Those are only necessary if you're planning to invade other countires.
IMO no nuclear power will ever wage a fullscale war with another nuclear power, unless by accident.
But it should still be made known that we do not have unchallenged powers to go wherever we want. Our last few 'wars' have been misleading in that regard.
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well france woulnt be a factor in it thats for sureComment
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Nice insult there troll.. but yeah anyway .. Australia has a minor population, hence less tax to draw on for spending on defence..Originally posted by papichulo
Australian parasites. Not exactly known as a major power.Comment
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You seem to know allot about Military stuff for a chickOriginally posted by CamChicks
The question did not specify where the fighting would take place. If US history repeats itself, we would more likely be invading them over some fake drama. And we'd get beaten back hard.
They do have a large defensive navy (plus a lot of nuclear subs), just not the floating cities / aircraft carriers we routinely use. Those are only necessary if you're planning to invade other countires.
IMO no nuclear power will ever wage a fullscale war with another nuclear power, unless by accident. But it should still be made known that we do not have unchallenged powers to go wherever we want. Our last few 'wars' have been misleading in that regard.
Here's world military spending
http://www.cdi.org/budget/2004/world...y-spending.cfm
China is also pushing Europe to lift the Arms embargo so they can buy more high tech weapons and tech transfers. Imagine what will happen if they got a copy of the Euro Fighter and started mass producing.
http://www.contumacy.org/bbs/index.p...mes;read=26893
http://www.euobserver.com/index.phtml?sid=13&aid=14196
They also got their first batch of SU30MKK from Russia.
http://www.kanwa.com/edaily.htm
China more than doubling budgeted military spending this year
http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040423060406.hm15bwqn.html
China's official defense budget in 2004 is more than 25 billion dollars.
But when off-budget funding for foreign weapons system imports is included, total defense-related expenditures this year should soar to between 50 and 70 billion dollars, said Richard Lawless, the deputy undersecretary of defence.
Of course they will never do this cause they don't want to look hostile. They just want to make money
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Your right, China will only invade Taiwan.Originally posted by theking
China is not a Naval power...thus cannot project its military forces.
China Eyes Ukrainian Slava-Class Cruiser
Ukrainian Defense Minster Oleksandr Olinyk announced March 2 that the Slava-class cruiser Ukraina will be offered for sale on the international market. He said China most likely will be the buyer of the warship, which, despite lengthy construction delays, is 96 percent complete.
China is in the midst of procuring large, multipurpose surface combatants from Russia, such as the Sovremenny-class destroyers, while also building new units of the Lanzhou- and Guangzhou-class destroyers in order to improve the sea service?s air defense, surface strike and antisubmarine warfare capabilities. The Slava-class cruiser, however, adds the new dimension of long-range surface-strike capability with 16 P-500 Bazalt surface-to-surface missiles with a range of 297 nautical miles.
This capability would give the Chinese Navy a standoff capability against large air-capable combatants such as aircraft carriers, amphibious ships and other large surface combatants.
If China accepts the cruiser as is, it likely will transfer the vessel to China for completion and outfitting, since it will be able to finish the work at significantly less cost than if completed in the Ukraine. Current estimated value of the Ukraina is $500 million.
http://www.navyleague.org/sea_power/may_04_50.php
They are also building their own stealth ships.
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Originally posted by titmowse
i think alien would kick predator's ass.
You sure about that? We will see this summer.
God this thread is so utterly useless.Comment
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Here's a few more without any stupid tugboats in the way.
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None of you patriotic and argueing idiots realize that a conflict of such dimensions would mean the end of it all. Why do you think the Cold War never escalated? Because people were afraid of just that. And the scale was much smaller than in this hypothetic scenario.
Get your head out of your ass, and get back to work, for fuck's sake.Last edited by Guest; 04-28-2004, 06:38 AM.Comment
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With the advanced weaponry of the US...we could do pre-assaults before ground troops were activated, which would more like take a high number of enemy troops out...not to mention that "if" this war took place, rest assured the draft would be reinstated. FYI...prior to WWII, US standing army was roughly 180,000 troops...and within 1 year of the draft, the new figure was 7.2 million. So technology and #'s are on our side if this stayed a conventional war. Just my
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Originally posted by jimboc
Of course not...
Unless Bush gets re-electected
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Europe that'd be easy
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