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  • Rick Latona
    The Best Ideas Start Here
    • Dec 2002
    • 6037

    #1

    I don't do business with AVN because they wouldn't do business with me because Klixxx

    I don't do business with AVN because they wouldn't do business with me because Klixxx sponsors me. True story.

    They use Microsoftesque monopolistic practices and I won't stand for it. I feel for Duke and Lensman.

    Regards,

    Rick Latona
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  • jojojo
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Mar 2002
    • 2318

    #2
    so what problem do they have with klixxx?
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    • candyflip
      Carpe Visio
      • Jul 2002
      • 43073

      #3
      Originally posted by jojojo
      so what problem do they have with klixxx?
      Could it be that they're in direct competition with each other?

      Spend you some brain.
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      • Rick Latona
        The Best Ideas Start Here
        • Dec 2002
        • 6037

        #4
        Originally posted by jojojo
        so what problem do they have with klixxx?
        They won't allow their logo side by side with Klixxx because they don't want their brand to be viewed as comparable.
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        Rick Latona
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        • WiredGuy
          Pounding Googlebot
          • Aug 2002
          • 34515

          #5
          If AVN truly had a good magazine, they shouldn't feel intimidated to put a competitors logo in their magazine, especially if they're being paid to do it. Good for you Rick.

          WG
          I play with Google.

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          • Manowar
            jellyfish  
            • Dec 2003
            • 71528

            #6
            Originally posted by Rick Latona
            I don't do business with AVN because they wouldn't do business with me because Klixxx sponsors me. True story.

            They use Microsoftesque monopolistic practices and I won't stand for it. I feel for Duke and Lensman.

            Good for you Rick, If their too insecure to been seen with their "rivals" in business, then why do they deserve business - its what its all about

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            • Headless
              Registered User
              • Jan 2001
              • 26727

              #7
              Its nice to see that some ppl still have the gusto in this biz...

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              • angelsofporn
                Confirmed User
                • Mar 2002
                • 3218

                #8
                that is hilarious. What a bunch of fucking idiots...they think they are the mafia or something? too many robert deniro flicks for them i suppose

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                • xclusive
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 35218

                  #9
                  AVN = Bitches

                  I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /


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                  • torrey
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                    • Jan 2004
                    • 1656

                    #10
                    Where else could I apply this 5500 per month??

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                    • Rick Latona
                      The Best Ideas Start Here
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 6037

                      #11
                      Originally posted by torrey
                      Where else could I apply this 5500 per month??
                      Well, you could buy about 55,000 high-quality cliicks with it.
                      Regards,

                      Rick Latona
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                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                        best designer on GFY
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 30307

                        #12
                        I am with you Rick on this.

                        AVN is a poor magazine.

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                        • AMADude
                          Confirmed User
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 3875

                          #13
                          AVN is arrogant and trying to be a monopoly.
                          No sig, just here to fuck around.

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                          • Raven
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                            • Jul 2001
                            • 6874

                            #14
                            This is more than ridiculous.

                            There's room enough for both of them, without getting petty.
                            Raven

                            ~RETIRED~

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                            • Pornwolf
                              Drunk and Unruly
                              • Jan 2002
                              • 22712

                              #15


                              It's really not a good idea for Dinosaurs to be playing games with CJ. It will come back to haunt them shortly.
                              I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

                              Webair, bitches.

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                              • JFK
                                FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                                • Jan 2002
                                • 67369

                                #16
                                Originally posted by torrey
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                                • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                  best designer on GFY
                                  • Mar 2003
                                  • 30307

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by torrey
                                  Where else could I apply this 5500 per month??
                                  When I saw that about a month ago first thing I thought was "Sigh..."

                                  That budget would be better spent on a good Net Campaign for traffic IMHO.

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                                  • stev0
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Aug 2003
                                    • 6801

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                    If AVN truly had a good magazine, they shouldn't feel intimidated to put a competitors logo in their magazine, especially if they're being paid to do it. Good for you Rick.

                                    WG
                                    Yeah, No kidding... Sounds like they have a superiority complex.

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                                    • tbabe
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                                      • Dec 2003
                                      • 2494

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Rick Latona
                                      I don't do business with AVN because they wouldn't do business with me because Klixxx sponsors me. True story.

                                      They use Microsoftesque monopolistic practices and I won't stand for it. I feel for Duke and Lensman.

                                      Fight the power!!!

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                                      • torrey
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                                        • Jan 2004
                                        • 1656

                                        #20
                                        My nets are currently under construction, to be complete with a content store, dvd shop, and paysites.

                                        The Pornslinga you see today is a result of 2 punks who started with NADA, and we are hoping our new website targeted in the adult online commerce sector will be a ccccc-money maker.

                                        I watch folks like Rick Latona from a distance, and take the good I see from industry vets. The overtones of this thread are troubling, in the sense that I chose an AVN print campaign initially.

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                                        • TheFrog
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                                          • Jan 2004
                                          • 4095

                                          #21
                                          nice one rick, dont let them fuck people about

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                                          • Rick Latona
                                            The Best Ideas Start Here
                                            • Dec 2002
                                            • 6037

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by torrey
                                            My nets are currently under construction, to be complete with a content store, dvd shop, and paysites.

                                            The Pornslinga you see today is a result of 2 punks who started with NADA, and we are hoping our new website targeted in the adult online commerce sector will be a ccccc-money maker.

                                            I watch folks like Rick Latona from a distance, and take the good I see from industry vets. The overtones of this thread are troubling, in the sense that I chose an AVN print campaign initially.
                                            There are still reasons to advertise in AVN if they haven't done anything to harm you. Branding opportunities exist.

                                            However, if you are start up you need to be more guerrilla like. I'd go straight to the boards for a more immediate ROI. Keep in mind that only the market leaders have to expand the market to grow. Everyone else must take from the market leader. Go for the quick traffic.
                                            Last edited by Rick Latona; 04-26-2004, 10:16 AM.
                                            Regards,

                                            Rick Latona
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                                            • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                              best designer on GFY
                                              • Mar 2003
                                              • 30307

                                              #23
                                              The net is literally destroying publications, the net will destory AVN to.

                                              Just give it time.
                                              When video producers realise that Print ad campaigns are a waste in a budget it will be over.

                                              Not many video producers really understand how to use the net but as they step up and another generation of video producers come into play with more tech savey producers it all will be a very very different landscape concerning advertising.

                                              Honest opinion
                                              5K for traffic to a commerce destination selling media is better spent.

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                                              • SleazyDream
                                                I'm here for SPORT
                                                • Jul 2001
                                                • 41470

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Rick Latona
                                                There are still reasons to advertise in AVN if they haven't done anything to harm you. Branding opportunities exist.

                                                wrong, there are none for me now. If Rick says stay away from AVN, I don't do business with them.
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                                                • Pornwolf
                                                  Drunk and Unruly
                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                  • 22712

                                                  #25
                                                  $5k spent on the net will make you $25 to $50k if you have something fresh to offer. I understand the massaging distributor aspect of ads in the trades. The net hasn't been able to replace that yet.


                                                  Wasn't Lens working on something to fix that distribution problem?
                                                  I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

                                                  Webair, bitches.

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                                                  • SykkBoy2
                                                    Jesus loves bacon
                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                    • 19969

                                                    #26
                                                    My problems with AVN started when they started putting in nude photoshoots. Not that I mind that, but I'd expect it from Hustler and Playboy, but if I'm reading AVN, I want news and industry issues, not TnA. It just made everything seem less professional.
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                                                    • Kimmykim
                                                      bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                      • 16015

                                                      #27
                                                      The biggest thing that AVN has going for them is the trade shows, they leverage those into bigger advertising deals on their print and online mediums.

                                                      Can't say as I blame them tho, that's just how business is done.

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                                                      • GTS Mark
                                                        Vrume Mark
                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                        • 20912

                                                        #28
                                                        Hehe sounds like prices at AVN are going to stop dropping, might be a good time to buy some advertising

                                                        DH

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                                                        • Broda
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                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                          • 1874

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Rick Latona
                                                          I don't do business with AVN because they wouldn't do business with me because Klixxx sponsors me. True story.

                                                          They use Microsoftesque monopolistic practices and I won't stand for it. I feel for Duke and Lensman.

                                                          I don't do business with AVN and I don't bite. So you can do business with me
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                                                          • MetaformX
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                                                            • Mar 2002
                                                            • 6704

                                                            #30
                                                            I have subscribed to AVN several times now, I have yet to recieve an issue...

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                                                            • brand0n
                                                              been very busy
                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                              • 26983

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                              wrong, there are none for me now. If Rick says stay away from AVN, I don't do business with them.
                                                              if Rick says to go jump off a bridge, would you go jump?
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                                                              • Rick Latona
                                                                The Best Ideas Start Here
                                                                • Dec 2002
                                                                • 6037

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by brand0n
                                                                if Rick says to go jump off a bridge, would you go jump?
                                                                Would you?
                                                                Regards,

                                                                Rick Latona
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                                                                • TheGoldenChild
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                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                  • 6940

                                                                  #33
                                                                  If JB told you to jump off a bridge would you Rick?

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                                                                  • Mike AI
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                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                    • 3624

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Finally something we agree on.

                                                                    AVN is no friend of this business. They are only concerned with helping their old school video companies get more business on the web.

                                                                    AVN is one of the adult webmaster's worst enemies!


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                                                                    • Rick Latona
                                                                      The Best Ideas Start Here
                                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                                      • 6037

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by kBizzle
                                                                      If JB told you to jump off a bridge would you Rick?
                                                                      If I shoved my foot up your ass could you feel it?
                                                                      Regards,

                                                                      Rick Latona
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                                                                      • Rick Latona
                                                                        The Best Ideas Start Here
                                                                        • Dec 2002
                                                                        • 6037

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Mike AI
                                                                        Finally something we agree on.

                                                                        AVN is no friend of this business. They are only concerned with helping their old school video companies get more business on the web.

                                                                        AVN is one of the adult webmaster's worst enemies!
                                                                        Here here. *bangs on table* Besides, it's just a big collection of press releases anyway. At least Klixxx hahahahahas about stuff.
                                                                        Regards,

                                                                        Rick Latona
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                                                                        • sextoyking
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                                                                          • Dec 2001
                                                                          • 6034

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Kb,

                                                                          I give much love to JB, nothing wrong there
                                                                          ----------

                                                                          Mikeai,

                                                                          yeh AVN is ok you know, I like the reg trade mag and the avn online mag too.

                                                                          Avn is for web ppl also, but mostly for the retail store owner, distributors, etc. They have had to expand with web sections, etc over the years.

                                                                          I read through a bit, then skip to the top 10-100 dvd's selling, new products for the toy stores, etc.
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                                                                          • kush
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                                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                                            • 3382

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                            If AVN truly had a good magazine, they shouldn't feel intimidated to put a competitors logo in their magazine, especially if they're being paid to do it. Good for you Rick.

                                                                            WG
                                                                            But on that thought, if they feel they do not want to be associated with a certain competitor, they have every right to refuse service.

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                                                                            • TheGoldenChild
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                              • 6940

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by sextoyking
                                                                              Kb,

                                                                              I give much love to JB, nothing wrong there
                                                                              ----------

                                                                              Mikeai,

                                                                              yeh AVN is ok you know, I like the reg trade mag and the avn online mag too.

                                                                              Avn is for web ppl also, but mostly for the retail store owner, distributors, etc. They have had to expand with web sections, etc over the years.

                                                                              I read through a bit, then skip to the top 10-100 dvd's selling, new products for the toy stores, etc.
                                                                              I don't think you guys noted the sarcasm by my statement-

                                                                              Rick at least didn't- I am not choosing sides here, both magazines offer something for webmasters...

                                                                              I just recall seeing Rick at every AVN show I go...If AVN were so bad for business why would you continually go to the shows? Are you saying the shows are cool and the magazine sucks?

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                                                                              • sextoyking
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                                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                                • 6034

                                                                                #40
                                                                                KB,

                                                                                fix your sig dammit!!!
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                                                                                • SleazyDream
                                                                                  I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                  • 41470

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by brand0n
                                                                                  if Rick says to go jump off a bridge, would you go jump?

                                                                                  yep - cause i know he'd have a parachute or bungee cord attached to me and it would be a blast
                                                                                  This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                  Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                  • TheGoldenChild
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                                                                                    • May 2002
                                                                                    • 6940

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    it made you look Todd-

                                                                                    At first I thought it looked real amateur and not fixing it would make me look lazy-

                                                                                    But it's quite the opposite..instead I am getting a ton of clicks getting people to check uot the FEEDS!

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                                                                                    • TheGoldenChild
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • May 2002
                                                                                      • 6940

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by kBizzle
                                                                                      it made you look Todd-

                                                                                      At first I thought it looked real amateur and not fixing it would make me look lazy-

                                                                                      But it's quite the opposite..instead I am getting a ton of clicks getting people to check out the FEEDS!

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                                                                                      • sextoyking
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                                                                                        • Dec 2001
                                                                                        • 6034

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Good marketing there KB

                                                                                        I did click on the link, nice looking site there..
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                                                                                        • TheGoldenChild
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                                                                                          • May 2002
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by sextoyking
                                                                                          Good marketing there KB

                                                                                          I did click on the link, nice looking site there..
                                                                                          It's a silly marketing move...one you'd think was made up on the spot even when called upon the carpet however

                                                                                          the link works

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                                                                                          • makefuckingmoney
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                            • 3277

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            I have yet to read AVN or Klixxx

                                                                                            I dont feel like I have missed out on anything!

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                                                                                            • jonesy
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                                                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                                                              • 6688

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                              The net is literally destroying publications, the net will destory AVN to. Just give it time.
                                                                                              When video producers realise that Print ad campaigns are a waste in a budget it will be over.
                                                                                              an ad in AVN or another adult industry mag IS a waste of time.
                                                                                              but i disagree with ya on the mainstream magazine part.
                                                                                              this was being said years ago.
                                                                                              hasnt happend yet.
                                                                                              maybe in ten to 15 yrs.
                                                                                              people still like looking through magazines.

                                                                                              Playboy and penthouse took hits.
                                                                                              theyre old school and werent in touch with the younger generations.

                                                                                              maxim, fhm, and a slew of others were launched when most people thought it was crazy because of the the Internet and the "free access" to pics, porn and the like.

                                                                                              those mags outsell playboy and penthouse and are the top selling mags in the industry.

                                                                                              take an ad in maxim, fhm or another magazine like these.

                                                                                              i guarantee the traffic/sign up ratio will blow doors on most online marketers.

                                                                                              i worked for a company that placed and ad for an online casino and the traffic/sign up ratio was insane.

                                                                                              a personal site of mine was mentioned in spin magzine regarding a crank phone call. trafffic was nuts man.

                                                                                              hell, even being mentioned on radio generates healthy traffic as well.
                                                                                              .
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                                                                                              • GonZo
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                                                                                                • Jul 2002
                                                                                                • 3180

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Kimmykim
                                                                                                The biggest thing that AVN has going for them is the trade shows, they leverage those into bigger advertising deals on their print and online mediums.

                                                                                                Can't say as I blame them tho, that's just how business is done.
                                                                                                AVN and their porn royalty mentality.
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                                                                                                • Penrod
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                                                                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                                                                  • 3580

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by kBizzle
                                                                                                  It's a silly marketing move...one you'd think was made up on the spot even when called upon the carpet however

                                                                                                  the link works
                                                                                                  That shit don't work for me bitch.

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                                                                                                  • SteveLightspeed
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                                                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                                                    • 7940

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    We have advertised in both AVNonline and Klixxx, and I feel our money was better spent with Klixxx.

                                                                                                    I'm sure there is a lot of pressure on AVN to please everyone, but I have been personally disappointed with various broken promises and lack of support.

                                                                                                    Klixxx on the other hand has gone the extra mile to endear themselves to the adult internet community, and their support of Lightspeedcash is truly appreciated.

                                                                                                    Steve Lightspeed
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