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04-24-2004, 01:18 PM

Ravishment as mentioned by Honeyslut is common in romance novels
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Ravishment is not RAPE!

You tell me why is it ok to fantasize about raping someone but raping a 5 year old is wrong. Please explain so I understand exactly where you are coming from. I actually know why both are wrong, I just want you to say it out loud so you migh actually understand why I'm asking.
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04-24-2004, 01:19 PM

does art imitate life or does life imitate art?

i remember back in the eighties the actress stephanie kramer got rave reviews for her performance of a rape victim in the series hunter. the "rape" episode is an old favorite for television drama.

as i recall, kramer quit the show partly because they had her character raped a second time and were about to w r i t e a third.

is rape prevalent on television and in the movies because such stories are universally understood? because it sells soap?

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04-24-2004, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by BigG

Ravishment is not RAPE!

Had you been following the thread instead of coming up with "go fuck a 5 year old" you would have noticed I have already admitted by ignorance of the term ravishment.

I now am using the term ravishment instead.

now tell us why ravishment fantasy is wrong.

and PLEASE leave out your kid fucking references.

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04-24-2004, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
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America craves and desires rape fantasy.
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let us not forget how society, the DOC, and the criminal justice system knows about, and congress keeps passing laws that put people in prison (sometimes for very tame non-violent shit) where we KNOW a large % of people get raped...yet we turn a blind eye and even 'joke' about it ... also in mainstream settings...

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04-24-2004, 01:24 PM

I now am using the term ravishment instead.

now tell us why ravishment fantasy is wrong.
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Ravishment is consentual and there is nothing wrong with it.

Why don't you answer my question???
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04-24-2004, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by TheJimmy
let us not forget how society, the DOC, and the criminal justice system knows about, and congress keeps passing laws that put people in prison (sometimes for very tame non-violent shit) where we KNOW a large % of people get raped...yet we turn a blind eye and even 'joke' about it ... also in mainstream settings...

Good point. I hadn't thought of that.

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04-24-2004, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Ai gree, but the only term I know is "Rape Fantasy" lets call it "Consentual Force" hahah

either way the girls involved clearly are paid actors, NOT BEING HURT or harmed and its no different than any other fantasy.

Im not saying they actually fantasize about being *raped* like by a fucking criminal, im talking about adults and sexual fantasies.

if this fantasy was not big, there would not be so many rape stories pased around online, women love the thought, NOT BY A CRIMINAL, but in a sexual fantasy role.

there is NO harm in that.

I believe you and I agree....there's something about being consensually 'rced'....that is so yummy .......

Unfortunately...the word 'rape' is used. That's the red flag, whether or not the models consent or not.

It's a shame, really, because the fantasy itself is harmless and sexually healthy. I say that with the understanding that the criminal code version is not part of the fantasy and there really is consent involved, no blood, no knives, etc.

But, the word itself conjures up the ugliest of scenarios and I believe it's the reason for the reaction.

Someone come up with an enticing, sexually attractive word that implies consent, doesn't use the word rape and is marketable.

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04-24-2004, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by BigG
I now am using the term ravishment instead.

now tell us why ravishment fantasy is wrong.
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Ravishment is consentual and there is nothing wrong with it.

Why don't you answer my question???

Okay lets see...one involves two consenting adults playing...the other involves two people and only one of them is adult and able to give consent.
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04-24-2004, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by Elli
He has a point. A very offensive point, but a point nonetheless.

Where do you draw the line about what is acceptable for a person to fantasize about?

Hitting a woman?
Forcibly having sex with her?
Tearing her up a bit?
Seducing a schoolgirl?
etc etc

Society's tolerance levels are changeable to some degree.

Note: No, I do not think sex with children is acceptable. I am merely pointing out that this issue needs to take a good hard look at how and why exactly we decide one thing is acceptable and the other not.

The question arises, then...if the fantasy is never carried out and remains a fantasy, where is the harm or the illegality?

There are people who have fantasies which are not publicly acceptable; but, if no criminal code is bent or broken, then no harm, no foul.

That is not to say that wanting to have sex with a child or forcing a woman to have sex at gunpoint isn't unhealthy. It is.

But, if the fantasy never becomes a reality....?

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04-24-2004, 01:38 PM

Okay lets see...one involves two consenting adults playing...the other involves two people and only one of them is adult and able to give consent.
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Hey Corncob, Rape does not involve two consenting adults. THINK ABOUT IT!

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04-24-2004, 01:43 PM

BigG... see that little text link top right above everyone's posts that says QUOTE?

click that, and it will automatically quote the person's text... and you can even click preview to make sure you don't fuck it up before you hit submit...

because this fucking ------- method isn't helping your posts become any more intelligent and comprehensible.

If you want people to listen to you learn how to at least make fucking sense with your posts.
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04-24-2004, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by BigG
Okay lets see...one involves two consenting adults playing...the other involves two people and only one of them is adult and able to give consent.
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Hey Corncob, Rape does not involve two consenting adults. THINK ABOUT IT!

Are you reading this thread?

Who the fuck isn't reading this thread? We are talking about the FANTASY....not the actual criminal act.
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04-24-2004, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by BigG
I now am using the term ravishment instead.

now tell us why ravishment fantasy is wrong.
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Ravishment is consentual and there is nothing wrong with it.

Why don't you answer my question???

I have known this the entire thread.

Its YOU who have constantly accused me of advocating rape against women, when the whole time I am talking about consentual ravishment fantasies.

As discussed HERE, which you didnt look at but would rather say I fantasize about kids.

http://www.leathernroses.com/general...efantasies.htm

its pretty clear if youd read.

"Rape is a terrible crime that has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with someone using sex as a means of attaining personal power through subjugation of another person. It is a power play by someone who probably feels they have no personal power, so they use rape as a means to feel powerful. It is a horrible act that is devestating to the victim, be it a man or a woman. Interestingly, rape remains a rather common fantasy among women. I am not saying that women who think or fantasize about rape, truly wish to experience a real rape. Usually these women prefer to be overpowered, feel helpless, and in some way this scenario removes from them any responsibility for enjoying the sexual acts which are "forced" upon them. But they desire it in a safe manner. With someone who they KNOW will not truly injure them.
These fantasies play a part in BDSM. To many it is considered one of the darker sides of BDSM. Many people enact these consensual rape fantasies with their partners, and I have been involved in discussions about them. One group of people I have discussed this with chose to call these fantasies "ravishment's" because the word rape has a well deserved reputation of violence.

For some the enacting of a rape fantasy is a way to regain power in themselves that they lost due to a rape or molestation in their pasts. (not a treatment I would recommend but it is one I can understand) For others the helplessness and "overpowering" of the male over the female in such a scene is the major turn on. While knowing that at all times, they are actually safe from any real harm. It can be a very releasing scene to do. It is a very tricky scene as well and not something that should be done without careful planning and a lot of discussion before hand. It is a role play scene, like teacher/student, daddy/daughter, or boss/employee. But a rape fantasy has specific instances all it's own. For example for it to feel real the people involved must play their roles correctly, while watching closely for signs that the scene is going bad."

yet somewhow after 3 pages, you still think I am actually condoning the actual fantasy of raping women when I have stated otherwise THE ENTIRE TIME.

its YOU who were confused not me guy.

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04-24-2004, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by BigG

Are you reading this thread?

are you?

I dont think you are because I SPECIFICALLY stated, FANTASy between CONSENTUAL ADULTS.

you seem to be going off talking about stabbing people, murder, child sex, etc, when all I am talking about can be found in the links I have pasted more than once.

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04-24-2004, 01:48 PM

So where is the list of movies? Have you compiled it yet?

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04-24-2004, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by jojojo
So where is the list of movies? Have you compiled it yet?

no, I was simply going to see how many out of all my DVDs have rape in them as I watch them.

All are bought straight from the store, no special order etc.

i buy a lot of horror movies, usually few dvds a week so I probably have more rape scenes than most folk, but its still very common in movies.

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04-24-2004, 02:00 PM

I never said it was okay to *rape women* as I said, quote me, show me saying that or drop it liar.
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Why are all of you against rape scenes and such so much?
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why do you folks hate rape fantasy so much and consider it a bad part of this industry, when Hollywood has NEVER SEEN RAPE as anything aside from entertainment.
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rape is everywhere. and to MANY its only a fantasy much like the "teen girls" all of you adore so much.
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Somehow you think a fantasy movies about girls fucked agaisnt their will is anger? hate?
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Im talking about the overall subject of how much America craves and desires rape fantasy.
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Which is exactly what I amr referring to as well. People here feel they can tell a person what they can or cannot fantasize about, and I think thats wrong.
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So I ask you once again, what would you say about someone who fantasized about raping a child? Please answer - AND - consider it an answer to your original question you idiot.
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04-24-2004, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by BigG

So I ask you once again, what would you say about someone who fantasized about raping a child? Please answer - AND - consider it an answer to your original question you idiot.

I have no control over what people think about, nor do you.

Personally, I dont agree with fantasizing about children, but I do feel its okay for a woman to fantasize about being ravished.

whats your point to this?

Having sex with a kid is NOT LEGAL, fantasing about it IS.

Raping a woman is not legal, but fantasizing about it is.

wo whats your point ? and you still never showed me where i said *its okay to rape women* which is what you said.

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04-24-2004, 02:19 PM

I answered your question.

bump

on my way out to run erands and hit the po box.

talk amongst yourselves folks.

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04-24-2004, 02:32 PM

whats your point to this?

Having sex with a kid is NOT LEGAL, fantasing about it IS.

Raping a woman is not legal, but fantasizing about it is.

wo whats your point ? and you still never showed me where i said *its okay to rape women* which is what you said
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Hey cornball,

You are so close to understanding. Too bad you seem to be brain damaged (or something).

You don't answer my question yet you think you are wining the argument. It might help you answer your original question. People who fantasize about raping people need help. Please sign up as soon as you can! Then let me know you are "under control."
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04-24-2004, 02:36 PM

i belive it should remain outlawed. fantasy does sometimes meet reality but that is not what i am most afraid of, its the point that people use porn and find groups of other individuals who are also into the same niche. now if a rapist finds other rapist friends to confide, trade stories and get off on. well thats just bad news.
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04-24-2004, 02:52 PM

Hi nice people,
For my part, I'm happy to see rape and murder depicted in all its gory forms through whatever media, be it magazine,film or internet. Not because I enjoy it, but because it represents freedom of expression, and therefore by default, freedom of thought. The Victorians covered table legs because they were suggestive...and yet vice flourished as never before. Let everyone express themselves without fear, because all these thought have always been lurking in the background. And now we have this wonderful medium of the internet to communicate them to others.
I think that rape fantasy is so popular because its actually taking the place of what would have been a relatively normal occurance. With our ordered and safe existance now we need to invent those quite natural behaviors which, because of the societies we live in, are no longer acceptable. But in war, for example, when the rules go back to Darwin, then the dominant (the stronger gene) rapes the defeated (the weaker gene) like there's no tomorrow. In nature, the female is always taken by the stronger mate, and he gets to do the do because he is the strongest. So, in some roundabout way, the movies etc let us all fulfill our natural, but denied path.
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04-24-2004, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by MetaMan
i belive it should remain outlawed. fantasy does sometimes meet reality but that is not what i am most afraid of, its the point that people use porn and find groups of other individuals who are also into the same niche. now if a rapist finds other rapist friends to confide, trade stories and get off on. well thats just bad news.

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Obviously rape is horrible and groups of rapists would be very bad too, but the question is, " is it ok to fantasize about raping?"

Fletch xxx says yes!.

My question is . . . then what isn't ok? Is it ok to fantasize about raping a 5 year old?

Answer this and you shall have the answer to the original question! It is simple for anyone to get it!
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04-24-2004, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by BigG
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Obviously rape is horrible and groups of rapists would be very bad too, but the question is, " is it ok to fantasize about raping?"

Fletch xxx says yes!.

My question is . . . then what isn't ok? Is it ok to fantasize about raping a 5 year old?

Answer this and you shall have the answer to the original question! It is simple for anyone to get it!

Its legal to fantasize about ANYTHING YOU WANT.

I suppose its the people like you who want to take that right away from us.

NOWHERE have I said its okay to rape women, you keep saying I have but you cant quote me saying *its okay to rape women*

Amazing, you can ONLY use sex with a 5 year old as your argument here.

Its LEGAL to fantasize about anything, did I say it was right in either case? Nope, only that it is allowed.

Anyway, just run along, you halfwit racist.

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04-24-2004, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by BigG

My question is . . . then what isn't ok? Is it ok to fantasize about raping a 5 year old?

Yes. I don't think it is inherently wrong to fantasize about anything. Fantasizing doesn't cause crime just as violent video games don't cause murders. They may exasperate an existing mental instability or situation, but fantasties aren't wrong.

Be careful about throwing moral judgements around here. This is how we move towards accepting thought police in our lives and things like purely fictional pornographic stories involving minors end up illegal.
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04-24-2004, 03:09 PM

Its legal to fantasize about ANYTHING YOU WANT.

I suppose its the people likie you who want to take that right away from us.

Amazing, you can ONLY use sex with a 5 year old as your argument here.

Its LEGAL to fantasize about anything, did I say it was right in either case? Nope, only that it is allowed.
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GREAT! You are almost there! Now if you can just explain why it is so wrong to fantasize about fucking a 5 year old. You will soon be home free!!!!!!!
The answer will be so obvious and it will apply to your original question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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04-24-2004, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by BigG
Its legal to fantasize about ANYTHING YOU WANT.

I suppose its the people likie you who want to take that right away from us.

Amazing, you can ONLY use sex with a 5 year old as your argument here.

Its LEGAL to fantasize about anything, did I say it was right in either case? Nope, only that it is allowed.
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GREAT! You are almost there! Now if you can just explain why it is so wrong to fantasize about fucking a 5 year old. You will soon be home free!!!!!!!
The answer will be so obvious and it will apply to your original question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, you need to make a statement regarding your point, you keep running on and on, not saying anything, you speak like you are either Non english speaking or retarded, and you dont even know how to use a BBS board properly to quote someone.

I feel like im talking to my little brother, not anyone worth even replying to.

So why dont you state your thoughts since you seem to be the one who has had NO FUCKING CLUE what this thread is even about.
You [put forth the argument of a 5 year old, YOU TELL ME Mr Pedo.

I bet you dont tell us what sites you run because it has something to do with this fixation of yours and 5 year olds.

tell us how you feel?

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04-24-2004, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by stephthegeek
Yes. I don't think it is inherently wrong to fantasize about anything. Fantasizing doesn't cause crime just as violent video games don't cause murders. They may exasperate an existing mental instability or situation, but fantasties aren't wrong.

Be careful about throwing moral judgements around here. This is how we move towards accepting thought police in our lives and things like purely fictional pornographic stories involving minors end up illegal.

exactly, this BigG kid cant be more than 15. is not even a webmaster and is hanging around for free porn pics.

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04-24-2004, 03:15 PM

hes just TALKING LOUD AND AINT SAYING NUTHIN

even James Brown knows more about this topic than this wannabe kid.

cant even formulate a thought, wants someone else to spell it out for him.

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04-24-2004, 03:17 PM

from here on, if anyone would like to discuss this like adults, I will filter out all the BS from this BigG kid.

anyone?

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04-24-2004, 03:19 PM

Hello Flutch xxx!

All you need to do is tell me why it is wrong to fantasize about Ravishment of a child!

GREAT! You are almost there! Now if you can just explain why it is so wrong to fantasize about fucking a 5 year old. You will soon be home free!!!!!!!
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04-24-2004, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by Elli

Now maybe we can get things back on track.

It would be on track if more people like you posted.

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04-24-2004, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
It would be on track if more people like you posted.

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Ya, let's get back to RAPE!!!!!!!!

Tell me again why it is ok to fantasize about raping a woman or a man but not a child????

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04-24-2004, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by jtpornstar
Hi nice people,
For my part, I'm happy to see rape and murder depicted in all its gory forms through whatever media, be it magazine,film or internet. Not because I enjoy it, but because it represents freedom of expression, and therefore by default, freedom of thought. The Victorians covered table legs because they were suggestive...and yet vice flourished as never before. Let everyone express themselves without fear, because all these thought have always been lurking in the background. And now we have this wonderful medium of the internet to communicate them to others.
I think that rape fantasy is so popular because its actually taking the place of what would have been a relatively normal occurance. With our ordered and safe existance now we need to invent those quite natural behaviors which, because of the societies we live in, are no longer acceptable. But in war, for example, when the rules go back to Darwin, then the dominant (the stronger gene) rapes the defeated (the weaker gene) like there's no tomorrow. In nature, the female is always taken by the stronger mate, and he gets to do the do because he is the strongest. So, in some roundabout way, the movies etc let us all fulfill our natural, but denied path.

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04-24-2004, 03:41 PM

Ya, let's get back to RAPE!!!!!!!!

Tell me again why it is ok to fantasize about raping a woman or a man but not a child????

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04-24-2004, 03:59 PM

EXACTLY! Why would anybody talk about RAPE???

Fletch xxx is going to explain the difference between raping a woman and raping a child.

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04-24-2004, 04:00 PM

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04-24-2004, 04:06 PM

You tell me why is it ok to fantasize about raping a man or woman but raping a 5 year old is wrong. Please explain so I understand exactly where you are coming from.

I actually know why both are wrong, I just want you to say it out loud so you migh actually understand why I'm asking. OH GOD THE ANSWER IS SO CLOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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04-24-2004, 05:06 PM

Hey, dummy! Ya . . . you Flutch xxx! I hope you understand that people don't HATE you, they just disagree with you and your child like rationalizations..

Stop being a moron and you life could be SO much simpler!
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04-24-2004, 08:07 PM

You fucking talk about raping a woman (as an appropriate fantasy) but somehow you draw the line at raping a 5 year old. Please explain why you fuckin moron! I am tired of you and your idiotic posts. Just answer the question and get ready to be grilled you sick wacko.
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04-24-2004, 08:44 PM

Out of nowhere you start the " America and its Rape Fantasy" thread. Tell me what the fuck are you thinking? Are you saying Rape is a fantasY? I don't undersand. Who is having a RAPE fantasy? Do you think it is ok to rape a man? Do you think it is ok to rape a child? What the fuck are you talking about you rape fantasy fuck? Tell me or leave this board forever!
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04-24-2004, 09:24 PM

Flutch xxx wants to RAPE your mother.

How about that? It is just a fantasy?

Don't worry, he would never actually RAPE her but he will think about it and talk about it and jerk off to it.

Oh, don't worry because he is not going to actually rape her.

He is also thinking about raping your 5 year old. Don't worry . . . he won't actually rape your child, he is just fantasizing about it. I know it isn't much to fall back on but imagine him RAPING your child and know that he won't actually stick his cock inside your child . . . you will get throgh it. and hopefully your kids will too.
Do not worry it is all just his fantasy!!!
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04-24-2004, 09:50 PM

Once again, I didn't read through all the replies... there's usually so much bullshit, I didn't want to waste those few "precious" moments to try to find legit responses.

Personally, I don't have a prob with "rape fantasy" and I agree, both women and men do have that fantasy, some of being the rapee and & some, the raper. While many will argue that a guy that fantasizes about raping a woman, might see a fantasy scene and try it himself... keep in mind, many woman actually fantasize about being raped. Do you think if this type of woman watches a rape fantasy scene, that she will go out and get herself raped??? I think not.

I think the one of the problems though, is that it can be difficult to distinguish between acted out rape and real rape, in pics & movies. It wouldn't be to difficult for a guy to force a woman to sign releases and such, to do such a scene... and it wouldn't be difficult for a woman that does that type of scene willingly, to later come back and claim that she was forced.
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04-24-2004, 11:52 PM

Interesting thread, with the exception of BigG, whom I've put on ignore.

While many mainstream films and TV shows use rape in their plotlines, I can think of three in particular in which rape plays a pivotal or central role:

1. A Clockwork Orange
Every geek who came of age in the early to mid eighties could not WAIT to see this film, and I think many of us were scarred for life. It's a psychologically brutal film. And I watch it every chance I get. (Haven't actually bought it yet, but I will.) While the main character, Alex (masterfully portrayed by Malcolm McDowell), is clearly a very, very bad guy, he's also the protagonist, and ultimately becomes a sympathetic character.

2. 9 1/2 Weeks
When this film came out in 1986, the "rape" scene became (and remains) controversial and has fueled (and in many ways initiated) the "no means no" debate. There is a scene in which Mickey Rourke's character takes Kim Basinger's character "by force". At the beginning of the scene, it's unclear whether her protests are or are not sincere. By the end, it's quite clear she's enjoying herself. (In other words, ultimately the scene portrayed a "ravishment" and not a rape.)

3. The General's Daughter
I've seen this one a couple of times but I always seem to forget the particulars, so I had to rely on a film synopsis site for the details.
The body of a woman (Captain Elisabeth Campbell, daughter of General Joe Campbell) is found naked, tied to the ground and presumably raped. (*Minor spoilers follow*) We learn that Elisabeth, a few years back, was gang-raped on a training exercise, and left staked out on the ground. Her father persuaded her to hush the incident up. Ultimately it turns out Elisabeth has convinced her commanding officer to help her recreate the circumstances of her rape, to show her father what she's had to endure. Instead, while tied up, she ends up being murdered by some colonel with an unrequited crush, or something. (No wonder I can never remember the plot - convoluted much?)

Three very different portrayals of rape, and I'm surprised to realize that not one of these films actively focused on condemning the rapist(s)...which blows one of my old arguments right out of the water. I was going to suggest that mainstream clearly portrays rape as negative, while adult films would be likely to show it either as desirable or else completely without context. This thread already had me thinking along different lines.

Can anyone think of a mainstream film with a clear theme of "rape is bad"?

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04-25-2004, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by Mishi
Interesting thread, with the exception of BigG, whom I've put on ignore.

While many mainstream films and TV shows use rape in their plotlines, I can think of three in particular in which rape plays a pivotal or central role:

1. A Clockwork Orange
Every geek who came of age in the early to mid eighties could not WAIT to see this film, and I think many of us were scarred for life. It's a psychologically brutal film. And I watch it every chance I get. (Haven't actually bought it yet, but I will.) While the main character, Alex (masterfully portrayed by Malcolm McDowell), is clearly a very, very bad guy, he's also the protagonist, and ultimately becomes a sympathetic character.

2. 9 1/2 Weeks
When this film came out in 1986, the "rape" scene became (and remains) controversial and has fueled (and in many ways initiated) the "no means no" debate. There is a scene in which Mickey Rourke's character takes Kim Basinger's character "by force". At the beginning of the scene, it's unclear whether her protests are or are not sincere. By the end, it's quite clear she's enjoying herself. (In other words, ultimately the scene portrayed a "ravishment" and not a rape.)

3. The General's Daughter
I've seen this one a couple of times but I always seem to forget the particulars, so I had to rely on a film synopsis site for the details.
The body of a woman (Captain Elisabeth Campbell, daughter of General Joe Campbell) is found naked, tied to the ground and presumably raped. (*Minor spoilers follow*) We learn that Elisabeth, a few years back, was gang-raped on a training exercise, and left staked out on the ground. Her father persuaded her to hush the incident up. Ultimately it turns out Elisabeth has convinced her commanding officer to help her recreate the circumstances of her rape, to show her father what she's had to endure. Instead, while tied up, she ends up being murdered by some colonel with an unrequited crush, or something. (No wonder I can never remember the plot - convoluted much?)

Three very different portrayals of rape, and I'm surprised to realize that not one of these films actively focused on condemning the rapist(s)...which blows one of my old arguments right out of the water. I was going to suggest that mainstream clearly portrays rape as negative, while adult films would be likely to show it either as desirable or else completely without context. This thread already had me thinking along different lines.

Can anyone think of a mainstream film with a clear theme of "rape is bad"?

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04-25-2004, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
One of the most well written, open minded posts ever submitted to this board.

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04-25-2004, 01:05 AM

I just don't get "rape" - it's not a turn-on as a fantasy and it sure would not enter "real life" for me...

It's once of these things I've wondered about for years - why anyone would actually "want" to beat another up, abuse them and often piss over them and get a turn-on doing this.

From speaking to others who are qualified and alledgedly understand this - it's supposed to be about "control" - not particularly a sexual thing.

Hell.. I have no clue!! Anyone that did that around my friends would have an unfortunate fatal accident in the near future.

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#148

04-25-2004, 02:05 AM

maybe fletch would like to be raped by 5 big black men........you fucking faggot.

i hope somebody puts a .38 to your head and blows away the shit stinking up the world

FUCKOFF FLETCH YOU SICK FAGGOT
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04-25-2004, 02:28 AM

Can anyone think of a mainstream film with a clear theme of "rape is bad"?
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Three very different portrayals of rape, and I'm surprised to realize that not one of these films actively focused on condemning the rapist(s)...
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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
One of the most well written, open minded posts ever submitted to this board.
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Are you two brain dead?

First off, Fultch xxx . . . none of those examples are "rape fantasy" so why are you thanking Mishi??? Just because a "rape" may or may not occur in a movie does NOT mean it is a RAPE FANTASY. Just like a murder in a movie. There are many MURDERS in movies but how many do you consider to be particularly "Murder Fantasy"??? How about none? You are clearly confused and/or misunderstanding the context of rape in mainstream film. RAPE FANTASY is YOUR FANTASY and the fact that you "get off" anytime a rape occurs in a movie doesn't mean anything.

Second - Mishi,
You can't be serious. "Can anyone think of a mainstream film with a clear theme of "rape is bad"? "
1. A Clockwork Orange is NOT rape fantasy. It is RAPE. It is meant to disturb you!!! It is a horrible crime portrayed in A Clockwork Orange. You are meant to be HORRIFIED by Alex's behavior. Did you even see that movie? Maybe you aren't reading this thread?
2. 9 1/2 weeks wasn't rape fantasy either. It wasn't even rape (as you mentioned)
3. The General's Daughter, well I never saw it, but according to a national movie reviewer PETER TRAVERS: It's not fittin' that the daughter of Gen. Joe Campbell (James Cromwell) - Fighting Joe is considering a run for vice president - should be found stripped, spread-eagled and strangled in the middle of a training field on her old man's command post. No rape is involved, although Paul finds whips, leather and the latest in bondage toys tucked away in the captain's basement.
My point is (AGAIN) that RAPE FANTASY does not exist in mainstream films for OBVIOUS REASONS. Rape is always protrayed as an atrocious CRIME. Your examples are terrible. They have nothing to do with "RAPE FANTASY" and "Fultch xxx" thanks you as though you have helped him make a point. I think you are either not understanding the topic OR you are incapable of understanding the topic. Either way, you need to think about it A LOT more before posting again.

AND FULTCH XXX - you can't be serious. You are kidding right???
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04-25-2004, 02:43 AM

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