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  • Elli
    Reach for those stars!
    • Apr 2003
    • 17991

    #51
    Fletch, ever feel like you're slamming your head against a wall?

    Yeah, I thought so.

    My 1.319 cents:

    I've had rape fantasies since I was a teenager. No, I was not abused as a child. I led a quite normal suburban life, maybe a little too sheltered, maybe a little too latchkey, but it is what it is. I fantasized in the safety of my own home. But when I had to walk down the dark overgrown path between the houses and the barn after dark, I was sweating and starting like a jittery horse. The fantasy was the furthest thing from my mind. There is no way I actually *wanted* a guy to jump out of the dark and attack me.

    Seeing the violence and blood and fear depicted in movies, be they mainstream or porn, is disturbing and scary. It's meant to be. However, if it was portrayed in a gentler, maybe more of a role-playing manner, I could find it sexy. Mind you, I'm pretty white bread. I'm sure there are people who are into the BDSM aspect of things who don't mind the blood and pain aspect in their fantasies.

    So? Take it or leave it.
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    • Fletch XXX
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      • Jan 2002
      • 60840

      #52
      Originally posted by Elli
      Fletch, ever feel like you're slamming your head against a wall?

      Yeah, I thought so.

      My 1.319 cents:

      I've had rape fantasies since I was a teenager. No, I was not abused as a child. I led a quite normal suburban life, maybe a little too sheltered, maybe a little too latchkey, but it is what it is. I fantasized in the safety of my own home. But when I had to walk down the dark overgrown path between the houses and the barn after dark, I was sweating and starting like a jittery horse. The fantasy was the furthest thing from my mind. There is no way I actually *wanted* a guy to jump out of the dark and attack me.

      Seeing the violence and blood and fear depicted in movies, be they mainstream or porn, is disturbing and scary. It's meant to be. However, if it was portrayed in a gentler, maybe more of a role-playing manner, I could find it sexy. Mind you, I'm pretty white bread. I'm sure there are people who are into the BDSM aspect of things who don't mind the blood and pain aspect in their fantasies.

      So? Take it or leave it.
      thanks for posting

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      • Mr.Fiction
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        • Feb 2002
        • 9484

        #53
        The same people who say that rape scenes in movies or porn will cause people to be rapists rarely seem to have a problem with murder in movies, video games, TV, and everywhere else. Is there anything more graphic than the murder in video games? Video games "glorify" murder at least as much as any movie could glorify rape.

        Does murder in a video game cause murder in real life?

        As far as women having rape fantasies, many of them do. A lot of women have incest fantasies as well. If you don't want to admit that women have fantasies, that's your problem.

        Some people on this board would probably like to ban all books that have anything they don't agree with in them.
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        • BigG
          So Fucking Banned
          • Apr 2004
          • 931

          #54
          So they pick subjects where 99% of the people will agree that it is something they are not interested in or appalled by.
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          Well, I know a guy who wants to start a site about stabbing people in the heart while they sleep. His fantasy group is definitely a small segment of the population, but god damn he should be allowed to do it (or at least act it out)! If it gets you off then go for it!

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          • Fletch XXX
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            • Jan 2002
            • 60840

            #55
            Originally posted by SykkBoy2

            should we stop producoing horror mvoies
            bringing this up again, I picked up a few horror dvds the other day , cheap clearance horror, 5.99 a dvd NO PARENTAL WARNING.

            got home threw it on, first scene was titties and rape, a girl being raped by 6 guys on a beach in the middle of the night.

            that DVD is actually what has got me thinking about this so much.

            Why is it looked down upon so much yet its everywhere?

            America loves it, thats why.

            and so does the rest of the world.

            In Anime you see so much rape, hell rape by tentacle beasts and demons all the time

            hehehe

            i have so many horror movies that have rape in them, i could be considered sick, then again, ive always liked girls and blood.


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            • goBigtime
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              • Nov 2002
              • 7761

              #56
              Originally posted by BigG

              Well, I know a guy who wants to start a site about stabbing people in the heart while they sleep.

              So he didn't get along with his step-dad huh?

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              • Roger
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                • Jul 2003
                • 3181

                #57
                Originally posted by Elli
                I've had rape fantasies since I was a teenager. No, I was not abused as a child. I led a quite normal suburban life, maybe a little too sheltered, maybe a little too latchkey, but it is what it is. I fantasized in the safety of my own home. But when I had to walk down the dark overgrown path between the houses and the barn after dark, I was sweating and starting like a jittery horse. The fantasy was the furthest thing from my mind. There is no way I actually *wanted* a guy to jump out of the dark and attack me.
                Yeah you can fantasize about it in your own home, you can watch it in movies if you want to and you could even play out some of those fantasies with your partner. Whom does that hurt?

                I'm sure women who fantasize about it don't want to be actually raped for real.

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                • Jaden
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                  • Feb 2004
                  • 151

                  #58
                  Ah well....as a female just thought I would add my two cents here, however unpopular I am sure it is going to be.

                  I think that while rape itself IS about anger and hate and degradation, I think that rape FANTASIES are all about that little twinge of fear that comes from loss of control and actually feels good.

                  Fear at its base causes strong physical reactions that are very similar to sexual responses in the body. I said similar NOT exactly the same. Its the fight or flight adrenaline rush. The same thing that makes your heart pound, eyes dilate, and nerve endings go into hypersensitive mode. And people seek that out actively all the time....rollercoasters, haunted houses...and its fun...and harmless. But make no mistake, those things are not "fun" and scary because of the dark, or the speed or anything else but the fact that for a short time we are not the ones in control. Something has been set into motion that we are helpless and vulnerable to until it completes.

                  It makes sense that as humans who are such sexual beings that we would cross that line in fantasy sometimes.

                  I also think that it has to do with the fact that we live in society where men are not allowed to be men, and womene are not allowed to be women....Men have to think in female terms and put female labelling on their thoughts or emotions or be labeled insensitive jerks....and it is the same with women...to admit to wanting to feel taken care of, protected and satisfied in the role of caretaker and mother is considered being oppressed and somehow wrong. Which all leads to why in the world romance novels sell so well with women. Manly men fully in charge of themselves and full of lust throwing the squealing princess over their shoulder and riding off into the sunset the ravishing her through her feeble attempts to protest. I think the fantasy fulfills an archetype in our minds.

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                  • Fletch XXX
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                    • Jan 2002
                    • 60840

                    #59
                    Originally posted by goBigtime
                    So he didn't get along with his step-dad huh?
                    isnt it funny how this guy keeps bringing up murder, stabbing people, when all Im talking about is fantasy?

                    hahaha

                    next time I stab a dragon in a video game, im going to take a sword and go run down the street and stab someones dog.

                    whos to blame, me or the video game?


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                    • cherrylula
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                      • Jan 2002
                      • 15969

                      #60
                      Just make sure you have good directions when you go on a fantasy rape date

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                      • Fletch XXX
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                        • Jan 2002
                        • 60840

                        #61
                        Originally posted by Jaden
                        Ah well....as a female just thought I would add my two cents here, however unpopular I am sure it is going to be.

                        I think that while rape itself IS about anger and hate and degradation, I think that rape FANTASIES are all about that little twinge of fear that comes from loss of control and actually feels good.

                        Fear at its base causes strong physical reactions that are very similar to sexual responses in the body. I said similar NOT exactly the same. Its the fight or flight adrenaline rush. The same thing that makes your heart pound, eyes dilate, and nerve endings go into hypersensitive mode. And people seek that out actively all the time....rollercoasters, haunted houses...and its fun...and harmless. But make no mistake, those things are not "fun" and scary because of the dark, or the speed or anything else but the fact that for a short time we are not the ones in control. Something has been set into motion that we are helpless and vulnerable to until it completes.

                        It makes sense that as humans who are such sexual beings that we would cross that line in fantasy sometimes.

                        I also think that it has to do with the fact that we live in society where men are not allowed to be men, and womene are not allowed to be women....Men have to think in female terms and put female labelling on their thoughts or emotions or be labeled insensitive jerks....and it is the same with women...to admit to wanting to feel taken care of, protected and satisfied in the role of caretaker and mother is considered being oppressed and somehow wrong. Which all leads to why in the world romance novels sell so well with women. Manly men fully in charge of themselves and full of lust throwing the squealing princess over their shoulder and riding off into the sunset the ravishing her through her feeble attempts to protest. I think the fantasy fulfills an archetype in our minds.
                        Anyone else notice its WOMEN making great posts about this, and how I told you that most women would tell the boys here to just shut up.

                        here are two women telling you straight up about how it can be fantasy.

                        thanks for posting ladies I am glad to see there are people with the intelligence and curiosity to both post about this, as well as address the issue.

                        fantasy is fantasy. like Boris Vallejo ;)

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                        • BigG
                          So Fucking Banned
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 931

                          #62
                          Why is it looked down upon so much yet its everywhere?

                          America loves it, thats why.

                          and so does the rest of the world
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                          Just because it exists doesn't mean that it is "accepted" and just because you have an interest in the subject doesn't mean the rest of the world does too. You might be seeing "rape" scenes in movies that are there for reasons OTHER THAN SEXUAL GRATIFICATION.
                          You are twisting your argument but even still, it seems that you could use a lot of counseling.

                          Furthermore . . . there are even more ?racist? sites found on google than ?rape? sites. Just because they are out there doesn?t mean jack shit.

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                          • SykkBoy2
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                            • Feb 2001
                            • 19969

                            #63
                            Originally posted by Roger
                            Yeah you can fantasize about it in your own home, you can watch it in movies if you want to and you could even play out some of those fantasies with your partner. Whom does that hurt?

                            I'm sure women who fantasize about it don't want to be actually raped for real.
                            This was my point too (as well as Fletch's point and the point of this thread)

                            fantasy = fantasy

                            hell, sometimes, my wife wears a blindfold and I pretend to be a stranger, but that doesn't mean in reality, I'd let a guy be with her or that she'd want to be with a stranger...it's all about fantasy....and some people's fantasie may be a bit darker than others...

                            what type of fantasy do we as an industry perpetuate with schoolgirls? Is that more or less disturbing than "ravishment fantasies"?
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                            • Mr.Fiction
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                              • Feb 2002
                              • 9484

                              #64
                              Originally posted by BigG

                              Just because it exists doesn't mean that it is "accepted" and just because you have an interest in the subject doesn't mean the rest of the world does too. You might be seeing "rape" scenes in movies that are there for reasons OTHER THAN SEXUAL GRATIFICATION.
                              You are twisting your argument but even still, it seems that you could use a lot of counseling.

                              Furthermore . . . there are even more ?racist? sites found on google than ?rape? sites. Just because they are out there doesn?t mean jack shit.
                              What do you think of violent video games?
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                              • BigG
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Apr 2004
                                • 931

                                #65
                                What do you think of violent video games?
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                                I LOVE THEM!!!

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                                • Mr.Fiction
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                                  • Feb 2002
                                  • 9484

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by BigG
                                  What do you think of violent video games?
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                                  I LOVE THEM!!!
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                                  • SykkBoy2
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                                    • Feb 2001
                                    • 19969

                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by BigG
                                    What do you think of violent video games?
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                                    I LOVE THEM!!!
                                    MURDERER! YOU NEED HELP!
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                                    • BigG
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                                      • Apr 2004
                                      • 931

                                      #68
                                      hell, sometimes, my wife wears a blindfold and I pretend to be a stranger, but that doesn't mean in reality, I'd let a guy be with her or that she'd want to be with a stranger...it's all about fantasy....and some people's fantasie may be a bit darker than others...

                                      what type of fantasy do we as an industry perpetuate with schoolgirls? Is that more or less disturbing than "ravishment fantasies"?
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                                      I think I know what you're saying, but consentual sex isn't rape (even with a blindfold).

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                                      • BigG
                                        So Fucking Banned
                                        • Apr 2004
                                        • 931

                                        #69
                                        What do you think of violent video games?
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                                        I LOVE THEM!!!
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                                        MURDERER! YOU NEED HELP!
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                                        I actually don't really "love" them. I haven't played a video game for many, many years. Also, violence doesn't = murder but I see what you are saying. Go fuck a 5 year old and don't worry about who disagrees with you.

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                                        • SykkBoy2
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                                          • Feb 2001
                                          • 19969

                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by BigG
                                          hell, sometimes, my wife wears a blindfold and I pretend to be a stranger, but that doesn't mean in reality, I'd let a guy be with her or that she'd want to be with a stranger...it's all about fantasy....and some people's fantasie may be a bit darker than others...

                                          what type of fantasy do we as an industry perpetuate with schoolgirls? Is that more or less disturbing than "ravishment fantasies"?
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                                          I think I know what you're saying, but consentual sex isn't rape (even with a blindfold).
                                          no you don't know what I'm saying, that example was an example of a fantasy that would never become a reality....
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                                          • Jaden
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                                            • Feb 2004
                                            • 151

                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by BigG

                                            I think I know what you're saying, but consentual sex isn't rape (even with a blindfold).
                                            And a rape fantasy isn't actual rape either....and rape acted out on TV isn't actual rape either, just like the blood and violence in the video games you love or in the movies you watch isn't real either.

                                            Just like violence from a video game or in the media in whatever form will NOT cause you go out and act on what you see unless you already have a propensity for it....Fantasies about rape will NOT cause you to go out and act on them unless you lean that way as well.

                                            And truthfully, I believe if you do lean that way, you are a ticking time bomb that can be triggered by anything, and a tragedy just waiting to occur.

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                                            • SykkBoy2
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                                              • Feb 2001
                                              • 19969

                                              #72
                                              Originally posted by BigG
                                              Go fuck a 5 year old and don't worry about who disagrees with you.
                                              where the fuck did that come from?
                                              we're talking about rape fantasies and you project your pedophile fantasy on me? get some help...seriously...
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                                              • Fletch XXX
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                                                • Jan 2002
                                                • 60840

                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by SykkBoy2
                                                where the fuck did that come from?
                                                we're talking about rape fantasies and you project your pedophile fantasy on me? get some help...seriously...
                                                exactly.

                                                this guy has brough up stabbing people, murder, etc when Im simply trying to discuss BDSM.

                                                Then he pulls his pedo fantasy?

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                                                • Honeyslut
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                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                  • 6436

                                                  #74
                                                  Women being ravished is quite common in the romance books that have been out for years.



                                                  "Romance accounts for 48.6 percent of the mass market (paperback) book sales in the United States, with sales topping $885 million in 1992"


                                                  Perhaps the goverment should close down this market, too.




                                                  I got your point, Fletch ! I agree !
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                                                  • BigG
                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                    • Apr 2004
                                                    • 931

                                                    #75
                                                    I've had rape fantasies since I was a teenager.

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                                                    And truthfully, I believe if you do lean that way, you are a ticking time bomb that can be triggered by anything, and a tragedy just waiting to occur.

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                                                    People here feel they can tell a person what they can or cannot fantasize about, and I think thats wrong.
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                                                    I agree! Go fuck a 5 year old if you want.

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                                                    • BigG
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Apr 2004
                                                      • 931

                                                      #76
                                                      quote:
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                                                      Originally posted by BigG
                                                      Go fuck a 5 year old and don't worry about who disagrees with you.
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                                                      where the fuck did that come from?
                                                      we're talking about rape fantasies and you project your pedophile fantasy on me?
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                                                      HEY BLOCKHEAD . . . MY POINT IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO FANTASIZE ABOUT RAPING SOMEONE - WHAT IS WRONG WITH SOME SICKO (LIKE YOU) FANTASIZING ABOUT FUCKING A 5 YEAR OLD.
                                                      WHATEVER YOU SAY CAN BE USED AGAINST YOU.

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                                                      • Jaden
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                                                        • Feb 2004
                                                        • 151

                                                        #77
                                                        LOL...I have always got to laugh my ass off when people have contradictory beliefs and not enought intelligence to actually think things through and end up so frustrated with their own stupidity and ignorance they come up with thing like that to contribute....

                                                        Bravo Big!!!! Let those true colors shine through!!!! The world needs more people like you who are willing to turn their fear of appearing stupid in front of others into a reality!

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                                                        • BigG
                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                          • Apr 2004
                                                          • 931

                                                          #78
                                                          Jaden
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                                                          GREAT!!! YOU HAVE ACCEPTED THE CHALLENGE!!!

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                                                          • SykkBoy2
                                                            Jesus loves bacon
                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                            • 19969

                                                            #79
                                                            Originally posted by BigG
                                                            quote:
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                                                            Originally posted by BigG
                                                            Go fuck a 5 year old and don't worry about who disagrees with you.
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                                                            where the fuck did that come from?
                                                            we're talking about rape fantasies and you project your pedophile fantasy on me?
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                                                            HEY BLOCKHEAD . . . MY POINT IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO FANTASIZE ABOUT RAPING SOMEONE - WHAT IS WRONG WITH SOME SICKO (LIKE YOU) FANTASIZING ABOUT FUCKING A 5 YEAR OLD.
                                                            WHATEVER YOU SAY CAN BE USED AGAINST YOU.
                                                            first of all, use quotes, it's much easier to read...

                                                            who said it was MY fantasy? and to accuse me of fucking a 5 year old?

                                                            again, seek help, you have some serious social disorders...

                                                            also, just a little FYI, there's a button on the left hand side of your keyboard marked Caps Lock. It can come in handy when posting. It can be turned on and off so to avoid a whole post of capital letters
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                                                            • Fletch XXX
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                                                              • Jan 2002
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                                                              #80
                                                              Originally posted by BigG

                                                              WHATEVER YOU SAY CAN BE USED AGAINST YOU.
                                                              I agree, youre gonna find that out.

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                                                              • BigG
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                                                                • Apr 2004
                                                                • 931

                                                                #81
                                                                Jaden
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                                                                First let me ask you if you think there is anything wrong with Fletch xxx fantasizing about fucking a 5 year old.

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                                                                • beemk
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                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                  • 20829

                                                                  #82
                                                                  remember that news story a few months back where the dude broke into someones house to play off a rape fantasy and it was the wrong house or something like that?
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                                                                  • SykkBoy2
                                                                    Jesus loves bacon
                                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                                    • 19969

                                                                    #83
                                                                    Odd, here is a thread that started with a legitimate point for an intelligent discussion of rape fantasy. It could have been filled with intelligent replied both prom and con, yet, got reduced to insane accusations and immature namecalling.

                                                                    Maybe this is why no serious discussions happen here.
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                                                                    • Jaden
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                                                                      • Feb 2004
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                                                                      #84
                                                                      Amazing....you have made the move from being ignorant to sad to truly pathetic....

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                                                                      • Fletch XXX
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                                                                        • Jan 2002
                                                                        • 60840

                                                                        #85
                                                                        Originally posted by SykkBoy2
                                                                        Odd, here is a thread that started with a legitimate point for an intelligent discussion of rape fantasy. It could have been filled with intelligent replied both prom and con, yet, got reduced to insane accusations and immature namecalling.

                                                                        Maybe this is why no serious discussions happen here.
                                                                        I tried man.

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                                                                        • stev0
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                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                          • 6801

                                                                          #86
                                                                          Originally posted by BigG
                                                                          What do you think of violent video games?
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                                                                          I LOVE THEM!!!
                                                                          yeah, video games are sweet... I don't think you can blame violence on anyone except the person that takes it apon themself to commit it.

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                                                                          • Jaden
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                                                                            • Feb 2004
                                                                            • 151

                                                                            #87
                                                                            It was fun while it lasted Fletch

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                                                                            • Elli
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                                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                                              • 17991

                                                                              #88
                                                                              Originally posted by BigG
                                                                              Jaden
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                                                                              First let me ask you if you think there is anything wrong with Fletch xxx fantasizing about fucking a 5 year old.
                                                                              He has a point. A very offensive point, but a point nonetheless.

                                                                              Where do you draw the line about what is acceptable for a person to fantasize about?

                                                                              Hitting a woman?
                                                                              Forcibly having sex with her?
                                                                              Tearing her up a bit?
                                                                              Seducing a schoolgirl?
                                                                              etc etc

                                                                              Society's tolerance levels are changeable to some degree.

                                                                              Note: No, I do not think sex with children is acceptable. I am merely pointing out that this issue needs to take a good hard look at how and why exactly we decide one thing is acceptable and the other not.
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                                                                              • Fletch XXX
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                                                                                • Jan 2002
                                                                                • 60840

                                                                                #89
                                                                                Originally posted by Elli
                                                                                He has a point. A very offensive point, but a point nonetheless.

                                                                                Where do you draw the line about what is acceptable for a person to fantasize about?

                                                                                Hitting a woman?
                                                                                Forcibly having sex with her?
                                                                                Tearing her up a bit?
                                                                                Seducing a schoolgirl?
                                                                                etc etc

                                                                                Society's tolerance levels are changeable to some degree.

                                                                                Note: No, I do not think sex with children is acceptable. I am merely pointing out that this issue needs to take a good hard look at how and why exactly we decide one thing is acceptable and the other not.
                                                                                fantasizing about 5 years old is NOT the topic, nor a fantasy of mine.

                                                                                I brought up women fantasizing about rape, ignorant of the proper term I now know to use ravished or something similar.

                                                                                Losing control of ones self to another can hardly be compared to sex with children, no two ways about it, very different topics, lets stick to BDSM fantasies here, please.

                                                                                I DONT weant this to go the wrong way, do not side with some kid on a board who has no clue about any of this in the first place.

                                                                                While it may make a good argument, I will NOT discuss cp related crap in a thread. sorry, start another one, this one is abouty BDSM fanasies, lets keep it that way?

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                                                                                • notjoe
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                                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                                  • 5599

                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                                                  Why are all of you against rape scenes and such so much?

                                                                                  I am going to start d o c u m e n ting every case of rape I find in mainstream movies, started last night.

                                                                                  Yesterday while working I decided to put on Stephen King's The Stand DVD and let it play all day.

                                                                                  One scene got me thinking about how most people in this industry view rape fantasy and are quick to put it down etc, when in fact its one of the most prevailing concepts in American movies these days.

                                                                                  Fact #1: In the Stand which was aired on TV as well, there is a scene where Randall Flagg rapes and literally impregnates a women against her will with his "demon seed" - raping her and filling her with demon cum.

                                                                                  Thats Stephen King and is as mainstream as you get.

                                                                                  why do you folks hate rape fantasy so much and consider it a bad part of this industry, when Hollywood has NEVER SEEN RAPE as anything aside from entertainment.

                                                                                  From Charles Bronson movies which "Death Wish" is entirely about Rape Revenge, and on to The Stand we see rape everywhere.

                                                                                  So why do you hate it so much when it sells in everything else, theatres and bookstores.

                                                                                  Fantasy is fantasy.
                                                                                  These probably are the same idiots who think porn stars are not prostitutes

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                                                                                  • BigG
                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                    • Apr 2004
                                                                                    • 931

                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    HELLO!!!

                                                                                    Fletch xxx says that it is ok to think about raping a woman and I simply asked him why he thinks it is ok.

                                                                                    My point is, why is anything against the law, or taboo??? If you think it is just fine to think about RAPING a woman, why stop there? What is wrong with Fletch xxx raping a 5 year old? Get it???


                                                                                    Your answer should answer his original question.

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                                                                                    • stephthegeek
                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                      • 402

                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      Rape is one of the most common female fantasies. Emphasis on the fantasy part there in most cases I imagine.

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                                                                                      • Mr.Fiction
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                                                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                                                        • 9484

                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        Originally posted by BigG
                                                                                        HELLO!!!

                                                                                        Fletch xxx says that it is ok to think about raping a woman and I simply asked him why he thinks it is ok.

                                                                                        My point is, why is anything against the law, or taboo??? If you think it is just fine to think about RAPING a woman, why stop there? What is wrong with Fletch xxx raping a 5 year old? Get it???


                                                                                        Your answer should answer his original question.
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                                                                                        • Elli
                                                                                          Reach for those stars!
                                                                                          • Apr 2003
                                                                                          • 17991

                                                                                          #94
                                                                                          Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                                                          fantasizing about 5 years old is NOT the topic, nor a fantasy of mine.

                                                                                          I brought up women fantasizing about rape, ignorant of the proper term I now know to use ravished or something similar.

                                                                                          Losing control of ones self to another can hardly be compared to sex with children, no two ways about it, very different topics, lets stick to BDSM fantasies here, please.

                                                                                          I DONT weant this to go the wrong way, do not side with some kid on a board who has no clue about any of this in the first place.

                                                                                          While it may make a good argument, I will NOT discuss cp related crap in a thread. sorry, start another one, this one is abouty BDSM fanasies, lets keep it that way?
                                                                                          I thought we were having an open discussion here. My bad.
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                                                                                          • Fletch XXX
                                                                                            GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                                                            • 60840

                                                                                            #95
                                                                                            Originally posted by stephthegeek
                                                                                            Rape is one of the most common female fantasies. Emphasis on the fantasy part there in most cases I imagine.
                                                                                            I know, I read somewhere it was, which was another reason for me starting this thread.

                                                                                            Ravishment as mentioned by Honeyslut is common in romance novels, and my girlfriend even backed it up saying she has an aunt who is additeced to those books, and its all the same crap, and tons of them have stories involving something along the lines of what we discuss here today.

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                                                                                            • Fletch XXX
                                                                                              GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                              • 60840

                                                                                              #96
                                                                                              Originally posted by Elli
                                                                                              I thought we were having an open discussion here. My bad.
                                                                                              We are, but not when it involves the hint that this fantasy has anything to do with kids.

                                                                                              The thread will get locked and we look bad.

                                                                                              just leave kids out of it.

                                                                                              im only trying to be logical, if we were in a bar, fine, but it doesnt need to be here on an adult board.... it wont come across correctly....

                                                                                              you can say what you like though, I just wont comment or get involved if its about kids.... sorry, I just dont feel it has any place here or on any board lie this for that matter...

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                                                                                              • Jaden
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                                                                                                • Feb 2004
                                                                                                • 151

                                                                                                #97
                                                                                                Originally posted by BigG
                                                                                                HELLO!!!

                                                                                                Fletch xxx says that it is ok to think about raping a woman and I simply asked him why he thinks it is ok.

                                                                                                My point is, why is anything against the law, or taboo??? If you think it is just fine to think about RAPING a woman, why stop there? What is wrong with Fletch xxx raping a 5 year old? Get it???


                                                                                                Your answer should answer his original question.
                                                                                                It is okay to THINK about anything you want....Thoughts (at least for now) are not illegal. It is HOW you choose to express or restrict those thoughts that can make it acceptable or not, legal or not.

                                                                                                Someone had to THINK up all those creative nasty ways to kill things and people in video games in great detail it would seem to be able to get the effects and graphics to appear realistic. Does this mean that the creators have taken thoughts out into the real world and acted on them? Probably not....

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                                                                                                • BigG
                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                  • Apr 2004
                                                                                                  • 931

                                                                                                  #98
                                                                                                  Elli, you get it!

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                                                                                                  • SykkBoy2
                                                                                                    Jesus loves bacon
                                                                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                                                                    • 19969

                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Elli
                                                                                                    He has a point. A very offensive point, but a point nonetheless.

                                                                                                    Where do you draw the line about what is acceptable for a person to fantasize about?

                                                                                                    Hitting a woman?
                                                                                                    Forcibly having sex with her?
                                                                                                    Tearing her up a bit?
                                                                                                    Seducing a schoolgirl?
                                                                                                    etc etc

                                                                                                    Society's tolerance levels are changeable to some degree.

                                                                                                    Note: No, I do not think sex with children is acceptable. I am merely pointing out that this issue needs to take a good hard look at how and why exactly we decide one thing is acceptable and the other not.
                                                                                                    I feel the same way, my problem is with him openly accusing Fletch and myself wanting to fuck 5 year olds...

                                                                                                    it's not hard to have a heated discussion without getting into petty insults like that....

                                                                                                    this is a controversial topic and there will be disagreements, but doesn't mean it should turn into a highschool flamefest...

                                                                                                    so where do we draw the line with fantasy? As soon as it becomes reality, this is always my feelings.

                                                                                                    An example is who are we appealing to when we boast of the youngest legal girls allowed by law, dress them up in pigtails and have them holding a teddy bear while in a school girl outfit? Do we appeal to a safe fantasy of the lolita schoolgirl seduction?

                                                                                                    I don't know, but these are things that can be discussed without rampant accusations that could potentially damage someone's business.
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                                                                                                    • Elli
                                                                                                      Reach for those stars!
                                                                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                                                                      • 17991

                                                                                                      #100
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                                                                      We are, but not when it involves the hint that this fantasy has anything to do with kids.

                                                                                                      The thread will get locked and we look bad.

                                                                                                      just leave kids out of it.

                                                                                                      im only trying to be logical, if we were in a bar, fine, but it doesnt need to be here on an adult board.... it wont come across correctly....

                                                                                                      you can say what you like though, I just wont comment or get involved if its about kids.... sorry, I just dont feel it has any place here or on any board lie this for that matter...
                                                                                                      I agree. I didn't mean we should discuss the validity of other fantasies, I was just pointing out what the guy was trying to say. He wasn't out and out trying to insult you or suggest you did anything of that sort.

                                                                                                      Now maybe we can get things back on track.
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