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I thought Luke Ford went out of business too.
Didn't he sell his site?
I saw him about a year ago and he told me he is out.
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Yes.Originally posted by Morphius
I thought Luke Ford went out of business too.
Didn't he sell his site?
I saw him about a year ago and he told me he is out.
Are we talking about the same Luke Ford?Comment
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luke ford is an asshole, a proven liar and plagerist.Last edited by jonesy; 04-23-2004, 01:34 PM..
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I still say Confucy would be a good replacement for Duke/Luke. If Confucy were to take Luke's place, what would her pen name be?
What is feminine and rhyme's with "Duke Floored"?
How about "Loose Board"?
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That would fit!Originally posted by CDSmith
What is feminine and rhyme's with "Duke Floored"?
How about "Loose Board"?
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CD, every w r i t e r who works for someone has the same problem. You have to answer to your *boss!* Even if you work for yourself and you have your own website like Luke had back when he was lukeford.com, you have to answer to your sponsors.
When he reported what he wanted to report, he sometimes opened himself to lawsuits. Even lawsuits without merit must be defended or you end up with default judgments against you. It takes a very strong individual to become a w r i t e r. Those I know who w r i t e for a living are torn between saying what they really want to say and doing toned-down stories which will please their employers and/or sponsors.
The bright light today is that justice can prevail if you fight for your rights. Look what happened with Sweet. They won on all counts. Gary Kremen won against VeriSign. Lew Payne won against PayPal. These guys are fighters. But they have money to fight. Luke does not have the funds to fight for his rights. Therefore, the truth must come out on the boards.Comment
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I was just kidding about your pen name being Loose Boards. For the record I agree with you in principle.Originally posted by MicroChick
CD, every w r i t e r who works for someone has the same problem. You have to answer to your *boss!* Even if you work for yourself and you have your own website like Luke had back when he was lukeford.com, you have to answer to your sponsors.
When he reported what he wanted to report, he sometimes opened himself to lawsuits. Even lawsuits without merit must be defended or you end up with default judgments against you. It takes a very strong individual to become a w r i t e r. Those I know who w r i t e for a living are torn between saying what they really want to say and doing toned-down stories which will please their employers and/or sponsors.
The bright light today is that justice can prevail if you fight for your rights. Look what happened with Sweet. They won on all counts. Gary Kremen won against VeriSign. Lew Payne won against PayPal. These guys are fighters. But they have money to fight. Luke does not have the funds to fight for his rights. Therefore, the truth must come out on the boards.
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please purcahse a brainOriginally posted by MicroChick
Lensman, please do not give in to A-V-N's pressure.
"Ross never consented to be tape recorded by Adultbeat.com gossipmonger Luke Ford, which, according to AVN attorney Paul Cambria, is a prosecutable felony. "
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...ntent_ID=81432.
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Why not accept his resignation? He's the one that offered it up.. Lens didn't fire him to my knowledge. If he couldn't accept the slap on the wrist by having his story pulled then he needs to hahahahaha less "controversial" material or have it approved before posting it. Otherwise accept that there are limitations as to what you can and cannot hahahahaha and go on about the job.Comment
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Cambria is not GOD. I just spoke to my attorney in Florida. The laws change from state to state regarding recording a conversation between you and another person who hasn't been informed that you are taping. However, if a party is on a stupid speakerphone like in Luke's case, he is right about the privacy issue being null and void. Anyone could walk into the room while the conversation is in progress. There is no expectancy of privacy in this case.
And as Luke said, he did not agree to remain silent. It's a hyped up BS case from A-V-N. I think I would rather hire Sweet's attorney and let Cambia continue his scare tactics with A-V-N.Comment
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Jesus it's just fucking bullshit porn gossip and you're talking like you tards are saving the fucking world, curing and aids and ending world hunger. Get a grip on reality.Originally posted by MicroChick
CD, every w r i t e r who works for someone has the same problem. You have to answer to your *boss!* Even if you work for yourself and you have your own website like Luke had back when he was lukeford.com, you have to answer to your sponsors.
When he reported what he wanted to report, he sometimes opened himself to lawsuits. Even lawsuits without merit must be defended or you end up with default judgments against you. It takes a very strong individual to become a w r i t e r. Those I know who w r i t e for a living are torn between saying what they really want to say and doing toned-down stories which will please their employers and/or sponsors.
The bright light today is that justice can prevail if you fight for your rights. Look what happened with Sweet. They won on all counts. Gary Kremen won against VeriSign. Lew Payne won against PayPal. These guys are fighters. But they have money to fight. Luke does not have the funds to fight for his rights. Therefore, the truth must come out on the boards.Comment
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There are, however, real issues here that are worth some discussion, such as freedom of speech, right to privacy, etc.... issues that probably don't amount to a hill of beans to the average disinterested onlooker.Originally posted by Digipimp
Jesus it's just fucking bullshit porn gossip and you're talking like you tards are saving the fucking world, curing and aids and ending world hunger. Get a grip on reality.
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Digi, you are so misinformed. Let me take you by the hand and show you the way.
This case is not about *porn gossip!* It is about an innocent person being threatened by a big bad attorney. Doesn't Cambria have better things to do than to yell and scream at Luke?
Two attorneys have told me that the speakerphone conversation was not protected. We are talking about a famous attorney threatening a w r i t e r with a felony. A-V-N should be ashamed that they didn't handle this matter in private.
Lensman, who is your attorney? Didn't you check with your lawfirm to find out if a speakerphone conversation is protected when the person on the phone is talking to a large group of individuals with others walking in and out of the room? Unprotected speech, just like unprotected double anal sex without a condom. There was no condom in this situation protecting the speakerphone voice.
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Originally posted by Lensman
If he's gonna post stuff that explictly stated "off the record", then he doesn't need to work for me.
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For once I respect Luke Ford, I never thought I'd say that. Any good journalist would resign as soon as his publisher pulled a truthful story.
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How many publishers would let a story run that was illegally obtained? None that I know of. I'm not a judge to I'm not saying the recording was illegal, but why take chances?Originally posted by Rich
For once I respect Luke Ford, I never thought I'd say that. Any good journalist would resign as soon as his publisher pulled a truthful story.
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Who cares? That's what lawyers do for a living is threaten people with lawsuits. However I don't see where you can tell me how a lawyer can charge someone with a crime. You say a lawyer is threatening a felony, yet lawyers have no jurisdiction to charge crimes. So get over yourself and all this bullshit and read up on the world and get yourself some real knowledge.Originally posted by MicroChick
Digi, you are so misinformed. Let me take you by the hand and show you the way.
This case is not about *porn gossip!* It is about an innocent person being threatened by a big bad attorney. Doesn't Cambria have better things to do than to yell and scream at Luke?
Two attorneys have told me that the speakerphone conversation was not protected. We are talking about a famous attorney threatening a w r i t e r with a felony. A-V-N should be ashamed that they didn't handle this matter in private.
Lensman, who is your attorney? Didn't you check with your lawfirm to find out if a speakerphone conversation is protected when the person on the phone is talking to a large group of individuals with others walking in and out of the room? Unprotected speech, just like unprotected double anal sex without a condom. There was no condom in this situation protecting the speakerphone voice.
And CD rarely did Duke Floorer/ Luke Ford actually address any issues that are important, he copied and pasted porn gossip 90% of the time. He was not on AdultBeat to discuss big monumental important issues and if he did no one would have read it and he would still be doing it.Comment
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You people need to realize what the first ammendment protects and what it doesnt. It doesn't protect you on the internet obviously. Since the internet is not a USA entity but a world entitity. Secondly the first ammedment does not protect you to say what you want if it hurtful to others and not true. Thirdly, it does not protect you in private institutes. I does not overhahahahaha tresspassing.Originally posted by MicroChick
Mischief, everyone cuts and pastes.
You are overlooking the key element in this situation. Luke has never backed down. He goes for the truth. If he makes a mistake in judgment or if the facts get twisted, he admits it.
Luke's First Amendment rights are being eliminated. He has the right to report his stories. Up until this time, Lensman has welcomed his reporting and his writing. A big high profile attorney enters the picture and free speech is squelched.
So don't bring free speech into this. Everything is fine. If this guy was getting sent to prison for what he said then youd have a Free Speech issue.IcooCash - DVD Content for your TGP
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Seems to me, Miss Confucy, that, like many of your diatribes, arguing this is sort of like signing a dead man up for a fitness club, don't you think??
Lens said his bit, from what I saw.Last edited by LadyMischief; 04-23-2004, 03:20 PM.Comment
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And to clarify for you. Speaking with someone off the record and then reporting what was said is an ethics issue as a reporter, w riter or whatever. People don't speak off the record to just anyone and everyone that says alright off the record tell me this or that. They speak with someone who they trust not to reveal that information because of a built up relationship.
If you then go and reveal information that was given to you in trust, it's not illegal but it compromises you in the future. No longer will people speak with you off the record and in large part they won't speak with you on the record either because you've compromised yourself and ethics.
So there's a little lesson for you to go and study and figure out.Comment
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I've read adultbeat often, and I agree with you on that. But that doesn't mean I can't engage in <i>this</i> discussion, and a few of your comments seem to be of a discouraging nature for this discussion, as in people are retards for wanting to talk about a few things.Originally posted by Digipimp
And CD rarely did Duke Floorer/ Luke Ford actually address any issues that are important, he copied and pasted porn gossip 90% of the time. He was not on AdultBeat to discuss big monumental important issues and if he did no one would have read it and he would still be doing it.
I've always figured that if people want to discuss something, who am I to tell them they can't, or shouldn't?
At this point in the thread though I definitely stand by what I said earlier, that being pretty much everything that needed to be said has been said. Time to let the issue be what it will be.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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Mischief, I may be very wrong, but I think Lensman likes to get to the truth about matters which concern him. He has given LF the freedom to report as he sees fit. This time, a powerhouse like A-V-N started bitching. There are always two sides or more to a conflict. I don't think Lensman heard the truth from A-V-N.
It is so easy to make judgments against people who are just words on the screen. Mischief, you are one I stuck in a corner with a bunch of other bitchy females. Then I started to read more of your posts. You are an intelligent woman. And I think you are entered in the Miss GFY contest. If they are giving extra points to the females who post a lot, then you should be in the top five.
We both get carried away at times. However, in this case, I think we need to hear the *entire story* so we can voice our concerns if LF is being unfairly treated.
Most of the GFYers are too damn lazy to cover all the boards and keep current. LF made it easy for everyone to read his site, and know that he has done their surfing for them. But don't forget that under all the cutting and pasting, there is a w r i t e r/r e p o r t e r who searches for the truth behind all the on-screen BS. LF can hold his own with any crowd. We should feel lucky that he has been in the porn business all these years entertaining and informing us.Comment
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CD, I'm waiting for new information to be posted.
What has really been said? Not much of anything except the opinions of many who do not have a clue what happened. I thought A-V-N or someone in the know would come forward. Wishful thinking. I also thought attorneys might come forward and tell us what they thought about the protected or unprotected phone call on a speakerphone.
I also was hoping that someone would post the url's for the A-V-N stories which were negative about LF. And, I was hoping LF might give us the stories that were not allowed to appear on adultbeat.com
If a thread can continue for pages and pages talking about what *I would hit* or *you will get $250 if you are the last post*...then I think a thread concerning the number one hahahahahar for Lensman's website deserves some attention.Comment
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Keep hope alive.Originally posted by MicroChick
CD, I'm waiting for new information to be posted.
What has really been said? Not much of anything except the opinions of many who do not have a clue what happened. I thought A-V-N or someone in the know would come forward. Wishful thinking. I also thought attorneys might come forward and tell us what they thought about the protected or unprotected phone call on a speakerphone.
I also was hoping that someone would post the url's for the A-V-N stories which were negative about LF. And, I was hoping LF might give us the stories that were not allowed to appear on adultbeat.com
If a thread can continue for pages and pages talking about what *I would hit* or *you will get $250 if you are the last post*...then I think a thread concerning the number one hahahahahar for Lensman's website deserves some attention.
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Well, no problem then... Who am I to stand in the way of a good discussion? ha haOriginally posted by MicroChick
CD, I'm waiting for new information to be posted.
What has really been said? Not much of anything except the opinions of many who do not have a clue what happened. I thought A-V-N or someone in the know would come forward. Wishful thinking. I also thought attorneys might come forward and tell us what they thought about the protected or unprotected phone call on a speakerphone.
I also was hoping that someone would post the url's for the A-V-N stories which were negative about LF. And, I was hoping LF might give us the stories that were not allowed to appear on adultbeat.com
If a thread can continue for pages and pages talking about what *I would hit* or *you will get $250 if you are the last post*...then I think a thread concerning the number one hahahahahar for Lensman's website deserves some attention.
I'm a tad doubtful mind you, but who knows? Those people may very well come and post here like you said. I'll say this much Confucy.... if you posted more I can see your sig being worth a couple grand easy.
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Well this is between lensmen and who ever this guy is. But personaly if i was his boss and he did something "illegal" and i felt it was best to take it down and then he put his resignation because off that i would let him go. Lens calls was goes and if he cant respect lensmens decision theh best that they part ways.
. what state did this have in?Microchick just curious why are you pushing this issue so hard. It sounds like you have just as much info as we all do. For all you kmow they might have worked everything out. By judgeing from some of these post by others this guy is not well like. You are correct when you say laws very from state to state. What state did this happen in?Nvgcash.com Affiliate Program
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CD, you are difficult not to like. I'm so use to be pounded into the ground by my *I hate confucy* fans, that I expect you to turn into Oprano Gonzo at any second and produce more ugly pictures which you swear are me.
I don't post that much on GFY compared to the masses. But when I feel there is a big injustice taking place, then I go on and on.
Those who fight for their rights impress me. I have been a Gary Kremen supporter since '95. I don't know the Sweets, but I supported them, too. I think of Luke Ford as a fighter. He is attacked unmercifully daily by people who know nothing about him except the lies that his haters spread.
Luke had the best internet radio show of all time. He never censored anyone in his chatroom. He was totally laid back. He archived his shows and his chatroom transcripts. He had great guests. He had great co-hosts. Luke tackles the big guys, and he creates controversy.
I don't want to lose him. That is why I'm here doing my diatribe, as LadyMischief claimed. Instead of letting Luke go, I think Lensman should open a radio show with Luke as the host.
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They are on Duck's diatribe. I thought you read the things DuckOriginally posted by MicroChick
I also was hoping that someone would post the url's for the A-V-N stories which were negative about LF. And, I was hoping LF might give us the stories that were not allowed to appear on adultbeat.com
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ICU, I assume the conversation took place in California which is where LF lives. I spoke to an attorney in Florida and two in California. It doesn't appear that LF did anything illegal. Is Cambria on A-V-N's payroll with a monthly retainer? I wouldn't doubt it.
Luke is a messenger. Nobody likes messengers. They get kicked in the ass and stabbed in the back for passing on the news.
ICU, don't allow the negative comments of a few Luke haters to convince you that he is disliked by many. Those who like Luke are not coming forward. Many are GFY readers, but they don't post unless they are talking about their programs.
For instance, Gary Kremen is a walking encyclopedia. He has worked with a lot of losers......and a few winners. He knows Luke. He likes Luke. KB, why aren't you saying something nice about Luke? You know him.
The *peaches* of the world talk as though they are experts on the subject of LF. They know nothing.Comment
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if any of you have ever been sued, which i doubt 99% here have, it can be VERY VERY costly.
in the U.S. court system your guilty untill proven innocent.
I doubt lensman has that kind of money nor does he want the hassle.
if lens does have cash, why waste it on a fucking hack, a plagersit, a proven liar who has done nothing but brought negativity to the adult industry?
yea luke may bring some traffic but its not worth the hassle. it was just a matter of time before luke fucked up.
lens is better off without ford.Last edited by jonesy; 04-23-2004, 04:28 PM..
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the more confucy posts the funnier this thread is
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his First Amemdment rights do not include violation of California State Law, which from what I have read, he feels he does not need to comply with.Originally posted by MicroChick
Mischief, everyone cuts and pastes.
You are overlooking the key element in this situation. Luke has never backed down. He goes for the truth. If he makes a mistake in judgment or if the facts get twisted, he admits it.
Luke's First Amendment rights are being eliminated. He has the right to report his stories. Up until this time, Lensman has welcomed his reporting and his writing. A big high profile attorney enters the picture and free speech is squelched.
It has nothing to do with whether or not he agreed to keep anything off the record, taping a telephjone conversation without permission of all parties is illegal in CA.
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You must be a "*peaches* of the world"Originally posted by Digipimp
the more confucy posts the funnier this thread is
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Jonesy, you are right. Lawsuits are extremely time consuming and expensive, even the ones in small claims court.
But, if Lensman had backed LF and stood his ground with the A-V-N crew, I'm sure the matter could have been settled quickly without lawsuits, more threats, and a whole lot of bullshit.
What is a businessman supposed to do when one of his employees is threatened with legal actions? Does he back up his employee right from the beginning until he knows all the facts? Or does he immediately stick his head in his ass and fire the employee because he has the fear of a lawsuit?
My employers have been mixed. Some have supported and protected me because they trusted me, and others have taken the first easy way out.
I thought Lensman was the type who would take a strong stand to protect his employees. Look at all the times he made exceptions for Amputate. He backed him even when he was totally out of control. I thought he would do the same for Luke.Comment
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Excuse me, did you read or just cut and paste the relevant passage?Originally posted by Deepundercover
Regarding the CA state law about taping phone conversations. The relevant passage is here: "Eavesdropping upon or recording a conversation, whether by telephone (including cordless or cellular telephone) or in person, that a person would reasonably expect to be confined to the parties present, carries the same penalty as intercepting telephone or wire communications."
The conversation in question was on a speaker phone with about a dozen persons present, many of whom were engaged in the conversation. Scott Ross could have no presumption that the conversation would be confined to parties present as he knew he was on a speaker phone and he knew he was talking to a room full of people such as Rob Spallone and Bill Margold. The proof that he was aware of this is that he said, "I do not want this on Adultbeat." He would not have bothered saying this if he had the presumption the call was completely private.
"Off the record" is a contract that must be agreed to by all parties involved. One party cannot unilaterally declare anything is "off the record" and expect that to be binding if the other party does not agree.
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Baddog, read the facts. Check the penal code before you start preaching about illegal taping. This was a friggin' speakerphone, not a one on one private conversation.Comment
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Based on this thread that YOU STARTED, we can only assume you know Duck resigned. He wasn't fired. Or are you just making up other random situations so you can cause drama?Originally posted by MicroChick
Or does he immediately stick his head in his ass and fire the employee because he has the fear of a lawsuit?
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Confucy - when someone leaves a message on an answering machine, both parties know and agree that the conversation is being tapedOriginally posted by MicroChick
When people leave messages on your answering machine, it's as though those messages are being given to the world. I would think a speakerphone would be like a voicemail/answering machine since the party on the phone was aware that many were listening to his voice.Comment
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It does not matter that it is a speakerphone. He still had the right to know if he was being taped or not - a person would reasonably expect to be confined to the parties present - does not imply or state that there is a limit of two to the parties presentOriginally posted by MicroChick
Baddog, read the facts. Check the penal code before you start preaching about illegal taping. This was a friggin' speakerphone, not a one on one private conversation.Comment
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Where does the penal code address it must be a one on one conversation? In this instance the speakerphone was used to enable more than two people to correspond verbally via the telephone, not to enable someone to record without the knowledge of all parties and then publish the conversation. If they knew they were being recorded and it would be published, they wouldn't be complaining, would they?Originally posted by MicroChick
Baddog, read the facts. Check the penal code before you start preaching about illegal taping. This was a friggin' speakerphone, not a one on one private conversation.Comment
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Peaches, you would have no life if you couldn't follow me around from thread to thread -- board to board, with your idiotic comments. Baddog, Peaches is looking for a boyfriend. I think the two of you would be perfect for each other.
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It's a slow night - I've been working all day and I have plans for early in the AM so it's silly to go out now. As I've said before, you are some of the best free entertainment on the internet, you crave atttention and I'm more than happy to obligeOriginally posted by MicroChick
Peaches, you would have no life if you couldn't follow me around from thread to thread -- board to board, with your idiotic comments. Baddog, Peaches is looking for a boyfriend. I think the two of you would be perfect for each other.
Baddog, beware, I have a really big ass
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Peaches.................Baddog!
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Record each other! Then do some research to discover what the law says about one on one taping, message machine taping, and speakerphone taping.
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that tooOriginally posted by undermyspell
Why not accept his resignation? He's the one that offered it up.. Lens didn't fire him to my knowledge. If he couldn't accept the slap on the wrist by having his story pulled then he needs to hahahahaha less "controversial" material or have it approved before posting it. Otherwise accept that there are limitations as to what you can and cannot hahahahaha and go on about the job.Comment
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For someone with such a strong aversion to court, you sure do have a lot of attorneys.Originally posted by MicroChick
Cambria is not GOD. I just spoke to my attorney in Florida. The laws change from state to state regarding recording a conversation between you and another person who hasn't been informed that you are taping. However, if a party is on a stupid speakerphone like in Luke's case, he is right about the privacy issue being null and void. Anyone could walk into the room while the conversation is in progress. There is no expectancy of privacy in this case.
And as Luke said, he did not agree to remain silent. It's a hyped up BS case from A-V-N. I think I would rather hire Sweet's attorney and let Cambia continue his scare tactics with A-V-N.
When I first read this I didn't like the idea of the story being yanked, but after I went back and read LF's article and the AVN article, I have to agree with Lensman.
Scott Ross clearly did not want to go on record with AdultBeat, and he plainly said so. Just because he's on a speakerphone, doesn't justify taping him without his approval. Having a private conversation with several people and using a speakerphone, is no different than having each person on a separate line. You could still allow someone to listen in and/or tape the call, and that wouldn't be right either.
I'm not a fan of AVN, especially after reading the trainwreck they put up last week about the HIV testing, so I honestly didn't want to be on their side. But after reading that Ross said, "I don?t want this conversation up on Adultbeat" and also mentioned LF by name, then having Spallone agree to it, I don't think it should have been taped.
It's unreasonable to expect someone to ask, "Luke Ford is not secretly sitting in the room taping me, is he?" Ross was clear about his wishes regarding what he was saying. However, I do think the article Trent Brown put up about the whole deal was purely snotty and childish. They should have just emailed it to LF privately, since it was obviously written as a direct message to him.War National Damn Champions EagleComment
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Your attorney in FL needs to read CA law. Speakerphones are not designated to be any different under state law. Unless, of course, you have a reliance to prove different.Originally posted by MicroChick
Cambria is not GOD. I just spoke to my attorney in Florida. The laws change from state to state regarding recording a conversation between you and another person who hasn't been informed that you are taping. However, if a party is on a stupid speakerphone like in Luke's case, he is right about the privacy issue being null and void. Anyone could walk into the room while the conversation is in progress. There is no expectancy of privacy in this case.
And as Luke said, he did not agree to remain silent. It's a hyped up BS case from A-V-N. I think I would rather hire Sweet's attorney and let Cambia continue his scare tactics with A-V-N.Comment
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