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04-21-2004, 06:08 AM

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Germany lost the war...thus it prooved not to be in their best interests...to have engaged in the actions that they took.

oh so it means the only reason that was not their Best Interest cause they lost war?

i thought that was because THEY LOST AND KILLED A LOT OF INNOCENT LIVES

i repeat you are ARROGANT, INHUMANE AND UNCIVILIZED!
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04-21-2004, 06:08 AM

theking You are not right
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04-21-2004, 06:08 AM

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oh Supporting Al Qaeda and Taliban was The Best Interest which turned TO BE NOT THE BEST!

The US has never supported al Qaeda...but we did supply the Taliban with financial aid and even after 9/11 they received aid but not for long...and providing financial aid to the Taliban is open to debate as regards being a good thing or a bad thing. A very subjective topic.

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04-21-2004, 06:10 AM

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oh so it means the only reason that was not their Best Interest cause they lost war?

i thought that was because THEY LOST AND KILLED A LOT OF INNOCENT LIVES

i repeat you are ARROGANT, INHUMANE AND UNCIVILIZED!
plus you bullshit too much

In answer to the question...that is obivious. As for your opinions of me...noted...but it is not of any import to me...kid.

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04-21-2004, 06:10 AM

Originally posted by theking

The US has never supported al Qaeda...but we did supply the Taliban with financial aid and even after 9/11 they received aid but not for long...and providing financial aid to the Taliban is open to debate as regards being a good thing or a bad thing. A very subjective topic.

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1980s: U.S. trains Osama bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets. CIA gives them $3 billion
2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in "aid."
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04-21-2004, 06:11 AM

Whut we hev h'yar is a faihhh-urrre to comm-un-icate...

On the one hand we have a hand full of people who cannot speak English very well, so that discounts their comprehension thereof to a degree... If you can't speak it, you can't understand the nuances...

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04-21-2004, 06:12 AM

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In answer to the question...that is obivious. As for your opinions of me...noted...but it is not of any import to me...kid.

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04-21-2004, 06:12 AM

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04-21-2004, 06:12 AM

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04-21-2004, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by spamofon

HELLO IT IS ME THE HISTORY FACT BOOK! OPEN YOUR EYES AND READ ME! PLEASE AND THANK YOU

1980s: U.S. trains Osama bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets. CIA gives them $3 billion
2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in "aid."

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Originally posted by spamofon

oh Supporting Al Qaeda and Taliban was The Best Interest which turned TO BE NOT THE BEST!
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There was not an al Qaeda organization at that point in time. Try again.

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04-21-2004, 06:15 AM

Stop to argue.
TheKing under authority of propagation.
All world against USA - when the question is war. TheKing, understand, War is NOT CORRECTLY!
War it Shit!

Any interests can not be justified by war!
Each person irrespective of a nationality has the right to life!
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04-21-2004, 06:15 AM

Originally posted by spamofon

NAZI!

Wrong...I am not now and have never been a member of the Nazi party...but you are used to being wrong...aren't you kid?

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04-21-2004, 06:16 AM

Well there is not point in arguying with inhumane fuck who thinks taking innocent lives is OK for the National Corporate Gain
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04-21-2004, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by theking

The US has never supported al Qaeda...but we did supply the Taliban with financial aid and even after 9/11 they received aid but not for long...and providing financial aid to the Taliban is open to debate as regards being a good thing or a bad thing. A very subjective topic.

Al'Quaeda is an organization founded by Taliban (which course never been supported by the States) and the former agent of CIA Mr. Bin Laden (which also never been supported by the States because CIA is not the US service, since it (the CIA) is a Chinese or Russian one...) Sounds like a bull shit. Isn't it? As I already said earlier you are typical victim of military propaganda. I'm not trying to insult you. On the contrary I'm feel really sorry for you

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04-21-2004, 06:17 AM

Originally posted by LOVE
Stop to argue.
TheKing under authority of propagation.
All world against USA - when the question is war. TheKing, understand, War is NOT CORRECTLY!
War it Shit!

Any interests can not be justified by war!
Each person irrespective of a nationality has the right to life!
Do not assimilate to an animal!

King is an animal
Killing is ok, if you get profit from it
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04-21-2004, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by cyberxxx
Al'Quaeda is an organization founded by Taliban (which course never been supported by the States) and the former agent of CIA Mr. Bin Laden (which also never been supported by the States because CIA is not the US service, since it (the CIA) is a Chinese or Russian one...) Sounds like a bull shit. Isn't it? As I already said earlier you are typical victim of military propaganda. I'm not trying to insult you. On the contrary I'm feel really sorry for you

I really hope that not a lot of people like him are that brainwashed. Propably an ex-soldier.
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04-21-2004, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by theking

Acting in ones perceived best National Interest is not propaganda...but of course building a case for the peoples consumption always utilizes "propaganda" at least to some extent...nothing new about that.

Never said it was.

This is;

"I strongly believe he was trying to reconstitute his nuclear weapons program."

Source: President Bush, Prime Minister Blair Discuss War on Terrorism, White House

"We recently found two mobile biological weapons facilities which were capable of producing biological agents."

Source: President Talks to Troops in Qatar, White House (6/5/2003).

"Here's what -- we've discovered a weapons system, biological labs, that Iraq denied she had, and labs that were prohibited under the U.N. resolutions."

Source: President Bush, Russian President Putin Sign Treaty of Moscow, White House (6/1/2003).

"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them."

Source: Interview of the President by TVP, Poland, White House (5/29/2003).

"The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001 -- and still goes on. That terrible morning, 19 evil men -- the shock troops of a hateful ideology -- gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the 'beginning of the end of America.' By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation's resolve, and force our retreat from the world. They have failed."

Source: President Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended, White House (5/1/2003).

even the american government website these direct quotes come from is propaganda of sorts
http://www.house.gov/reform/min/feat...on_the_record/

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04-21-2004, 06:20 AM

Originally posted by LOVE
Stop to argue.
TheKing under authority of propagation.
All world against USA - when the question is war. TheKing, understand, War is NOT CORRECTLY!
War it Shit!

Any interests can not be justified by war!
Each person irrespective of a nationality has the right to life!
Do not assimilate to an animal!

If you are not of another planet...you assuredly are a human animal. There have been over 14,000 known wars but you are free to feel that all of them were not justified. I disagree.

I disagree that every person has a "right" to life.

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04-21-2004, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by LOVE
Stop to argue.
TheKing under authority of propagation.
All world against USA - when the question is war. TheKing, understand, War is NOT CORRECTLY!
War it Shit!

Any interests can not be justified by war!
Each person irrespective of a nationality has the right to life!
Do not assimilate to an animal!

Thank you.

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04-21-2004, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by theking

If you are not of another planet...you assuredly are a human animal. There have been over 14,000 known wars but you are free to feel that all of them were not justified. I disagree.

I disagree that every person has a "right" to life.

even inhumane bastards like you have a right to live

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04-21-2004, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by spamofon
Well there is not point in arguying with inhumane fuck who thinks taking innocent lives is OK for the National Corporate Gain

Where did I say anything about it being "OK for the National Corporate Gain"?

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04-21-2004, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by theking

Where did I say anything about it being "OK for the National Corporate Gain"?

There is nothing NATIONAL in USA it is ALL COPRORATE!
get used to it
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04-21-2004, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by spamofon

even inhumane bastards like you have a right to live

you are wrong

Do not insult him. The insulting is wrong as well. He juts has been brainwashed, so please give some sympathy to him.

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04-21-2004, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by theking
I disagree that every person has a "right" to life.

SHIT
But who decides, to whom to live?
Tomorrow the neighbour will decide, that you should not live! And you will be killed!

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04-21-2004, 06:29 AM

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Never said it was.

This is;

"I strongly believe he was trying to reconstitute his nuclear weapons program."

Source: President Bush, Prime Minister Blair Discuss War on Terrorism, White House

"We recently found two mobile biological weapons facilities which were capable of producing biological agents."

Source: President Talks to Troops in Qatar, White House (6/5/2003).

"Here's what -- we've discovered a weapons system, biological labs, that Iraq denied she had, and labs that were prohibited under the U.N. resolutions."

Source: President Bush, Russian President Putin Sign Treaty of Moscow, White House (6/1/2003).

"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them."

Source: Interview of the President by TVP, Poland, White House (5/29/2003).

"The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001 -- and still goes on. That terrible morning, 19 evil men -- the shock troops of a hateful ideology -- gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the 'beginning of the end of America.' By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation's resolve, and force our retreat from the world. They have failed."

Source: President Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended, White House (5/1/2003).

even the american government website these direct quotes come from is propaganda of sorts
http://www.house.gov/reform/min/feat...on_the_record/

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The 14 US intel agencies...as well as British...Israel...German...and French intel all concurred as to Iraq having WMD's/WMD materials...so it was not exactly untruful "propaganda". It was building a case based upon "known" intel.

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04-21-2004, 06:33 AM

Originally posted by theking

The 14 US intel agencies...as well as British...Israel...German...and French intel all concurred as to Iraq having WMD's/WMD materials...so it was not exactly untruful "propaganda". It was building a case based upon "known" intel.

I dont know what News were YOU watching, and what cave were you hidding for the Last two years. But French and Germans were against War in Iraq as well as WHOLE UN. Bush broke the UN Laws when he attacked Iraq.

Israel and UK does not considers to be a good INTEL, cause all they do is just play Along!
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04-21-2004, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by cyberxxx
Al'Quaeda is an organization founded by Taliban (which course never been supported by the States) and the former agent of CIA Mr. Bin Laden (which also never been supported by the States because CIA is not the US service, since it (the CIA) is a Chinese or Russian one...) Sounds like a bull shit. Isn't it? As I already said earlier you are typical victim of military propaganda. I'm not trying to insult you. On the contrary I'm feel really sorry for you

* In approximately 1989, bin Laden and co-defendant Muhammad Atef founded "Al Qaeda," " an international terrorist group ... which was dedicated to opposing non-Islamic governments with force and violence."

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04-21-2004, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by spamofon

There is nothing NATIONAL in USA it is ALL COPRORATE!
get used to it

Corporations are of course a part of the structure of the US...but National Interests extend beyond Coporate Interests.

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04-21-2004, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by theking

Corporations are of course a part of the structure of the US...but National Interests extend beyond Coporate Interests.

do you really believe what you post?

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04-21-2004, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by LOVE

SHIT
But who decides, to whom to live?
Tomorrow the neighbour will decide, that you should not live! And you will be killed!

I have made that decision on occasion.

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04-21-2004, 06:42 AM

my parents taught me when i was 5 years old not to argue with idiots, cause you will go down to their level

after this thread my IQ dropped 30%

there is no point to argue with you, beacause you are just plain silly brainwashed who can not think outside the box
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04-21-2004, 06:44 AM

Originally posted by spamofon

I dont know what News were YOU watching, and what cave were you hidding for the Last two years. But French and Germans were against War in Iraq as well as WHOLE UN. Bush broke the UN Laws when he attacked Iraq.

Israel and UK does not considers to be a good INTEL, cause all they do is just play Along!

Where did I say that the French and Germans were not against the war? They had their own agenda...but does not alter the fact that their intel concurred with US intel.

Wrong the whole UN was not against the war in Iraq and approximately 40 of them joined us in the waging of the war. The US does not and should not answer to the UN...ever...in my opinion.

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04-21-2004, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by spamofon

do you really believe what you post?

Of course...since the post is a fact.

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04-21-2004, 06:47 AM

Originally posted by spamofon
my parents taught me when i was 5 years old not to argue with idiots, cause you will go down to their level

after this thread my IQ dropped 30%

there is no point to argue with you, beacause you are just plain silly brainwashed who can not think outside the box

Hmm...that would now indicate that your IQ is around 40?

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04-21-2004, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by theking

Hmm...that would now indicate that your IQ is around 40?

yes 40

TWICE more then you have
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04-21-2004, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by theking
Where did I say that the French and Germans were not against the war? They had their own agenda...but does not alter the fact that their intel concurred with US intel.

Agreed they had their own agenda.
No it didn't, noone had proof that Iraq have WMD's or that it was even a threat.

Wrong the whole UN was not against the war in Iraq and approximately 40 of them joined us in the waging of the war. The US does not and should not answer to the UN...ever...in my opinion.

Like who? Honduras and Dominican Republic who are now removing there troops from Iraq? Intimidating or blackmailing or paying off other countries to join you in that war doesn't mean that they support that war.
While at it, why not go back to Vietnam again?

The UN? You should be thankfull that the UN exists. Or maybe you prefer that more countries do like what Saudi Arabia and Israel does and use lobbies, pressure groups and money to buy US support? That wouldn't be too good for the independance of the US.
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04-21-2004, 07:05 AM

Bomb our most important ally in the middle ease Israel?

WTF?

That's our primary point country to keep the Arabs in check. You think the weapons grade plutonium got there all by itself?

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04-21-2004, 07:18 AM

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...and of course Germany made a mistake...

The senceless murdering of 3 million people can be chalked up to a mistake in your opinion? Correct me if I'm wrong in understanding your remark please.

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04-21-2004, 07:19 AM

Originally posted by Roger

Like who? Honduras and Dominican Republic who are now removing there troops from Iraq? Intimidating or blackmailing or paying off other countries to join you in that war doesn't mean that they support that war.
While at it, why not go back to Vietnam again?

The UN? You should be thankfull that the UN exists. Or maybe you prefer that more countries do like what Saudi Arabia and Israel does and use lobbies, pressure groups and money to buy US support? That wouldn't be too good for the independance of the US.

The DCI...George Tenet testified that the French and German intel were in concurence with US intel and in fact some of the intel was provided by French and German intel...and I believe that the Secretary of State...Colin Powell has made the same statements. There have not been any denials of this by the French or German governments that I am aware of. Maybe you can provide their denials.

It does not make any difference the size of the 40 countries...as the clown stated that the whole UN was against the war....and of course he is wrong.

The UN should exist...as the debating society that it is...but the US should never decide policy or action based upon UN approval...if the US perceives that not to act would have an intolerable adverse effect upon US interests.

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04-21-2004, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by Kenny B!

The senceless murdering of 3 million people can be chalked up to a mistake in your opinion? Correct me if I'm wrong in understanding your remark please.

I do not know what 3 million people you are speaking about? If I am not mistaken the 2nd World War took a death toll in the range of 50 million people. Germany was mistaken in their perception of what was in their best National Interest...in that they lost the war.

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04-21-2004, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by theking
The DCI...George Tenet testified that the French and German intel were in concurence with US intel and in fact some of the intel was provided by French and German intel...and I believe that the Secretary of State...Colin Powell has made the same statements. There have not been any denials of this by the French or German governments that I am aware of. Maybe you can provide their denials.

George Tenet? What does the guy have to do to get fired? What intel? You yourself said that Germany and France where working for there own interests, not to mention that they seemed that they where going to support the war.

Israel, Saddam's enemy was pretty quite though. Even though they approved of the war they didn't make any public declarations that'd make them look stupid once the war is over.

Who do the intelligence services employ? Retards? Conspiracy theorists? Even I knew that Saddam was no threat and I only have average intelligence and a good understanding of the Middle-East.

The UN should exist...as the debating society that it is...but the US should never decide policy or action based upon UN approval...if the US perceives that not to act would have an intolerable adverse effect upon US interests.

It's up to them, they're a super power. If this is the way they wanna lead the world, then so be it. If they wanna be more like China and don't wanna follow the rules that they themselves established, it's their decision.

The perceptions that some cowards have towards other countries isn't exactly the truth.
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04-21-2004, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by dav555add
I will be #1
I will fuck whoever I have to fuck to be #1
Is that understood?

Now, that is the way 99.99% of all countries in that planet work.
You gotta do what you gotta do to make sure you come out ahead.
If you think otherwise, you are nothing but a dumb utopist living in a dream world...

Just make sure not to fuck with my country again because the first thing you'll receive as a gift from me will be your family and friends in bodybags in the colors of your flag. Being #1 has a cost.

Understood Mr #1?
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04-21-2004, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by theking
The 14 US intel agencies...as well as British...Israel...German...and French intel all concurred as to Iraq having WMD's/WMD materials...so it was not exactly untruful "propaganda". It was building a case based upon "known" intel.

you're a stubborn bastard, i never said anything about it being truthful or not
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04-21-2004, 04:47 PM

Just think of it, America is allowed to have all kinds of stuff and thinks that other countries who have it too is dangerous. Maybe they think the other countries will use it against them!
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04-21-2004, 04:51 PM

I would say though, that the greatest and most convincing deceptions in history have mostly been created with a combination of truth and lies.
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04-21-2004, 05:43 PM

You're either with us or you're with the terrorists...

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04-22-2004, 01:39 AM

So if America bombs Israel and one of Israel's ally retaliates, just think what kind of a world we shall be living in!

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