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i cant beleave a thread about email spam made 3 pages
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hmm..complaining about spam is kind of passe after being online for a little while
especially when email addresses are so easy to captureTelegram PhoenixBrad
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Was there a pun intended there?Originally posted by Phoenix
hmm..complaining about spam is kind of passe after being online for a little while
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One complaint does not mean the person is a spammer, even people complain on tripple opt in lists.
Dave having the persons e-mail address removed is pretty common. I do the same thing for our mailers. If a person asks to be removed I pass it on to the mailer. They either remove it or don't get paid, they always remove it.
Zero tolerance to spammers, the guy didn't spam if Dave only got one complaint.
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Originally posted by TheDoc
One complaint does not mean the person is a spammer, even people complain on tripple opt in lists.
Dave having the persons e-mail address removed is pretty common. I do the same thing for our mailers. If a person asks to be removed I pass it on to the mailer. They either remove it or don't get paid, they always remove it.
Zero tolerance to spammers, the guy didn't spam if Dave only got one complaint.
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What a crock of shit. The guy spammed several of my boxes over the course of a week. Don't fucking tell me the guy didn't spam. Why publish a TOS if you have no intention of following it? Is that supposed to be how an honest business is run? I think not.Originally posted by TheDoc
the guy didn't spam if Dave only got one complaint.Comment
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Originally posted by DeanCapture
What a crock of shit. The guy spammed several of my boxes over the course of a week. Don't fucking tell me the guy didn't spam. Why publish a TOS if you have no intention of following it? Is that supposed to be how an honest business is run? I think not.
It's called you signed up for a site, or something, your e-mail address got on a mailers list, you got mailed and you got your panties in a wad.
If only you complain, and not the upstream providers then it's not spam, it just means you need to quit joining porn sites with your main e-mail accounts. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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Dave is right too, It's not like he was the FIRST program to get mail into your inbox. You didn't and don't bitch about the other programs this so called spammer was mailing you.
So that would mean you allow that "spam" but not PB's.. Kinda odd.Last edited by TheDoc; 04-19-2004, 11:24 AM. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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TOS is in place for liability purposes. Don't mistake it for anything else.
If you think ANY of the major programs today don't derive a large portion of there income from mailing you are living in a fantasy world.
Spam is a part of the Internet and a part of this business if you don't like it you might want to consider getting off the Internet and into another business.
And no program owner in his right mind is going to shutdown a profitable affiliate after just a few complaints. Would you?
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You have no fucking idea what your talking about Doc. I have never joined a site using any of those email addresses that got spammed.....especially my main one. There's more than one way to get added to a spamming list - joining an adult website is only one. Surely you know this already....or have I actually taught someone something today?Originally posted by TheDoc
It's called you signed up for a site, or something, your e-mail address got on a mailers list, you got mailed and you got your panties in a wad.
If only you complain, and not the upstream providers then it's not spam, it just means you need to quit joining porn sites with your main e-mail accounts.Comment
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I'm more than sure you have no knowledge of this business that I didn't already know 5+ years ago.Originally posted by DeanCapture
You have no fucking idea what your talking about Doc. I have never joined a site using any of those email addresses that got spammed.....especially my main one. There's more than one way to get added to a spamming list - joining an adult website is only one. Surely you know this already....or have I actually taught someone something today?
Oh and I said, "It's called you signed up for a site, or something,"
Or something, would inply another way. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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Have you seen my inbox Doc? How do you know what kind of mail that I get? I didn't bring this to the board until I realized that nothing was going to get done about it. I tried to work with PB but I realized very quickly they don't follow their own rules. I have complained to programs in the past and I have been fortunate enough to get them to act against spammers. PB has no intention of taking action against spammers and realizing this I posted on the board. Take a look around on this thread Doc....I'm not the only one who has gotten fucked by PB. They have a reputation for sleeping with spammers and not following their own TOS.Originally posted by TheDoc
Dave is right too, It's not like he was the FIRST program to get mail into your inbox. You didn't and don't bitch about the other programs this so called spammer was mailing you.
So that would mean you allow that "spam" but not PB's.. Kinda odd.Comment
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And I'll tell you the same thing that I told Dave - since apparently you didn't read all the threads and decided to jump in. I could give a flying fuck how my email addy got on the list. My concern was getting some relief from this asswipe promoting PB products. I followed the rules - contacted the hosting company and sent several emails and ICQ's to PB employees including Dave. I was assured by Adam that it would be taken care of immediately. Then he emails me this morning wanting all of my email address so he could ask the spammer to remove them from his list. That's a crock of shit if I ever heard it before. And any business who doesn't follow their own TOS is crooked.Originally posted by TheDoc
I'm more than sure you have no knowledge of this business that I didn't already know 5+ years ago.
Oh and I said, "It's called you signed up for a site, or something,"
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The problem is you don't know what SPAM is. Dave will, has, and would close ANY webmasters account "IF" he got complaints from his upstream providers. Not from YOU or one other Joe that bitches about the e-mail. It's not spam, just because YOU got in a couple of your mail boxes. At that how is Dave to know that you just aren't being a prick and busting his balls?Originally posted by DeanCapture
Have you seen my inbox Doc? How do you know what kind of mail that I get? I didn't bring this to the board until I realized that nothing was going to get done about it. I tried to work with PB but I realized very quickly they don't follow their own rules. I have complained to programs in the past and I have been fortunate enough to get them to act against spammers. PB has no intention of taking action against spammers and realizing this I posted on the board. Take a look around on this thread Doc....I'm not the only one who has gotten fucked by PB. They have a reputation for sleeping with spammers and not following their own TOS.
You have never owned a program.. I have mailers mail me for weeks, then boom, one guy bitches. Should I shut his account down because this guys says it's Spam, he never signed up for a list, blah blah blah? Fuck no, shit happens.
If I get a complaint from my upstream of a good block of spam cop complaints and other types, then yes, ANY and ALL the programs will close the webmasters account.
Learn what spam is and how programs have to deal with it before you come bashing PB and/or any other programs that allow mail.
For all we know you double-opted in to the lists. Dave has no proof otherwise. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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Yes, it matters how your e-mail address got on the list. One way is SPAM and the other is not. End of story.Originally posted by DeanCapture
And I'll tell you the same thing that I told Dave - since apparently you didn't read all the threads and decided to jump in. I could give a flying fuck how my email addy got on the list. My concern was getting some relief from this asswipe promoting PB products. I followed the rules - contacted the hosting company and sent several emails and ICQ's to PB employees including Dave. I was assured by Adam that it would be taken care of immediately. Then he emails me this morning wanting all of my email address so he could ask the spammer to remove them from his list. That's a crock of shit if I ever heard it before. And any business who doesn't follow their own TOS is crooked.Last edited by TheDoc; 04-19-2004, 11:37 AM. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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No - maybe YOU need to learn what the fuck spam is!!!!!Originally posted by TheDoc
The problem is you don't know what SPAM is. Dave will, has, and would close ANY webmasters account "IF" he got complaints from his upstream providers. Not from YOU or one other Joe that bitches about the e-mail. It's not spam, just because YOU got in a couple of your mail boxes. At that how is Dave to know that you just aren't being a prick and busting his balls?
You have never owned a program.. I have mailers mail me for weeks, then boom, one guy bitches. Should I shut his account down because this guys says it's Spam, he never signed up for a list, blah blah blah? Fuck no, shit happens.
If I get a complaint from my upstream of a good block of spam cop complaints and other types, then yes, ANY and ALL the programs will close the webmasters account.
Learn what spam is and how programs have to deal with it before you come bashing PB and/or any other programs that allow mail.
For all we know you double-opted in to the lists. Dave has no proof otherwise.
Spam: Unsolicited e-mail, often of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail.
1. To send unsolicited e-mail to.
2. To send (a message) indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups.
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That's the definition of spam Doc. No where does it state anything about upstream bla, bla, bla. And nowhere in PB's TOS does it say anything about upstream bla, bla, bla either. Now, get your head out of Dave's ass and realize that spam is spam is spam is spam. I sent a copy of the spam to Dave - he has proof. He didn't do anything about it. He's a fucking asswipe just like the his affiliate that spammed me. END OF STORY!!!Comment
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Originally posted by DeanCapture
No - maybe YOU need to learn what the fuck spam is!!!!!
Spam: Unsolicited e-mail, often of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail.
1. To send unsolicited e-mail to.
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That's the definition of spam Doc. No where does it state anything about upstream bla, bla, bla. And nowhere in PB's TOS does it say anything about upstream bla, bla, bla either. Now, get your head out of Dave's ass and realize that spam is spam is spam is spam. I sent a copy of the spam to Dave - he has proof. He didn't do anything about it. He's a fucking asswipe just like the his affiliate that spammed me. END OF STORY!!!
One man saying it was spam does not mean shut the webmasters account down. Again, how does he know if you didn't join a site, mag site, list, ect?
So let me explain to you how SPAM works and what it is. Seeming Dave can't tell that you did or did not join a list he has to go off of complaints from the providers, spam cop, etc.. So again, learn how the fuck programs work. ONE PERSON SENDING A COMPLAINT IS NOT FUCKING SPAM.
You keep going in circles and you keep getting shut down.. What other BS can you come up with. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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I keep getting shut down? -Originally posted by TheDoc
One man saying it was spam does not mean shut the webmasters account down. Again, how does he know if you didn't join a site, mag site, list, ect?
So let me explain to you how SPAM works and what it is. Seeming Dave can't tell that you did or did not join a list he has to go off of complaints from the providers, spam cop, etc.. So again, learn how the fuck programs work. ONE PERSON SENDING A COMPLAINT IS NOT FUCKING SPAM.
You keep going in circles and you keep getting shut down.. What other BS can you come up with.
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My point was made, thanks.Originally posted by DeanCapture
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Originally posted by Platinum Dave
Dean your not listening
If this webmaster was SPAMMING, I would get complaints.
If I get complaints I terminate accounts.
Spam is serious, we dont play around. Trust me on this.
You are the only person to complain, I am not going to terminate an account over one person complaining.
We were doing you a favour, getting you off this persons list.
This webmaster is not a Platinum Bucks webmaster he sends signups one week then he is gone.
You will be getting spammed for months now, I tried to help you get off this persons list.
Then you flipped out?
Yeah right!
I got spammed FPAs from your program with a co.uk url that redirected to your sites!
I talked to Jon or something like that and it took 4 weeks to get removed from the spam list.
I asked for info when and where I signed up for this spam list but you couldn´t provide it.
If you had provided some kind of information on how I got on the list and it had turned out it was legit I wouldn´t have been pissed. You could not provide me with any information about where you got my email address that makes your mailing:
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Your right - I've already posted definition of spam and it said nothing about one person sending spam. The post is above this one if you want to know what spam is Doc. It's very clear that the emails sent to me were unsolicited and of a commercial nature...which makes it spam by anybodys definition.Originally posted by TheDoc
ONE PERSON SENDING A COMPLAINT IS NOT FUCKING SPAM.
Stop making up your own definitions of spam and look it up. I'm sure your more knowledgable about this business than myself - I'm just a photographer and I have no experience sleeping with spammers. But I'm sure you could tell me all about it huh?
Here's something for you to look up Doc: Responsible Mailers. When you find the definition to that... read it and then send a copy to Dave
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Originally posted by TheDoc
One complaint does not mean the person is a spammer, even people complain on tripple opt in lists.
Dave having the persons e-mail address removed is pretty common. I do the same thing for our mailers. If a person asks to be removed I pass it on to the mailer. They either remove it or don't get paid, they always remove it.
Zero tolerance to spammers, the guy didn't spam if Dave only got one complaint.
I made 5 or 6 request to be removed I was told 3 times I was removed and I finally was the fourth time.Truth TellerComment
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Originally posted by TheDoc
Dave is right too, It's not like he was the FIRST program to get mail into your inbox. You didn't and don't bitch about the other programs this so called spammer was mailing you.
So that would mean you allow that "spam" but not PB's.. Kinda odd.
I got spammed by Topbucks contacted them and never recieved another spam again if it had been the same issue with PB I would never had posted about it.Truth TellerComment
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Ok, agian.... How does Dave know if you did not join a mailing list it's not his list, for all he knows you are just bitching? He ONLY can go off of complaints, you could be on a double opt in list, triple, site list, etc..Originally posted by DeanCapture
Your right - I've already posted definition of spam and it said nothing about one person sending spam. The post is above this one if you want to know what spam is Doc. It's very clear that the emails sent to me were unsolicited and of a commercial nature...which makes it spam by anybodys definition.
Stop making up your own definitions of spam and look it up. I'm sure your more knowledgable about this business than myself - I'm just a photographer and I have no experience sleeping with spammers. But I'm sure you could tell me all about it huh?
Here's something for you to look up Doc: Responsible Mailers. When you find the definition to that... read it and then send a copy to Dave
The spam rules are that "HE" does not mail unsolicited e-mails, which HE did not. Meaning HE did not spam. For him to know if a webmaster did spam or did not spam he can ONLY go off of complaints.
This is very simple to understand. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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Originally posted by Keyser Soze
I got spammed by Topbucks contacted them and never recieved another spam again if it had been the same issue with PB I would never had posted about it.
Great, I'm not defending Dave, I'm trying to make a point for the face of programs. If it isn't our list we are not the spammers, we can only request to be removed, we don't know how people get on the lists, etc..
Myself, with my own program.. I ONLY allow white lists or double-opt in or better lists. I don't have to worry about this kind of BS then. I don't care if site lists can send 50+ joins a day, at the end of the day I don't like complaints from anyone. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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There is at least one pet spammer PB apparently has no problem with. Search GFY for his affiliate code... '14476'. You can also look outside GFY into mainstream complaints and note there's no shortage (just one of his domains) of people constantly spammed by this guy. Has been the case for months now. No end in site.Originally posted by TheDoc
So let me explain to you how SPAM works and what it is. Seeming Dave can't tell that you did or did not join a list he has to go off of complaints from the providers, spam cop, etc.. So again, learn how the fuck programs work. ONE PERSON SENDING A COMPLAINT IS NOT FUCKING SPAM.
As others have said, these so called zero tolerance claims simply might not be the case - a dirty not-so-secret of the industry. Even if that's the case, it does seem stupid to include these zero tolerance claims in a TOS and then refuse to enforce them. Sort of renders the entire TOS impotent.Comment
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Let me put it to you this way Doc - perhaps this is more your language........Originally posted by TheDoc
The spam rules are that "HE" does not mail unsolicited e-mails, which HE did not. Meaning HE did not spam.
Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla unsolicited bla bla bla emails bla
bla bla Dave bla bla bla bla asswipe bla bla bla bla dickhead
bla bla bla loser bla bla bla bla spammer bla bla bla definition
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Originally posted by Esbee
There is at least one pet spammer PB apparently has no problem with. Search GFY for his affiliate code... '14476'. You can also look outside GFY into mainstream complaints and note there's no shortage (just one of his domains) of people constantly spammed by this guy. Has been the case for months now. No end in site.
As others have said, these so called zero tolerance claims simply might not be the case - a dirty not-so-secret of the industry. Even if that's the case, it does seem stupid to include these zero tolerance claims in a TOS and then refuse to enforce them. Sort of renders the entire TOS impotent.
I'm intelligent enough to know that I'm fighting an uphill battle with people like PB and any other program that sleeps with spammers. But that doesn't have to stop me from voicing my opinion about how bad they suck for doing what they are doing.
FYI: The affilaite whose been spamming me is: revid=14252Comment
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You're still going on about this?
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Dave, you really are making a complete jackass out of yourself. This spammer must have a lot of pull. You say in your terms of service that you have zero tolerance for spam. Even if Dean was the ONLY complaint, you'd still need to shut down that account, according to your own TOS. ZERO means ZERO. Dean = ONE. ONE violates ZERO, don't you think?Originally posted by Platinum Dave
Ok sounds good, anything you need to contact me about you know my email also.
If you want to be removed from his list. Shoot me your email I will still try to get your removed.
Even after your assult on my Program, I still will attempt to get you off the list.
I'd change my TOS if I were you. Everyone hates a hypocrite.
ON THE OTHER HAND TO DEAN: I have to admit, I'd let someone spam my program if I thought it would make me money. I won't lie about that. I've been approached by a few spammers and listen to their offer. I simply haven't heard an offer I like yet. I simply haven't found one that I think takes enough care to protect my interests against anti-spam laws. If I found a spammer that could do it without ME getting in trouble, I admit I'd let him spam my program.
BUT, I have no written spam rules in my TOS.Last edited by Donny; 04-19-2004, 12:19 PM.Comment
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I don't even know why I try on this board...Originally posted by Esbee
There is at least one pet spammer PB apparently has no problem with. Search GFY for his affiliate code... '14476'. You can also look outside GFY into mainstream complaints and note there's no shortage (just one of his domains) of people constantly spammed by this guy. Has been the case for months now. No end in site.
As others have said, these so called zero tolerance claims simply might not be the case - a dirty not-so-secret of the industry. Even if that's the case, it does seem stupid to include these zero tolerance claims in a TOS and then refuse to enforce them. Sort of renders the entire TOS impotent.
Yes, that domain/account does look like a major spammer hitting PB sites.. Sure Daves TOS says zero tolerance. If Dave allows this person then he can over ride his TOS at any time, even more so if he has a deal with the person. As long as he doesn't get complaints he does not care, then again he could get complaints, I have no idea.
The TOS is rules set for you, me, etc.. We arn't "big mailers" or some other type of special webmaster that Dave will work with one on one.
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I'm more than sure Dave and "EVERY OTHER MAJOR PROGRAM" allows so called "spammers" to mail them. Back in the day I did too. Dave made some valid points to this ONE topic that Dean kept walking around and not getting the point about, that I think he finally does.
Other crap Dave may or may not have done is between you and Dave
Either way, there is never a reason to come to the boards to open bash the program when you are on day ONE of getting help.
Btw, nice thread, 11 clicks through my sig and 1 sign-up. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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Dean...try spamarrest.com
My company email was so fucked up with receiving spam mail, it would literraly take me hours to filter thru everything to see what was important. Once I got spamarrest and imported my address book to it, no more spam.
If anyone is not in your address book and sends you an email, they need to confirm the email they are sending from to allow you to receive it. I'll tell you, I was skeptical at first but this thing really does work....it is worth the 20 or so bucks per year.
Give it a try. I think you will be surprised.
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Thanks Alex - I have a spam filter in place that does a wonderful job. But this asswipe who was promting Dave's program was able to get thru...again and again and again. I've tweaked the filter about as good as I can at this point without it tagging "good mail". A few pieces of spam once in a while is no big deal...we all deal with it. But when PlatinumBucks allows someone like this guy to bombard me with as much spam as he did and chose to look the other way instead of doing something about it...that's where I draw the line.Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
Dean...try spamarrest.com
My company email was so fucked up with receiving spam mail, it would literraly take me hours to filter thru everything to see what was important. Once I got spamarrest and imported my address book to it, no more spam.
If anyone is not in your address book and sends you an email, they need to confirm the email they are sending from to allow you to receive it. I'll tell you, I was skeptical at first but this thing really does work....it is worth the 20 or so bucks per year.
Give it a try. I think you will be surprised.
Take care and good luck.
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Well now - you owe me a drinkOriginally posted by TheDoc
Btw, nice thread, 11 clicks through my sig and 1 sign-up.
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Sure look me up at the next showOriginally posted by DeanCapture
Well now - you owe me a drink
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How can [b]THEY[/] remove your email from a spammers list unless THEY are the ones doing the spamming?Originally posted by DeanCapture
"Whats up Dean, send me all e mail addresses that he is sending to, I will have them removed asap!"
I dont know of anyone able to remove an email address from a list THEY dont own
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I ain't mad at cha. If those muthafuckas pissed you off let it be known.
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Hmmmm - intersting point for sure. Wouldn't surprise me if it was an in-house job. We'll see if I get anymore of their shit.Originally posted by See Sig
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How can THEY[/] remove your email from a spammers list unless THEY are the ones doing the spamming?
I dont know of anyone able to remove an email address from a list THEY dont own
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Originally posted by See Sig
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How can THEY[/] remove your email from a spammers list unless THEY are the ones doing the spamming?
I dont know of anyone able to remove an email address from a list THEY dont own
Why don't you learn to fucking read you moron. Don't come in a thread you know nothing about and post some assnine comment.
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if you are the only one complaining about that guys you are an idiot
stop crying, you have lost your credibility in this thread
PB is an awesome program
ZERO means ZERO. Dean = ONE. ONE violates ZERO, don't you think?
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How do you know I"m the only one complaining? Because Dave said so? Hahahaah - that's a fucking joke. What is Dave gonna say? That he's gotten 100 complaints? Fuck no - he's not gonna say that. I believe Dave got one complain like I believe he doesn't sleep with spammers. The bottom line is that it doesn't matter how many complaints Dave got - he's gonna protect his homies if they show him the $$$$$.Originally posted by skillfull
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if you are the only one complaining about that guys you are an idiot
stop crying, you have lost your credibility in this thread
PB is an awesome program
ZERO means ZERO. Dean = ONE. ONE violates ZERO, don't you think?
its stupidè i should complaint about any accoutn and get it closed, good way to kill competion :P
Now, back the fuck up and come back when you have something intelligent to add.Comment
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You know how stupid you sound?Originally posted by DeanCapture
How do you know I"m the only one complaining? Because Dave said so? Hahahaah - that's a fucking joke. What is Dave gonna say? That he's gotten 100 complaints? Fuck no - he's not gonna say that. I believe Dave got one complain like I believe he doesn't sleep with spammers. The bottom line is that it doesn't matter how many complaints Dave got - he's gonna protect his homies if they show him the $$$$$.
Now, back the fuck up and come back when you have something intelligent to add.
We host with "National Net". They would never allow us to take on spam.
HELLO?
Wake up!!!
National Net is a major hosting provider, not a spam host like you are making it sound like.
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