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  • KRL
    Entrepreneur
    • Oct 2002
    • 31429

    #1

    Govt Seizes ISP's Servers To See What Customers Are Looking At CP Online

    WOW! Talk about a complete "Big Brother" invasion of privacy. This new approach could really lead to a lot of innocent people being wrongly accused.


    Seized Web Servers Raise Freedom Concerns

    PHILADELPHIA - For $9.95 a month, a small company offered access to a search tool that would scour electronic bulletin boards for millions of "uncensored" movies and photographs and serve up "an all-you-can-eat taste of 'the Internet gone wild!'"

    Voicenet Communications executives said they didn't know users also were using their system to access child pornography until January, when authorities seized the computer servers that ran their "QuikVue" search program, a lawyer for the company said.

    Despite a burgeoning amount of online child pornography, prosecutors have been cautious in their handling of Internet companies that don't manufacture or distribute illegal content themselves, but do make it easier for customers to see material posted by others.

    The seizure of Voicenet's servers in suburban Ivyland was the first time a Pennsylvania law enforcement agency has stopped an Internet firm from facilitating access to child porn, lawyers said.

    No criminal charges have been filed but investigators said in court filings that they want to examine lists of QuikVue subscribers.

    It also was a rarity nationwide. Some free speech advocates have accused prosecutors of ignoring a federal law that generally protects Internet service providers from criminal liability when their systems are used to disseminate child pornography without their knowledge.

    Voicenet claimed in a federal lawsuit filed last month that QuikVue merely allowed customers to easily access files posted in discussion groups on Usenet, an enormous system of electronic bulletin boards.

    The company's attorney, Mark Sheppard, said the company had no control over what people posted to the groups, and was no more criminally liable for their actions than other hosts of Usenet material.

    "This case has very important implications, from a First Amendment standpoint and from a privacy standpoint," Sheppard said. "If Internet service providers are going to have to worry about getting their servers seized, then you have to wonder whether they can continue to offer access to Usenet."

    The firm asked a federal judge last week to order the government to return its equipment.

    Lawyers for Pennsylvania Attorney General Gerald Pappert and two county district attorneys involved in the investigation argued that the court should not intervene in an active criminal probe.

    The judge did not indicate when she would rule.

    The case has few precedents.

    Investigators in New York pressed criminal charges against a pair of Internet service providers in 1998 for allegedly failing to block access to Usenet groups that contained child pornography. One firm, Buffalo-based BuffNet, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of criminal facilitation in 2001 and paid a $5,000 fine.

    "The case helped establish that when an Internet service provider becomes aware of child pornography being on its system, it has an obligation to do something about it," said Paul Larrabee, a spokesman for New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer.

    A federal judge imposed a tougher penalty on a Texas couple convicted in 2000 of operating a service that gave subscribers passwords to overseas Web sites containing child pornography. A judge sentenced Thomas Reedy to life in prison. His wife, who helped run the business, got 14 years.

    Prosecutors said that even though the couple didn't post child pornography themselves, they knowingly facilitated access to it and shared their profits with the Web sites responsible for the illegal material.

    John Morris, an attorney with the Center for Democracy and Technology, a civil liberties group, said companies like Voicenet can block access to improper Usenet content, but don't always know what people are posting on their system.

    "It's one thing to seize a server that is being used for a single Web site that is illegally serving up child pornography," Morris said. "But to go into an ISP and seize servers that have millions of postings on them that are perfectly lawful, with no real evidence that the ISP was intentionally doing anything criminal, is a much more questionable situation."
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  • stev0
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    • Aug 2003
    • 6801

    #2
    CP is disgusting... but that is a huge invasion of privacy.

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    • Digipimp
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      • Mar 2003
      • 13481

      #3
      ouchie

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      • 69pornlinks
        Confirmed User
        • Mar 2003
        • 5560

        #4
        after this is who surf porn in general, then who surf pro-gun sites, then who surf "anti tax" sites, and who surf pro-choice sites..haha and the list go on..everybody is all for it now because yes i agress c-p is sickeing but who really think they will stop after this
        It IS what it IS

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        • Gheenz
          Here's Your Sign
          • Oct 2003
          • 2410

          #5
          I think it's a good thing if law enforcement's intentions are what they say they are. Any way of stopping child porn is good IMO, regardless of privacy.
          Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

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          • KRL
            Entrepreneur
            • Oct 2002
            • 31429

            #6
            Originally posted by stev0
            CP is disgusting... but that is a huge invasion of privacy.
            Agreed, a lot of PC's in homes, college dorms and offices also have multiple users. What if your teenage was looking at funky stuff for example under your account. Or in a college dorm and your roomate is on your PC. etc.
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            • crockett
              in a van by the river
              • May 2003
              • 76818

              #7
              Only in America


              and China and North Korea and all the other commie countries...
              In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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              • SykkBoy2
                Jesus loves bacon
                • Feb 2001
                • 19969

                #8
                Originally posted by milhouse_dick
                I think it's a good thing if law enforcement's intentions are what they say they are. Any way of stopping child porn is good IMO, regardless of privacy.
                so, if they deicde to come and take YOUR computer for an "investigation" you're just fine with that? Can you vouch for every single image on your computer? I don't trust my local law enforcement officers to babysit my kids muchless determine which images on my computer are "legal". Do you really think they'll stop at CP or suspected CP?
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                • PiksalDesign
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                  • Mar 2003
                  • 1632

                  #9
                  I would be more than glad to step aside while they track down CP fucks. Doesnt bother me a bit. If it helped I would even give them a sample of my stool. As long as it brings in those sick fucks.
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                  • Mr.Fiction
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                    • Feb 2002
                    • 9484

                    #10
                    They should just raid every citizen's house once a month and make you take a lie detector test every two weeks.

                    Burn the Constitution, Bush!
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                    • Mr.Fiction
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                      • Feb 2002
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by PiksalDesign
                      I would be more than glad to step aside while they track down CP fucks. Doesnt bother me a bit. If it helped I would even give them a sample of my stool. As long as it brings in those sick fucks.
                      That's great if you decide to give up your Constitutional rights. You can always move to Saudi Arabia and do just that. You don't have the right to give up other people's rights for them, though.

                      Some people prefer to live in America, rather than some dictatorship, where the Constitution is supposed to be more sacred than anything else.

                      Every corrupt government uses excuses to take away rights.
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                      • Joesho
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                        • Jan 2003
                        • 12329

                        #12
                        Good, I hope they ctatch that fucker SexPed or that other new fucker that was spamming all those CP links last week and burn them fuckers on the dick with some serious toxic nucluear shit!!!!
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                        • Gheenz
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                          • Oct 2003
                          • 2410

                          #13
                          Originally posted by SykkBoy2


                          so, if they deicde to come and take YOUR computer for an "investigation" you're just fine with that? Can you vouch for every single image on your computer? I don't trust my local law enforcement officers to babysit my kids muchless determine which images on my computer are "legal". Do you really think they'll stop at CP or suspected CP?
                          If they wanted to search my computer I would have no problem with it one bit. Most people wouldn't because most people have nothing to hide. But like I said, I only support it when law enforcement's intentions are held true.
                          Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

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                          • PiksalDesign
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                            • Mar 2003
                            • 1632

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


                            That's great if you decide to give up your Constitutional rights. You can always move to Saudi Arabia and do just that. You don't have the right to give up other people's rights for them, though.

                            Some people prefer to live in America, rather than some dictatorship, where the Constitution is supposed to be more sacred than anything else.

                            Every corrupt government uses excuses to take away rights.
                            Worried they're going to find your CP?
                            Last edited by PiksalDesign; 04-17-2004, 03:08 PM.
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                            • Mr.Fiction
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                              • Feb 2002
                              • 9484

                              #15
                              Originally posted by PiksalDesign


                              Worried they're going to find your CP?
                              Anyone who supports free speech and privacy rights is into child porn.

                              Just like anyone who supports gun rights is a murderer.

                              Here is one of America's early child porn supporter according to you:



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                              • crockett
                                in a van by the river
                                • May 2003
                                • 76818

                                #16
                                Originally posted by PiksalDesign


                                Worried they're going to find your CP?

                                I don't think he is, but I duno if you run any TGPs... but a lot of us have to deal with redirecting scumbag cheaters.. So more often than not the scumbags redirect to CP sites or beastilty. I also get shit loads of freeking CP spam to all my domain e-mails.

                                I don't choose for any of this to happen, but this all could be used aginst me if some commie nazis in our govt.. decided to go after legit porn pushers.

                                Think about it.. if they are looking through ISP logs and your IP has accessed the same CP domain several times because of the same redirecting cheater on your TGP.. It's honestly not that far of a stretch, to think about..
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                                • Rictor
                                  Old Timer
                                  • Jan 2001
                                  • 12208

                                  #17
                                  Well, the way some of those newsgroup services promote themselves is "We provide access to the banned newsgroups your ISP doesn't allow!" or something along those lines. It's pretty obvious why people are signing up to their service.

                                  That said, they aren't technically doing anything illegal and they shouldn't have their servers seized, even if they are in a sleazy business.

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                                  • Gemini
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                                    • Jan 2001
                                    • 7183

                                    #18
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                                    • pussyluver
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                                      • Mar 2003
                                      • 11009

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by PiksalDesign
                                      I would be more than glad to step aside while they track down CP fucks. Doesnt bother me a bit. If it helped I would even give them a sample of my stool. As long as it brings in those sick fucks.
                                      So when they charge you, that will be fine with you. You just clicked a gallery with a redirect that had some CP that you really didn't want to see, but now its in your history file. So you get life without parol, you scum CP bag. Wake up.

                                      Yep CP is bad, most agree, but this is getting out of hand. Which is worse, the cheaters that put you in harms way or the government?


                                      I can't control what submiters do or sponsors for that matter. Wheh I find something I suspect is wrong, I ban it. When I know its wrong, I report it.

                                      What woud you have me do?

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                                      • Fletch XXX
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                                        • Jan 2002
                                        • 60840

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by PiksalDesign
                                        I would be more than glad to step aside while they track down CP fucks. Doesnt bother me a bit. If it helped I would even give them a sample of my stool. As long as it brings in those sick fucks.
                                        blah blah blah.

                                        they always use the "kids and cp" as the reason, and it always gets people like you to step aside and allow them.

                                        silly people around here

                                        if you trade freedom for security you are an idiot.

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                                        • Fletch XXX
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                                          #21
                                          "people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both"

                                          Ben Franklin, sometimes cited to Thomas Jefferson

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                                          • Mr.Fiction
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                                            • 9484

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                            "people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both"

                                            Ben Franklin, sometimes cited to Thomas Jefferson
                                            These sheep worship Rush Limbaugh (sometimes cited as Sean Hannity) not Jefferson or Franklin.
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                                            • Gemini
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                                              • Jan 2001
                                              • 7183

                                              #23
                                              If they were actually so concerned with nailing the supposed CP posters, they would have made clones of the HD's and left the gear in place to continue gathering information...

                                              and after studying the clones, know exactly WHO to watch.

                                              Or so you would think. Ummm shutting down a site completely would seem like a real heads up to anyone sharing that stuff.
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                                              • PiksalDesign
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                                                #24
                                                Its easy to defend your rights with words like unconstitutional.

                                                But what about the REAL sick fucks out there?
                                                The ones the buy and sell 6yr olds, Fuck them, then kill them.
                                                What about the man that kidnapped the kid in your neighborhood. The man that kidnapped your best friends sister. The man that kindapped YOUR sister.

                                                Would you not step down for 1 second of your soap box and say. Yes Mr. Government. You may do what you need to do to find this stupid fuck, and put him behind bars.

                                                Of COURSE you wouldnt, because the only thing you can think about is your fucking self. and your "rights".

                                                I pitty the lot of you.
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                                                • TheFrog
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                                                  • Jan 2004
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                                                  #25
                                                  As far as i know, ISP's were granted common carrier status for things that happened on their network (i.e. they were only moving the data around, not involved). This sounds more like newsgroups though, and if the service was promoting itself on "unlimited access" its likely they were attracting the people looking for the kind of newsgroups ISP's dont carry.

                                                  Without more detail its hard to say whether this raid was justified or not, just my though...

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                                                  • Fletch XXX
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                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                    • 60840

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by PiksalDesign


                                                    Of COURSE you wouldnt, because the only thing you can think about is your fucking self. and your "rights".

                                                    I pitty the lot of you.
                                                    come back when youre old enough to drink.




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                                                    • pussyluver
                                                      Clueless OleMan
                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                      • 11009

                                                      #27
                                                      Why not just seize all of Google's servers to see what your search words were? Don't stop there, Yahoo and Altvista too.

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                                                      • Mr.Fiction
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                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                        • 9484

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by PiksalDesign
                                                        Its easy to defend your rights with words like unconstitutional.

                                                        But what about the REAL sick fucks out there?
                                                        The ones the buy and sell 6yr olds, Fuck them, then kill them.
                                                        What about the man that kidnapped the kid in your neighborhood. The man that kidnapped your best friends sister. The man that kindapped YOUR sister.

                                                        Would you not step down for 1 second of your soap box and say. Yes Mr. Government. You may do what you need to do to find this stupid fuck, and put him behind bars.

                                                        Of COURSE you wouldnt, because the only thing you can think about is your fucking self. and your "rights".

                                                        I pitty the lot of you.
                                                        I hope you're joking.

                                                        Let's take your logic to it's conclusion.

                                                        You are arguing that people are safer living in a police state with no rights.

                                                        Too bad you can't move to Afghanistan under the Taliban, because they are exactly the kind of government you want. Total government control, complete safety for everyone, and no freedom for anyone.

                                                        Do you think that Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were stupid?

                                                        Why do you hate America and the Constitution?
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                                                        • PiksalDesign
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Fletch XXX


                                                          come back when youre old enough to drink.




                                                          Wow. that was a great response.

                                                          Come back when you think you know what your talking about.
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                                                          • PiksalDesign
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                            • 1632

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


                                                            I hope you're joking.

                                                            Let's take your logic to it's conclusion.

                                                            You are arguing that people are safer living in a police state with no rights.

                                                            Too bad you can't move to Afghanistan under the Taliban, because they are exactly the kind of government you want. Total government control, complete safety for everyone, and no freedom for anyone.

                                                            Do you think that Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were stupid?

                                                            Why do you hate America and the Constitution?
                                                            You sure have thick ass head.
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                                                            • Fletch XXX
                                                              GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                              • 60840

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by PiksalDesign



                                                              Wow. that was a great response.

                                                              Come back when you think you know what your talking about.
                                                              hows this one?

                                                              You are arguing that people are safer living in a police state with no rights.

                                                              Too bad you can't move to Afghanistan under the Taliban, because they are exactly the kind of government you want. Total government control, complete safety for everyone, and no freedom for anyone.

                                                              Do you think that Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were stupid?

                                                              Why do you hate America and the Constitution?


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                                                              • PiksalDesign
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                                                                • Mar 2003
                                                                • 1632

                                                                #32
                                                                My current position is that if any US agency needed any information from me to track down CP fucks. They can have it.
                                                                Yes. My "rights" come second to finding the man that kidnapped Erica Baker from my hometown. And thats where my feet plant firmly.

                                                                On the other hand.

                                                                If the govt came into my house TELLING me that I HAD to do everything they said. I would be the first to say "Fuck you, I have my rights."

                                                                Get the fucking point here.
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                                                                • PiksalDesign
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                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                  • 1632

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Fletch XXX

                                                                  hows this one?

                                                                  You are arguing that people are safer living in a police state with no rights.

                                                                  Too bad you can't move to Afghanistan under the Taliban, because they are exactly the kind of government you want. Total government control, complete safety for everyone, and no freedom for anyone.

                                                                  Do you think that Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were stupid?

                                                                  Why do you hate America and the Constitution?

                                                                  Its funny when someone like you has to pull bullshit out of other peoples asses.
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                                                                  • Fletch XXX
                                                                    GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                    • 60840

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by PiksalDesign


                                                                    Get the fucking point here.
                                                                    you are the one missing the point.

                                                                    the govt didnt simply "gather info" they shut down the operation and seized all the gear.

                                                                    think hard about that one.

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                                                                    • PiksalDesign
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                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                      • 1632

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Fletch XXX


                                                                      you are the one missing the point.

                                                                      the govt didnt simply "gather info" they shut down the operation and seized all the gear.

                                                                      think hard about that one.

                                                                      For $9.95 a month, a small company offered access to a search tool that would scour electronic bulletin boards for millions of "uncensored" movies and photographs and serve up "an all-you-can-eat taste of 'the Internet gone wild!'"

                                                                      Against.......

                                                                      The.......

                                                                      Law.....

                                                                      ... when un-verified users such as minors. or men looking for CP.
                                                                      have access to all the "uncensored" porn on the net.

                                                                      The company was at fault because it charged them as a service.

                                                                      If it was a free search engice. They would have simply said, hey, you need to put some regulation on this or we will shut you down.
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                                                                      • Herb Kornfield
                                                                        Is on the 1
                                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                                        • 4996

                                                                        #36
                                                                        I used to work for voicenet back the in day, the had the most porn and totally outrageous shit that you can imagine.

                                                                        Them having anything contreversial really dont shock me from knowing what went on there.

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                                                                        • 69pornlinks
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                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                          • 5560

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by pussyluver
                                                                          Why not just seize all of Google's servers to see what your search words were? Don't stop there, Yahoo and Altvista too.
                                                                          i'm sure google is in bed with the feds, i'm sure when you're secrahing for whateva a red flag comes up...
                                                                          It IS what it IS

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                                                                          • KRL
                                                                            Entrepreneur
                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                            • 31429

                                                                            #38
                                                                            I can't believe a few people on this thread are actually OK with what the govt just did to this company.

                                                                            You're not seeing the point here at all. They shut down the entire operation because some of its users were looking at CP. What's next? Like in the post above, shutting down some major ISP's to see what their users are downloading or viewing?

                                                                            Let's say someone is into military stuff, just as a hobby, he starts downloading pics of weapons, explosion videos, and other stuff in that direction. The govt might next say why is this guy looking at that stuff, let's put a tap on his phone and Net connection and put him under surveillance. With the Patriot Act they don't even need a warrant any more.

                                                                            The whole point is look at the past few years under this extremist administration. Every month its one more thing they're doing to slowly but surely get more of a spying grip on everything they can about people.

                                                                            Yeh CP people need to be sent to hell, but not at the expense of the 99.99% of the people that aren't into that crap.
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                                                                            • PiksalDesign
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by KRL
                                                                              I can't believe a few people on this thread are actually OK with what the govt just did to this company.

                                                                              You're not seeing the point here at all. They shut down the entire operation because some of its users were looking at CP. What's next? Like in the post above, shutting down some major ISP's to see what their users are downloading or viewing?

                                                                              Let's say someone is into military stuff, just as a hobby, he starts downloading pics of weapons, explosion videos, and other stuff in that direction. The govt might next say why is this guy looking at that stuff, let's put a tap on his phone and Net connection and put him under surveillance. With the Patriot Act they don't even need a warrant any more.

                                                                              The whole point is look at the past few years under this extremist administration. Every month its one more thing they're doing to slowly but surely get more of a spying grip on everything they can about people.

                                                                              Yeh CP people need to be sent to hell, but not at the expense of the 99.99% of the people that aren't into that crap.
                                                                              I understand your concern.
                                                                              Its a very debatable issue.
                                                                              I agree they cant just push us around and shut down ISP's for
                                                                              the sake of doing it. But this company, knew. THEY KNEW that people joined so the can surf that shit. Just ask Herb Kornfield, he just stated it above.
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                                                                              • Fletch XXX
                                                                                GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                                • Jan 2002
                                                                                • 60840

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by KRL

                                                                                Let's say someone is into military stuff, just as a hobby, he starts downloading pics of weapons, explosion videos, and other stuff in that direction. The govt might next say why is this guy looking at that stuff, let's put a tap on his phone and Net connection and put him under surveillance. With the Patriot Act they don't even need a warrant any more.
                                                                                KRL - this has been done to someone who lives not far from me.

                                                                                He had explosive device info on his website.

                                                                                As a WEBMASTER, which he is, and so am I, this scares me. The same explosive info is available in books on amazon.com yet he was met by the FEDS and his life changed, he was a TEEN.

                                                                                http://www.freesherman.org/

                                                                                Again, he didnt live far from here.

                                                                                1 Year in Prison. Fuck the Patriot Act


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                                                                                • KRL
                                                                                  Entrepreneur
                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                  • 31429

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Fletch XXX


                                                                                  KRL - this has been done to someone who lives not far from me.

                                                                                  He had explosive device info on his website.

                                                                                  As a WEBMASTER, which he is, and so am I, this scares me. The same explosive info is available in books on amazon.com yet he was met by the FEDS and his life changed, he was a TEEN.

                                                                                  http://www.freesherman.org/

                                                                                  Again, he didnt live far from here.

                                                                                  1 Year in Prison. Fuck the Patriot Act

                                                                                  Holy cow. That guy got zapped by them big time.
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                                                                                  • Fletch XXX
                                                                                    GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                    • 60840

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by KRL


                                                                                    Holy cow. That guy got zapped by them big time.
                                                                                    F3d5 is scared of whats brewing here.

                                                                                    they should be.

                                                                                    our blood has turned from red to black.


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                                                                                    • Gemini
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                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                      • 7183

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      but not at the expense of the 99.99% of the people...

                                                                                      This is hitting more than one area... I called one of our banks the other day to send a small wire to a brokerage firm... we've had this account for sheesh 8 or 10 yrs probably. They KNOW me at the bank I called... the lady in charge of Customer relations remembered me well enough to ask after specific things about me etc...

                                                                                      I finally said well, I need to send a few hundred to our brokerage and she said... Oh! Well stop IN when you need it done and we'll certainly do that.

                                                                                      *pregnant pause insues* I said Huh? You can't send this from me calling it in?! You used to... No sorry ma'am... We changed our policies to fall in line with the Patriot Act.

                                                                                      Soooooo, Now I'm possibly a terrorist, I'm going to fund badguy buddies with a couple hundred bucks AND the National Brokerage we do business with is ALSO suspect. (I had told her where I wanted to wire to before she refused)

                                                                                      Now I have to go IN to the bank, show them my face, Hand them the card and THEN they can wire for me... This is catching hundreds of bad guys I bet! Daily! ...

                                                                                      Heck if I have to go OUT to wire it, I could drive 8 miles further and hand it to the local broker. Idiots.

                                                                                      Piksal... you aren't seeing the bleed over this so called witch hunt is doing... Whats next? Will I have to fly a wire by the local FBI office?
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                                                                                      • - Jesus Christ -
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                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                        • 7197

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        This is the beginning of going after usenet providers. It is extremely fucking scary. If they start going after more and more usenet providers you better go gun shopping, I'm dead serious. Usenet is one of the LAST true bastions of free speech left in the US. THE ONE PLACE THE GOVERNEMT HAS 0 CONTROL OVER WHAT IS EXPRESSED.

                                                                                        I do not condome CP production, but I honestly do not care if pics are distrubted over usenet as a side effect of a truly free online community.

                                                                                        NNTP newsfeeds (USENET) predates the existance of the internet.

                                                                                        Amen

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                                                                                        • KRL
                                                                                          Entrepreneur
                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                          • 31429

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
                                                                                          This is the beginning of going after usenet providers. It is extremely fucking scary. If they start going after more and more usenet providers you better go gun shopping, I'm dead serious. Usenet is one of the LAST true bastions of free speech left in the US. THE ONE PLACE THE GOVERNEMT HAS 0 CONTROL OVER WHAT IS EXPRESSED.

                                                                                          I do not condome CP production, but I honestly do not care if pics are distrubted over usenet as a side effect of a truly free online community.

                                                                                          NNTP newsfeeds (USENET) predates the existance of the internet.
                                                                                          Its a master plan without a doubt. You can see the pattern every month something else using the Patriot Act to snoop, find and accuse a handful of people at the expense of millions of people doing nothing wrong.
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                                                                                          • warlock5
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                                                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                                                            • 2808

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            I think theres a job for Piksal at adequacy.org

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                                                                                            • SykkBoy2
                                                                                              Jesus loves bacon
                                                                                              • Feb 2001
                                                                                              • 19969

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by PiksalDesign



                                                                                              Against.......

                                                                                              The.......

                                                                                              Law.....

                                                                                              ... when un-verified users such as minors. or men looking for CP.
                                                                                              have access to all the "uncensored" porn on the net.

                                                                                              The company was at fault because it charged them as a service.

                                                                                              If it was a free search engice. They would have simply said, hey, you need to put some regulation on this or we will shut you down.
                                                                                              um, I've used those same sales pitches for sites before...and if they are charging $9.95, how is that an unverified user??

                                                                                              Tell you what, give e your details and I'll notify the local law enforcement that you have no problems with them coming into your private residence and looking around on your computer. You'd better hope and pray you don't have any image in your cache, history or anywhere on your harddrive in which you cannot verify that the person in those pics are above the legal age.

                                                                                              Obviously, you've never dealt with the clusterfuck that is unchecked law enforcement...
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                                                                                              • PiksalDesign
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Mar 2003
                                                                                                • 1632

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                I say bring it.

                                                                                                Please show me a case where someone was arrested for having one picture on the computer, in there internet cache, that could even possible called CP.

                                                                                                Im not denying it. I really want to see the case.
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                                                                                                • PiksalDesign
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                  • 1632

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by warlock5
                                                                                                  I think theres a job for Piksal at adequacy.org



                                                                                                  I got a job for you under my desk.
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                                                                                                  • brutus
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Mar 2002
                                                                                                    • 590

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Not speaking for cp, but ... move your server(s) to europe or vote mr. bush jr out of w.house.... the last it the best! I bet for it! Bush go go go....

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