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  • mind
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    • Apr 2004
    • 1199
    #1

    Too many "wannabe" designer out there?

    Is it just me or is the designing industry becomming infected with people who think that it requires no talent whatsoever to create designs and websites?

    Is there any other business where people from one day to another can start a business and hahahahaha designer on the business card the next day?

    - Is it just me? i dunno, but it is really starting to amaze me how shitty some of the designers out there are.
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    Yeah, we need a Design Police :D
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    Maybe, haven't really noticed
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    No, they are good for business - makes it easier to see real quality
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    No - lets have some more of them
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    • slackologist
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      • Jul 2002
      • 2379
      #2
      too many teenage/college kids using illegal software and charging sweet fuck all to provide very amateur work.

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        • flashfire
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          • Feb 2003
          • 13098
          #3
          Originally posted by slackologist
          too many teenage/college kids using illegal software and charging sweet fuck all to provide very amateur work.
          agreed, also these design contests piss me off...50 designers do work and one guy gets paid, shows how desperate some are for work and thats just sad.

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            • mind
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              • Apr 2004
              • 1199
              #4
              Originally posted by flashfire


              agreed, also these design contests piss me off...50 designers do work and one guy gets paid, shows how desperate some are for work and thats just sad.
              agreed, and then again contests can be a good way to "show off" your designing skills. - but it all depends on how the contest is made i guess.

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                • PiksalDesign
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                  • Mar 2003
                  • 1632
                  #5
                  There is a difference between wannabe and aspiring. A fine line though. Everyone starts somewhere. even webmasters are
                  a dime a dozen these days.
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                    • Roald
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                      • May 2001
                      • 27910
                      #6
                      Originally posted by flashfire


                      agreed, also these design contests piss me off...50 designers do work and one guy gets paid, shows how desperate some are for work and thats just sad.
                      The only one who wins is the one throwing the contest most of the times


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                        • PiksalDesign
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                          • Mar 2003
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                          #7
                          Originally posted by PiksalDesign
                          There is a difference between wannabe and aspiring. A fine line though. Everyone starts somewhere. even webmasters are
                          a dime a dozen these days.
                          It's the one's that you don't see improve that are more than
                          likely to let you down. There are the gifted, and the people that
                          have to work hard and learn, and practice. Im proud to be
                          one that works hard to create better.
                          469344657

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                            • mind
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                              • Apr 2004
                              • 1199
                              #8
                              Originally posted by PiksalDesign


                              It's the one's that you don't see improve that are more than
                              likely to let you down. There are the gifted, and the people that
                              have to work hard and learn, and practice. Im proud to be
                              one that works hard to create better.
                              Yup, i learned the hard way too - allthough i never offered to do designwork until i felt i had the skillz to do it ;)

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                                • slackologist
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                                  • Jul 2002
                                  • 2379
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by QuaShe


                                  The only one who wins is the one throwing the contest most of the times
                                  exactly..

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                                      • Jun 2001
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                                      #10
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                                        • mind
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                                          • Apr 2004
                                          • 1199
                                          #11
                                          Yeah thats the only plus i found so far

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                                            • TheFrog
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                                              • Jan 2004
                                              • 4095
                                              #12
                                              The real good designers will always stay at the top, outsourcing can never beat that and low designers / scammers will stay at the bottom

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                                                • Ray@TastyDollars
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                                                  • May 2002
                                                  • 6797
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by mind
                                                  Is it just me or is the designing industry becomming infected with people who think that it requires no talent whatsoever to create designs and websites?

                                                  Is there any other business where people from one day to another can start a business and hahahahaha designer on the business card the next day?

                                                  - Is it just me? i dunno, but it is really starting to amaze me how shitty some of the designers out there are.
                                                  Its not just you.
                                                  http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=268455

                                                  People seem to think that throwing together a few cute images makes a design convert. When I used to build galleries for other programs, I MADE SURE my designs converted. Isnt that what its all about anway? If my client was not happy with work(rarely) I would refund or re-do.

                                                  Seems like evey time I contract GFY kiddies I get fucked over with shit that has NOT been tested for conversion.

                                                  Baaaa, WTF you wanna do.

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                                                    • shima
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                                                      • May 2003
                                                      • 1753
                                                      #14
                                                      Agreed, but what do we do to change the History?

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                                                        • DR_PHIL
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                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                          • 4099
                                                          #15
                                                          everyone starts somewhere, lots of newbies streaming in..this sounds like a "i am not getting enough biz so i will bitch" thread..

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                                                            • mind
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                                                              • Apr 2004
                                                              • 1199
                                                              #16
                                                              No my business is doing just fine...it was just after visiting a "webdesigners" butt ugly website - and saying to myself...wtf! so not bitching, just amazed ;)

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                                                                • Roald
                                                                  SecretFriends.com
                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                  • 27910
                                                                  #17
                                                                  I am not considering myself as a "top notch" designer allthough this is my fulltime job. Problem is that a lot of people think only the prettiest designs convert. Than why is it that I have a huge recurring client list?

                                                                  As you can obviously see my designs aren't anything near Mike W's designs (designswise and pricewise) but who knows wich is converting better? Unless you tried it all you will never know who make the best converting sites wich is way more important than the most beautifull site.

                                                                  You've got to look through the eyes of the surfer, not the webmaster. They only want the porn and probably don't give a fuck about the layout at all. If they wanted a piece of art they would go to the museum.



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                                                                    • machinegunkelly
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                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                      • 3304
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Im just trying to save up for photoshop , get off my back
                                                                      dead.

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                                                                        • Ironhorse
                                                                          Pixel Pusher
                                                                          • Nov 2002
                                                                          • 7094
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Who died and elected you design police? You will find competition everywhere, good and bad. You sound alot like the immigrant that made it to the US and bitches about how the border needs to be sealed
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                                                                            • Ironhorse
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                                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                                              • 7094
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by QuaShe
                                                                              I am not considering myself as a "top notch" designer allthough this is my fulltime job. Problem is that a lot of people think only the prettiest designs convert. Than why is it that I have a huge recurring client list?

                                                                              As you can obviously see my designs aren't anything near Mike W's designs (designswise and pricewise) but who knows wich is converting better? Unless you tried it all you will never know who make the best converting sites wich is way more important than the most beautifull site.

                                                                              You've got to look through the eyes of the surfer, not the webmaster. They only want the porn and probably don't give a fuck about the layout at all. If they wanted a piece of art they would go to the museum.

                                                                              Dude no offense, but if 'pretty design' didn't sell you think this is why companies like Coke and McDonalds pour millions/billions into new designs constantly. With your theory you would buy your soda in a transparent plastic bag..yummy. Think about it
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                                                                                • Roald
                                                                                  SecretFriends.com
                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                  • 27910
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Ironhorse


                                                                                  Dude no offense, but if 'pretty design' didn't sell you think this is why companies like Coke and McDonalds pour millions/billions into new designs constantly. With your theory you would buy your soda in a transparent plastic bag..yummy. Think about it
                                                                                  Not offended at all just trying to follow up in a nice thread.

                                                                                  Anyway I don't think that you can put porn and coca cola in the same box at all, think about that


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                                                                                    • Rob
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                                                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                                                      • 13310
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      If you're a good designer it will show in your work. You can tell the filter junkies out there and they easily get weeded out. I'm never in fear of being challenged as a designer because I know I'm good. It's going to take more than a 15 year old with a pirated copy of Photoshop the threaten me.

                                                                                      I also joined the Graphic Artist Guild about 4 years ago and they they hard to maintain a certain level of professionalism with all their members.

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                                                                                        • smack
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                                                                                          • Mar 2002
                                                                                          • 10652
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          ya know what. i was just thinking the same exact thing about content providers.
                                                                                          Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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                                                                                            • thediablo
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                                                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                                                              • 630
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Well, as for the contests and shit, some people are desperate for money and some of us(im new in the industry) just want to show what we can do and shit, so people can msg and ask for work if they like what we do. And if we win the price nice

                                                                                              And no offense to anyone, but 80% of the designers in here suck.
                                                                                              not pointing to anyone, just saying of what i have seen.

                                                                                              And Pretty designs convert very well, Pretty means different shit from the rest of the Sites out there (paysites, tgp's, freesites , banners, fpa's, etc...)

                                                                                              But also the amateur design convert well in some cases, but if u make a Pretty Amateur Design :D




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                                                                                                • mind
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                                                                                                  • Apr 2004
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Ironhorse
                                                                                                  Who died and elected you design police? You will find competition everywhere, good and bad. You sound alot like the immigrant that made it to the US and bitches about how the border needs to be sealed
                                                                                                  I was only trying to get oppionions here - and your clearly stated yours

                                                                                                  In general i think there is room for everyone - i can however still be amazed what some people are trying to sell of as designs - sure different tastes and all that... but thats just my oppinion ;)

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                                                                                                    • cayne
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                                                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                                                      • 7475
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      I'm not a designer? Does that help anyone? I think the most important thing is the result and it doesn't matter if the result was done by a "unkown" or a "well-known" designer.
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                                                                                                        • doornx
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                                                                                                          • Nov 2003
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          i started in '99 and knew shit about photoshop or html, in 5 years i taught myself every prog there is and recently i started a design site. So basically it took me 5 years of training, i'm no mikeW but i sure can tell the difference between a good design and utter crap

                                                                                                          and to be honest..there are too many crappy designers out there
                                                                                                          who just got their copy of CS cracked
                                                                                                          Send me a PM for design work

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                                                                                                            • axelcat
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                                                                                                              • Jun 2002
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              There are just a handful of good ones out there

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                                                                                                                • Roald
                                                                                                                  SecretFriends.com
                                                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                                                  • 27910
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by cayne
                                                                                                                  I'm not a designer? Does that help anyone? I think the most important thing is the result and it doesn't matter if the result was done by a "unkown" or a "well-known" designer.


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                                                                                                                    • Quatermain
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                                                                                                                      • Jan 2004
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by mind
                                                                                                                      Is it just me or is the designing industry becomming infected with people who think that it requires no talent whatsoever to create designs and websites?

                                                                                                                      Is there any other business where people from one day to another can start a business and hahahahaha designer on the business card the next day?

                                                                                                                      - Is it just me? i dunno, but it is really starting to amaze me how shitty some of the designers out there are.
                                                                                                                      Questions about whether design is necessary or affordable are quite beside the point: design is inevitable.

                                                                                                                      The alternative to good design is bad design, not no design at all.

                                                                                                                      Go into your house and redesign it the same way your web sites are designed.

                                                                                                                      The basement will be the first thing you see, the kitchen will be unreachable except through the bedroom and both bathrooms, the bedroom will be on six different floors, and the dog will be in every room at once.

                                                                                                                      Design without the ego.

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                                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
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                                                                                                                          #31
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                                                                                                                            • MetaMan
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                                                                                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                              • 28682
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              there are to many idiots in the adult scene period, whether its someone saying they can program, a designer saying his stuff converts or a content producer that calls himself a "professional". people think they can just enter the scene, not pay any dues and compete with seasoned pros. this is why u see so many people in and out.

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                                                                                                                                • Quatermain
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                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                  • 328
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by QuaShe
                                                                                                                                  I am not considering myself as a "top notch" designer allthough this is my fulltime job. Problem is that a lot of people think only the prettiest designs convert. Than why is it that I have a huge recurring client list?
                                                                                                                                  Form follows function has always been misunderstood. Form and function should be one, joined in union.

                                                                                                                                  You are a "top notch" designer. The work you have done is a testament to that fact.

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                                                                                                                                    • jonesy
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                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2003
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      90% of those who run companies, wether theyre mainstream or adult, dont know fuck about what looks good or how a site should be designed..

                                                                                                                                      they have no aesthetic whatsoever.

                                                                                                                                      ive designed sites for some mainstream as well as adult that were dictated to me from begining to end by these so called "executives" that are so embarrasing that i dont put my name on them.
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                                                                                                                                        • Serge Litehead
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                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2002
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by cayne
                                                                                                                                          I'm not a designer? Does that help anyone? I think the most important thing is the result and it doesn't matter if the result was done by a "unkown" or a "well-known" designer.

                                                                                                                                          well-known designer enhances the result no matter how you look at it, hell if you go with award winning designer, wouldn't you feel good about having your project showcasing in thier top-notch portfolio?

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