I need 10Mbps dedicated. Can anyone REPUTABLE beat $399?

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  • MrJackMeHoff
    Confirmed User
    • Mar 2004
    • 4569

    #61
    Originally posted by WireSix-Ryan
    heh, I've got one of those right now, purchased a 25mbps package and gets everythign up and going, spikes to roughly 6-7mbps but even on 95% he's still below 6mbps said he was using all 20mbps at his previous host... heh
    See its not just me..

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    • MrJackMeHoff
      Confirmed User
      • Mar 2004
      • 4569

      #62
      Originally posted by mgold
      ok so what is price on true Tier 1 traffic per meg?

      Anyone selling this makes there money like this: (article posted on www.thewhir.com)

      Scam: here is the biggest scam in the hosting industry in bandwidth resale. When you buy 1 Meg of traffic chances are you will not use a full 1 Meg for the entire month. It is also very likely that you will only use about 40-50%, but you may burst for few a minutes during high traffic peaks. What many hosting companies have done in the past and are still doing today, is take 2 different people that both pay for 1 Mbps and have them share the same Meg of allocated bandwidth. Basically, they are banking on the fact that when you burst the other company will probably not and vice versa. Therefore a hosting company can sell you bandwidth for $50 p/Mbps and sell it to another company at the same price making $100 p/Mbps.

      Now many people say who cares? Well here is the reason why you should care. Have you ever typed in a url of a site you know exists, or a link on the site and it brings up ?The page can not be displayed?? Well what just happened is that secession that you just initiated did not have enough bandwidth to display, in hosting terms that is called packet loss. So how would you like for your customer to try to order something from your site and get that page over and over again? Well that is what will happen if both you and another person that shares your bandwidth have high traffic on both of your sites at the same time.

      I think its more of a future problem.. More of these fuckjob hosts (webair/phatservers) whoever will just get more and more greedy and sell more and more people the same bandwidth.. As the prices supposedly get cheaper and cheaper.. You all will suffer in the end and youhave only yourselves to blame.

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      • MrJackMeHoff
        Confirmed User
        • Mar 2004
        • 4569

        #63
        Wow this thread got quiet

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        • Snake Doctor
          I'm Lenny2 Bitch
          • Mar 2001
          • 13449

          #64
          Originally posted by MrJackMeHoff
          Wow this thread got quiet
          yah it did
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          • dubsix
            Confirmed User
            • Dec 2004
            • 363

            #65
            *dead*

            food comes before petty gfy arguements ;)

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            • sjoerdv
              Confirmed User
              • Jun 2002
              • 350

              #66
              Quite simple, if you like to have a 10 Mbit uplink and want to be sure you really have the 10 Mbit and not shared bandwidth as mentioned before you are not going to have this for these extreme low prices. Just call Level3 for example or Interroute or any other good carrier and ask them what they are charging for 100 Mbit. As adulthoster we are having contracts with several carriers, investing in equipent like Juniper routers, foundry switches etc etc...
              Any hoster which can make offers at these low prices are scamming. They won't deliver what they promise. Feel free to do business at this level but when you are serious about your business pls look for a serious host. It bothers me everytime to see people wanting to do business online but who are not willing to pay for a descent infrastructure.

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              • Rhino22
                Confirmed User
                • Jan 2004
                • 2288

                #67
                Originally posted by sjoerdv
                Quite simple, if you like to have a 10 Mbit uplink and want to be sure you really have the 10 Mbit and not shared bandwidth as mentioned before you are not going to have this for these extreme low prices. Just call Level3 for example or Interroute or any other good carrier and ask them what they are charging for 100 Mbit. As adulthoster we are having contracts with several carriers, investing in equipent like Juniper routers, foundry switches etc etc...
                Any hoster which can make offers at these low prices are scamming. They won't deliver what they promise. Feel free to do business at this level but when you are serious about your business pls look for a serious host. It bothers me everytime to see people wanting to do business online but who are not willing to pay for a descent infrastructure.

                are you saying that Phatservers and Webair are scamers? Who would you recommend that is good in your eyes

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                • Snake Doctor
                  I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                  • Mar 2001
                  • 13449

                  #68
                  Originally posted by sjoerdv
                  Quite simple, if you like to have a 10 Mbit uplink and want to be sure you really have the 10 Mbit and not shared bandwidth as mentioned before you are not going to have this for these extreme low prices. Just call Level3 for example or Interroute or any other good carrier and ask them what they are charging for 100 Mbit. As adulthoster we are having contracts with several carriers, investing in equipent like Juniper routers, foundry switches etc etc...
                  Any hoster which can make offers at these low prices are scamming. They won't deliver what they promise. Feel free to do business at this level but when you are serious about your business pls look for a serious host. It bothers me everytime to see people wanting to do business online but who are not willing to pay for a descent infrastructure.
                  I also recommend doing business with people that speak and write in proper english and know how to spell.

                  Also, calling Level3 and asking what they charge for a 100meg drop won't give you any idea of what you should pay for bandwidth.
                  If you buy 5 gige lines you're going to get a much better rate than someone who buys 100megs.

                  Its the same as Wal Mart selling me cheese cheaper than I could buy it directly from Kraft for, even if I bought it by the case, and Wal-Mart still makes a profit.
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                  • sjoerdv
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jun 2002
                    • 350

                    #69
                    Originally posted by Lenny2
                    I also recommend doing business with people that speak and write in proper english and know how to spell.

                    Also, calling Level3 and asking what they charge for a 100meg drop won't give you any idea of what you should pay for bandwidth.
                    If you buy 5 gige lines you're going to get a much better rate than someone who buys 100megs.

                    Its the same as Wal Mart selling me cheese cheaper than I could buy it directly from Kraft for, even if I bought it by the case, and Wal-Mart still makes a profit.
                    Well at least my english is much better than your dutch. And calling level3 will give you a good idea of what the costs are hosts have to pay/invest to offer good quality. I won't advertise myself in this post but we are doing business with some major players. Guess why they don't mind paying a bit extra. And guess why they don't mind my english not be so fluent as yours.
                    Only wanted to express my ideas. You're getting what you pay for.

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                    • Magg
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 4467

                      #70
                      I can get Level(3) at $18/Meg, maybe $15.. direct from L3, just depends on your commits.

                      So calling and asking about a 100Meg commit is not going to get you anywhere, and you also need to know some reps to get the lower pricing.

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                      • sjoerdv
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jun 2002
                        • 350

                        #71
                        Originally posted by Magg
                        I can get Level(3) at $18/Meg, maybe $15.. direct from L3, just depends on your commits.

                        So calling and asking about a 100Meg commit is not going to get you anywhere, and you also need to know some reps to get the lower pricing.
                        If I would make this offer

                        Dual XEON 2.1 Ghz
                        1024 MB ECC RAM
                        68 GB SCSI HD
                        10 mbps Transfer
                        Fully Managed Server

                        For $399 I would have to find another job to pay my rent. Any other host who can seriously offer this needs to explain to me what I'm doing wrong.

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                        • Magg
                          Confirmed User
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 4467

                          #72
                          I was not say that offer was one that I'd make or even saying its a good offer, I'd be very afraid if I was the customer wondering if my server was going to dissapear one night.


                          My point was that bandwidth depends on commitment level, thats the way it works, so you cant call Level3 and just ask for a 100mb commit price and compare it to your quote. It also depends on location, as pricing is sometimes location specific.


                          Everyone who wants cheap shit forgets about:

                          - buying switches
                          - buying routers
                          - buying parts for the routers and switches
                          - space costs
                          - power costs
                          - internal networking costs
                          - initial hardware costs (no matter what you want to believe, a server still does cost ~$700 (for a p4 2.8) if youre buying a real rackmount)
                          - replacement hardware costs (what if something goes bad, theres gotta be hotspare replacements)
                          - IP costs (they arnt free either)
                          - your fully managed service cost (people want money to be available to help customers who are whining)
                          - software license costs


                          tons of other shit... you think $399 covers it all? HAHA.

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                          • SinSational
                            Confirmed User
                            • Oct 2004
                            • 1723

                            #73
                            unlisted specials

                            $299.95/month
                            10Mbps Capped Port (approx. 3000GB of Bandwidth)
                            1x18GB SCSI (option to add more)
                            1x1.26GHz (option to add more)
                            512MB RAM (option to add more)
                            100% Fully Managed

                            499.95/month
                            20Mbps Port Burstable to 100Mbps (approx. 6300GB of Bandwidth)
                            1x18GB SCSI (option to add more)
                            1x1.26GHz (option to add more)
                            512MB RAM (option to add more)
                            100% Fully Managed

                            $1499.95/month
                            100Mbps
                            1x72GB SCSI (option to add more)
                            1x2.66GHz (option to add more)
                            1024MB RAM (option to add more)
                            100% Fully Managed

                            ICQ# 273099174 - monthly specials - 2 Month Free Credit on All Plans - 100% Referrals - chris@ for details
                            Virtual from $14.95/month, Dedicated from $149.95/month
                            Dual-Core Xeon > 1000GB @ $149.95 | 1500GB @ $169.95 | 10Mbps @ $269.95

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                            • sjoerdv
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jun 2002
                              • 350

                              #74
                              Originally posted by Magg
                              I was not say that offer was one that I'd make or even saying its a good offer, I'd be very afraid if I was the customer wondering if my server was going to dissapear one night.


                              My point was that bandwidth depends on commitment level, thats the way it works, so you cant call Level3 and just ask for a 100mb commit price and compare it to your quote. It also depends on location, as pricing is sometimes location specific.


                              Everyone who wants cheap shit forgets about:

                              - buying switches
                              - buying routers
                              - buying parts for the routers and switches
                              - space costs
                              - power costs
                              - internal networking costs
                              - initial hardware costs (no matter what you want to believe, a server still does cost ~$700 (for a p4 2.8) if youre buying a real rackmount)
                              - replacement hardware costs (what if something goes bad, theres gotta be hotspare replacements)
                              - IP costs (they arnt free either)
                              - your fully managed service cost (people want money to be available to help customers who are whining)
                              - software license costs


                              tons of other shit... you think $399 covers it all? HAHA.
                              This is exactly what I ment. BTW add to the list the salary of supportengineers.

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                              • sjoerdv
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jun 2002
                                • 350

                                #75
                                Just woke up here, was on your list already

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