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  • eroswebmaster
    March 1st, 2003
    • Jul 2001
    • 20295

    #1

    Should Sponsors Only Accept Affiliates Who Have References?

    I brought this up at one of the seminars and a few things discussed was the liability involved if a sponsor gave a bad reference.

    However I'm sure it happens all the time outside of written contact.

    This could of course help nip the cheating in the bud, but could very well hurt an honest webmaster who had been accused maybe wrongfully.

    In this day and age sponsors will have to take a very proactive approach in making sure to comply with Visa and it seems like knowing who you are dealing with and where their traffic is coming from is going to be a major factor.
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  • chowda
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    • Jun 2003
    • 9527

    #2
    i think i would if i allow spamming.
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    • [Brian]
      Confirmed User
      • Mar 2001
      • 1523

      #3
      We accepted you into our program with no references...

      don't be worried, send some traffic!

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      • eroswebmaster
        March 1st, 2003
        • Jul 2001
        • 20295

        #4
        Originally posted by [Brian]
        We accepted you into our program with no references...

        don't be worried, send some traffic!
        LOL okay it is time to unleash the russian credit card mafia ! ;)

        j/k
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        • riosluts
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          • Sep 2003
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          #5
          I bet in 10 years you will need a license probably to be an adult webmaster. You'll have to go to Adult University and learn all the basics and such.

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          • eroswebmaster
            March 1st, 2003
            • Jul 2001
            • 20295

            #6
            Originally posted by riosluts
            I bet in 10 years you will need a license probably to be an adult webmaster. You'll have to go to Adult University and learn all the basics and such.
            I hear the DeVry institute is already taking applications.
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            • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
              best designer on GFY
              • Mar 2003
              • 30307

              #7
              On the same token affiliates need to know they are doing business with but really Sponsor's have always known this and only recently have they started watching who there affiliates are.

              Having ad's everwhere begging for webmasters to become affiliates actually is bad business without a screening process.

              I think it is a good practice to prevent fraudmasters from comming into a program ridding them makes a program stronger, after all fraudmasters are what hurt webmasters.

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              • Sly_RJ
                Live Hard - Die Hard
                • Feb 2002
                • 17042

                #8
                Originally posted by eroswebmaster
                This could of course help nip the cheating in the bud, but could very well hurt an honest webmaster who had been accused maybe wrongfully.
                An honest webmaster would have several positive referrals. One or two negative referrals shouldn't be a problem. Furthermore, if the webmaster was having bad luck with a program, he wouldn't list them as a reference.

                I don't see this being any different than references on a job application.
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                • =^..^=
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                  • Jan 2002
                  • 6935

                  #9
                  i cant see that it woudl be such a bad idea
                  really who would be opposed except the cheaters?
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                  • m00d
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • May 2002
                    • 3129

                    #10
                    no! that is total horse crap! if I piss off pimpdogg on gfy I get a bad reference! fuck that too many retards in this industry.

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                    • Sly_RJ
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                      • Feb 2002
                      • 17042

                      #11
                      Originally posted by m00d
                      no! that is total horse crap! if I piss off pimpdogg on gfy I get a bad reference! fuck that too many retards in this industry.
                      Why would you list pimpdog as a reference?
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                      • m00d
                        So Fucking Banned
                        • May 2002
                        • 3129

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                        An honest webmaster would have several positive referrals.
                        what if you are just beginning? where do you get these referrals? what if you've only started 6 months ago using one sponsor who cheats you and wont give you a good reference? if sponsors want to go out of business this is a good way to do it. twist our arms just a little bit more in favor of doing our own billing

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                        • High Quality
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                          • Feb 2002
                          • 5741

                          #13
                          Naw, just make sure theres no chargeback history wht that affiliate

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                          • m00d
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                            • May 2002
                            • 3129

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                            Why would you list pimpdog as a reference?
                            that was a hypothetical. i could pull out 20 sponsors who have total dickwad retards working the boards for them for this example.

                            next thing you know some of the bottom scrapers on here will have a service setup , " pay us x amount of cash for good reference."

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                            • Trax
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                              • Aug 2001
                              • 14486

                              #15
                              i really like the idea
                              i wouldnt want to have every cheating fuck out there promote my program!

                              purecash doesnt seem to run bad with it

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                              • eroswebmaster
                                March 1st, 2003
                                • Jul 2001
                                • 20295

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Trax
                                i really like the idea
                                i wouldnt want to have every cheating fuck out there promote my program!

                                purecash doesnt seem to run bad with it
                                Actually I was speaking to the boys at purecash and from what they told me they no longer do that.
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                                • Sly_RJ
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                                  • Feb 2002
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by m00d
                                  what if you are just beginning? where do you get these referrals?
                                  Things can easily be done on a trial basis, just like getting your first job.

                                  This isn't rocket science. As an affiliate I get fucked right and left by lower payouts because sponsors need to cover their ass from cheaters. As an affiliate I welcome a reference based system. I've already participated in several.

                                  I don't like cheaters. Either should you. They screw up good things.
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                                  • toonces
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                                    • Feb 2003
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                                    #18
                                    We do that with affiliattes that we send to our merchant accounts.

                                    Other webmasters we put through the most fraud analysis we can, then let the third party billers do their job.
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                                    • m00d
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                                      • May 2002
                                      • 3129

                                      #19
                                      this is elitist crap. you guys wanna start a good ol' boys club in porn. well wake up! cause it ain't going to happen. no matter how much you sit on gfy and dream of being able to keep others out of your chosen profession, it's a pipe dream.

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                                      • Theo
                                        HAL 9000
                                        • May 2001
                                        • 34515

                                        #20
                                        9 out of 10 sponsors will give you a blowjob to join their program
                                        and with 2-3 new sponsors/day that's like science fiction.

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                                        • polish_aristocrat
                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                          • Jul 2002
                                          • 40377

                                          #21
                                          How about new webmasters?
                                          They would have no reference.
                                          I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                                          • Sly_RJ
                                            Live Hard - Die Hard
                                            • Feb 2002
                                            • 17042

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by m00d
                                            this is elitist crap. you guys wanna start a good ol' boys club in porn. well wake up! cause it ain't going to happen. no matter how much you sit on gfy and dream of being able to keep others out of your chosen profession, it's a pipe dream.
                                            You're just upset that you aren't perfect.

                                            Like Soul Rebel just mentioned, it doesn't really matter, there will always be new programs desperate for affiliates that will let anyone in. Stop flipping out.
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                                            • eroswebmaster
                                              March 1st, 2003
                                              • Jul 2001
                                              • 20295

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                              You're just upset that you aren't perfect.

                                              Like Soul Rebel just mentioned, it doesn't really matter, there will always be new programs desperate for affiliates that will let anyone in. Stop flipping out.
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                                              • m00d
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                                                • May 2002
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                Things can easily be done on a trial basis, just like getting your first job.

                                                This isn't rocket science. As an affiliate I get fucked right and left by lower payouts because sponsors need to cover their ass from cheaters. As an affiliate I welcome a reference based system. I've already participated in several.

                                                I don't like cheaters. Either should you. They screw up good things.
                                                I agree with everything you said about cheaters affecting all our pocketbooks. That's what comes with having a free society ( dont start arguing if we are actually free, this isn't a polisci thread).
                                                There wouldn't need to be a justice system if some idiots didn't break the law. Just imagine how us non-criminals could live if the govt didnt spend our tax money on crime. Why we would have streets paved with gold, the best schools in the world, free healthcare, free college educations, etc.

                                                I wish I could live one day with the ability to make everything work in the way that best benefits me. I really do...




                                                i gotta stop daydreaming.

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                                                • WiredGuy
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                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                  • 34515

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                  9 out of 10 sponsors will give you a blowjob to join their program
                                                  and with 2-3 new sponsors/day that's like science fiction.
                                                  I need to update my list of sponsors apparently
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                                                  • m00d
                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                    • May 2002
                                                    • 3129

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                    You're just upset that you aren't perfect.

                                                    Like Soul Rebel just mentioned, it doesn't really matter, there will always be new programs desperate for affiliates that will let anyone in. Stop flipping out.
                                                    I'm not perfect? Go find one sponsor I've ever used who has ANYTHING negative to say about me and I will paypal you $100.

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                                                    • eroswebmaster
                                                      March 1st, 2003
                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                      • 20295

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by m00d
                                                      I agree with everything you said about cheaters affecting all our pocketbooks. That's what comes with having a free society ( dont start arguing if we are actually free, this isn't a polisci thread).
                                                      There wouldn't need to be a justice system if some idiots didn't break the law. Just imagine how us non-criminals could live if the govt didnt spend our tax money on crime. Why we would have streets paved with gold, the best schools in the world, free healthcare, free college educations, etc.

                                                      I wish I could live one day with the ability to make everything work in the way that best benefits me. I really do...




                                                      i gotta stop daydreaming.

                                                      I love how people confuse free societies and free enterprise with being allowed to operate your business in your best interest.

                                                      You have rights and freedoms but they don't extend to you joining an affiliate program...LOL

                                                      This is not about setting up a good ol' boy network..but about making sure your business will be around at the end of this year, and the next so on and so on.
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                                                      • Sly_RJ
                                                        Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                        • 17042

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by m00d
                                                        I agree with everything you said about cheaters affecting all our pocketbooks. That's what comes with having a free society ( dont start arguing if we are actually free, this isn't a polisci thread).
                                                        There wouldn't need to be a justice system if some idiots didn't break the law. Just imagine how us non-criminals could live if the govt didnt spend our tax money on crime. Why we would have streets paved with gold, the best schools in the world, free healthcare, free college educations, etc.

                                                        I wish I could live one day with the ability to make everything work in the way that best benefits me. I really do...




                                                        i gotta stop daydreaming.
                                                        It isn't day dreaming! How dense are you? Right now I'm sending traffic to 2 private programs that have higher payouts than any other similar programs in the industry. See how sweet that is? I'm making MORE money largely because of no cheating.

                                                        Holy shit Batman! A revelation!
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                                                        • m00d
                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                          • May 2002
                                                          • 3129

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by eroswebmaster



                                                          I love how people confuse free societies and free enterprise with being allowed to operate your business in your best interest.

                                                          You have rights and freedoms but they don't extend to you joining an affiliate program...LOL

                                                          This is not about setting up a good ol' boy network..but about making sure your business will be around at the end of this year, and the next so on and so on.
                                                          I make sure my business will be around next year all by myself. If the whole AVS system ends tomorrow, I've planned my business and my life for that possibilty. Would it really really hurt? Hell yeah! I'd weep. But my business would be far from over. I've made it in this business for many years on my own, I can keep me there.

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                                                          • eroswebmaster
                                                            March 1st, 2003
                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                            • 20295

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by m00d
                                                            I make sure my business will be around next year all by myself. If the whole AVS system ends tomorrow, I've planned my business and my life for that possibilty. Would it really really hurt? Hell yeah! I'd weep. But my business would be far from over. I've made it in this business for many years on my own, I can keep me there.
                                                            I'm not referring to your business being around, I'm referring to a sponsors business being around.

                                                            The day of setting up a front page that leads to a bunch of plug in content and 1,000 pics bought in a blow out deal while advertising 10,000 on the tour are over.

                                                            Sponsors have to ensure that they have what they are selling, and need to make sure that their webmasters are not sandbagging them in the process.
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                                                            • m00d
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                                                              • May 2002
                                                              • 3129

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                              It isn't day dreaming! How dense are you? Right now I'm sending traffic to 2 private programs that have higher payouts than any other similar programs in the industry. See how sweet that is? I'm making MORE money largely because of no cheating.

                                                              Holy shit Batman! A revelation!
                                                              You can't stick to talking about the topic. You start hurling grade school insults. Your personal attacks render it impossible to have a debate on merits with you.

                                                              Go argue with amp or something.

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                                                              • m00d
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • May 2002
                                                                • 3129

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by eroswebmaster


                                                                I'm not referring to your business being around, I'm referring to a sponsors business being around.

                                                                The day of setting up a front page that leads to a bunch of plug in content and 1,000 pics bought in a blow out deal while advertising 10,000 on the tour are over.

                                                                Sponsors have to ensure that they have what they are selling, and need to make sure that their webmasters are not sandbagging them in the process.
                                                                I couldn't agree more with what you said. Requiring references isn't the way to achieve that.

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                                                                • Nismo
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                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                  • 4977

                                                                  #33
                                                                  What about new webmasters who are new to the biz?
                                                                  i buy massive xxx dating traffic.

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                                                                  • eroswebmaster
                                                                    March 1st, 2003
                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                    • 20295

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by m00d
                                                                    I couldn't agree more with what you said. Requiring references isn't the way to achieve that.
                                                                    That's very debatable...it's not a way you'd personally like to see in how to handle things, but it may be end up being the way things are handled by some established sponsors.

                                                                    Do I think it will happen 100%? No not really, this is more of a discussion an extension on what was already being discussed a few days ago.

                                                                    It's already being done at this point behind closed doors, and neither one of us will ever know about it.

                                                                    A sponsor is taking many chances, gambling on many things and they are hoping that with each new webmaster they bring in they've allowed in the next whale...so just with that in mind I don't foresee it happening.
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                                                                    • AK
                                                                      MadZuma
                                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                                      • 6436

                                                                      #35
                                                                      that is not a bad idea..

                                                                      how about posting it on a site..
                                                                      maybe something like this
                                                                      www.blacklist.com

                                                                      this should be a non profit site, just to help sponsors know who to NOT doing business with, and vice versa.

                                                                      oh, i just looked at blaklist.com
                                                                      it's on sale... hahahahha
                                                                      the owner is looking for an idea what to make of the site.
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                                                                      • stevecore
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                                                                        • May 2003
                                                                        • 6130

                                                                        #36
                                                                        speaking from a graphic design standpoint, 99.9% of my business is refferal only and i perfer it that way. i do not wish to deal with people i do not know on a personal basis but if a good friend reffers them then i know they can be trusted.

                                                                        it eliminates pretty much any chance of getting ripped off.

                                                                        as for sponsors, there are some affiliate programs out there that have done this... QB was one, until released to the public. Probably the most successful case out of any that went this route IMHO. But in any case, sponsors with good fraud protection will continue to take anyone and everyone and hopefully they can catch these scammers prior to doing them any major damage.

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                                                                        • eroswebmaster
                                                                          March 1st, 2003
                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                          • 20295

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by stevecore
                                                                          speaking from a graphic design standpoint, 99.9% of my business is refferal only and i perfer it that way. i do not wish to deal with people i do not know on a personal basis but if a good friend reffers them then i know they can be trusted.
                                                                          I need some references before I will allow you to continue posting in this thread.
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                                                                          • Sly_RJ
                                                                            Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                            • 17042

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by m00d
                                                                            You can't stick to talking about the topic. You start hurling grade school insults. Your personal attacks render it impossible to have a debate on merits with you.

                                                                            Go argue with amp or something.
                                                                            I'm just playing with you because you seem riled up. Haha.

                                                                            Requiring references has both advantages and disadvantages. I, personally, like the idea.
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                                                                            • stevecore
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                                                                              • May 2003
                                                                              • 6130

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by eroswebmaster


                                                                              I need some references before I will allow you to continue posting in this thread.
                                                                              ummm let's see....


                                                                              *runs out of thread*

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                                                                              • eroswebmaster
                                                                                March 1st, 2003
                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                • 20295

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by stevecore


                                                                                ummm let's see....


                                                                                *runs out of thread*
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                                                                                • m00d
                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                                  • 3129

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                                                  I'm just playing with you because you seem riled up. Haha.

                                                                                  Requiring references has both advantages and disadvantages. I, personally, like the idea.
                                                                                  Yeah, I did get riled up. It's just that I despise anything that makes it seem as if sponsors are doing us a favor by accepting our traffic or sales. It's the opposite. I get really pissed when it's suggested otherwise. It's like all those threads calling for pay to post on Gfy. What in hell is wrong with you people is what I say? You would pay to post on GFY? Pageviews are plenty enough for GFY crew. I don't like sponsors/boards getting too uppity. I see this a lot on the boards, yet have never experienced it first hand from any sponsor I've used. I will never use a sponsor that treats me like they are doing me a favor by letting me make them money. Fuck that. They'll have to go bye-bye.

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                                                                                  • eroswebmaster
                                                                                    March 1st, 2003
                                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                                    • 20295

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by m00d
                                                                                    Yeah, I did get riled up. It's just that I despise anything that makes it seem as if sponsors are doing us a favor by accepting our traffic or sales. It's the opposite. I get really pissed when it's suggested otherwise. It's like all those threads calling for pay to post on Gfy. What in hell is wrong with you people is what I say? You would pay to post on GFY? Pageviews are plenty enough for GFY crew. I don't like sponsors/boards getting too uppity. I see this a lot on the boards, yet have never experienced it first hand from any sponsor I've used. I will never use a sponsor that treats me like they are doing me a favor by letting me make them money. Fuck that. They'll have to go bye-bye.
                                                                                    The simple fact is this biz is getting tougher and needs to.

                                                                                    It is because of the free swinging "wild west" days that has lead people to take such drastic measures as to initiate partnership requirements for submissions...or even paid submissions...you will see more and more things like this in the future.

                                                                                    yeah I guess eventually it will be a good ol' boy's network but it won't be something you can't ever break into. But instead of pretending that the barriers to enter this biz won't get any tougher prepare yourself now.

                                                                                    Get to know people, the sponsors, the tgps owners, the gallery submitters whoever you do biz with.

                                                                                    It's amazing how many people you rely on daily just to get biz done...get to know them and you won't have to worry about being shut out.
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                                                                                    • RockDaddy
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                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                      • 750

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      I wouldn't care as long as they were quick about it, I tried signing up with one that required that and they took almost two weeks to get back to me with an approval. I said fuck it by that point.

                                                                                      On the other hand, as in giving employee references, there are legal guidelines as to what you can say and can't. Don't know how that would apply here but I'm sure it would rear it's ugly head at some point.

                                                                                      But anything that cuts down on fraud, shaving and the endless supply of newbies I would support!

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                                                                                      • Axeman
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                                                                                        • Feb 2004
                                                                                        • 5201

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        I think it will head in that direction for some sponsors, but you will always have a few programs that are looking for traffic from anyone and anyhahahaha.


                                                                                        It definitely pays to know who is sending you traffic.
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                                                                                        • TDF
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                                                                                          • Mar 2002
                                                                                          • 27296

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          sponsors are defintiely more selective wqith who theyw ant promoting them
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                                                                                          • eroswebmaster
                                                                                            March 1st, 2003
                                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                                            • 20295

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by toodamnfli
                                                                                            sponsors are defintiely more selective wqith who theyw ant promoting them
                                                                                            I agree and the key sponsors will probably include more stringent inspections of sites etc in the near future.
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