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  • Roger
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    • Jul 2003
    • 3181

    #1

    Justice Department is cracking down on adult pornography

    Isn't it impressive how this administration is trying to destroy everything that the US stood for? Obviously those anti-American nuts never liked what there country is about.

    article.

    WASHINGTON - Lam Nguyen arrives at work most mornings, a Starbucks in hand, switches on his computer and begins trolling for porn.

    As a high-tech investigator for the Justice Department, Nguyen's job is to surf for the worst of the worst. Until recently that mostly meant tracking down child pornography.

    But the Justice Department has begun aggressively policing adult pornography as well, a turnaround from the Clinton administration, which brought almost no such cases.

    So far, the Bush administration has a perfect record in the 25 adult obscenity cases it's filed. The cases, brought in mostly conservative communities across the country, ended in two guilty verdicts and 23 guilty pleas. Charges are pending in a dozen other cases.

    And the crackdown is expanding. Earlier this year, Attorney General John Ashhahahahaha put noted anti-porn crusader Bruce Taylor on the Justice Department payroll as a senior counsel for the criminal division on obscenity issues. And President Bush's 2005 budget proposal contains $4 million to hire more prosecutors and FBI agents devoted to targeting adult obscenity.

    ...

    They need to prosecute some of the more mainstream material - not just the deviant stuff - and they need to go after some bigger targets." La Rue said.

    She said she expected Taylor's arrival to herald bigger cases on the horizon, which could touch Fortune 500 hotel chains that carry pay-per-view porn in their rooms and cable providers who show hard-core movies.
    So, the guy is now gonna share his time between tracking down child pornography and mainstream porn. I'm sure the pedophiles will be happy to hear that they're now not as much a priority as they used to be.
    Last edited by Roger; 04-03-2004, 05:03 AM.
  • Jedimaster
    Registered User
    • Dec 2003
    • 2120

    #2
    standards must find it patently offensive and without artistic or scientific merit.
    The eel vid from yesterday deffinately had scientific merit

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    • stephanie m.
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      #3
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      • bignasty
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        • Nov 2003
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        #4
        this shit is getting fucking rediculous.
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        • Roger
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          • Jul 2003
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          #5
          Oh and that's not all

          In a 2002 interview with PBS he (Taylor) laid out a zero-tolerance approach and indicated that if cable or Internet companies are making deals with porn producers or distributors "then they are breaking the law just like the pornographers are."

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          • benc
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            • Jan 2002
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            #6
            I think when something goes completely unregulated for so long, the slightest regulating comes of as restrictive.
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            • Roger
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              • Jul 2003
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              #7
              Originally posted by benc
              I think when something goes completely unregulated for so long, the slightest regulating comes of as restrictive.
              Oh you're right, porn is bad. How dare they show porn on PPV? How dare we take pics of hot lesbians?

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              • Dirty F
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                • Jul 2001
                • 59204

                #8
                Are those the same people who keep on screaming land of the free?

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                • broke
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                  • Aug 2003
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                  #9
                  How dare the Justice Department attempt to enforce laws enacted by the legislature!
                  Perfect Gonzo

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                  • Roger
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                    • Jul 2003
                    • 3181

                    #10
                    Originally posted by broke
                    How dare the Justice Department attempt to enforce laws enacted by the legislature!
                    Is that the excuse you come up with?
                    Every country has some stupid laws that aren't enforced. Do you want me to list you all those blue laws that the US have? Isn't it time to enforce them?

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                    • pornstar2pac
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                      • Nov 2003
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                      #11
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                      • KRL
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                        • Oct 2002
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                        • DR_PHIL
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                          • Oct 2002
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                          #13
                          Too much time and money on their hands,,that will change come november

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                          • tony299
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                            • Aug 2002
                            • 57021

                            #14
                            vote vote vote I cant say it enough.

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                            • Paul Markham
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                              • Jun 2001
                              • 52942

                              #15
                              It's election year and Bush is scared of getting kicked out, so he'll do anything to look good in the eyes of his supporters. Going after porn will do that.

                              However he also needs the vote of ordinary Americans who consume porn and view it as a piece of entertainment. Contrary to what Jan LaRue would like to see, they are not going to start going after Hustler, Penthouse and Vivid. The backlash on such a move would put Bush out of office.

                              Can you imagine what would happen when all the men denied their favourite porn product, go to vote? It's a game of looking like you are doing something to please a minority while not losing another minority.

                              If you are producing anything extreme worry, if not I think you are safe.

                              But we as an industry are an easy target, we could not stand up and unite against Acacia so how do we expect to fair against the White House? We as an industry let others fight our battles for us, so maybe we should not be surprised when we lose.

                              Unite come together and fight or get picked off one by one, choice is that simple.



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                              • loverboy
                                When it rains, it pours
                                • May 2003
                                • 20609

                                #16
                                it has been a never ending story for porn crackdown and i don't think US alone can
                                handle such multi-billion world wide business

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                                • nathan_f
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                                  • Sep 2003
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by pornstar2pac
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                                  • Rictor
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                                    • Jan 2001
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by broke
                                    How dare the Justice Department attempt to enforce laws enacted by the legislature!
                                    What fucking law are you talking about? Obscenity laws? It's all opinion and community standards.

                                    And people in small communities are such hypocrites. Porn videos keep mom and pop video stores in business they get rented so much (Blockbuster and a lot of big chains don't carry them). Then this same small community of 10,000 people decides to prosecute the video store for obscenity, even though 7,000 of them have rented porn from that store before. People in groups are idiots.

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                                    • directfiesta
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                                      • Oct 2002
                                      • 30190

                                      #19
                                      No surprises ...

                                      Time to open a " bible" site selling prayers and graces ....

                                      or convince the Iraqis to come " liberate" you guys in " Operation: USA freedom"....
                                      I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                      But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                      • Roger
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                                        • Jul 2003
                                        • 3181

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by charly
                                        Unite come together and fight or get picked off one by one, choice is that simple.
                                        Does it look like a united industry to you? Many would support anything as long as they're not the target.

                                        First they came for the Jews
                                        and I did not speak out
                                        because I was not a Jew.
                                        Then they came for the Communists
                                        and I did not speak out
                                        because I was not a Communist.
                                        Then they came for the trade unionists
                                        and I did not speak out
                                        because I was not a trade unionist.
                                        Then they came for me
                                        and there was no one left
                                        to speak out for me.

                                        Pastor Martin Niemöller

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                                        • crockett
                                          in a van by the river
                                          • May 2003
                                          • 76818

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by KRL
                                          If you are not diversified internationally you're gambling with your future.
                                          KRL offshore won't matter if the Govt decides to hit where the money comes from.. If you think about it, all they have to do is throw around heavy fines to Visa and Mastercard and it will all come to a screeching halt. The govt can dictate what ever they want if they go after the processors.
                                          In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                          • tony299
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                                            • Aug 2002
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                                            #22
                                            Sadly I never see us becoming a united industry because that involves giving money. To show off at shows webmasters love to spend money but for serious things like the impa ,they have no money. Imagine if every adult webmaster gave $200 to a adult webmaster defense fund, made deals with a few high profile lawyers. Figuring there are 50,000 adult webmasters in the usa thats a 10 million dollar fund, thats pretty strong but that will never happen. I think its because alot of webmasters start their business almost for free, so the concept of paying money for something that doesnt directly pertain to them at the moment is foreign to them .
                                            Last edited by tony286; 04-03-2004, 08:13 AM.

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                                            • directfiesta
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                                              • Oct 2002
                                              • 30190

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Rictor


                                              What fucking law are you talking about? Obscenity laws? It's all opinion and community standards.

                                              Pretty easy to be convicted:

                                              Pornography must pass test to avoid obscenity ruling

                                              By SHANNON MCCAFFREY

                                              Knight Ridder Newspapers


                                              To be considered obscene, material must meet a three-pronged test that the U.S. Supreme Court established in the 1973 case United States v. Miller.

                                              The so-called "Miller test" requires:


                                              That the average person, applying contemporary, adult community standards would find that the work taken as a whole appeals to the prurient interest (for example an erotic, lascivious, abnormal, unhealthy, degrading, shameful or morbid interest in nudity, sex or excretion).


                                              That the work depicts or describes sexual conduct in a patently offensive way.


                                              That a reasonable person would find that the work lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value.

                                              Practically, prosecutors say they almost always bring obscenity charges only if the material clearly shows actual sexual activity.
                                              I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                              But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                              • TheJimmy
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by tony404
                                                Sadly I never see us becoming a united industry because that involves giving money. To show off at shows webmasters love to spend money but for serious things like the impa ,they have no money. Imagine if every adult webmaster gave $200 to a adult webmaster defense fund, made deals with a few high profile lawyers. Figuring there are 50,000 adult webmasters in the usa thats a 10 million dollar fund, thats pretty strong but that will never happen. I think its because alot of webmasters start their business almost for free, so the concept of paying money for something that doesnt directly pertain to them at the moment is foreign to them .

                                                Acutally I agree with you, but the last part, I think is an oversimplification on why this industry won't come together...

                                                I think it's more of a reflection of the psychological & emotional makeup of the majority of people in this biz...

                                                Why do I believe this? Well it's certainly not an issue of not having any cashflow, I think this biz in general has a few duckets. It's not a matter of someone not being able to organize it, there are some amazingly talented & energetic people and companies in this industry....so what's left?
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                                                • Paul Markham
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                                                  • Jun 2001
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by crockett


                                                  KRL offshore won't matter if the Govt decides to hit where the money comes from.. If you think about it, all they have to do is throw around heavy fines to Visa and Mastercard and it will all come to a screeching halt. The govt can dictate what ever they want if they go after the processors.
                                                  Can you imagine how many people would vote against Bush if he did that?

                                                  tony404 you hit the nail on the head. They are all to broke to give to IMPA, but can find enough to get to Vegas, Miami, Pheonix. As I said we are easy targets. No one would touch us if they knew we had the funds to fight back.

                                                  We do the opposite, we support the companies sending money to the enemy.



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                                                  • jscott
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                                                    • Feb 2001
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                                                    #26
                                                    bush aint getting my vote
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                                                    • TheFrog
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                                                      • Jan 2004
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                                                      #27
                                                      adult pornography

                                                      what other types of pornography is there ?

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                                                      • crockett
                                                        in a van by the river
                                                        • May 2003
                                                        • 76818

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by charly
                                                        Can you imagine how many people would vote against Bush if he did that?

                                                        Yea but do you really think this will stop once the election is over? If Bush wins then it will continue for the next 4 years he will have to deal with his pre election promises.. I was just pointing out a easy way they could bring this industry to it's knees.
                                                        In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                        • emthree
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                                                          #29

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                                                          • Biggy2
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                                                            #30
                                                            The Good News: Kerry leads Bush in the polls.

                                                            The Bad News: Bush hasn't really started campaigning yet, and has a lot more money to campaign - however Bush has some serious flaws - his domestic policy is extremely weak, his foreign policy can easily be attacked..

                                                            if the democrats are smart about their campaigning, we can have a new president, although right now its up in the air...

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                                                            • latinasojourn
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                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                              • 3191

                                                              #31
                                                              what is "obscene" will be determined not by the US DOJ, but by a jury of ordinary americans.

                                                              and this jury will include young people, college students, professional people, the MTV generation.

                                                              if the jury has college students on it no depiction of mainstream adult hardcore will be convicted as "obscene".

                                                              that might have happened 30-40 years ago, it won't happen in an era when many young people think fellatio is not even sex.

                                                              i happened to thumb through my daughter's textbook for a college course she took called "human sexuality".

                                                              (this is a major top 10 american university).

                                                              the workbook for the course has graphic depictions of all forms of adult sexuality, gay and lesbian sex, and the workbook is filled with descriptions of various masturbation techniques talking about the benefits of self-stimulation, the book includes a chapter on using erotica to enhance masturbation. the book talks about sex health issues, anal sex, fellatio including ejaculation into the mouth, and health issue re: swallowing semen. i looked at my daughter's notes for one day---the class was discussing tribadism.

                                                              college level course at a top 10 state univeristy.

                                                              i would love to see the government bring a case against mainstream porn with a jury that includes the college educated.

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                                                              • KRL
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                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                • 31429

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by crockett


                                                                KRL offshore won't matter if the Govt decides to hit where the money comes from.. If you think about it, all they have to do is throw around heavy fines to Visa and Mastercard and it will all come to a screeching halt. The govt can dictate what ever they want if they go after the processors.


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                                                                • High Quality
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                                                                  #33
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                                                                  • Roger
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by latinasojourn
                                                                    what is "obscene" will be determined not by the US DOJ, but by a jury of ordinary americans.

                                                                    and this jury will include young people, college students, professional people, the MTV generation..
                                                                    But where does the trial take place? Does it take place where the webmaster have his content hosted or does it take place in his own city?

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                                                                    • aiken
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Hooray for theocracy!

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                                                                      • mardigras
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                                                                        • Feb 2003
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Roger


                                                                        But where does the trial take place? Does it take place where the webmaster have his content hosted or does it take place in his own city?
                                                                        They probably consider the "crime" occurring when the webmaster built the pages and uploaded them to the internet so my guess is that a webmaster would likely be charged where he was when he did it. Other charges could probably be filed elsewhere depending on how creative they get with the suits.
                                                                        .

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                                                                        • clickhappy
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                                                                          • Mar 2004
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          do people who run link lists and tgps have to worry about obscenity? if the only things on the page are text with links to porn thats hosted by someone else, no images, like thumbzilla or thehun.

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                                                                          • tony299
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                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                            • 57021

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Roger


                                                                            But where does the trial take place? Does it take place where the webmaster have his content hosted or does it take place in his own city?
                                                                            What they do is go into a very conversative city ,get on your website from there and in that city they go after you. Thats why the Rob Black case is in Pittsburgh, people forget this. If you are on the web you can be prosecuted in any city in the country. They will pick cities that will up their chances of winning (Like that town in Alabama that declared Playboy obscene) . I am in Atlanta, here they have free magazines filled with hookersand jackshacks. You can go into Tower Records they sell Private video's with fisting on the cover, this would be a wonderful place to be prosecuted because the community standards are low therefore you will never see obscenity cases in Atlanta.

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                                                                            • Illicit
                                                                              wtf ?
                                                                              • Dec 2003
                                                                              • 11895

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by charly
                                                                              It's election year and Bush is scared of getting kicked out, so he'll do anything to look good in the eyes of his supporters. Going after porn will do that.

                                                                              However he also needs the vote of ordinary Americans who consume porn and view it as a piece of entertainment. Contrary to what Jan LaRue would like to see, they are not going to start going after Hustler, Penthouse and Vivid. The backlash on such a move would put Bush out of office.

                                                                              Can you imagine what would happen when all the men denied their favourite porn product, go to vote? It's a game of looking like you are doing something to please a minority while not losing another minority.

                                                                              If you are producing anything extreme worry, if not I think you are safe.

                                                                              But we as an industry are an easy target, we could not stand up and unite against Acacia so how do we expect to fair against the White House? We as an industry let others fight our battles for us, so maybe we should not be surprised when we lose.

                                                                              Unite come together and fight or get picked off one by one, choice is that simple.
                                                                              We need a union to fight against whoever tries to hurt the business. Join the union and they will protect your interests.
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                                                                              • cherrylula
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                                                                                • Jan 2002
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Any adult webmasters who go and vote for that sick monkey in November are totally nuts with articles like that.

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                                                                                • Fletch XXX
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by latinasojourn


                                                                                  i would love to see the government bring a case against mainstream porn with a jury that includes the college educated.
                                                                                  the flaw in this post is not all jurors are educated.

                                                                                  id say most are not. ;)

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                                                                                  • aiken
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    We need a union to fight against whoever tries to hurt the business. Join the union and they will protect your interests.
                                                                                    What we need to do is educate surfers. "Enjoying this site? Think about that in November"

                                                                                    Given that over 19 million males aged 18-34 visit adult websites, a concerted surfer education program might just make some difference.

                                                                                    Cheers
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                                                                                    • tony299
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      That could be a very good idea

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                                                                                        #44
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                                                                                        • Illicit
                                                                                          wtf ?
                                                                                          • Dec 2003
                                                                                          • 11895

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by aiken


                                                                                          What we need to do is educate surfers. "Enjoying this site? Think about that in November"

                                                                                          Given that over 19 million males aged 18-34 visit adult websites, a concerted surfer education program might just make some difference.

                                                                                          Cheers
                                                                                          -b

                                                                                          Sounds like a great idea !
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                                                                                          • jimmyf
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                                                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                                                            • 12651

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Roger


                                                                                            But where does the trial take place? Does it take place where the webmaster have his content hosted or does it take place in his own city?
                                                                                            it takes place where they bring the charges.
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                                                                                            • itzjamiex
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              bs

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                                                                                              • Roger
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by jimmyf


                                                                                                it takes place where they bring the charges.
                                                                                                So people from other countries can also be sued?

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                                                                                                • jimmyf
                                                                                                  OU812
                                                                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                                                                  • 12651

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by mardigras

                                                                                                  They probably consider the "crime" occurring when the webmaster built the pages and uploaded them to the internet so my guess is that a webmaster would likely be charged where he was when he did it. Other charges could probably be filed elsewhere depending on how creative they get with the suits.
                                                                                                  Nope... a number of years ago, they charged a couple in TN. they lived in Milpitas, CA, don't remember where the server was nor the out come.

                                                                                                  I might add if I remember it wasn't the Fed's but the local DA.
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                                                                                                  • jimmyf
                                                                                                    OU812
                                                                                                    • Feb 2001
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by aiken


                                                                                                    What we need to do is educate surfers. "Enjoying this site? Think about that in November"

                                                                                                    Given that over 19 million males aged 18-34 visit adult websites, a concerted surfer education program might just make some difference.

                                                                                                    Cheers
                                                                                                    -b
                                                                                                    good luck,
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