Err...ok. Isn't that Democracy? The very same Democracy what we're trying to install in Iraq in order to "better" their society? If you take away the right to vote and assemble then you're taking away the fundamental idea of Democracy.
Originally posted by Thong Sniper but see people like that think a democracy only works if the people accept that a democracy is all they're going to get....retarded.
Another Saddam I see. You suggest that the guy should've stayed in office even though he was voted out? 90% where against the war and yet he still caved in to Bush's pressure, good riddance because he sure as hell wasn't doing what the people wanted.
What did it get them? They prevented a terror attack?
People are fucking retarded if you think the people of Spain caved in. They were smart enough to realize that Iraq isn't part of the real war that's going on out there. If I were them I would pull the troops out of that Bush clusterfuck right away. Not to mention they are doubling up the number of troops they're sending to Afghanistan where the real war is happening.
You tards that get all upset because the people voted for what they wanted and then you say it's bullshit. Hell most people here didn't vote for King George and we're stuck with him and his Iraq bullshit. We're the country that's really fucked until we get rid of this assclown.
Originally posted by Wilber
The 900 killed on the train, yes
The voters, no.
900 killed? Dam you dont know what are you talking about, no?
I feel sorry for you, an other stupid ignorant that speack for speack and he has noo idea about it.
11 M
191 killed
over 1400 wounded
And about voters....
Maybe you dont know that 90% of spainsh people was against war in irack, the goverment entered on that stupid war... now they payed for that, do what the people refused is be a looser... This is democracy.
Originally posted by Roger You suggest that the guy should've stayed in office even though he was voted out? 90% where against the war and yet he still caved in to Bush's pressure, good riddance because he sure as hell wasn't doing what the people wanted.
What did it get them? They prevented a terror attack?
It's not complicated at all.
Bush says we are going to go eradicate terrorism, you with us or
against us. The nations that agreed to assist helped in whatever
way they could. That's why leaders are elected...to make decisions.
Spain was in, they get dirtied and the cowards see it as a vehicle to
gain the power reins. Spain's re-election was just a coup under the
guise of voter compliance. Unfortunately the results of an abandonment
from the coalition has a higher price down the road.
Originally posted by Digipimp People are fucking retarded if you think the people of Spain caved in. They were smart enough to realize that Iraq isn't part of the real war that's going on out there. If I were them I would pull the troops out of that Bush clusterfuck right away. Not to mention they are doubling up the number of troops they're sending to Afghanistan where the real war is happening.
You tards that get all upset because the people voted for what they wanted and then you say it's bullshit. Hell most people here didn't vote for King George and we're stuck with him and his Iraq bullshit. We're the country that's really fucked until we get rid of this assclown.
before embarrassing yourself, you really should read up on what you intend to talk about.
It's ok to be a silly Bush hating kid (after all, being silly is what kids do)
but for the record, the incumbent was going to win the election by ALL accounts and polls, ONLY the bombing changed that.
I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.
before embarrassing yourself, you really should read up on what you intend to talk about.
It's ok to be a silly Bush hating kid (after all, being silly is what kids do)
but for the record, the incumbent was going to win the election by ALL accounts and polls, ONLY the bombing changed that.
Oh yeah he was going to blow them away you're so right. What was he about 5 points up in the polls a few days before the election. That's a total blowout and we all know that polls are always totally accurate. So who's the real dumbass who's angry because the people got the person they voted for elected genius?
Originally posted by Wilber
It's not complicated at all.
Bush says we are going to go eradicate terrorism, you with us or
against us. The nations that agreed to assist helped in whatever
way they could. That's why leaders are elected...to make decisions.
Spain was in, they get dirtied and the cowards see it as a vehicle to
gain the power reins. Spain's re-election was just a coup under the
guise of voter compliance. Unfortunately the results of an abandonment
from the coalition has a higher price down the road.
Sorry man but i don't know anybody in spain that wants enter on the stupid bush coalition. As i told 90% of the people in spain was against war.
I cant undertant why stupid people like you still think that you can save the wolrd...
what bush did for irack?
a part of kill 1000's of inocents citicens... no live in irak seemd to be hardest, people is more poor than ever. There are more terrorist attacks..
Originally posted by Wilber Bush says we are going to go eradicate terrorism, you with us or against us. The nations that agreed to assist helped in whatever way they could. That's why leaders are elected...to make decisions.
Spain was in, they get dirtied and the cowards see it as a vehicle to gain the power reins. Spain's re-election was just a coup under the guise of voter compliance. Unfortunately the results of an abandonment from the coalition has a higher price down the road.
Yeah the leaders are elected to make decisions and when they make bad decisions they're not reelected.
Way before the terror attack, 90% of the people in Spain where against the war in Iraq and the opposition had said they'd remove the troops if they get elected. Oh and once elected, the new leaders where courageous enough to stick with the plan despite pressure from the super-power. That's not what I'd call cowardness.
Oh btw, 3 years later, I'm still waiting for that eradication of terrorism.
Listen fucktard, Spain was fighting terrorists long before it became fashionable, and had to put up with retards calling them "freedom fighters" and "separatists" (And still do!)
Aznar got canned because he was a fucking lapdog, prancing about thinking he was important because he got to hobnob with mister Prince of the Universe, meanwhile all the US did with Spain was insult and take it's ally for granted. Last year a Spanish warship intercepted a boatfull of cruise missiles from Korea, and what did Dubya do? Give them back! His brother came along and insulted everybody by promising "great rewards" for helping out in the invasion of Iraq ("rewards" which are conspicuously absent - Haliburton got the whole pie). Mistaking the place a republic was just on a par for his family
Zapatero (The new prez) said he'd remove the troops LAST YEAR if he was elected, so this is no "last minute" decision. Aznar also fucked up on a lot of other things over the last few years, the bombs and his lies tryng to do a cover up were just the last straw.
Originally posted by Roger the new leaders where courageous enough to stick with the plan
despite pressure from the super-power. That's not what I'd call cowardness.
And now that Spain has caved to the demands of the terrorists did they
get to live in Utopia? Oh...more bombs in the train tracks.
Cowards always have justification of their actions but it always boils
down to the same thing, they don't want to fight when confronted
with evil. They assume compliance will give them peace when in
fact the only message a coward sends is "we will not fight you so
your free to do as you please".
Originally posted by Wilber
And now that Spain has caved to the demands of the terrorists did they
get to live in Utopia? Oh...more bombs in the train tracks.
Cowards always have justification of their actions but it always boils
down to the same thing, they don't want to fight when confronted
with evil. They assume compliance will give them peace when in
fact the only message a coward sends is "we will not fight you so
your free to do as you please".
Again you dont know what are you talking about...
please think a moment, i know is hard for you.
If 90% of spanish people is against war i normal that now the new goverment elected by that people dont want be there.
Originally posted by Wilber And now that Spain has caved to the demands of the terrorists did they get to live in Utopia? Oh...more bombs in the train tracks.
Cowards always have justification of their actions but it always boils down to the same thing, they don't want to fight when confronted with evil. They assume compliance will give them peace when in fact the only message a coward sends is "we will not fight you so your free to do as you please".
Heuh? Spain is doing what it's got to do. They're arresting those who're responsible for it and and fighting Al-Qaeda.
If they're cowards they wouldn't be going after those responsible would they? So grow up already. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a coward. Let me remind you that it's Bush who wanted to ignore Al-Qaeda and go after Saddam instead.
Also there was a report somewhere that aznar tried to call a state of emergency and cancel elections because of the attacks.
If thats true, then spain just had a lucky escape from a wannabe dictator. Surely you defenders of freedom and democracy calling spain cowards should be thankful for that at least?
But I guess not, it's only your freedom and democracy that really matters.
Originally posted by Wilber
To simplify the math for you...
Spain caves and now has more bombs
US attacks and no bombs in US
The cowards planting the bombs know exactly where they
can and cannot get away with planting bombs.
your maths is pretty fucking selective.
Another way of doing that maths would be
Spain attacks 200 dead. Spain doesn't attack 0 dead.
US attacks, 600 troops dead, who knows how many thousand Iraqis dead.
Oh yeah he was going to blow them away you're so right. What was he about 5 points up in the polls a few days before the election. That's a total blowout and we all know that polls are always totally accurate. So who's the real dumbass who's angry because the people got the person they voted for elected genius?
Originally posted by huey Dude soon as Kerry gets in you guys are going to back pedal out of Iraq so fast it will make your head spin!
If he wins (highly unlikely), even Kerry has said he'll try to get them out within a year or so. He's using the anti-war rhetoric to attract the pussy-liberal vote, but he knows a mass pullout is completely unreasonable.
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