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  • quiet
    we'll miss you our friend. RIP
    • Sep 2001
    • 25115

    #1

    solid hosting for around 60 TB/month... what is being offered?

    including say 10-11 servers, a couple of load balancers, and solid tech support - on a per gig basis? not looking to move, just curious what others are paying for this type of set up at the moment.

    thanks
    we'll miss you our friend. RIP
  • FuqALot
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2001
    • 3817

    #2
    Well, if i were a hosting provider, then this would be the favorite thread to reply to i guess.

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    • fris
      I have to go potty
      • Aug 2002
      • 55818

      #3
      All deals are measured in Mbps, not by transfer.
      All bandwidth is provided via MFN+Qwest.

      Dedicated:
      1. AMD XP2400, 512MB, 200GB Drive, 10Mbps - $275
      $50 setup, waived with 2 month pre-pay
      (Only one available)

      Colo:
      2. Cabinet + 20A + 50Mbps - $2500/month
      3. Cabinet + 20A + 100Mbps - $3500/month
      4. Cabinet + 20A + 200Mbps - $6500/month
      $500 setup, waived with 3 month pre-pay

      Also, we have cabinets available at 365 Main, San Francisco's Premiere Disaster Recovery DataCenter. Bandwidth is available there starting at $49 a meg
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      • Martin
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        • Dec 2001
        • 17274

        #4
        My friend get with swiftwill. Talk to dweeks.

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        • Daymare
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          • Feb 2002
          • 2674

          #5
          Originally posted by Martin
          My friend get with swiftwill. Talk to dweeks.
          dweeks is the man

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          • Steve
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            • Feb 2001
            • 6894

            #6
            Originally posted by quiet
            including say 10-11 servers, a couple of load balancers, and solid tech support - on a per gig basis? not looking to move, just curious what others are paying for this type of set up at the moment.

            thanks
            IS Prime kick ass

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            • gornyhuy
              Chafed.
              • May 2002
              • 18041

              #7
              Originally posted by fris
              All deals are measured in Mbps, not by transfer.
              All bandwidth is provided via MFN+Qwest.

              Dedicated:
              1. AMD XP2400, 512MB, 200GB Drive, 10Mbps - $275
              $50 setup, waived with 2 month pre-pay
              (Only one available)

              Colo:
              2. Cabinet + 20A + 50Mbps - $2500/month
              3. Cabinet + 20A + 100Mbps - $3500/month
              4. Cabinet + 20A + 200Mbps - $6500/month
              $500 setup, waived with 3 month pre-pay

              Also, we have cabinets available at 365 Main, San Francisco's Premiere Disaster Recovery DataCenter. Bandwidth is available there starting at $49 a meg


              These colo prices look about right, though its been a while since I had a couple of racks at uunet.

              icq:159548293

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              • Herb Kornfield
                Is on the 1
                • Sep 2002
                • 4996

                #8
                At that level, I would look into a carrier hotel that has a significant carrier neutral space provider and a robust offering of ISPs to offer upstream connectivity.

                111 8th street in NYC where Switch and Data resides as well most of the major players have facilites established and use as their landing points to and from the world.

                165 Halsey street in Newak NJ - Equinix is there as well, they offer a free backhaul over them MAN back to seacacus and have most of the major carriers there as well.

                Id go with Equinix since most of the major players in the ISP game today themselves are in Equinix and makes interconnecting much easier. Also, the level of services that Equinix offers makes the total atmosphere VERY professional.

                I've taken tours and had clients there and they loved it. There is also office space you can rent on site for the tech crew to work. Switch and data has the techs out on the floor at top volume, its not as pretty.

                From a cost perspective, It all depends on where you want to be colocated at.

                There is a deal in Miami offering free space at the NAP of the americas and BW at $40 per mbps from a carrier I know.
                Last edited by Herb Kornfield; 04-02-2004, 07:58 AM.

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                • fatbaby
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 486

                  #9
                  Quiet.. go talk to Brad... with the launch of MoJoHost, he's offering killer rates. He's in a Switch and Data center with redundant bw... and support is exemplary ;)

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                  • juicylinks
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Apr 2001
                    • 122992

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Herb Kornfield
                    At that level, I would look into a carrier hotel that has a significant carrier neutral space provider and a robust offering of ISPs to offer upstream connectivity.

                    111 8th street in NYC where Switch and Data resides as well most of the major players have facilites established and use as their landing points to and from the world.

                    165 Halsey street in Newak NJ - Equinix is there as well, they offer a free backhaul over them MAN back to seacacus and have most of the major carriers there as well.

                    Id go with Equinix since most of the major players in the ISP game today themselves are in Equinix and makes interconnecting much easier. Also, the level of services that Equinix offers makes the total atmosphere VERY professional.

                    I've taken tours and had clients there and they loved it. There is also office space you can rent on site for the tech crew to work. Switch and data has the techs out on the floor at top volume, its not as pretty.

                    From a cost perspective, It all depends on where you want to be colocated at.

                    There is a deal in Miami offering free space at the NAP of the americas and BW at $40 per mbps from a carrier I know.
                    Equinix

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                    • quiet
                      we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                      • Sep 2001
                      • 25115

                      #11
                      getting back to price, in per gig unit.

                      anyone doing this sort of bandwidth, and if you are, what are you paying? i'm looking to find out what i *should* be paying in the current market...
                      we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                      • zagi
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 1238

                        #12
                        All depending on the bandwidth and support

                        lowest possible (worse bandwidth + ok support) $0.16

                        medium ( ok bw + ok support ) $0.20

                        best ( tier 1 bw + fantastic support ) $0.25
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                        • quiet
                          we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                          • Sep 2001
                          • 25115

                          #13
                          Originally posted by zagi
                          All depending on the bandwidth and support

                          lowest possible (worse bandwidth + ok support) $0.16

                          medium ( ok bw + ok support ) $0.20

                          best ( tier 1 bw + fantastic support ) $0.25
                          i'm currently paying quite a bit more than .25...

                          interesting. do you actually push this much bw, or are you just coming up with numbers out your ass?
                          we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                          • 420
                            cuck
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 11571

                            #14
                            Originally posted by quiet


                            i'm currently paying quite a bit more than .25...

                            interesting. do you actually push this much bw, or are you just coming up with numbers out your ass?
                            it appears to be the latter
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                            • zagi
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                              • Jan 2004
                              • 1238

                              #15
                              actual, hit me up on icq: 4930562
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                              • Sami
                                Confirmed User
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 2047

                                #16
                                If we get a client that requires that much bw today, with 24/7 tech support..

                                we'd charge 20 - 25 cents/gig.

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                                • CSM-101
                                  Registered User
                                  • Feb 2003
                                  • 422

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by quiet
                                  including say 10-11 servers, a couple of load balancers, and solid tech support - on a per gig basis? not looking to move, just curious what others are paying for this type of set up at the moment.

                                  thanks
                                  Hey Quiet,

                                  Hit me up on ICQ and we can surely talk about it.

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                                  • zagi
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jan 2004
                                    • 1238

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Sami
                                    If we get a client that requires that much bw today, with 24/7 tech support..

                                    we'd charge 20 - 25 cents/gig.
                                    Yeah single homed on Verio is not good bw... I think you should offer quite, a very upstanding member of the GFY community a much better price
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                                    • Donnie Gangsta
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                                      • Mar 2002
                                      • 1104

                                      #19
                                      Reflected is in Equinix Chicago. Fully redundant network, multi-homed.

                                      Bandwidth with servers included would be $12,000 month ($.20/gig)

                                      We'll fly you out first class for a free tour if you want to see. We're in the best datacenter in the world.

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                                      • zagi
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jan 2004
                                        • 1238

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta

                                        We'll fly you out first class for a free tour if you want to see. We're in the best datacenter in the world.
                                        a. stop under cutting the market your only eating your own profits away

                                        b. who says you got the best DC in the world, you seen em all ?
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                                        • Donnie Gangsta
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                                          • Mar 2002
                                          • 1104

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by zagi


                                          a. stop under cutting the market your only eating your own profits away

                                          b. who says you got the best DC in the world, you seen em all ?
                                          Equinix is the best..

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                                          • zagi
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jan 2004
                                            • 1238

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta


                                            Equinix is the best..
                                            equinix is good, but their coffee is stale
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                                            • Mutt
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • Sep 2002
                                              • 34431

                                              #23
                                              buying that much bandwidth you should be able to get quality bandwidth at a nice discount.

                                              i'm no hosting guru but these hosting companies are paying maybe $50 per megabit for their tier 1 bandwidth - maybe even cheaper but let's say $50. If they were to charge you $75 per megabit which seems reasonable on the amount of bandwidth you would be using - that 75 divided by 320 gigs - so like 25 cents per gig.
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                                              • frankfortuna
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                                                • Aug 2002
                                                • 1504

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
                                                Reflected is in Equinix Chicago. Fully redundant network, multi-homed.

                                                Bandwidth with servers included would be $12,000 month ($.20/gig)

                                                We'll fly you out first class for a free tour if you want to see. We're in the best datacenter in the world.
                                                I just dropped 3 more servers there last week. I've been in my share of facilities and I can say that Equinix is nothing short of impressive.

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                                                • http
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                  • 1811

                                                  #25
                                                  So what are you paying then?

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                                                  • Donnie Gangsta
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                                                    • Mar 2002
                                                    • 1104

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Mutt
                                                    buying that much bandwidth you should be able to get quality bandwidth at a nice discount.

                                                    i'm no hosting guru but these hosting companies are paying maybe $50 per megabit for their tier 1 bandwidth - maybe even cheaper but let's say $50. If they were to charge you $75 per megabit which seems reasonable on the amount of bandwidth you would be using - that 75 divided by 320 gigs - so like 25 cents per gig.
                                                    1mbps is NOT 320 gigs. That is a rough figure. If you factor in bursting/95th percentile billing (which is what all providers bill hosting companies at) it comes to a lot more. Especially in adult where there are high peaks.

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                                                    • zagi
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                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                      • 1238

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by frankfortuna


                                                      I just dropped 3 more servers there last week. I've been in my share of facilities and I can say that Equinix is nothing short of impressive.
                                                      agreed
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                                                      • zagi
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                                                        • Jan 2004
                                                        • 1238

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta


                                                        1mbps is NOT 320 gigs. That is a rough figure. If you factor in bursting/95th percentile billing (which is what all providers bill hosting companies at) it comes to a lot more. Especially in adult where there are high peaks. 500-600 is a more accurate estimate.
                                                        nonsense
                                                        1mbps = 320 gigs

                                                        say you factor in 95th percentile

                                                        hmm so you lose some of the top more like 300G , how you got 500-600 is pure bafoonery
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                                                        • chaze
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                                                          • Aug 2002
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                                                          #29
                                                          We stream world soccer games at 40 mps levels every Saturday. We charge them $2300 a month with a 3 year contract.
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                                                          • chaze
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                                                            • Aug 2002
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                                                            #30
                                                            Tier 1 redundant connections BTW, no Cogent no Verio Crap.
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                                                            • zagi
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                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                              • 1238

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by chaze
                                                              Tier 1 redundant connections BTW, no Cogent no Verio Crap.
                                                              Spamming your sig?

                                                              Are you fucking retarded!?

                                                              Your single homed on global crossing, stop brain farting moron!
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                                                              • chaze
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                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                • 9774

                                                                #32
                                                                Don't you have some free porn to push you idiot. I'm here to chat about anything not scrub dipshits like you.

                                                                TGP's are what's killing the industry and you post it on your sig so ignorant it's sad.
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                                                                • Donnie Gangsta
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                                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                                  • 1104

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by quiet
                                                                  including say 10-11 servers, a couple of load balancers, and solid tech support - on a per gig basis? not looking to move, just curious what others are paying for this type of set up at the moment.

                                                                  thanks

                                                                  If interested just hit me up on ICQ 868140. You could get a free trip to Chicago in any case.. $12k/month, like I said.

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                                                                  • zagi
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                                                                    • Jan 2004
                                                                    • 1238

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by chaze

                                                                    TGP are what's killing the industry and you post it on your sig so ignorant it's sad.
                                                                    Bro your a moron, come on just admit it to the people in this thread.

                                                                    Its not the TGP, its the webmasters submitting their free preview TGP pages to the TGP that's killing the industry by your measurements. But umm wait a sec now, back in the day didn't persian kitty provide the same shit as today's TGPs except without thumbnail pics.

                                                                    So yeah your a moron!
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                                                                    • Veterans Day
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                                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                                      • 8403

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Isprime is my mission critical people. I dont use that much BW but I go through a fair fuckin share, I will tell you if you value support and stand up guys, Denis is the one to talk too. Many a people can verify Isprime is top 3 and #1 in my book
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                                                                      • keyDet79
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                                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                                        • 1109

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by zagi


                                                                        Spamming your sig?

                                                                        Are you fucking retarded!?

                                                                        Your single homed on global crossing, stop brain farting moron!
                                                                        What an idiot

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                                                                        • zagi
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                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                          • 1238

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta



                                                                          If interested just hit me up on ICQ 868140. You could get a free trip to Chicago in any case.. $12k/month, like I said.
                                                                          a. he said he wasn't interested just wanted to beat his current host over the head

                                                                          b. no one wants to visit chicago neways -- wtf its not like your new york or florida
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                                                                          • zagi
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                                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                                            • 1238

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by keyDet79


                                                                            What an idiot
                                                                            what an idiot
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                                                                            • Theo
                                                                              HAL 9000
                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                              • 34515

                                                                              #39
                                                                              quiet still at candid?

                                                                              MOVEEEE

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                                                                              • Webasic
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                                                                                • Feb 2004
                                                                                • 1889

                                                                                #40
                                                                                quiet, I think I'm in love with you

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                                                                                • Phil21
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                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                  • 993

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Just for the comment about undercutting..

                                                                                  At that price we can still make money, including space. You have to understand being in Equinix bandwidth is cheaper than other places, and the volumes we buy at is quite a lot. We are FULLY taking advantage of the current (we believe temporary) insane pricing large networks are selling their soul at. Also you have to keep in mind there may be agreements in place for peering, that further lowers the cost per mbit.

                                                                                  Also what has to be figured in is the future potential bringing online a large customer with a big name such as Quiet. Getting folks in the door is the hard part. Word of mouth goes a long ways.

                                                                                  I've just heard this comment we're undercutting the industry too much lately. Yes, we are selling very high quality services lower than we will be 6 months. However, it is a calculated business decision in order to get our name out there and show people the level of service we do offer. NOTHING beats word of mouth advertising. Period.

                                                                                  Oh well, sorry for the spam. That comment simply is one of my peeves.

                                                                                  -Phil
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                                                                                  • High Quality
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                                                                                    • Feb 2002
                                                                                    • 5741

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Webair can hook you up no doubt.

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                                                                                    • Fletch XXX
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                                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                                      • 60840

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by High Quality
                                                                                      Webair can hook you up no doubt.

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                                                                                      Best hosting, support and price ratio I've come across yet. Been with them over a year!
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                                                                                      • zagi
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                                                                                        • Jan 2004
                                                                                        • 1238

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Phil21
                                                                                        However, it is a calculated business decision in order to get our name out there and show people the level of service we do offer. NOTHING beats word of mouth advertising. Period.

                                                                                        Oh well, sorry for the spam. That comment simply is one of my peeves.

                                                                                        -Phil
                                                                                        Thanks for the rational comment.
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                                                                                        • chaze
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                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                          • 9774

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Bro your a moron, come on just admit it to the people in this thread.
                                                                                          Your argument is week and I know a bead of sweat is dripping off your forehead right with the realism that your whole presence in this industry is nothing more then a parasite on the hard working real webmasters that make the industry the great thing that it is.

                                                                                          If I where you I would trash eveyrthing you have done re-think your goals and attitude and come back with a new strategy.

                                                                                          Good luck.
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                                                                                          • Nysus
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                                                                                            • Aug 2001
                                                                                            • 7817

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            You will only find out what you really can get doing 200 mbits with that many servers if you talk directly with any hosting company / the President. They are a business of course and they will try to be competitive. If you want to find out what National-Net can offer you, I'd call them up and ask for Tony though he may not be back from Cancun yet.

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                                                                                            • fuzebox
                                                                                              making it rain
                                                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                                                              • 22367

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by High Quality
                                                                                              Webair can hook you up no doubt.

                                                                                              http://www.webair.com

                                                                                              Best hosting, support and price ratio I've come across yet. Been with them over a year!
                                                                                              I don't understand why everyone says this... I have problems on a daily basis with my virtual hosting account. I've got a cheap dedicated server that is far more reliable than my service with webair...

                                                                                              I guess it's because I'm not a big customer, at least that's the impression I get whenever I talk to their support guys.

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                                                                                              • Jer
                                                                                                God is Brazilian
                                                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                                                • 10601

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Bump just in case quiet lost this thread

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                                                                                                  #49
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                                                                                                  • FreeFastHost
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                                                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                                                    • 1588

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by zagi


                                                                                                    a. he said he wasn't interested just wanted to beat his current host over the head

                                                                                                    b. no one wants to visit chicago neways -- wtf its not like your new york or florida
                                                                                                    Who the fuck are you? Some tgp owner?

                                                                                                    You're talking to a guy that OWNS a hosting company among other things, I think quiet would take his advice over yours.

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