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04-01-2004, 01:05 PM

There you go. Signed and made into US Federal Law today by President Bush.

For the first time the "UnBorn", Fetuses and Embryos, have legal rights.

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04-01-2004, 01:47 PM

My lunch was comprised of a vastly more developed intelligent being.

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04-01-2004, 01:48 PM

what about my legal rights KRL?

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04-01-2004, 01:49 PM

interesting...
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04-01-2004, 01:49 PM

Wonder how long before someone uses it to prosecute a drug using pregnant woman?

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04-01-2004, 01:51 PM

How gay.
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04-01-2004, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by KMR Stitch
How gay.

The kids that get aborted wouldn't say that. They don't get any say. They just get their brains vacuumed and sucked apart without any say in the matter whether they have a right to be born after they've been conceived.

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04-01-2004, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by mardigras
Wonder how long before someone uses it to prosecute a drug using pregnant woman?

not soon enough.

Although I understand you wanting to defend the practice of pregnant women doing drugs after seeing your other dopey posts.

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04-01-2004, 01:56 PM

I like the ramifications of a law like this in the case of someone like Laci Peterson.

I'm concerned with its possible effects on women's rights.

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04-01-2004, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by toonces
I like the ramifications of a law like this in the case of someone like Laci Peterson.

I'm concerned with its possible effects on women's rights.

it's been obvious all along:

Laci Peterson's unborn child becomes pawn in abortion debate

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04-01-2004, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by 12clicks

not soon enough.

Although I understand you wanting to defend the practice of pregnant women doing drugs after seeing your other dopey posts.

I don't defend the practice but I don't support sending them to jail.

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04-01-2004, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by mardigras
I don't defend the practice but I don't support sending them to jail.

For some people everything is black and white. THey don't know any different.

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04-01-2004, 02:35 PM

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04-01-2004, 05:07 PM

At last! It's about time that those little
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04-01-2004, 06:44 PM

4 years and bush did something right finally
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04-01-2004, 06:46 PM

what a load of crap.
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04-01-2004, 06:51 PM

I like the fact that people can be held accountable for killing unborn fetuses, especially in murder situations... The abortion issue I think dumb bitches who use abortion as birth control SHOULD be charged with murder.. However, I'm one of those who believes it can be situational. A 10 year old victim of rape should not be forced to give birth to a baby, especially being that very young girls have a relatively high mortality rate when giving birth.. much higher than the average.

That's getting off-topic though. It IS the first good thing I've seen Bush do. I can give credit where it's due even in his case.

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04-01-2004, 07:27 PM

People having rights is a load of crap?

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04-01-2004, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by reynold
At last! It's about time that those little
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04-01-2004, 07:29 PM

i ate a baby fetus today.

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04-01-2004, 07:40 PM

KRL, where are embryo's mentioned? isn't this about late term abortion of fetuses? wheres the link?
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04-01-2004, 07:44 PM

Awesome, so pregnant women can drive in the HoV lane now! since technically 2 people are in the vehicle. But then again, she could get pulled over for having a child behind the wheel? I think embryos with legal standing in the eyes of the court will play hell on certain laws in a comedic sort of way.

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04-01-2004, 07:44 PM

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04-01-2004, 08:06 PM

embryo... i love how pro-baby-killing people use that word so freely to justify abortion.... it's just an embryo... or it's just a piece of tissue...

at what point during the pregnancy do you stop referring to the baby as an embryo and start calling it a baby?
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04-01-2004, 08:07 PM

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04-01-2004, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
embryo... i love how pro-baby-killing people use that word so freely to justify abortion.... it's just an embryo... or it's just a piece of tissue...

at what point during the pregnancy do you stop referring to the baby as an embryo and start calling it a baby?

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04-01-2004, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
embryo... i love how pro-baby-killing people use that word so freely to justify abortion.... it's just an embryo... or it's just a piece of tissue...

at what point during the pregnancy do you stop referring to the baby as an embryo and start calling it a baby?

BTW...I personally do not think that you will find many...if any..."pro-baby-killing people"...even among those that have abortions. Hmm...I suppose there are some W.C. Fields types around.

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04-01-2004, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by theking

Well...I for one do not call a chicken egg a chicken until it is hatched.

after the chicken egg hatches, you call the egg a chicken?

wtf do you call the feathered thing that pops out?
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04-01-2004, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts

after the chicken egg hatches, you call the egg a chicken?

wtf do you call the feathered thing that pops out?

The "feathered thing" that popped out of the chicken egg sounds OK by me.

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04-01-2004, 08:25 PM

Why can't people just realize the truth and acknowledge it. At the moment of conception, when the sperm fertilizes the egg, growth begins and you have created the very beginning of a human being.

That is it. Period. End of story. Face the facts.

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04-01-2004, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by KRL
Why can't people just realize the truth and acknowledge it. At the moment of conception, when the sperm fertilizes the egg, growth begins and you have created the very beginning of a human being.

That is it. Period. End of story. Face the facts.

Wow...a rapist can make baby. Really sad that a women does not have a choice within three months.
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04-01-2004, 08:38 PM

finally. I just hope the law will eventually stop abortion.

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04-01-2004, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by KRL
Why can't people just realize the truth and acknowledge it. At the moment of conception, when the sperm fertilizes the egg, growth begins and you have created the very beginning of a human being.

That is it. Period. End of story. Face the facts.

I would of thought you would of been against this KRL? I agree anyway. I wouldn't like to see it totally outlawed (as there are genuine cases I guess) but it is ridiculous. I know one girl who has had 3 abortions in as many years simply because she is a whore. It sickens me.
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04-01-2004, 08:42 PM

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Wow...a rapist can make baby. Really sad that a women does not have a choice within three months.

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04-01-2004, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by KRL
Why can't people just realize the truth and acknowledge it. At the moment of conception, when the sperm fertilizes the egg, growth begins and you have created the very beginning of a human being.

That is it. Period. End of story. Face the facts.

I don't think anyone says otherwise.. yes you have the beginning of a human being, the question is when a women should be able to stop this beginning "potential human" from eventuating into a "human".
I for one think first trimester abortions are good things. The absolute last thing we need in the world is more children born to parents who don't want them or aren't old enough to take care of them properly thats if they're even "lucky" enough to get that far without nature/god "aborting" it for them with miscarriage.
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04-01-2004, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by Odin88

I know one girl who has had 3 abortions in as many years simply because she is a whore. It sickens me.

and isn't it a good thing this stupid whore isn't passing this behaviour onto potential children? yes it is. Yes just what we need whores like this legally HAVING to have their crack baby offspring getting beaten by a merry go round of stepfathers and growing up into a delinquent that steals my car stereo while she collects welfare benefits for squeezing out white trash.
she did those 3 embryos and everyone else a favour.
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04-01-2004, 08:53 PM

no child should be brought into this world without the full 100% unconditional love and support of the parent/s.
Parents that would have preferred to have the child vacuumed out are going to turn into great role models and caring parents as soon as the child is born.. yeah right.
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04-01-2004, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by bhutocracy

and isn't it a good thing this stupid whore isn't passing this behaviour onto potential children? yes it is. Yes just what we need whores like this legally HAVING to have their crack baby offspring getting beaten by a merry go round of stepfathers and growing up into a delinquent that steals my car stereo while she collects welfare benefits for squeezing out white trash.
she did those 3 embryos and everyone else a favour.

Your argument is the same tired shit people have been yelling all along. If it were only people born by whores and poor people that caused any problems your post might be meaningful enough to argue.

Too bad.

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04-01-2004, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by bhutocracy

and isn't it a good thing this stupid whore isn't passing this behaviour onto potential children? yes it is. Yes just what we need whores like this legally HAVING to have their crack baby offspring getting beaten by a merry go round of stepfathers and growing up into a delinquent that steals my car stereo while she collects welfare benefits for squeezing out white trash.
she did those 3 embryos and everyone else a favour.

Without the poor, nobody would be rich.

Someone thinks that if you are forced to have 12 babies that you really didn't want then this is a good thing because you and those 12 people and most likley anyone that has to supervise or incarcerate them will be miserable as well etc...

And the more miserable everyone in that scene is, the "happier" people who can financially avoid those hardships are.

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04-01-2004, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts

huh?

Are you reading the post? KRl is saying point of conception. Did he edit or resond that there maybe factors why a women might chose abortion within three months ?
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04-01-2004, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by stocktrader23

Your argument is the same tired shit people have been yelling all along. If it were only people born by whores and poor people that caused any problems your post might be meaningful enough to argue.

Too bad.

I'm not only talking about whores and poor people, I'm talking about parents that DON'T WANT CHILDREN THEY WOULD BE FORCED TO HAVE, if you can't understand why thats a bad thing then you have issues. There are masses of upper middle class children taking drugs because their parents aren't around or don't show them enough affection.. like a lawyer who misses out on a promotion because she is forced to have a kid she wants vacuumed is going to be a better parent than a whore that doesn't want one??? If you don't understand that, then too bad for you.
We have enough bad parents, abortion is one of the ONLY ways we have right now of keeping that ratio down. And I'm not saying all mothers that would prefer to have abortions would turn out to be bad mothers either, only I trust them to know that themselves, and if they choose abortion then thats a telling sign.
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04-01-2004, 09:06 PM

not that this argument has anything to do with late term abortions btw.
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04-01-2004, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by bhutocracy

I'm not only talking about whores and poor people, I'm talking about parents that DON'T WANT CHILDREN THEY WOULD BE FORCED TO HAVE, if you can't understand why thats a bad thing then you have issues. There are masses of upper middle class children taking drugs because their parents aren't around or don't show them enough affection.. like a lawyer who misses out on a promotion because she is forced to have a kid she wants vacuumed is going to be a better parent than a whore that doesn't want one??? If you don't understand that, then too bad for you.
We have enough bad parents, abortion is one of the ONLY ways we have right now of keeping that ratio down. And I'm not saying all mothers that would prefer to have abortions would turn out to be bad mothers either, only I trust them to know that themselves, and if they choose abortion then thats a telling sign.

You're completely right. We shouldn't stop at abortions though. For those that didn't get an abortion in time lets kill the kid when they're born. After all, their parents didn't want them to start with.

Hell, your kid more than you expected and you don't want them who cares how old they are. Quick bullet in the head and your "little problem" is solved.

Hell yeah man, you are 100% correct.

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04-01-2004, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by stocktrader23

You're completely right. We shouldn't stop at abortions though. For those that didn't get an abortion in time lets kill the kid when they're born. After all, their parents didn't want them to start with.

Hell, your kid more than you expected and you don't want them who cares how old they are. Quick bullet in the head and your "little problem" is solved.

Hell yeah man, you are 100% correct.

the fact that you have to be hyperbolic to make a point shows you don't have an argument.

Yeah comparing a living breathing baby to a sqirt of strawberry jam that is a potential human is valid... in insane land. nice try though.

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04-01-2004, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by bhutocracy

the fact that you have to be supercilious to make a point shows you don't have an argument.

Right. The fact that you think parents should be able to KILL a kid that's in their body when they don't want it but don't see how that's the same as killing them after birth tells me I don't want to argue with you anyhow.

Edit: That and you used both "supercilious" and "hyperbolic" to make your point. I just can't hang with that.

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04-01-2004, 09:12 PM

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04-01-2004, 09:12 PM

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Right. The fact that you think parents should be able to KILL a kid that's in their body when they don't want it but don't see how that's the same as killing them after birth tells me I don't want to argue with you anyhow.

no i think a parent has the right to get rid of an embryo during the first trimester. sorry but that aint a kid.. as KRL said - it's the "beginning" of a human. it's potential kid. I'm against 3rd trimester abortion as much as the next guy. You've had you chance for choice by then, it can survive on it's own. First term though? completely different story.
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04-01-2004, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by TurboTrucker
People having rights is a load of crap?

A fetus is not a person, especially very early on when there is zero chance it could survive outside of the womb.

On this one I am with bhutocracy. I am generally against third trimester abortions because they baby could be born and survive. Unless, of course, there is a serious threat to the life of the mother.

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04-01-2004, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by stocktrader23

Edit: That and you used both "supercilious" and "hyperbolic" to make your point. I just can't hang with that.

im sorry, killing a baby in it's cot is the same as squeezing out a miscarriage in the toilet? yeah, you weren't engaging any sort of hyperbole at all... lol. If you don't want me pointing out how stupid your point was and using the correct language for it, don't make stupid over the top points.
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04-01-2004, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by KRL
Why can't people just realize the truth and acknowledge it. At the moment of conception, when the sperm fertilizes the egg, growth begins and you have created the very beginning of a human being.

That is it. Period. End of story. Face the facts.

Welcome to the wonderful world of political correctness. Let's just give up using even the tiny portion of our brains that we do still occasionally exercise.

What does your statement have to do with anything? It's true, but so what? You are so keen on facts, are you telling us that there is already awareness, consciousness or whatever you want to call it at the moment of conception? If not, then by what right do you take control of the life of a person who is sentient?

I can respect someone who is consistent in their views about the value of human life. But what are most of the "right to life" people trying to do about the annual slaughter on our roads? How many of them are sending money to Africa to stop thousands of children dying of hunger every year? Why aren't they out in front of the White House each time we plan to embark on another military adventure that may kill thousands, even millions?

This is an emotive issue fronting for an entirely different agenda and it should have no place among the laws of this country.
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