assuming the 80/20 (or 90/10) rule is true...

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  • TheDoc
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Jul 2001
    • 13827
    #51
    Originally posted by juicylinks
    off topic, but in the next few months ill be releasing some stuff and will have no affiliates all in house . Why? Well 3+ yrs doing this i know how to generate traffic and market and really dont have patience with noobs and their questions. Second only aff i might take would be seasoned people who dont need to be held step by step and so on.
    Bigger, seasoned, webmasters take more fluffing than 1000 smaller webmasters..

    Big guys want newer banners, ads, hosted galleries more often, they will e-mail and bitch at every little thing. Ratio slips for one day they are on your ass on ICQ as soon as they get up.
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      • StuartD
        Sofa King Band
        • Jul 2002
        • 29903
        #52
        Originally posted by juicylinks
        off topic, but in the next few months ill be releasing some stuff and will have no affiliates all in house . Why? Well 3+ yrs doing this i know how to generate traffic and market and really dont have patience with noobs and their questions. Second only aff i might take would be seasoned people who dont need to be held step by step and so on.
        Who said the seasoned people don't need to be held step by step?

        They're just bigger steps. You gotta really provide for them. A n00b wants to know where your banners are. A seasoned vet wants custom banners with matching full page ads and free hosting to put them on with content from the members area that no one else is using.
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          • KRL
            Entrepreneur
            • Oct 2002
            • 31429
            #53
            I'll tell you exactly why Quiet.

            Because you never know when one of your small affiliates is going to turn into a major producer for you. It doesn't happen all the time obviously, but it happens enough that its worth the ad investment and risk to get all the webmasters you can.

            You see the 80/20 rule doesn't stop on level one. It goes to level 2 also.

            So out of the 80% of the little affiliates, 20% of those will turn into something worth having.

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              • juicylinks
                So Fucking Banned
                • Apr 2001
                • 122992
                #54
                Originally posted by TheDoc


                Bigger, seasoned, webmasters take more fluffing than 1000 smaller webmasters..

                Big guys want newer banners, ads, hosted galleries more often, they will e-mail and bitch at every little thing. Ratio slips for one day they are on your ass on ICQ as soon as they get up.
                Personal seasoned webmasters that i know persoanlly and such. Not talking about the guy with the huge tgp whom I have never met and so on. But i understand what you are saying.

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                  • Axeman
                    Confirmed User
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 5201
                    #55
                    Originally posted by Headless



                    Good point. Maybe its a form of damage control. If they piss off the guy sending 100 joins a day they just fucked themselves with no ky. But if they piss off a guy with 2 joins a day they arent hurting too much cause they still have the other 98 joins/webmasters.
                    Yep having diveristy helps, plus if the one guy has something go wrong on his end your screwed.

                    Another reason you never know who of the small guys will end up being a big fish down the road.
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                      • imageman
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 1938
                        #56
                        I feel its well worth looking after the new webmasters, if you take time now when they are small some day they may very well get big and make you and themselves some serious coin.

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                          • Dirty D
                            Confirmed User
                            • May 2002
                            • 4044
                            #57
                            Big Sig spending and buying banner ads on msg boards or webmaster resources are not cost effective for us...

                            I totally agree with quiet

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                            Our larger partners send the vast majority of joins.
                            Our smaller partners help brand the sites.

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                              • juicylinks
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Apr 2001
                                • 122992
                                #58
                                Originally posted by dustman
                                Big Sig spending and buying banner ads on msg boards or webmaster resources are not cost effective for us...

                                I totally agree with quiet

                                We spend much more on direct bonus money to our partners than advertising... We treat our partners right...

                                Our larger partners send the vast majority of joins.
                                Our smaller partners help brand the sites.

                                We love all our salesmen the same

                                Top performers, let's talk about bonus money!
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                                  • quiet
                                    we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                    • Sep 2001
                                    • 25115
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by KRL
                                    I'll tell you exactly why Quiet.

                                    Because you never know when one of your small affiliates is going to turn into a major producer for you. It doesn't happen all the time obviously, but it happens enough that its worth the ad investment and risk to get all the webmasters you can.

                                    You see the 80/20 rule doesn't stop on level one. It goes to level 2 also.

                                    So out of the 80% of the little affiliates, 20% of those will turn into something worth having.
                                    interesting. i'd had a completely differrent set of reason(s), followed for my own reasons.

                                    lol
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                                      • XxXotic
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jun 2002
                                        • 8500
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by magicmike
                                        Because its better to have 100 wm's sending 1 join a day than one wm who sends 100 joins a day.
                                        no its not, that example is an equal trade off any way you look at it. I'd personally rather 1 person send 100 then 100 send me 1. less idiots to have to deal with
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                                          • AWW - Kevin
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                                            • Jan 2002
                                            • 2353
                                            #61
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                                            1. what KRL said
                                            2. because some program owners belong in that 90% bracket themselfs


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                                              • magicmike
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Feb 2003
                                                • 2384
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                I would think there would be some stability and "safety" in a program having a broad base of affiliates promoting them.

                                                Drawbacks: increased admin service (read: dealing with idiots), having to send out a lot of small cheques, having to supply a lot more diversity in promo materials, etc.


                                                I'd say 80/20 would be being quite generous with the group we're talking about here.
                                                Exactly. If you talk to big programs some feel that way and some don't.
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                                                  • magicmike
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                    • 2384
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by quiet


                                                    lol. you sure about that
                                                    Yes I am very sure on that, of course I would want both groups.

                                                    Think about it.

                                                    1 wm sends 100 joins per day.

                                                    You have to pay $40 per join, and make sure they are very happy or they might go elsewhere.

                                                    100 wm sending 1 join per day.

                                                    They get paid the standard $35 per sale, and if one or two leaves / stops sending its not a big deal. Also with 100 wm's sending 1 a day quite a few of them grow to send 2, 3 or 10 joins per day.
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                                                      • slapass
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                        • 14625
                                                        #64
                                                        The whales like to spread it out. So if you just court the big guys and even if that works. a few bad days of sales and they will be swapping you out. A broader base is more stable.

                                                        Having said that, the traffic trades on a programs exits is a really big deal. So there is a whole new whale right there.

                                                        I would love to buy your exits Quiet if you ever want to sell them.

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