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50 webmasters watching Iraqis with big sticks.
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Are you willing to go to Iraq and live under occupation? Why do you think they fight the occupation? Nobody likes being occupied. The whole world is not better off, especially not the middle-east.Originally posted by WarChild
The US is helping all kinds of countries, in all kinds of places. I'm saying that regardless of why the US is in Iraq ... The Iraqi people ARE better off. It seems simple. I take offence with people mock the United States with "Yeah George Bush sure liberated the Iraqi people".
HE DID.
Hey, how about this? The US invades your country, change the Canadian laws that you don't like and keep the laws that you like. Won't you be better off? You shouldn't have a problem with that, should you?Comment
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Originally posted by 404
not to defend that asshole hussein but...
1/ those mass graves may have been of those killed in the bloody iraq-iran war
2/ fox news is about as impartial as an iraqi newspaper of the 1990's
1) See point 2.
2) With all due respect ... What source would you accept as being credible? Certainly no large media will do, CNN, FOX et all are clearly just lying to everyone.
How about a letter from an Iraqi to the United Nations by Ahmad Chalabi, HEAD OF THE IRAQI DELEGATION
Mr. President:
I stand before this Assembly as a representative of free Iraq. To all those here who helped us in our struggle for liberation we extend our gratitude. Our liberation would not have been achieved without the determination of President, George W. Bush and the commitment of the Coalition, at the forefront of which stand the people of the United States of America and Great Britain. The Iraqis will never forget your courage and sacrifice on our behalf.
"To those who stood with the dictator and who continue to question the intentions of the American and British governments in undertaking this liberation, we invite you to come and visit the mass graves where half a million of our citizens lie, come and visit the dried up marshes, come and visit Halabja where chemicals were dropped on civilians, come and examine the lists of the disappeared whose right to live was taken away from them by Saddam Hussein. And we the Iraqi people will ask you why you chose to remain silent."
United Nations
Surely an Iraqi knows more about Iraq that we do. I suppose he's part of the world wide , George Bush lead, republican conspiracy machine..Comment
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If Canadian leaders start gasing the population that doesn't agree with them... Supporting rape squads and threatening its neighbors .. I sure as hell HOPE TO GOD the United States has the courage to come stop it.Originally posted by Roger
Are you willing to go to Iraq and live under occupation? Why do you think they fight the occupation? Nobody likes being occupied. The whole world is not better off, especially not the middle-east.
Hey, how about this? The US invades your country, change the Canadian laws that you don't like and keep the laws that you like. Won't you be better off? You shouldn't have a problem with that, should you?.Comment
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Fucking idiot's !!Originally posted by Corleone
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Originally posted by Edguy!
Why is it automatically that people say that it's because they're muslims.
Don't buy into propaganga fuckos
15-20,000 US citizens are murdered each year - by other, mostly Christian US citizens...Comment
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they're so happy
but WHY?
"Iraqi men and children celebrate as they tear apart a U.S. Army vehicle after it was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade in Baghdad, July 3, 2003. At least one U.S. soldier and two Iraqi passers-by were wounded in the attack on Thursday and in a separate incident another six U.S. soldiers were wounded in western Iraq in the latest of spate of increasingly bold guerrilla-style attacks.
REUTERS/Faleh Kheiber "Comment
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If they ivaded it to stop midless killing each and every day, and try and bring some law & order into the country, i think i would be grateful...Originally posted by Roger
Hey, how about this? The US invades your country, change the Canadian laws that you don't like and keep the laws that you like. Won't you be better off? You shouldn't have a problem with that, should you? [/B]
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I really must agree with you.Epic CashEpic Cash works for me
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Dude what's with the pic's ??Originally posted by Corleone
they're so happy
but WHY?
"Iraqi men and children celebrate as they tear apart a U.S. Army vehicle after it was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade in Baghdad, July 3, 2003. At least one U.S. soldier and two Iraqi passers-by were wounded in the attack on Thursday and in a separate incident another six U.S. soldiers were wounded in western Iraq in the latest of spate of increasingly bold guerrilla-style attacks.
REUTERS/Faleh Kheiber "
I'm guessing you haven't anyone in your family who is over there at the moment. Because if you actually stopped to think for second, you would maybe see how fucked up it is, when you do have someone over there, and it could be them who's death is being cheered.
Get a fucking grip. We know some Iraqis are for it, some aren't. We don't need your stupid ass pics to see that...
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Sure let's give them 23 years, I'll give them all the time you want me to give them. Fact is, Iraq will still be struggling with peace and violence. We teached them how to be irresponsible and rely on someone else, so let's not be surprised by how badly they'll manage there country.Originally posted by WarChild
I'm not going to argue over why it was done. For oil, for revenge, for blood lust, regime change, WMD .. It REALLY doesn't matter.
I just don't see how anybody can make a claim that the PEOPLE or Iraq, are not better off now, than they were under Saddam Hussein. To be fair, we need to give the Iraqi people 23 years to outperform Saddam. The thing is, we won't need to. It may take 2 years, or 5 years, or even 10 years.... But most propably LESS people will die... And Iraq will have a chance to be a prosperous nation.
Who care's why the US did it .. Or if they were right or if they were wrong? Either way, Iraq is better off.
I don't think you're really thinking long term here.Comment
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Here's another, non credible republican driven hate machine
IRAQ Najat Mohammad Haidar (f) and many others
Up to 50 women accused of being prostitutes and men accused of procurement have
reportedly been publicly beheaded. The executions were part of a campaign to
stamp out prostitution and ''immoral crimes''.
Amnesty International
I guess there was no gofuckyourself.iraq.Comment
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LMFAO !!Originally posted by erehwon
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"Gimme the flower or i'll shoot you"Comment
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They tried to raise up against Saddam .. The US, unfortunetly that time, did not back them as promised. So Saddam gassed those who rose up against him.Originally posted by Roger
Sure let's give them 23 years, I'll give them all the time you want me to give them. Fact is, Iraq will still be struggling with peace and violence. We teached them how to be irresponsible and rely on someone else, so let's not be surprised by how badly they'll manage there country.
I don't think you're really thinking long term here..Comment
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A recent opinion poll in Iraq asked the citizens if they thought they were better off now that Saddam was no longer in power. Approx 60% said yes.Originally posted by WarChild
Surely an Iraqi knows more about Iraq that we do.
Saddam was a tyrannical, sadistic dictator who murdered and tortured millions. The entire country was living in fear of him. And only 60% think they are better off now? How fucked up must it be in Iraq?Comment
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i'm just showing you the story behind the scenesOriginally posted by Scott McD
Dude what's with the pic's ??
I'm guessing you haven't anyone in your family who is over there at the moment. Because if you actually stopped to think for second, you would maybe see how fucked up it is, when you do have someone over there, and it could be them who's death is being cheered.
Get a fucking grip. We know some Iraqis are for it, some aren't. We don't need your stupid ass pics to see that...
sorry that some of your family is over there.. call them and tell them to get out of iraq
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Guess what? I'm not happy with the way my country is run, yet you don't see me asking for some country to invade me and you can be sure as hell that I will never ask for such a thing no matter how bad my country is run.Originally posted by Scott McD
No, it's you who are saying we shouldn't be there.
So those people were happy with the way their country was run ??
I've since changed my mind about them though. I say fucking leave them to themselves. Not fucking worth it...
I'm saying that some other countries are asking for help and really need it yet they don't see that help coming. I'm saying that genocides are being committed as we speak and nothing is being done even though Bush said and repeated time and time again that there's no place for tyrants. I'm suggesting that he does as he says instead of using double standards.Comment
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Originally posted by Corleone
i'm just showing you the story behind the scenes
sorry that some of your family is over there.. call them and tell them to get out of iraq
its not worth to die for oil
You know what's going on "behind the scenes" in Iraq .. because you've been there, behind the scenes .. right?.Comment
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Originally posted by WarChild
1) See point 2.
2) With all due respect ... What source would you accept as being credible? Certainly no large media will do, CNN, FOX et all are clearly just lying to everyone.
How about a letter from an Iraqi to the United Nations by Ahmad Chalabi, HEAD OF THE IRAQI DELEGATION
Mr. President:
I stand before this Assembly as a representative of free Iraq. To all those here who helped us in our struggle for liberation we extend our gratitude. Our liberation would not have been achieved without the determination of President, George W. Bush and the commitment of the Coalition, at the forefront of which stand the people of the United States of America and Great Britain. The Iraqis will never forget your courage and sacrifice on our behalf.
"To those who stood with the dictator and who continue to question the intentions of the American and British governments in undertaking this liberation, we invite you to come and visit the mass graves where half a million of our citizens lie, come and visit the dried up marshes, come and visit Halabja where chemicals were dropped on civilians, come and examine the lists of the disappeared whose right to live was taken away from them by Saddam Hussein. And we the Iraqi people will ask you why you chose to remain silent."
United Nations
Surely an Iraqi knows more about Iraq that we do. I suppose he's part of the world wide , George Bush lead, republican conspiracy machine.
Do you even know who Ahmad Chalabi is???? Do you know that he is wanted all over arab-world as a criminal????
50% of violance in Iraq towards USA troops must be because they made HIM head of the delegationComment
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could be the other 40% are scared he might come back 2 power.Originally posted by volante
A recent opinion poll in Iraq asked the citizens if they thought they were better off now that Saddam was no longer in power. Approx 60% said yes.
Saddam was a tyrannical, sadistic dictator who murdered and tortured millions. The entire country was living in fear of him. And only 60% think they are better off now? How fucked up must it be in Iraq?
heck I bet a lot still think his sons are still alive.Epic CashEpic Cash works for me
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from the opinions on the politics forums i breeze thru, cnn seemsOriginally posted by WarChild
1) See point 2.
2) With all due respect ... What source would you accept as being credible? Certainly no large media will do, CNN, FOX et all are clearly just lying to everyone.
How about a letter from an Iraqi to the United Nations by Ahmad Chalabi, HEAD OF THE IRAQI DELEGATION
Mr. President:
I stand before this Assembly as a representative of free Iraq. To all those here who helped us in our struggle for liberation we extend our gratitude. Our liberation would not have been achieved without the determination of President, George W. Bush and the commitment of the Coalition, at the forefront of which stand the people of the United States of America and Great Britain. The Iraqis will never forget your courage and sacrifice on our behalf.
"To those who stood with the dictator and who continue to question the intentions of the American and British governments in undertaking this liberation, we invite you to come and visit the mass graves where half a million of our citizens lie, come and visit the dried up marshes, come and visit Halabja where chemicals were dropped on civilians, come and examine the lists of the disappeared whose right to live was taken away from them by Saddam Hussein. And we the Iraqi people will ask you why you chose to remain silent."
United Nations
Surely an Iraqi knows more about Iraq that we do. I suppose he's part of the world wide , George Bush lead, republican conspiracy machine.
to have a reasonable rep for impartiality, fox the worst. for one it's owned by murdoch; another of his media outlets "weeklystandard" is run by william kristol, a right-wing neo-con behind the "project for a new american century" manifesto, which was the blueprint for the iraq invasion.
do u know the story behind this Ahmad Chalabi guy? wanted in jordan for fraud, apparently loathed by the iraqi population as a u.s. lackey, hasn't lived in iraq since the 1950's, and is chummy (going back to university) with the neocons in the bush admin.(b] cheap hmtl programer for hire (/b)Comment
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Your goverment probably doesn't openly murder it's people, does it?Originally posted by Roger
Guess what? I'm not happy with the way my country is run, yet you don't see me asking for some country to invade me and you can be sure as hell that I will never ask for such a thing no matter how bad my country is run.
Would you feel the same way if your brother and father "dissapeared" with Saddam's Special Police?
If your sister or mother was raped by a state sanction rape gang in front of you, while you were made to watch .. Would you feel the same?
If, when you didn't agree with your goverment, it killed your people .. Would you feel the same?
Of course not. You can't compare the minor political problems of a civilized nation to the brutal reign of a tyranical dictator. Surely you must see the difference..Comment
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Yeah I know the story about him .. Much of it seems to be speculation though.Originally posted by 404
do u know the story behind this Ahmad Chalabi guy? wanted in jordan for fraud, apparently loathed by the iraqi population as a u.s. lackey, hasn't lived in iraq since the 1950's, and is chummy (going back to university) with the neocons in the bush admin..Comment
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why not some other country help them out? Why not the French and Germany? Why not?Originally posted by Roger
Guess what? I'm not happy with the way my country is run, yet you don't see me asking for some country to invade me and you can be sure as hell that I will never ask for such a thing no matter how bad my country is run.
I'm saying that some other countries are asking for help and really need it yet they don't see that help coming. I'm saying that genocides are being committed as we speak and nothing is being done even though Bush said and repeated time and time again that there's no place for tyrants. I'm suggesting that he does as he says instead of using double standards.Epic CashEpic Cash works for me
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Agreed I don't like any of the pics. Sorry for your family. My relatives in Iraq got the hell outta there once Iraq was liberated and they started receiving death threats from religious fundamentalists simply for being Christian. Hate towards Christians seems to be spreading all around the ME.Originally posted by Scott McD
Dude what's with the pic's ??
I'm guessing you haven't anyone in your family who is over there at the moment. Because if you actually stopped to think for second, you would maybe see how fucked up it is, when you do have someone over there, and it could be them who's death is being cheered.
Get a fucking grip. We know some Iraqis are for it, some aren't. We don't need your stupid ass pics to see that...Comment
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I don't know, maybe because they don't see themselves as the world police. Maybe it's because they didn't chant "death to all tyrants" like Bush did. If you say something, you better deliver on it.Originally posted by jimmyf
why not some other country help them out? Why not the French and Germany? Why not?Comment
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Originally posted by jimmyf
why not some other country help them out? Why not the French and Germany? Why not?
The Germans don't want to attack anybody. Last couple of times they did that, they ended up on the short end of the stick.
And the French are still afraid of the Germans... Well, and everyone else.
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Originally posted by Roger
I don't know, maybe because they don't see themselves as the world police. Maybe it's because they didn't chant "death to all tyrants" like Bush did. If you say something, you better deliver on it.
Yeah but unfortunetly .. after bailing all of Europe out of WW2 .. It's sort of been the US's job.
Look, I don't think Bush is perfect. But I do think the ends justifies the means.
The world needs super powers to police it. Smaller nations can't police themselves, obviously. They need help. Honest to goodness help. Hopefully we can both agree that if someone is going to police the world, better the US than say Iraq
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I still wouldn't want my country to be invaded that's for sure.Originally posted by WarChild
Your goverment probably doesn't openly murder it's people, does it?
Would you feel the same way if your brother and father "dissapeared" with Saddam's Special Police?
If your sister or mother was raped by a state sanction rape gang in front of you, while you were made to watch .. Would you feel the same?
If, when you didn't agree with your goverment, it killed your people .. Would you feel the same?
Of course not. You can't compare the minor political problems of a civilized nation to the brutal reign of a tyranical dictator. Surely you must see the difference.Comment
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Originally posted by WarChild
The Germans don't want to attack anybody. Last couple of times they did that, they ended up on the short end of the stick.
And the French are still afraid of the Germans... Well, and everyone else.
simple: because there was no reason to attack iraq
where are the weapons?
where is osama?
the bush regime wanted to attack iraq since the first day they're on the red buttonComment
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Well they got one for sure, Gorge BushOriginally posted by dav555add
Why would someone mess with a dead body?
Those people are utterly fucked up and deserved another saddam
Fuck it dude, lets go bowling
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Well I guess this is where we fundamentaly disagree then.Originally posted by Roger
I still wouldn't want my country to be invaded that's for sure.
If my country were being run by thugs, and the population was helpless to do effect change for fear of death... I think I would want somebody's help to change the situation.
In any case .. Two things:
1) I'm going to bed.
2) Been nice talking with you... It's too bad we didn't get down to calling each other stupid and stuff .. Maybe next time .. k?Last edited by WarChild; 03-31-2004, 04:25 AM..Comment
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nobody knows -- its all a big media thing..Originally posted by WarChild
You know what's going on "behind the scenes" in Iraq .. because you've been there, behind the scenes .. right?
some ppl here posted happy iraqi pics.. i did the same.. with the story ( from reuters )Comment
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Originally posted by WarChild
Yeah but unfortunetly .. after bailing all of Europe out of WW2 .. It's sort of been the US's job.
Look, I don't think Bush is perfect. But I do think the ends justifies the means.
The world needs super powers to police it. Smaller nations can't police themselves, obviously. They need help. Honest to goodness help. Hopefully we can both agree that if someone is going to police the world, better the US than say Iraq
I'm sorry mate the US was not the only country to bail out Europe, another country which is hardly even mentioned did quite a bit in the war effort against hilter and stalin - The Ukraine!!
So don't go thinking all credit goes to the US!!
Fuck Britain bailed out Europe in WW1
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Big ups to the Ukraine then.Originally posted by radical
I'm sorry mate the US was not the only country to bail out Europe, another country which is hardly even mentioned did quite a bit in the war effort against hilter and stalin - The Ukraine!!
So don't go thinking all credit goes to the US!!
Fuck Britain bailed out Europe in WW1
I was actually poking fun at France. If the US wasn't in the business of saving people from brutal regimes, the French would be speaking German.
Even the Polish fought the Germans, on horse back in some cases ... The french surrendered. Boo.Comment
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If you're gonna police the world you better do it without double standards. If you want to be respected, you should treat the world the same way you treat your own citizens.Originally posted by WarChild
Yeah but unfortunetly .. after bailing all of Europe out of WW2 .. It's sort of been the US's job.
Look, I don't think Bush is perfect. But I do think the ends justifies the means.
The world needs super powers to police it. Smaller nations can't police themselves, obviously. They need help. Honest to goodness help. Hopefully we can both agree that if someone is going to police the world, better the US than say Iraq
Smaller nations can police themselves as long as there's no stupid interventions by the super powers.Comment
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Of course they can .. Many wonderful examples of this. But in the odd times, they are unable to .. It's nice of someone to help out.Originally posted by Roger
If you're gonna police the world you better do it without double standards. If you want to be respected, you should treat the world the same way you treat your own citizens.
Smaller nations can police themselves as long as there's no stupid interventions by the super powers..Comment
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Nice dreams. No, I don't like to insult people.Originally posted by WarChild
2) Been nice talking with you... It's too bad we didn't get down to calling each other stupid and stuff .. Maybe next time .. k?Comment
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Yes, please help out upon request. Plenty of countries are requesting help, that should keep us busy for quiet some time.Originally posted by WarChild
Of course they can .. Many wonderful examples of this. But in the odd times, they are unable to .. It's nice of someone to help out.Comment
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Okay that one made me laugh.Originally posted by Corleone
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Originally posted by WarChild
Big ups to the Ukraine then.
I was actually poking fun at France. If the US wasn't in the business of saving people from brutal regimes, the French would be speaking German.
Even the Polish fought the Germans, on horse back in some cases ... The french surrendered. Boo
The French had no option but to surrender, they were outgunned and out manouvered by germany's military superiorority!!
But you've not only the US to thank for liberating France, you've the british, canadians, australians etc etc!! Even the french resisitence played their part!!
There's no doubt the US played a major part in the war effort, but there's a lot of other countries who did their bit too!!
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sick.. this fucker is sending thousands of ppl into a war and was deserting in vietnamComment
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Iraqis Drag Four Corpses Through Streets
Jubilant residents yanked the bodies of four foreigners ? one a woman, at least one an American ? out of their burning cars Wednesday, dragged the charred corpses through the streets, and hung them from the bridge spanning the Euphrates River.
Five American troops died in a roadside bombing nearby.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=540&ncid=716
Bad news from Iraq.Comment
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