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03-30-2004, 11:49 AM

hi all...

does someone know about companies, that help you open a swiss bank account ? fast and serious......

spam me with details....

(let me alone with your TAX moral i am not US citizen)
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03-30-2004, 11:58 AM

I had swiss account and i'm not refering it to you. Their politic is stupid. All they want is to have money on account, they hate out transfers. They will call you and ask why are you making transfers. They gonna ask you where the money comes from. Now i'm using offshore, http://www.loyalbank.com is very nice

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03-30-2004, 11:59 AM

Listen I know pretty much about offshore and secret banking.
I suggest you to avoid sSitzerland.
It used to be good but it sucks pretty much now.
Go for a bank account in Latvia, I suggest you Parex Bank they are great.
Chek www.parex.net
I have there a corporate account fom my Seychelles company and a personal account under a fake name with an anonymous cyrrus card i can withdraw all over the word. Plus they give u a great internat banking.
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03-30-2004, 12:03 PM

Swiss is alright, but theres another bank thats much better. bank of nevis if you want to give that a try.

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03-30-2004, 12:06 PM

hey AlexShark
you gotto give me reasons for your post lol
proof that you know what youre talking about
i wouldnt deposit into a country called Latvia lol

where's that located?? how about their political situation???
in bigpins situation i would rather pay taxes than putting my money there lol
stop posting bullshit or show off
its switzerland not sSitzerland by the way

as far as BigPinPin goes:
you can go with any swiss bank as far as i was told
you could for example google for credit swiss
you dont need a company to setup accounts for that

now alexshark
i wanna know why "it sucks pretty much now"
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03-30-2004, 12:07 PM

hmm i wouldn't recommend loyalbank.. it sucks!!!!

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03-30-2004, 12:10 PM

Latvia is entering the European Community in 1 month if this is enought for you.

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Originally posted by Trax
hey AlexShark
you gotto give me reasons for your post lol
proof that you know what youre talking about
i wouldnt deposit into a country called Latvia lol

where's that located?? how about their political situation???
in bigpins situation i would rather pay taxes than putting my money there lol
stop posting bullshit or show off
its switzerland not sSitzerland by the way

as far as BigPinPin goes:
you can go with any swiss bank as far as i was told
you could for example google for credit swiss
you dont need a company to setup accounts for that

now alexshark
i wanna know why "it sucks pretty much now"
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03-30-2004, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by AlexShark
Latvia is entering the European Community in 1 month if this is enought for you.

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lemme guess where you come from? do you think entering the EU makes latvia better at all?

its still a 3rd world country and always will
along with the 10 or 15 other ones entering

now where are the reasons you wanted to show me?? the one you gave me is not enough - no lol
why would a people with a brain bigger than a peanut want to put their money into your country? and why has switzerland gone so bad?
i still have friends living there and i go meet them regulary. i know quite a lot about their system ... i guess i know why billions and billions of euros from all over europe are placed there...
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03-30-2004, 12:19 PM

Let me tell the situation....i will move soon to switzerland.

For now we have an US Inc. in Delaware
We are located on the canary islands...now we need also a bank account...our taxes we would pay in spain of course BUT ...it needs fucking loong to open here on this island a bank account for an us inc and i get from ailcorp no information, where we could get a US Bank account and how.....fast as possible...thats all.
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03-30-2004, 12:20 PM

There are a few other threads about this subject. Not sure if the search function is working or not.
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03-30-2004, 12:24 PM

Actually, Latvia isnt a very good alternative, entering the EU and all.

I´d recommend (and yes, I have got experience) Barclays/Singers/Lloyds/SC in the Isle of man.

Besides, Swiss accounts aren´t what they used to be...
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03-30-2004, 12:25 PM

I set U up in Nigeria or Ivory Coast money good
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03-30-2004, 12:26 PM

cayman islands, could try there
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03-30-2004, 12:27 PM

any url??? THX
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03-30-2004, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by MattO
I set U up in Nigeria or Ivory Coast money good

Good good. I pay you dollar currency from Beaver Pay... ok?
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03-30-2004, 12:30 PM

Why do you want a company to open an account for you? Almost all swiss bankwebsites has a page in english. Follow the "open bankaccount" link and you are on your way.

http://www.ubs.ch/
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03-30-2004, 12:33 PM

BigPinPin:

You don't need any "consultants" or companies to open bank accounts. It's the same as opening a bank account where you stay - it costs nothing.

I'd agree with AlexSharp on the "status" of using Switzerland as a banking jurisdiction. Places like Latvia are much better.

It may also be worth mentioning that stuff about Latvia joining the EU is 99.9% irrelevant in relation to banking. Latvia has no intention of dumping it's banking laws and the millions of $$'s in earnings because it happens to join the EU. This may be something that will come into play at some future time tho.

It is also relevant that if you are resident within the EU, it may be better to consider banking outside that region.

I'd smell the main criteria for "anything" to do with corps and banking is - stay the hell out of any high tax regime country - that includes the US, Canada and the majority of EU countries.

Also.. think you said it :-) None of the above is viable for US citizens.

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03-30-2004, 12:35 PM

i speak german..i understand what they want:

ubs requires a permanent minimum balance of 100.000$ ..... I dont have just like this 100k to get a stupid bank account. This is written in their pdf files what they send you with the required document request...
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03-30-2004, 12:35 PM

If you are trying to hide money the Government tracks everything!
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03-30-2004, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by AlexShark
Listen I know pretty much about offshore and secret banking.
I suggest you to avoid sSitzerland.
It used to be good but it sucks pretty much now.
Go for a bank account in Latvia, I suggest you Parex Bank they are great.
Chek www.parex.net
I have there a corporate account fom my Seychelles company and a personal account under a fake name with an anonymous cyrrus card i can withdraw all over the word. Plus they give u a great internat banking.
good luck

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03-30-2004, 12:37 PM

I am not fro Latvia.
I am actually from Italy even if I don't live there anymore.

The fact is that entering the E.U. should be at least a guarantee that the country has got some potentials and it's economical and political situation is stable.

Anyway i could read on the newspaper every day... Italian politicians stealing millions from the governent and hiding them in Swiss Bank account... guess what ... those money are now all back.

One more thing... I tried to transwer around 100.000 euros to a swiss bank 2 years ago and I got them back to the transferring bank as there was not a so clear justification. And believe me the owner of the swiss account was a swiss company with a swiss president.

I tried with another swiss bank and the same happen.

I must admit I was lucky on my third attempt when I transferred the money to a Swiss Postal Account.

Anyway i take this "discussion" with you as a way to improve my knowledge not a fight as I don't really have time to fight about this.

Ok take care 1orglaugh for now. I appreciate your questions and your suggestions.

Originally posted by Trax

lemme guess where you come from? do you think entering the EU makes latvia better at all?

its still a 3rd world country and always will
along with the 10 or 15 other ones entering

now where are the reasons you wanted to show me?? the one you gave me is not enough - no lol
why would a people with a brain bigger than a peanut want to put their money into your country? and why has switzerland gone so bad?
i still have friends living there and i go meet them regulary. i know quite a lot about their system ... i guess i know why billions and billions of euros from all over europe are placed there...
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03-30-2004, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Webby
BigPinPin:

You don't need any "consultants" or companies to open bank accounts. It's the same as opening a bank account where you stay - it costs nothing.

I'd agree with AlexSharp on the "status" of using Switzerland as a banking jurisdiction. Places like Latvia are much better.

It may also be worth mentioning that stuff about Latvia joining the EU is 99.9% irrelevant in relation to banking. Latvia has no intention of dumping it's banking laws and the millions of $$'s in earnings because it happens to join the EU. This may be something that will come into play at some future time tho.

It is also relevant that if you are resident within the EU, it may be better to consider banking outside that region.

I'd smell the main criteria for "anything" to do with corps and banking is - stay the hell out of any high tax regime country - that includes the US, Canada and the majority of EU countries.

Also.. think you said it :-) None of the above is viable for US citizens.

As you probably don't know all EU states will share account information from 2005 execpt for the secrecy states Austria, Luxembourg and Belgium.
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03-30-2004, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by Webby
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It may also be worth mentioning that stuff about Latvia joining the EU is 99.9% irrelevant in relation to banking. Latvia has no intention of dumping it's banking laws and the millions of $$'s in earnings because it happens to join the EU. This may be something that will come into play at some future time tho.

Latvia isnt that bad but go somewhere else. Places I´d look at before:

IoM
Bahamas
Seychelles
Panama
Caymans
BVI
Turks
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03-30-2004, 12:46 PM

BigPinPin:

For now we have an US Inc. in Delaware
We are located on the canary islands...now we need also a bank account...our taxes we would pay in spain of course BUT ...it needs fucking loong to open here on this island a bank account for an us inc and i get from ailcorp no information, where we could get a US Bank account and how.....fast as possible...thats all.

Mmm.. first, any US corp is useless for anything except the possibility of using US processors (but that's another long story that anyone who is not resident in the US needs like they need leprosy.)

Second.. you hit the Euro jusisdiction (by the Canaries). You need advice and a look at all "possibilities" on this - it ain't a 10 second decision :-)

I'd be inclined to look at a corp in possibly the Caribbean or maybe Portugal with bank accounts *anywhere* that suits - they could be in Latvia, but I'd be more inclined to keep em outside the EU. It may be relevant from a processor side to have a legal entity within the EU (ie a non-resident corp in Portugal).

The comments about places like Cayman are invalid - these places are not offshores any longer.

Bucklover:

If you are trying to hide money the Government tracks everything!

The use of corps and banking does not mean anything to do with "hiding money" :-) Tis just common sense organisation of a business if the controllers reside in a jurisdiction which legally entitles them to act via the use of other jurisdications.

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03-30-2004, 12:50 PM

Calvinguy:

As you probably don't know all EU states will share account information from 2005 execpt for the secrecy states Austria, Luxembourg and Belgium.

All that stuff is not relevant unless there is tax fraud within the EU. Banks are not going to open accounts up with no "evidence" presented to courts of any crimes or frauds - standard practice.

Eg... I have not problem using Latvia since it is irrelevant who "shares" information about me. But.. I'd be jumping up and down if some asshole bank decided to chat with the world without a court order :-)

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03-30-2004, 12:52 PM

Chupachups:

Latvia isnt that bad but go somewhere else. Places I´d look at before:

IoM
Bahamas
Seychelles
Panama
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And it does make ya when you have to say the same old shit over and over before some get a clue *g*

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03-30-2004, 12:53 PM

If u need a colplete view of offshore possibilities have a look at this:

http://www.global-money.com

They are just brokers so damn expensive for the services.

If you interested in something particualr that u find in there then do a specific research on google.

Good luck...
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03-30-2004, 01:01 PM

AlexShark:

From: http://www.global-money.com/offshore.php

Bank Accounts Worlwide @ ?1.000

I "like" these fees!! You said they were expensive!

Would you love to spend all day filling in forms that take 20 mins each and for folks to keep pumping you $1000 for this 20 mins work??

Agree with you on the need to research this lot tho!!

PS.. Hell.. even better - it's 1000 Euros!!

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03-30-2004, 01:03 PM

The new auditing rules coming in to "combat terrorism" are dramatically changing the landscape for previously safe banking zones like Switzerland. The ability to track money internationally is improving a lot too.

Just something to bear in mind..
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03-30-2004, 01:11 PM

TheFrog:

The new auditing rules coming in to "combat terrorism" are dramatically changing the landscape for previously safe banking zones like Switzerland. The ability to track money internationally is improving a lot too.

Just something to bear in mind..

This is relevant to folks who are not "legitimately" offshore and "legal" - Otherwise it does not matter.

I give em the standard blank if any questions are raised by parties other than those involved - tis none of their damned business :-) Tho I would be inclined to genuinely help if there were questions that could possibly be related to "terrorism" and not some damned snoopers :-) We have nothing to hide and won't be opening our legs to anyone who happens to pass by.

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03-30-2004, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Webby
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And it does make ya when you have to say the same old shit over and over before some get a clue *g*

Which means exactly what?
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03-30-2004, 01:24 PM

Eastern Europe does seem to be the new banking haven...

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03-30-2004, 01:38 PM

Chupachups:

Which means exactly what?

It means that it is so blatantly obvious that people talk about "offshores" etc not having the slightest clue about what they are saying and making loads of assumptions.

Your comments about these other jurisdictions are valid and each has to do their own research to confirm a situation is both relevant and beneficial.

As a clue.. we hauled along some actual offshore lawyers to net conventions to talk on the valid uses of offshores. The questions they were asked could have been answered by the guy cleaning the toilets - Hence the :-)

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03-30-2004, 02:09 PM

All I can say is that I would not go with Credit Suisse. We had an account with them for our Swiss corporation and they were awful to deal with. Last year we moved to ZKB and have been very happy since

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03-30-2004, 02:26 PM

There are some nice smaller Banks like ZKB, Migrosbank, Coopbank, Raiffeisen and so on. I would not jump on the big ones.

btw. I think nomex.ch is dealing with serious customers and help them opening a Swiss company and/or bank account. Just give it a try

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03-30-2004, 02:30 PM

How do you get a bank account at say parex.net over the phone/internet?
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03-30-2004, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by MrJackMeHoff
How do you get a bank account at say parex.net over the phone/internet?

O opened over a year ago with Parex.

They send u an email with the forms.

You print them and fill them in.

Then they need a copy of your passport that must be apostilled.

If it's a corporate bank account they will tell you what copies of docs they need that also must be apostilled.

You send all to them and tranfer the opening fees ..it was i think 100 bucks with card included.
In about 2 weeks you receive the package with your card, and a calculator lookalike that generates a secret code every time you need to access internet banking.

It was like this and Ii think nothing much has changed.

Check Parex.net and write them they are very helpfull.

PS: you could avoid all the copies and apostilles by popping into their office in Riga but it depends where u are.
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03-30-2004, 03:24 PM

Highlight reel from the Central Intelligence Agency on Latvia...
http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications...k/geos/lg.html

Location:
Eastern Europe, bordering the Baltic Sea, between Estonia and Lithuania

Backround:
After a brief period of independence between the two World Wars, Latvia was annexed by the USSR in 1940. It reestablished its independence in 1991 following the breakup of the Soviet Union. Although the last Russian troops left in 1994, the status of the Russian minority (some 30% of the population) remains of concern to Moscow. Latvia continues to revamp its economy for eventual integration into various Western European political and economic institutions and was invited to join NATO and the EU in 2002.

Economic Overview:
Latvia's transitional economy recovered from the 1998 Russian financial crisis, largely due to the SKELE government's budget stringency and a gradual reorientation of exports toward EU countries, lessening Latvia's trade dependency on Russia. The majority of companies, banks, and real estate have been privatized, although the state still holds sizable stakes in a few large enterprises. Latvia officially joined the World Trade Organization in February 1999. Preparing for EU membership continues as a top foreign policy goal. The current account and internal government deficits remain major concerns, but the government's efforts to increase efficiency in revenue collection may lessen the budget deficit.

Telephone system:
general assessment: inadequate, but is being modernized to provide an international capability independent of the Moscow international switch; more facilities are being installed for individual use

domestic: expansion underway in intercity trunk line connections, rural exchanges, and mobile systems; still many unsatisfied subscriber applications

international: international connections are now available via cable and a satellite earth station at Riga, enabling direct connections for most calls (1998)

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