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12-05-2004, 11:30 PM

We are very glad to see that the new MPA3 affiliate software system has NO SHAVE feature!!!

They have come a long way...LOTS OF NEW BITCHING TOOLS and nice webmaster area....

I think MPA3 and NATS are two of the best affiiate software programs i have seen so far....whats your opinions on both?

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12-05-2004, 11:32 PM

Tell more.

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12-05-2004, 11:34 PM

... that's too bad, noone will buy it, I bet they are very open when it comes to custom adjustments.
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12-05-2004, 11:39 PM

I will never support a program that supports a company scamming webmasters
fuck if its MPA 2, 3, 4 or 23

That product is dead.
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12-05-2004, 11:44 PM

they actually have come a long way....i do give them tons of credit for that
they took a bad situation and made it totally good

fact is, as long as a sponsor makes me money and the clicks and counts add up on mine and their end, i will send traffic and continue to make money with them....i don't care what system them use
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12-05-2004, 11:52 PM

MPA embodies all that is evil in this business, this mindset that scamming other people is somehow an appropriate way to do business just because it's adult.

Whether it's "age verifiers" that claim to be free, or shaving, or stealing content, you're either screwing the customer or screwing other webmasters or screwing content producers...

You can make money in adult by being legitimate, by being smart, talented, organized, and respected. Lots of people do it.

MPA's business SHOULD be adversely impacted by coding in features to steal from legitimate webmasters just so they could sell a few extra copies to shitty sponsors.

I'll support NATS by using NATS sponsors not because I like NATS, but because I detest MPA and can't wait to see them fold, just like all the other crooked garbage in this industry.
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12-06-2004, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by Trax
I will never support a program that supports a company scamming webmasters
fuck if its MPA 2, 3, 4 or 23

That product is dead.

hmmm, thats sad to hear because i dont think thats a professional and fair way of looking at it...i dont care what Mansion has done or what experiences you have had with them but those who have ONLY hired them for just programming shouldnt be hated for it....but thats just my opinion i guess...

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12-06-2004, 01:00 AM

MPA is like a kid toucher. Regardless if they have been rehabiliated, would you let one watch your kid? Same with my traffic. Traffic = kids. MPA= kid toucher. Do the math

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12-06-2004, 03:01 AM

Originally posted by AdultLoungeRaffi
hmmm, thats sad to hear because i dont think thats a professional and fair way of looking at it...i dont care what Mansion has done or what experiences you have had with them but those who have ONLY hired them for just programming shouldnt be hated for it....but thats just my opinion i guess...

to be honest that is the only way to deal with it in a professional way. you can not support a company that scammed affiliates - the people that work for you - the foundation of every affiliate program.

You should do anything to not support such companies - let alone us their services and/or pay them money. Especially when there are better products on the market (personal opinion).

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12-06-2004, 03:03 AM

i don't believe it... there's no such thing as a 'shave free' aff software..

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12-06-2004, 03:06 AM

I sale kustom MPA shave modifikations for cheep!
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12-06-2004, 03:18 AM

Originally posted by abyss_al
i don't believe it... there's no such thing as a 'shave free' aff software..

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12-06-2004, 03:36 AM

Originally posted by abyss_al
i don't believe it... there's no such thing as a 'shave free' aff software..

NATS is pretty shave free... If there is a shave feature, I can't find it...nor can the NATS team.
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12-06-2004, 05:21 AM

You can bet your ASS NATS is shave free, and not one NATS affilate program is ever going to shave with it, using there own ways around it or not. If Nats catches you shaving sales off there system they said they will straight up turn your program off. Thats enough of a threat to make sure ALL NATS affilate programs never even think about it. Its all encrpyted and works great.

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12-06-2004, 06:25 AM

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12-06-2004, 06:36 AM

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12-06-2004, 06:56 AM

hmmm its interesting how TripleXCash still uses MPA2... maybe there are features in there they like that arnt in MPA3

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12-06-2004, 07:01 AM

doesnt matter if they removed it, they shot themselves in the foot when it went public they had it to begin with. u can sprinkle all the jimmies u want on a pile of shit, it' still a pile of shit regardless

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12-06-2004, 07:11 AM

Ok so following the line of thinking in this thread... Everyone that also USED MPA2 and now using NATS had the intention of scamming you because the shave feature was there... but now they have seen the light and using NATS soooo its ok.

MPA2 had the feature in, it was up to the company whether to use it or not. Its wrong that it had the feature in, but don't tarnish everyone with the same brush.

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12-06-2004, 07:33 AM

NATS all the way baby.

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12-06-2004, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by Darren
Ok so following the line of thinking in this thread... Everyone that also USED MPA2 and now using NATS had the intention of scamming you because the shave feature was there... but now they have seen the light and using NATS soooo its ok.

MPA2 had the feature in, it was up to the company whether to use it or not. Its wrong that it had the feature in, but don't tarnish everyone with the same brush.

This is a completely backwards way of looking at things.

No one ever said "everyone" using MPA2 was using the shave feature. That is the problem. By Mansion including it in their software they tarnished all of their client's reputations.

The programs moving from MPA2/3 to NATS are doing so to establish credibility and move to a more stable and flexible platform. They are not the programs to worry about.

The programs choosing to stay on MPA2 are the one's that everyone should be wondering about.

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12-06-2004, 08:16 AM

MPA fucked with the version 2.0 ... now they payback and loose people . too bad for them

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I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?
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12-06-2004, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Trax
I will never support a program that supports a company scamming webmasters
fuck if its MPA 2, 3, 4 or 23

That product is dead.

Exactly ... fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me

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I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?
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12-06-2004, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by AdultLoungeRaffi
hmmm, thats sad to hear because i dont think thats a professional and fair way of looking at it...i dont care what Mansion has done or what experiences you have had with them but those who have ONLY hired them for just programming shouldnt be hated for it....but thats just my opinion i guess...

Hey ... They fucked a lot of webmasters up with this feature making shaving more avaliable and easy to do ...

They did the WRONG thing and I'm NEVER gonna trust mansion again . They claimed they were good and shave proof during all that time .

Originally posted by rayadp05

I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?
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12-06-2004, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
Exactly ... fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me

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12-06-2004, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by shermsshack
NATS is pretty shave free... If there is a shave feature, I can't find it...nor can the NATS team.

You still got access to the databases so shaving IS possible ... but I agree, joe blow with no budjet cannot shave now

Originally posted by rayadp05

I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?
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12-06-2004, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
You still got access to the databases so shaving IS possible ... but I agree, joe blow with no budjet cannot shave now

And again, it's next to impossible. You have no idea of the scale and scope of the checks and balances put in place to make sure people can't play with the numbers. Something will break. And when we find out they are trying to fool with the numebers their liscense will be revoked and legal action will be taken.

Now, as an affilaite you have to ask yourself. Do you want to promote a program with a backend having that stance or a backend made by a company who decided to allow webmasters to cheat their affiliates with a few clicks of the mouse.

Not a hard decision in my eyes.

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12-06-2004, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
You still got access to the databases so shaving IS possible ... but I agree, joe blow with no budjet cannot shave now

If you remove member data from your NATS DB it breaks. The member data tables are split into many areas to go around this problem, damn near making it impossible to beat unless you really know the nats system.

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12-06-2004, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
MPA is like a kid toucher. Regardless if they have been rehabiliated, would you let one watch your kid? Same with my traffic. Traffic = kids. MPA= kid toucher. Do the math

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Open your eyes. CCbill had a shave feature too and I bet you would not stay away from them because of it, right? Everyone makes mistakes and it is not Mansions fault the shave was built in, it is the webmasters that wanted it in the first place.
Mansion saw that it was causing problems so they left it out of the new version. Kudos to them for stepping up. NATS seems to be a great program too and secure against shaving. Cheating webmasters will find a way if they really want to. Your conversions and money that you make are what you should go by, not the stats.

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12-06-2004, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by AdultLoungeRaffi
We are very glad to see that the new MPA3 affiliate software system has NO SHAVE feature!!!

They have come a long way...LOTS OF NEW BITCHING TOOLS and nice webmaster area....

I think MPA3 and NATS are two of the best affiiate software programs i have seen so far....whats your opinions on both?

Ppl who are using MP2 will keep version 2 with the old shave features ..... not hard to understand

This product is dead.

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12-06-2004, 09:46 AM

cashtitans.com has been running on NATS now for for the past few days and I must say it is hands down the best affiliate software out there

Not only do they have a shave free stats system they have incorporated so many hot tools to help increase the cash flow and ease of use.

Webmasters and program owners can work much more efficiently then you can elsewhere...

I have worked with programs that have used everything from CCbill, MPA, Traffica, and a few others, and I must say NATS kicks ASS

I cannot say enough good stuff about NATS and I cannot wait to see what they have in-store for new features.

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12-06-2004, 09:47 AM

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12-06-2004, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
And again, it's next to impossible. You have no idea of the scale and scope of the checks and balances put in place to make sure people can't play with the numbers. Something will break. And when we find out they are trying to fool with the numebers their liscense will be revoked and legal action will be taken.

Now, as an affilaite you have to ask yourself. Do you want to promote a program with a backend having that stance or a backend made by a company who decided to allow webmasters to cheat their affiliates with a few clicks of the mouse.

Not a hard decision in my eyes.

What about dropping tracking before the sale is made?

Lets say I send someone to a site with my linkcode. The site owner decides to drop my tracking code and replace it with his own.
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12-06-2004, 10:06 AM

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What about dropping tracking before the sale is made?

Lets say I send someone to a site with my linkcode. The site owner decides to drop my tracking code and replace it with his own.

That would be dead obvious to the affiliate with just a little bit of looking around. Those who choose to shave like to not be seen. This method would be VERY obvious.

It would also result in the liscense revoking that I mentioned earlier.

Where there's a will, there's a way. We do everything we can to make it as hard as possible, and we follow that up with a very hard policy on trying to get around what we do.

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12-06-2004, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
That would be dead obvious to the affiliate with just a little bit of looking around. Those who choose to shave like to not be seen. This method would be VERY obvious.

It would also result in the liscense revoking that I mentioned earlier.

Where there's a will, there's a way. We do everything we can to make it as hard as possible, and we follow that up with a very hard policy on trying to get around what we do.

Unfortunately I've seen too many sponsor do it, even if it's obvious
It's half impossible to keep track of cheaters like that with NATS.

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12-06-2004, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by swedguy
Unfortunately I've seen too many sponsor do it, even if it's obvious
It's half impossible to keep track of cheaters like that with NATS.

?nats=MTAwMBgyOjM6Ag

opposed to

?wmid=10234

Sponsors could also not send checks or send wrong check amounds, etc., etc.

The point is it's something obvious that takes only a minute or two to verify if the affilaite wants to spend the time.

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12-06-2004, 11:32 AM

i dont know why any of them would have a feature like that built into it in the first place.
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12-06-2004, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
Sponsors could also not send checks or send wrong check amounds, etc., etc.

The point is it's something obvious that takes only a minute or two to verify if the affilaite wants to spend the time.

Of course they can, anything is possible

My point is that it's NOT obvious. NATS has probably lots of security measures to make sure the sponsor isn't shaving. But you made it harder to see the easiest shave of them all, changing the tracking code.

The ones I've found and the ones that has been posted here is the ones that has been found by "just checking out the sponsor", not investigating if they shave.

"When I clicked the banner on the hosted gallery my wm ID 1234 suddenly changed to 999"
That's pretty easy to spot since you know what your wm ID is. But a 14 character string that is different for every site at that particular sponsor, is impossible to remember.

That's the only flaw I see. Other than that I'm sure you have a great product
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12-06-2004, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by swedguy
Of course they can, anything is possible

My point is that it's NOT obvious. NATS has probably lots of security measures to make sure the sponsor isn't shaving. But you made it harder to see the easiest shave of them all, changing the tracking code.

The ones I've found and the ones that has been posted here is the ones that has been found by "just checking out the sponsor", not investigating if they shave.

"When I clicked the banner on the hosted gallery my wm ID 1234 suddenly changed to 999"
That's pretty easy to spot since you know what your wm ID is. But a 14 character string that is different for every site at that particular sponsor, is impossible to remember.

That's the only flaw I see. Other than that I'm sure you have a great product

And yes, they could do that with any system. Does it take an extra 30 seconds to look and see what your NATS code is before you try the links, yes. I don't see that as a huge deal tho vs. any other system. The codes also contain much more info than just the reseller ID.

And thank you, I'm glad you like the system overall.

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12-06-2004, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
And yes, they could do that with any system. Does it take an extra 30 seconds to look and see what your NATS code is before you try the links, yes. I don't see that as a huge deal tho vs. any other system. The codes also contain much more info than just the reseller ID.

And thank you, I'm glad you like the system overall.

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12-06-2004, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by TheDoc
If you remove member data from your NATS DB it breaks. The member data tables are split into many areas to go around this problem, damn near making it impossible to beat unless you really know the nats system.

I think the first person who can beat it, should get 10 thousand dollars.

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12-06-2004, 11:55 AM

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12-06-2004, 11:57 AM

We at Mansion Productions are focusing more on making MPA3 and MAS the best products with the best support in its genre rather than joining in on biased discussions on the boards these days.

But thanks Raffi for the good words - it is our clients that finally determine how good we are in their feedback of our products.

2004 has been an interesting year, to say the least, for Mansion Productions - going from one extreme (rough first 6 months with complete company restructure and refining) to a superb last 5-6 months with better sales than ever.

Thanks for all your support.

I forsee that 2005 will be the year that we all get along and make love and not war...

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12-06-2004, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by swedguy
Unfortunately I've seen too many sponsor do it, even if it's obvious
It's half impossible to keep track of cheaters like that with NATS.

?nats=MTAwMBgyOjM6Ag

opposed to

?wmid=10234

Perhaps I'm not understanding you correctly, but if I'm sending hits to a NATS program with my campaign/tracking code, it would be very easy for me to see that the hits are not being counted.

Besides the fact that NATS is light years ahead of any version of MPA I've seen when it comes to stats reporting, ease of obtaining promo items.

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12-06-2004, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
This is a completely backwards way of looking at things.

No one ever said "everyone" using MPA2 was using the shave feature. That is the problem. By Mansion including it in their software they tarnished all of their client's reputations.

The programs moving from MPA2/3 to NATS are doing so to establish credibility and move to a more stable and flexible platform. They are not the programs to worry about.

The programs choosing to stay on MPA2 are the one's that everyone should be wondering about.

"I will never support a program that supports a company scamming webmasters
fuck if its MPA 2, 3, 4 or 23

That product is dead. "

Just to clarify they did.

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12-06-2004, 12:01 PM

MPA just got busted for pushing their product to the program owners, but affiliates finding out about the built in shave feature

Those guys have a lot of friends, so it seems like he's Christ come down off the cross now for removing fetures that are designed to fuck me over

big thanks for that, yeah, you rock

As far as ANY software goes, I dont trust it implicity. Where there is a will, there's a way. But if the ratios/sales suck, I dont care what you run your program with - I cant afford to keep pushing hits to you.

So greedy fucks will shave hard and lose accounts that watch the traffic, while many dumbasses will pump in the hits blindly, so they'll still make cash

shit, I bet that one program that got busted TWICE still gets more traffic coming in than many other programs
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12-06-2004, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by NiteRain
I think the first person who can beat it, should get 10 thousand dollars.

if 5 people tried 5 people would lose thier software liscense

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12-06-2004, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by Steve
MPA just got busted for pushing their product to the program owners, but affiliates finding out about the built in shave feature

Those guys have a lot of friends, so it seems like he's Christ come down off the cross now for removing fetures that are designed to fuck me over

big thanks for that, yeah, you rock

As far as ANY software goes, I dont trust it implicity. Where there is a will, there's a way. But if the ratios/sales suck, I dont care what you run your program with - I cant afford to keep pushing hits to you.

So greedy fucks will shave hard and lose accounts that watch the traffic, while many dumbasses will pump in the hits blindly, so they'll still make cash

shit, I bet that one program that got busted TWICE still gets more traffic coming in than many other programs

Yup, definitely agree with everything you said.

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12-06-2004, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by Darren
"I will never support a program that supports a company scamming webmasters
fuck if its MPA 2, 3, 4 or 23

That product is dead. "

Just to clarify they did.

Exactly my point. Mansion gave themselves that reputation, no one else is responsible for it.

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12-06-2004, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
The programs choosing to stay on MPA2 are the one's that everyone should be wondering about.

We personally have nothing against NATS... but have invested a lot of time and money into what is its own living and breathing version of MPA2. The first thing we did is pay to have the shave feature taken out, we show our stats to the public via www.mensniche.com/topten.php , paid for customizations such as email notifications on sales, email notifications at end of day on number of sales... we pride ourselves on offering the best webmaster support in the business, which we do.

We would never shave and never have... so ur post again tarnish's everyone under the same brush.

I have no reason to say this but its the truth MPA2 as came a long way, a very long way. Support was shit, things was not working and it was a fucking joke, but now we are happy with the software. Always looking to expand and NATS we are looking into as well... Don't promote your software by slagging off another persons... is my view.

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