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  • KRL
    Entrepreneur
    • Oct 2002
    • 31429

    #1

    Embryos and Fetuses Will Now Have Legal Rights as a Person Independent of the Mother

    The Senate just passed The Unborn Victims of Violence Act. President Bush says he will sign it into law.

    This would be the first time in federal law that an embryo or fetus is recognized as a separate and distinct person under the law, separate from the woman.

    Abortion rights lawmakers contend that giving a fetus, from the point of conception, the same legal rights as its mother sets a precedent that could be used in future legal challenges to abortion rights.

    The bill states that an assailant who attacks a pregnant woman while committing a violent federal crime can be prosecuted for separate offenses against both the woman and her unborn child. The legislation defines an "unborn child" as a child in utero, which it says "means a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."
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  • slackologist
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    • Jul 2002
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    #2
    hmmm

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    • Spunky
      I need a beer
      • Jun 2002
      • 133978

      #3
      Um...how are they going to contact a lawyer and file papers?

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      • Fletch XXX
        GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
        • Jan 2002
        • 60840

        #4
        GOD BLESS PRESIDENT BUSH

        HE IS AN ANGEL TO US

        LET US GIVE HIM PRAISE

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        • gornyhuy
          Chafed.
          • May 2002
          • 18041

          #5
          What I love most about Bush is how he is slowly taking away all of our rights and civil liberties in the name of the religious right.

          Love that.

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          • Rorschach
            So Fucking Banned
            • Aug 2002
            • 5579

            #6
            Good in terms of punishing violent crimes, but the danger to abortion rights is so much greater.

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            • directfiesta
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Oct 2002
              • 30177

              #7
              I want my sperms to have the same rights....
              I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

              But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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              • KRL
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                • Oct 2002
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                #8
                Originally posted by slackologist
                hmmm
                Exactly.
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                • HS-Trixxxia
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                  #9
                  Is he starting to feel the heat? They are passing a heck of alot of laws these days that are taking away your freedom......is he trying to get everything signed, sealed and delivered before he gets out?


                  Edit: I don't have a problem with the fetus being treated as a human.....it's the consequences that may arise regarding abortion that worries me.
                  Last edited by HS-Trixxxia; 03-25-2004, 07:16 PM.

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                  • Fletch XXX
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                    • Jan 2002
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                    #10
                    One nation under the gun
                    Where forward thinking is shunned
                    A morbid tradition
                    Of archaic value systems
                    Where violence justified
                    Is just another pride
                    Under the surface lies
                    A holy plastic empire
                    With guarded golden fences
                    Where misfortune
                    Shelters decisions
                    A pain wrought from blood flowing green
                    The myth of protection
                    Is a sick fascination
                    A culture of violence is what you are feeding
                    Fear is an heirloom
                    And hate is contagious
                    A nation of sadists is what you are breeding
                    It's everywhere
                    It's everywhere that you see
                    But who decides
                    If you watch or turn the other cheek
                    And only in your mind
                    Is it your given right to be armed to the teeth
                    It's a common disease
                    The only immunity is to disarm
                    This holy plastic empire disease


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                    • Plan9
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by directfiesta
                      I want my sperms to have the same rights....
                      Wouldn't that make you a mass murderer on a scale the world has never seen everytime you rubbed one out?!

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                      • HS-Trixxxia
                        Confirmed User
                        • Mar 2002
                        • 2946

                        #12
                        So under this law, if a woman wants an abortion and her husband/boyfriend disagrees and she goes ahead with it:

                        1) Can she be accused of murder?
                        2) Is it her choice to keep it or to abort it?


                        Do the laws change if the baby will be born with a disease/handicap & the husband/boyfriend opposes the abortion?

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                        • KRL
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                          • Oct 2002
                          • 31429

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Plan9


                          Wouldn't that make you a mass murderer on a scale the world has never seen everytime you rubbed one out?!
                          Average number of sperm cells in the ejaculate of a healthy man: 200 to 600 million

                          Its hard to imagine one load has more sperm than the entire US population.

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                          • buddyjuf

                            #14
                            very interesting! I wonder how this will turn out on such projects as cloning and abortion

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                            • Nysus
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                              • Aug 2001
                              • 7817

                              #15
                              What if the fetus doesn't want to be a fetus? It didn't have a choice in the first place ... That just opens up waaaayy too many open ends...

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                              • KRL
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                                • Oct 2002
                                • 31429

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Trixxxia
                                So under this law, if a woman wants an abortion and her husband/boyfriend disagrees and she goes ahead with it:

                                1) Can she be accused of murder?
                                2) Is it her choice to keep it or to abort it?


                                Do the laws change if the baby will be born with a disease/handicap & the husband/boyfriend opposes the abortion?
                                They put a clause Excluding legal abortion. It was primarily designed for violence cases where a criminal kills or injures a pregnant woman, like in the Laci Peterson case. However pro choice groups say this is the next step to eventually overturning Roe v. Wade and making an abortion a crime.
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                                • slackologist
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by KRL


                                  Average number of sperm cells in the ejaculate of a healthy man: 200 to 600 million

                                  Its hard to imagine one load has more sperm than the entire US population.

                                  we're definatley not 'efficient'.. I guess we evolved from something that squirted out 200+ million sperm and 50% of them fertilised eggs.

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                                  • DavePlays
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                                    • Jan 2003
                                    • 1088

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Trixxxia
                                    So under this law, if a woman wants an abortion and her husband/boyfriend disagrees and she goes ahead with it:

                                    1) Can she be accused of murder?
                                    2) Is it her choice to keep it or to abort it?


                                    Do the laws change if the baby will be born with a disease/handicap & the husband/boyfriend opposes the abortion?

                                    Nothing could be farther from the truth. It has nothing to do with abortions.

                                    And your poor Bush haters better find a better cause than this one - you're just showing that again you haven't done your homework.

                                    Geeeze people - do a little research - watch the news a little bit.
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                                    • cherrylula
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                                      • Jan 2002
                                      • 15969

                                      #19
                                      I don't understand those republicans. In my neighborhood, they should be running prime time commercials for abortion, let alone want to outlaw it.

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                                      • slackologist
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                                        • Jul 2002
                                        • 2379

                                        #20
                                        whatever happens, lawyers look like the early winners here.

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                                        • nathan_f
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                                          • Sep 2003
                                          • 3983

                                          #21
                                          Come to canada, we have plenty of room. Just not in toronto please.. no room left there..

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                                          • crockett
                                            in a van by the river
                                            • May 2003
                                            • 76818

                                            #22
                                            great so now we will go back to the days of back alley abortions ...

                                            Go Bush you're a true hero ..

                                            wow what a great week this has been, First Tenn banns being gay... Then Georga bans female genitle pericings and now george bush will ban abortions... What a great week for our country.. Soon we'll all be singing in our local church's quire and be good little angles for the Reglious Reich..
                                            In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                            • tony299
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                                              • Aug 2002
                                              • 57021

                                              #23
                                              Things that can happen now, you have a fender bender with a pregnant woman. She gets so upset from the accident she loses the baby (Baby lose is very high in the first trimester). You are now on trial for man slaughter. You trip into a pregnant woman at the mall she falls loses the baby . You are on trial for man slaughter. You have a model at shoot you use toys on her ,she doesnt know she is pregnant . She loses the baby ,you are on trial for manslaughter. We are also not taking 7 months in big stomach ,this counts four weeks in. This is dangerious shit.

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                                              • DavePlays
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by crockett
                                                great so now we will go back to the days of back alley abortions ...

                                                Go Bush you're a true hero ..

                                                wow what a great week this has been, First Tenn banns being gay... Then Georga bans female genitle pericings and now george bush will ban abortions... What a great week for our country.. Soon we'll all be singing in our local church's quire and be good little angles for the Reglious Reich..

                                                I hate to repeat myself..... but

                                                Nothing could be farther from the truth. It has nothing to do with abortions.

                                                And your poor Bush haters better find a better cause than this one - you're just showing that again you haven't done your homework.

                                                Geeeze people - do a little research - watch the news a little bit.
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                                                • The Truth Hurts
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                                                  #25
                                                  good to see ingnorance and stupidity still running strong as ever on gfy.

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                                                  • Fletch XXX
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by DavePlays

                                                    Geeeze people - do a little research - watch the news a little bit.
                                                    yeah the NEWS is RESEARCH

                                                    people like you should be thrown to lions


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                                                    • DavePlays
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
                                                      good to see ingnorance and stupidity still running strong as ever on gfy.

                                                      Man you got that right....
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                                                      • Fletch XXX
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                                                        • Jan 2002
                                                        • 60840

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by DavePlays



                                                        Man you got that right....
                                                        no shit pot.

                                                        "Geeeze people - do a little research - watch the news a little bit."

                                                        wheres the kettle?

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                                                        • DavePlays
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Fletch XXX


                                                          yeah the NEWS is RESEARCH

                                                          people like you should be thrown to lions

                                                          Research - OR - watch watch some news - ANYTHING but jumping to conclusions and spouting off shit that has no basis in fact.

                                                          That better?
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                                                          • Fletch XXX
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by DavePlays


                                                            Research - OR - watch watch some news - ANYTHING but jumping to conclusions and spouting off shit that has no basis in fact.

                                                            That better?
                                                            ignorance doesnt "get better"


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                                                            • Illicit
                                                              wtf ?
                                                              • Dec 2003
                                                              • 11895

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by crockett


                                                              wow what a great week this has been, First Tenn banns being gay... Then Georga bans female genitle pericings and now george bush will ban abortions... What a great week for our country..
                                                              It is a great week for our country ! Its about time this shit gets adressed.

                                                              I hope this ends up getting rid of abortion. Fuck the sluts, let them become responsible for their actions.
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                                                              • The Truth Hurts
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                                                                • Nov 2002
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                                                                #32
                                                                Imagine you're a pregnant chick, walking down the street..
                                                                with full intention of having the the child inside you.

                                                                imagine a mugger comes up tries to grab your purse which you've got strapped on defensively, and you're inadvertently knocked to the ground landing stomach first, the mugger panics and flees but is later caught.

                                                                Imagine as a result of landing on your stomach, you end up having a miscarriage, losing the child you fully intended bringing into this world.

                                                                What would you want the mugger charged with?

                                                                Attempted robbery? Assault?

                                                                Didn't think so.

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                                                                • DavePlays
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                                  ignorance doesnt "get better"


                                                                  Fine - keep crying about this and abortion even though it has nothing to do it with, ignore the provisions put in protecting legal abortions, and continue to be uninformed.

                                                                  It had been known all day of the provision protecting legal abortion - why didn't you know that?


                                                                  And Bush makes the laws in Tenn. and GA. now too?

                                                                  my you are well informed aren't you?
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                                                                  • Lane
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                                                                    • Apr 2001
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Every single law Bush will sign will have a valid reasoning. But you can't see the big picture if you stand only 2 inches from it.

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                                                                    • crockett
                                                                      in a van by the river
                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                      • 76818

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by DavePlays



                                                                      I hate to repeat myself..... but

                                                                      Nothing could be farther from the truth. It has nothing to do with abortions.

                                                                      And your poor Bush haters better find a better cause than this one - you're just showing that again you haven't done your homework.

                                                                      Geeeze people - do a little research - watch the news a little bit.
                                                                      give me a freaking break.. Bush has ran on the promise of making abortions Illegal. You don't think this is a first step? You can sit there and tell me this won't be the first thing that happens as soon as this bill is passed into law? How hard do you think it will be to use this law as a way to stop abortions.

                                                                      I give it less than 6 months for the 1st case to hit the court rooms but I'm sure it will be sooner. After all if the law states that a embryo is a living person with rights, it would be hard to abort it with out saying it's murder now wouldn't.
                                                                      In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                      • Fletch XXX
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by DavePlays



                                                                        Fine - keep crying about this and abortion even though it has nothing to do it with, ignore the provisions put in protecting legal abortions, and continue to be uninformed.

                                                                        It had been known all day of the provision protecting legal abortion - why didn't you know that?


                                                                        And Bush makes the laws in Tenn. and GA. now too?

                                                                        my you are well informed aren't you?
                                                                        hey idiot, when did i say anything about this topic?

                                                                        i called you a fucking idiot for claiming to "watch news" as its research.

                                                                        im not arguing about abortion you fucking retard.

                                                                        i was simply calling you media based sheep.

                                                                        so fucking baaah baaah baah and run along.

                                                                        i dont care to argue with you.

                                                                        go watch tv dumb ass.

                                                                        you must have a degree by now watching TV.


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                                                                        • slackologist
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Lane
                                                                          Every single law Bush will sign will have a valid reasoning. But you can't see the big picture if you stand only 2 inches from it.
                                                                          True, but perhaps not everyone will agree with his 'valid reasoning'.

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                                                                          • evildick

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Plan9


                                                                            Wouldn't that make you a mass murderer on a scale the world has never seen everytime you rubbed one out?!
                                                                            Doesn't sound too far off of those strict Catholic families that don't believe in birth control. Every sperm is precious. So they all end up with about 10 kids.

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                                                                            • DavePlays
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Fletch XXX


                                                                              hey idiot, when did i say anything about this topic?

                                                                              i called you a fucking idiot for claiming to "watch news" as its research.

                                                                              im not arguing about abortion you fucking retard.

                                                                              i was simply calling you media based sheep.

                                                                              so fucking baaah baaah baah and run along.

                                                                              i dont care to argue with you.

                                                                              go watch tv dumb ass.

                                                                              you must have a degree by now watching TV.




                                                                              Do some research OR watch some new....

                                                                              I don't watch much TV myself - but I do try to keep up with what is going on. There are several ways to get news. I am not aware however of any degrees being offered in watching TV - must be somethere you have where you live.


                                                                              Thanks for your input, it has been invaluable.
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                                                                              • Fletch XXX
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by DavePlays




                                                                                Do some research OR watch some new....

                                                                                I don't watch much TV myself - but I do try to keep up with what is going on. There are several ways to get news. I am not aware however of any degrees being offered in watching TV - must be somethere you have where you live.


                                                                                Thanks for your input, it has been invaluable.
                                                                                blah blah blah, back track all you want, change your opinion.

                                                                                bottomline is your dumb ass relies on the news for knowledge.

                                                                                deny it all you want, reply all you want.

                                                                                just dont try to play it off simpleton (look it up kid)

                                                                                prove youre not an idiot and stop posting in this thread, i bet you cant. i stress, YOU CANNOT


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                                                                                • Living For Today
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  I hope this is fake

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                                                                                  • DavePlays
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Fletch XXX


                                                                                    blah blah blah, back track all you want, change your opinion.

                                                                                    bottomline is your dumb ass relies on the news for knowledge.

                                                                                    deny it all you want, reply all you want.

                                                                                    just dont try to play it off simpleton (look it up kid)

                                                                                    prove youre not an idiot and stop posting in this thread, i bet you cant. i stress, YOU CANNOT



                                                                                    This is like talking to a 9 year old....

                                                                                    Grow up and go find someone else to call your school yard names. The "news", be it print, radio or TV is where just about where all the events of the day are found - I guess you just make shit up as you go?

                                                                                    Go with play with the other children, the idiots and the retards and the other names you call people when you have nothing intelligent to say.
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                                                                                    • Fletch XXX
                                                                                      GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                                      • 60840

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by DavePlays

                                                                                      This is like talking to a 9 year old....
                                                                                      looks like i was right.

                                                                                      people like you are whats wrong with america. news fed cows.

                                                                                      turn on your cnn.

                                                                                      i wonder how many times i could get you to quote me if i use one liners.

                                                                                      lets see...

                                                                                      quote me...

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                                                                                      • The Truth Hurts
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                                                                                        • Nov 2002
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Fletch XXX



                                                                                        people like you are whats wrong with america.
                                                                                        actually it's people like you.
                                                                                        the fucking idiot, hypocritical, minority.

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                                                                                        • KRL
                                                                                          Entrepreneur
                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                          • 31429

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                          Things that can happen now, you have a fender bender with a pregnant woman. She gets so upset from the accident she loses the baby (Baby lose is very high in the first trimester). You are now on trial for man slaughter. You trip into a pregnant woman at the mall she falls loses the baby . You are on trial for man slaughter. You have a model at shoot you use toys on her ,she doesnt know she is pregnant . She loses the baby ,you are on trial for manslaughter. We are also not taking 7 months in big stomach ,this counts four weeks in. This is dangerious shit.
                                                                                          Indeed, this is serious shit if you do any kind of harm to a woman who is pregnant.

                                                                                          Let's say some guy gets into a fight with his girlfriend. He knocks her to the floor, she was just pregnant and miscarries. If the girl wants to really get this guy back, she can now have the guy prosecuted for manslaughter.

                                                                                          Be careful around pregnant women guys.
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                                                                                          • KRL
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Living For Today
                                                                                            I hope this is fake
                                                                                            No its not. It'll probably be the top news in all the headlines tomorrow.
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                                                                                            • The Truth Hurts
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                                                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                                                              • 15770

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by KRL



                                                                                              Be careful around pregnant women guys.

                                                                                              isn't that COMMON FUCKING LOGIC?

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                                                                                              • Fletch XXX
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                                                                                                • Jan 2002
                                                                                                • 60840

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by The Truth Hurts


                                                                                                actually it's people like you.
                                                                                                the fucking idiot, hypocritical, minority.
                                                                                                yeah yeah yeah.

                                                                                                im a hypocrit, how again?

                                                                                                because i called this guy an idiot for claiming "news is research"

                                                                                                yeah guy, whatever...


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                                                                                                • KRL
                                                                                                  Entrepreneur
                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                  • 31429

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by ajpiii


                                                                                                  It is a great week for our country ! Its about time this shit gets adressed.

                                                                                                  I hope this ends up getting rid of abortion. Fuck the sluts, let them become responsible for their actions.
                                                                                                  You're going to turn this into a long long thread with views like that.

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                                                                                                  • slackologist
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                                                                    • 2379

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by The Truth Hurts


                                                                                                    actually it's people like you.
                                                                                                    the fucking idiot, hypocritical, minority.
                                                                                                    Fletch is nothing like Bush though, so that can't work.

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