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  • SteveLightspeed
    Confirmed User
    • Jul 2001
    • 7940
    #1

    No trials and volume pricing???

    We are seriously considering eliminating 3 day trials. If a surfer wants a trial, he should just take a look at all our hosted galleries at http://www.barely19.com --- they know what they will get inside the members area.

    Also, now that we have 30 sites, we are experimenting with volume pricing -- with discounts given for joining more than one site, like this:

    1) 19.95 one site monthly ($20.00 each)
    2) 24.95 two sites monthly ($12.50 each)
    3) 29.95 three sites monthly ($10.00 each)
    4) 34.95 five sites monthly ($7.00 each)
    5) 39.95 10 sites monthly ($4.00 each)


    Please discuss, I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

    Steve Lightspeed
    Last edited by SteveLightspeed; 03-25-2004, 04:39 PM.
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    • fatal attraction
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      • Feb 2003
      • 6522
      #2
      Nice! Biggie size your porn!

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        • pornstar2pac
          Omaha Hi/Lo
          • Nov 2003
          • 17380
          #3
          just make them all $9.99 each a month.


          No breaks, no cuts, just $9,99 a month.
          Trump haters gonna hate. that's all they can do

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            • Paul -C-
              Confirmed User
              • Aug 2001
              • 1255
              #4
              It's an interesting idea!

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                • WiredGuy
                  Pounding Googlebot
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 34515
                  #5
                  I wouldn't eliminate a trial entirely since it does rather well on exits. Remember a surfer may have visited your site from one of your sites and has no idea about barely19. If anything, consider putting it as a last exit to entice the surfer but don't eliminate trials outright.

                  WG
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                    • zentz
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                      • Nov 2003
                      • 8062
                      #6
                      i agree that the idea is nice but...
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                        • SteveLightspeed
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                          • Jul 2001
                          • 7940
                          #7
                          Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                          just make them all $9.99 each a month.


                          No breaks, no cuts, just $9,99 a month.

                          Notice the average price would be $10/site -- but wouldn't you rather lock in 3 sales at once if you could?
                          Abra-cadabra!

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                            • Paparazzi
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                              • Mar 2002
                              • 3488
                              #8
                              Make it 29.95/month for access to ALL sites...members will stay forever
                              and keep the 3 day trial

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                                • JFK
                                  FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                                  • Jan 2002
                                  • 67369
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Lightspeed



                                  Notice the average price would be $10/site -- but wouldn't you rather lock in 3 sales at once if you could?
                                  Yup, getting that commitment would be a good thing

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                                    • SteveLightspeed
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                                      • Jul 2001
                                      • 7940
                                      #10
                                      Btw, I failed to mention that they could re-select their sites after each rebill, to add even more to the retention.
                                      Abra-cadabra!

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                                        • sweetums
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Feb 2003
                                          • 2534
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                          I wouldn't eliminate a trial entirely since it does rather well on exits. Remember a surfer may have visited your site from one of your sites and has no idea about barely19. If anything, consider putting it as a last exit to entice the surfer but don't eliminate trials outright.

                                          WG
                                          Very interesting idea....especially giving the member the ability to mix different sites into the bag at rebill

                                          However, WG's made a good point here. That join option may work best with traffic coming in via TGPs, but might not convert as well on other sources of traffic where surfers don't have the benefit of seeing the full line up via the hosted galleries.
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                                            • grumpy
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • Jan 2002
                                              • 9870
                                              #12
                                              i charge 49.99 a month. No prob, they still pay and my chargebacks whent down :-)
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                                                • VSBallina
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                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                  • 922
                                                  #13
                                                  Hmmm, it is a nice thought, Charles however does know what he is talking about so I would consider his thoughts too.

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                                                    • SteveLightspeed
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                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                      • 7940
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by sweetums


                                                      Very interesting idea....especially giving the member the ability to mix different sites into the bag at rebill

                                                      However, WG's made a good point here. That join option may work best with traffic coming in via TGPs, but might not convert as well on other sources of traffic where surfers don't have the benefit of seeing the full line up via the hosted galleries.

                                                      so we mention on the join page, "need to see more samples before deciding?" and send them over to barely19
                                                      Abra-cadabra!

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                                                        • JFK
                                                          FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                          • 67369
                                                          #15
                                                          Will you be having this on the join page as well ?

                                                          1) 19.95 one site monthly ($20.00 each)
                                                          2) 24.95 two sites monthly ($12.50 each)
                                                          3) 29.95 three sites monthly ($10.00 each)
                                                          4) 34.95 five sites monthly ($7.00 each)
                                                          5) 39.95 10 sites monthly ($4.00 each)


                                                          perhaps insert "for Only" $ 12.50 each make is sound more like a bargain

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                                                            • SteveLightspeed
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                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                              • 7940
                                                              #16
                                                              of course, just like Costco makes you think its a great idea to buy five gallons of vegetable oil, or 200 pounds of dogfood, or 50 rolls of toilet paper....
                                                              Abra-cadabra!

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                                                                • baddog
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                  • 107089
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Paparazzi
                                                                  Make it 29.95/month for access to ALL sites...members will stay forever
                                                                  and keep the 3 day trial
                                                                  that was my thought too

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                                                                    • SteveLightspeed
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                      • 7940
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by baddog


                                                                      that was my thought too

                                                                      My problem with trials is people come back time and time again, just for the most recent updates.

                                                                      I'd love to say "sorry buddy, you HAD a trial!"
                                                                      Abra-cadabra!

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                                                                        • Nobody Specific
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                          • 319
                                                                          #19
                                                                          I think those prices are reasonable for amateur sites. On our own sites, we used to not offer trials at all. Catch em for a full month and they should stay to see the next update, am sites have a lot more personality than others.

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                                                                            • Oracle Porn
                                                                              Affiliate
                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                              • 24433
                                                                              #20
                                                                              no trials on revshare programs is the best!
                                                                              40 bux for 10 sites is kinda expensive for my opinion....

                                                                              ohh and trials should only be on exit....if he is not interested atleast I can make $2 from him via trial.


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                                                                                • SteveLightspeed
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                  • 7940
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Oracle Porn
                                                                                  no trials on revshare programs is the best!
                                                                                  40 bux for 10 sites is kinda expensive for my opinion....

                                                                                  ohh and trials should only be on exit....if he is not interested atleast I can make $2 from him via trial.

                                                                                  If $40 is too expensive, that's where the other price points might pick up some extra sales, right? I think that volume pricing is something that most average consumers understand pretty well.
                                                                                  Last edited by SteveLightspeed; 03-25-2004, 05:50 PM.
                                                                                  Abra-cadabra!

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                                                                                    • baddog
                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                                      • 107089
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Lightspeed



                                                                                      My problem with trials is people come back time and time again, just for the most recent updates.

                                                                                      I'd love to say "sorry buddy, you HAD a trial!"
                                                                                      you can't track their CC number? IP? I know I can't even do test signups with SPP because they know my CC number.

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                                                                                        • Ray@TastyDollars
                                                                                          www.TastyDollars.com
                                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                                          • 6797
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Give trial members limited access. Conversions to full will go up min. 10%.

                                                                                          peace

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                                                                                            • SteveLightspeed
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                              • 7940
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by baddog


                                                                                              you can't track their CC number? IP? I know I can't even do test signups with SPP because they know my CC number.

                                                                                              3rd party billers don't pass thru the cc number to anyone
                                                                                              Abra-cadabra!

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                                                                                                • Axeman
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                                                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                                                  • 5201
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Lightspeed



                                                                                                  My problem with trials is people come back time and time again, just for the most recent updates.

                                                                                                  I'd love to say "sorry buddy, you HAD a trial!"

                                                                                                  See that would be ideal. Have a script or something that basically says we are glad to you as a member but our records indicate that you already took advantage of our trial membership. As per our terms we allow one trial per site per person. Or something like that. Or offer them a monthly rate at a return visitor discount or something.

                                                                                                  The logistics of this would be tricky but could be great.

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                                                                                                    • studio
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                                                                      • 1095
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Hi,

                                                                                                      I would agree with shit canning the trials... As for the lowering of pricing.... Call it what you want... But it comes down to lowering prices... I feel that only say one thing to the consumers, Hay this is what our product is worth! If I was looking to join a paysite, I wouldn't join one offering a big discount like that. If I was going to take that step up to paying for porn, I would opt for a site that offered exclusive content and a lot of up dates. IMHO all these kind of Deals will only push the paysite end of the industry into the same boat the content providers got them selfs into by cutting prices... Is there knowone in this business that wants to make money?

                                                                                                      Denny,

                                                                                                      http://www.pineapplepink.com

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                                                                                                        • Jay_StandAhead
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                                                                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                                                                          • 3103
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          I like this idea. In the long run it would probably make your webmasters more money.

                                                                                                          If you had a 60% trial conversion ratio, that'd be another story

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                                                                                                            • Jay_StandAhead
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                                                                                                              • Jul 2002
                                                                                                              • 3103
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Axeman



                                                                                                              See that would be ideal. Have a script or something that basically says we are glad to you as a member but our records indicate that you already took advantage of our trial membership. As per our terms we allow one trial per site per person. Or something like that. Or offer them a monthly rate at a return visitor discount or something.

                                                                                                              The logistics of this would be tricky but could be great.

                                                                                                              - Brent Axford
                                                                                                              It's actually ridiculously easy to do.

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                                                                                                                • maxjohan
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                                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                  • 7219
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Paparazzi
                                                                                                                  Make it 29.95/month for access to ALL sites...members will stay forever
                                                                                                                  and keep the 3 day trial
                                                                                                                  you forgot one thing... weekly updates
                                                                                                                  I went from 100 to 313,000 satoshis in 2 days! Lots of daily freerolls...

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                                                                                                                    • Paparazzi
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                      • 3488
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Ray
                                                                                                                      Give trial members limited access. Conversions to full will go up min. 10%.

                                                                                                                      peace
                                                                                                                      BAD idea. This will just piss them off and cancel right away...

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                                                                                                                        • TheDoc
                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                          • 13827
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          The idea is nice, and it may work.. I would try it on a lesser site for a short while and see if it works out though.
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                                                                                                                            • TheDoc
                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                              • 13827
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Paparazzi
                                                                                                                              BAD idea. This will just piss them off and cancel right away...
                                                                                                                              Na, it makes conversions go up 10% at least and saves you on bw cost of leaching trial members.
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                                                                                                                                • studio
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                  • 1095
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Hay I know...


                                                                                                                                  Make the regular subscription 3 months at 59.95 and the One month trial sub. 29.95

                                                                                                                                  No that is an Idea...

                                                                                                                                  denny,

                                                                                                                                  http://www.pineapplepink.com

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                                                                                                                                    • NatNetMatt
                                                                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 55
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                                                                                      I wouldn't eliminate a trial entirely since it does rather well on exits. Remember a surfer may have visited your site from one of your sites and has no idea about barely19. If anything, consider putting it as a last exit to entice the surfer but don't eliminate trials outright.

                                                                                                                                      WG

                                                                                                                                      WG, I think you've hit the nail on the head!! Steve, I agree with Charles, keep the trials on the exits.

                                                                                                                                      As for volume pricing, I think the Costco example works, give value to the masses!! Its a great way to turn a $29 sale into a $39 sale.

                                                                                                                                      Steve, this is an excellent, thought provoking thread and makes people stop and think through a big issue in today's biz.

                                                                                                                                      Matt

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                                                                                                                                        • pornoshare
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                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 237
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Lightspeed



                                                                                                                                          3rd party billers don't pass thru the cc number to anyone
                                                                                                                                          Its really not that difficult at all, you have numerous other info available to track them on. cookies, email, address, phone etc. You will find that most people surf from the same machine and are too dumb to delete their cookies ever. If they get past that you can test them on email address, address, phone etc. Obviously this can be defeated but the number of people that actually go to the effort will be very few.

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                                                                                                                                            • TweetyBird
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                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                              • 8532
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Paparazzi
                                                                                                                                              Make it 29.95/month for access to ALL sites...members will stay forever
                                                                                                                                              and keep the 3 day trial
                                                                                                                                              yep
                                                                                                                                              sig for sale.
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                                                                                                                                                • angelsofporn
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                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 3218
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  we killed trials a couple weeks ago and it was the best thing i ever did

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                                                                                                                                                    • Paparazzi
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                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                      • 3488
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      I once saw a really hot girl and I wanted to see more of her so I decided to take a trial on the site. Didn't get to see her because of that bullshit limited accesss... Just got pissed off and canceled the trial within 5min.

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                                                                                                                                                        • studio
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                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                          • 1095
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          No trials on Pineapplepink we know what our girls are worth...

                                                                                                                                                          Denny,


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                                                                                                                                                            • Nobody Specific
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                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                              • 319
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              I'm pretty sure Jettis blocks people after they buy trials. Not sure how long, 30 days, 60 days?

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                                                                                                                                                                • Paparazzi
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                                  • 3488
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Paparazzi
                                                                                                                                                                  Make it 29.95/month for access to ALL sites...members will stay forever
                                                                                                                                                                  and keep the 3 day trial
                                                                                                                                                                  just a clarification, the trial would be on the exit from the signup form and NOT on the actual signup page

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Kimmykim
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                      • 16015
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Marketed right to the surfers, I like the idea.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • angelsofporn
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                                          • 3218
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          we are actually raising our prices..not the other way

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                                                                                                                                                                            • studio
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                                              • 1095
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Hi Angels of Porn...

                                                                                                                                                                              Refreshing to see some still have a business sence, instead of a Santa suit....

                                                                                                                                                                              Denny

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                                                                                                                                                                                • SteveLightspeed
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 7940
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by angelsofporn
                                                                                                                                                                                  we are actually raising our prices..not the other way
                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't see this as "lowering prices" -- we already offer 5 sites for 34.95 and 10 sites for 39.95

                                                                                                                                                                                  This would just give more options to the cost-conscious surfer

                                                                                                                                                                                  The less expensive options are effectively RAISING the prices per site
                                                                                                                                                                                  Abra-cadabra!

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Sly_RJ
                                                                                                                                                                                      Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 17042
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      I would still like to see what happens with trials on an exit from the join page, but other than that I'm very happy that we don't offer trials. The affiliates asked, we answered, and they were right.
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • SteveLightspeed
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 7940
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                                                                                                                                          I would still like to see what happens with trials on an exit from the join page, but other than that I'm very happy that we don't offer trials. The affiliates asked, we answered, and they were right.
                                                                                                                                                                                          when we moved trials from the main join page to a popup, we saw a 40% increase in revenue overnight.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Abra-cadabra!

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Sly_RJ
                                                                                                                                                                                              Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 17042
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Lightspeed


                                                                                                                                                                                              when we moved trials from the main join page to a popup, we saw a 40% increase in revenue overnight.
                                                                                                                                                                                              No shit? I'm going to set it up on one of my test tours and see how it goes. Now I'm really curious.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • SteveLightspeed
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 7940
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                  No shit? I'm going to set it up on one of my test tours and see how it goes. Now I'm really curious.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Just make sure not to show the trial AFTER he takes the full join, or you get some PISSED OFF surfers!
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Abra-cadabra!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • nastyking
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 2174
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      trials on exist

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