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  • Nysus
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2001
    • 7817

    #1

    Violence should be deemed indecent

    Why is there not a large movement to make violence or simulated violence (ex: people being shot but no blood) deemed indecent or even maybe obscene? Let me take it to another extreme; rape or simulated rape. Rape is violence, violence for a power trip, non the less violent - but still as horrible as someone being murdered, of course we have all been decencitized to death by murder, but do you feel that's a good thing?

    Why do people feel it's okay to potentially fuel anger and violent behaviour? And it does, people learn through behaviour of others and can act according to what they see on a daily basis (to the small degree of raising your voice when in an argument with someone, to hitting them, to killing them). An outside example, when McDonald's raised their advertising budget by 25%, guess what, their sales went up 25%. Just trying to show disbelievers the corralation between what we see and how that affects our actions.

    You may think that is a stretch to compare the two, but it's not, they're both behaviours. What are your thoughts, if any?

    And just for fun -

    Hope to hear from you all.

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  • Sly_RJ
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    • Feb 2002
    • 17042

    #2
    Violence is fun.
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    • Nysus
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      • Aug 2001
      • 7817

      #3
      Originally posted by Sly_RJ
      Violence is fun.
      *beats you with a rock, but no blood gushing or shown*

      You'd really enjoy that?

      Cheers,
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      • Repetitive Monkey
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        • Feb 2004
        • 3505

        #4
        Nature is violent. Animals are violent. The human species is an animal. Violence is an important factor of survival. Deduce at will.

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        • Sly_RJ
          Live Hard - Die Hard
          • Feb 2002
          • 17042

          #5
          Originally posted by Nysus


          *beats you with a rock, but no blood gushing or shown*

          You'd really enjoy that?

          Cheers,
          Matt
          Only if the blood gushes.
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          • BiggleJones
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            • Dec 2002
            • 2276

            #6
            Are you talking about Porn or in everyday media? Because in porn it is already ruled indecent.

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            • Nysus
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              • Aug 2001
              • 7817

              #7
              Originally posted by BiggleJones
              Are you talking about Porn or in everyday media? Because in porn it is already ruled indecent.
              In everyday media. And that's fucked up isn't it? It's illegal because there are nude models performing sexually acts, so violence isn't okay -- but when it's not porn, it's okay?

              Does anyone feel we need to start putting pressure on eliminating violence from the general media? Movies are fine because you can stop children from watching movies - parents SHOULD control what their children watch, though many don't care and many don't have time.

              If there were more people voicing out how violence isn't wanted in the media then maybe they'd get off of pornographies back a little bit. No?

              Nature is violent. Animals are violent. The human species is an animal. Violence is an important factor of survival. Deduce at will."
              20000 years ago sure, but we are supposed to be a civilized species. Do you need to rape women in order to spread your genes? That is merely a statement point - of course the answer is no, so your "nature is violent" really isn't valid anymores. Yes, we have natural animal instincts, though as we are civilized most of them are now are no longer needed.

              Cheers,
              Matt
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              • KRL
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                • Oct 2002
                • 31429

                #8
                It's pretty amazing when you think about. Showing someone making love on TV people have a problem with it, but showing murders, shooting, beatings, and all the other crap you see no puts up the same level of protest.

                I guess its cause violence sells so big. Pay-Per-View Boxing proves that point.
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                • zentz
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                  • Nov 2003
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                  #9
                  less violence less money for someone
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                  • $5 submissions
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                    • Nov 2003
                    • 32189

                    #10
                    Good post, Matt.

                    Unfortunately, in today's media, storytelling is a dying art. People would rather throw in violence to "move the story" along rather than develop characters. Emotional/Ideological/Intellectual sparring is indeed a dying media event.

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                    • Nysus
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                      • Aug 2001
                      • 7817

                      #11
                      Originally posted by KRL
                      It's pretty amazing when you think about. Showing someone making love on TV people have a problem with it, but showing murders, shooting, beatings, and all the other crap you see no puts up the same level of protest.

                      I guess its cause violence sells so big. Pay-Per-View Boxing proves that point.
                      Wouldn't you think sex sells better though? That's how the internet was funded and grew so rapidly and so large. Or it there the hypocracy that because it's okay for a child to see violence (from a slap, to murder) because there's no nudity? Does anyone know where in history this stems from? It's pretty reverse - the world would be much better if all the violence on TV was converted to love, and for adults/mature audiences; sex.

                      Cheers,
                      Matt
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                      • Nysus
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                        • Aug 2001
                        • 7817

                        #12
                        Originally posted by zentz
                        less violence less money for someone
                        Of course, but it's saturated now - same ideas as free porn, it's all people try to look for but only the quality stuff is seen. So now I guess the latest and greatest form of violence has been terrorism and the hunt for certain individuals.

                        If violence on tv is eliminated / ban don't you think everyone would be more peaceful?

                        Cheers,
                        Matt
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                        • Rorschach
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                          • Aug 2002
                          • 5579

                          #13
                          Violence sells! Americans thrive on violence.

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                          • Nysus
                            Confirmed User
                            • Aug 2001
                            • 7817

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Rorschach
                            Violence sells! Americans thrive on violence.
                            So does sex, but the population would become much more productive, much more healthy, and much more peaceful if violence was eliminated or lowered in media. Agree or disagree?

                            Cheers,
                            Matt
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                            • TheJimmy
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                              • Jan 2001
                              • 10747

                              #15
                              Originally posted by KRL
                              It's pretty amazing when you think about. Showing someone making love on TV people have a problem with it, but showing murders, shooting, beatings, and all the other crap you see no puts up the same level of protest.

                              I guess its cause violence sells so big. Pay-Per-View Boxing proves that point.


                              I've had this dicussion with a few people and they never seem to get my argument against the 'simulated snuff' films that they love to defend so dearly...


                              don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fight fan, love some blow-em-up movies, etc...but I figure if adults are allowed to watch these simulated mass murder flicks, then some good porn should be on the same "OK" level....
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                              • TweetyBird
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                                • Feb 2004
                                • 8532

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                Violence is fun.
                                uh ?
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                                • Nysus
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Aug 2001
                                  • 7817

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by TheJimmy




                                  I've had this dicussion with a few people and they never seem to get my argument against the 'simulated snuff' films that they love to defend so dearly...


                                  don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fight fan, love some blow-em-up movies, etc...but I figure if adults are allowed to watch these simulated mass murder flicks, then some good porn should be on the same "OK" level....
                                  Agreed to the "OK" level, of course then people throw into the argument of what happened this past week which is a horrible horrible thing, and absolutely disgusting and I hope whoever was involved in this gets more than they deserve, but people die every day and are killed every day (sadly). 20,000 people die of starvation every day. Imagine how depressed everyone could be if all you had to watch were about dying children and families from starving knowing that there's enough food in the world to feed everyone, just not the distribution and combination of greed which is stopping them from getting it. I bet people would actually become much more active and pressure governments to get these people the food they need. The world can be such a better place, people just need to stop being pumped full of negativity and violence/anger.

                                  Cheers,
                                  Matt
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                                  • mardigras
                                    Bon temps!
                                    • Feb 2003
                                    • 14194

                                    #18
                                    No I don't think there should be pressure to eliminate it. Instead of trying to put pressure on TV stations or movie studios, put pressure on people around you to not patroniize them. No money, nobody's filming. But if you just insist we need to start censoring, lets start with the religious programming. If it doesn't stick exactly with scriptures it should be tossed out, potential to stop a lot of violence right there if it became the world norm
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                                    • rickholio
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jan 2004
                                      • 1914

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Nysus


                                      20000 years ago sure, but we are supposed to be a civilized species. Do you need to rape women in order to spread your genes? That is merely a statement point - of course the answer is no, so your "nature is violent" really isn't valid anymores. Yes, we have natural animal instincts, though as we are civilized most of them are now are no longer needed.

                                      Cheers,
                                      Matt
                                      Civilization is a thin veneer over our true natures, a barely tolerated 'Big Lie' that we all buy into because it seems to work, for the time being by providing a framework for the population to get what it needs (food, clothing, shelter, and other needs higher on the pyramid). Should that framework start to collapse, you'd see how quickly civilization does too.

                                      Our thirst for violence is endemic to our nature. We may try to supress it, but it will always be with us.

                                      "The thin and precarious crust of decency is all that separates any civilization, however impressive, from the hell of anarchy or systematic tyranny which lie in wait beneath the surface ." - Huxley
                                      ~

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                                      • reynold
                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 51271

                                        #20
                                        any kind of violence should be categorized as indecent.

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                                        • rickholio
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jan 2004
                                          • 1914

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Nysus


                                          So does sex, but the population would become much more productive, much more healthy, and much more peaceful if violence was eliminated or lowered in media. Agree or disagree?
                                          It'd probably be more healthy and peaceful, but nothing can motivate a person to more extremes of performance than hate (violence is typically the physical embodiment thereof).
                                          ~

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                                          • Mr.Fiction
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                                            • Feb 2002
                                            • 9484

                                            #22
                                            Supposed fanatic right wing "Christians" are the most likely to support war.

                                            Does it make any sense?
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                                            • MarkTiarra
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                                              • Aug 2002
                                              • 3833

                                              #23
                                              I can't tell ya' how many times I've gotten up on a soap box and asked people why it's viewed as obscene to say carress a woman's breast on TV but if she takes a bullet there it's just normal prime time entertainment. So causing pain and harm is good ol' fun and causing pleasure is horrible? How fucked up is that?!

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                                              • the67
                                                Registered User
                                                • Mar 2004
                                                • 12

                                                #24
                                                hello all, I haven't posted on here for about 2 years..so a big go fuck yourself.. I think this topic is very interesting, all these people in our country get so upset over seeing a boob when violence is all over tv..this whole FCC thing got started when JJ showed her covered breast on a football game..last time I saw a football game it was pretty violent....
                                                I think the question has to be posed to the government and to the religous sector...to explain why exactly a breast is indecent?
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                                                • quiet
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                                                  • Sep 2001
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                                                  #25
                                                  on que, time to shut down hollywood.
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                                                  • Edguy!
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                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                    • 1126

                                                    #26
                                                    Simulated Violence = OK
                                                    Porn = OK
                                                    Violent Porn = Not OK
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