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  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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    • Mar 2003
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    #1

    Design requests

    Why the fuck do people looking for a designer and putting details about the job put everything but what they are willing to pay for a fucken design job?

    Look...

    I am pretty tired of detailed job requests that outline a job pretty well but WHY THE FUCK not just put down what you are willing to pay for the job?

    Seriously it would be in your best fucken interest as to put down a design request for X amount of dollars. That will inspire designers to jump in and say they will do it for X price and then another may come along and do it for less.

    Whats the matter with you "Marketing" guru's and sharp thinking business folk?

    From another perspective its like the classified ad's for a fucking job where the company puts down tons of details about what is expected, virtually everything under the fucken sun then when ya get on the phone they are like, "Oh the job is awesome hows 35K a year starting sound?"

    Just once I would like to say...
    "What do you mean, how does 35K sound? Sounds like fucken shit! Your telling me that ya want all that crap for fucken bread crumbs! Eat a dick!"
    Click.
    Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 03-25-2004, 01:13 PM.
  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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    #2
    What?
    This topic to hot?

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    • kalen
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      • Feb 2004
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      #3
      < -- Agrees
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      • Roald
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        • May 2001
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        #4
        Can I order 2 empty alienware cases (area 51) from you? I realy love the looks of those but I don't think I can get them over here.


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        • Roald
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          #5
          Btw your idea would be good for the clients, not for the designers


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          • The Truth Hurts
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            • Nov 2002
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            #6
            be thankful your getting detailed specs... instead of having to guess what they want every time.

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            • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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              #7
              Originally posted by QuaShe
              Can I order 2 empty alienware cases (area 51) from you? I realy love the looks of those but I don't think I can get them over here.
              Actually...
              I am putting a little somthing together and negotiating with AlienWare on some things that will work as a promotion

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              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                • Mar 2003
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                #8
                Please note todays word is
                "Fuck" "Fucken" and "Fucker" thanks

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                • Roald
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                  • May 2001
                  • 27910

                  #9
                  Originally posted by AlienQ


                  Actually...
                  I am putting a little somthing together and negotiating with AlienWare on some things that will work as a promotion
                  Hit me up when you guys decide to ship those cases. 123891112


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                  • Steve
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                    • Feb 2001
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                    #10
                    good points

                    LOL @ the want ad phone call

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                    • Brujah
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                      • Jan 2001
                      • 22157

                      #11
                      I'll bite.

                      Why do some designers cry so much ? You're providing the service. Tell the client what it will cost. How the hell is he supposed to know ? He isn't the designer. He doesn't know how long it will take or what your typical hourly rate or job rate is. Marketing has nothing to do with a designers pay rate. As the designer, shouldn't you have a much better idea what it would cost for your time based on his detailed specs ?

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                      • PiksalDesign
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                        • Mar 2003
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Brujah
                        I'll bite.

                        Why do some designers cry so much ? You're providing the service. Tell the client what it will cost. How the hell is he supposed to know ? He isn't the designer. He doesn't know how long it will take or what your typical hourly rate or job rate is. Marketing has nothing to do with a designers pay rate. As the designer, shouldn't you have a much better idea what it would cost for your time based on his detailed specs ?
                        Exactly.
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                        • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                          #13
                          The problem with people these days is that they think everything is a service.

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                          • Fletch XXX
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                            #14
                            because no matter what they are going to try and get you to go the lowest, simple as that.

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                            • PiksalDesign
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                              because no matter what they are going to try and get you to go the lowest, simple as that.
                              Originally posted by AlienQ
                              The problem with people these days is that they think everything is a service.
                              Good way to put it.

                              The best way to go now days is partner up with someone that will keep you busy for fair prices. So many designers try to gather clients with thier low prices, rather than with thier designs, and thats when they get trampled on.
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                              • Brujah
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                                #16
                                Alien, if it isn't a service.. what is it ?

                                Fletch, we all make these decisions in life in almost everything we do. We choose to shop at a certain grocery store or buy a certain beer or car and price has a lot to do with making that decision. No one wants to pay more than necessary for anything. No one says "Damn this beer is good, I'm going to give you $10 even though you were only asking $5."

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                                • Fletch XXX
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Brujah
                                  Alien, if it isn't a service.. what is it ?

                                  Fletch, we all make these decisions in life in almost everything we do. We choose to shop at a certain grocery store or buy a certain beer or car and price has a lot to do with making that decision. No one wants to pay more than necessary for anything. No one says "Damn this beer is good, I'm going to give you $10 even though you were only asking $5."
                                  and ive ALWAYS ran my prices like a good dive bar!

                                  heheh




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                                  • Brujah
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by PiksalDesign


                                    Good way to put it.

                                    The best way to go now days is partner up with someone that will keep you busy for fair prices. So many designers try to gather clients with thier low prices, rather than with thier designs, and thats when they get trampled on.
                                    True, but there are so many more designers than there are profitable clients to partner up with. If a company has enough work to keep a designer busy, they can hire one in-house. This isn't always the case. Many designers can make a lot more money by taking on numerous clients than they would if they were exclusive to one company.

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                                    • PiksalDesign
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                                      • Mar 2003
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                                      #19
                                      Ive had people pay more than what ive asked.

                                      But your right, price has about 60% to do with the decision.
                                      20% the design, and 20% they way the person presents themselves. Sound about right?
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                                      • PiksalDesign
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Brujah


                                        True, but there are so many more designers than there are profitable clients to partner up with. If a company has enough work to keep a designer busy, they can hire one in-house. This isn't always the case. Many designers can make a lot more money by taking on numerous clients than they would if they were exclusive to one company.
                                        Thats true.

                                        My point was more steady work and fairness of price.

                                        When you going after many other clients and not staying in touch.
                                        You money becomes feats and famine. You may make 1200 form one client 1 month, and only 200 from another, another month. Its obviously not so true for design companies, but for the single designers, they will say the same if they too are under the same circumstances.
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                                        • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                          #21
                                          So back to the point.

                                          If a company said what they need and said the deal is for 500.00 bucks...

                                          What do you think would happen on an open forum?

                                          The price will go down.
                                          There is a fear about saying how much a business is willing to pay when if they were up front about what they are willing to pay they will more than likely pay less than they are asking as a bid process will begin!

                                          So why the fuck not just be upfront?

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                                          • PiksalDesign
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by AlienQ
                                            So back to the point.

                                            If a company said what they need and said the deal is for 500.00 bucks...

                                            What do you think would happen on an open forum?

                                            The price will go down.
                                            There is a fear about saying how much a business is willing to pay when if they were up front about what they are willing to pay they will more than likely pay less than they are asking as a bid process will begin!

                                            So why the fuck not just be upfront?
                                            True. But thats also a window to take exactly that much from them.
                                            Client: "We're willing to pay 400. How much do you think it will be?"

                                            Designer: "$400.00"
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                                            • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by PiksalDesign


                                              True. But thats also a window to take exactly that much from them.
                                              Client: "We're willing to pay 400. How much do you think it will be?"

                                              Designer: "$400.00"
                                              Then the next post would theoretically be as follows...

                                              I will do it for 350.00

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                                              • PiksalDesign
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by AlienQ


                                                Then the next post would theoretically be as follows...

                                                I will do it for 350.00
                                                Your right, on an open board it would.

                                                That would get the client a assload of people to
                                                choose from and know thier prices up front instead of
                                                wading through emails, icq's and posts.
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                                                • Ironhorse
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by AlienQ


                                                  Then the next post would theoretically be as follows...

                                                  I will do it for 350.00
                                                  There is alot of behind the scenes bidding and counter-bidding, we all have price pages that clearly state our prices, I'm not sure why you think this bidding has to happen in public, especially when you mention that this would work against the designer??

                                                  As a designer I will not post in public a price lower than my price page, even though I give generous breaks often, then what's the point of a price page?
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                                                  • Brujah
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                    So back to the point.

                                                    If a company said what they need and said the deal is for 500.00 bucks...

                                                    What do you think would happen on an open forum?

                                                    The price will go down.
                                                    There is a fear about saying how much a business is willing to pay when if they were up front about what they are willing to pay they will more than likely pay less than they are asking as a bid process will begin!

                                                    So why the fuck not just be upfront?
                                                    Back to the point ? Why ignore my comments ? I answered this, but you're avoiding it.

                                                    As the designer, *you* know more than the typical client would about what it would cost and how long it would take. Don't mistake fear for the client just having NO IDEA how long it will take or what it would/should cost.

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                                                    • XxXotic
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                      The problem with people these days is that they think everything is a service.
                                                      design is a service, doesnt matter what way you look at it, you're providing a service to people who need it... whats the problem?
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                                                      • slackologist
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Brujah

                                                        As the designer, *you* know more than the typical client would about what it would cost and how long it would take.
                                                        Exactly.

                                                        I think it's up to the designer to offer an initial price having been given the specs ( unless the designer is a; trying to get the maximum amount of $ from a client for the job, or b; providing work of higher or lower quality -within a framework of provided specs- depending on how much the client pays).

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                                                        • zentz
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by XxXotic
                                                          design is a service, doesnt matter what way you look at it, you're providing a service to people who need it... whats the problem?
                                                          there is no problem
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                                                          • bhutocracy
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                                                            #30
                                                            Hey Piksal, fix your sig up and use a 120x60 button like everyone else has to.

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                                                            • PiksalDesign
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                                                              • Mar 2003
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by bhutocracy
                                                              Hey Piksal, fix your sig up and use a 120x60 button like everyone else has to.
                                                              yours is 240x60

                                                              did i miss somethin?
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                                                              • Fletch XXX
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                                                                • Jan 2002
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by PiksalDesign


                                                                did i miss somethin?
                                                                yeah you missed something.... your sig is too big guy.

                                                                change it or its gonna get changed for you by the powrs that be.

                                                                Bhutocs sig is an allowed sponsors since they PAY TO advertise here... and can fly slightly larger graphics... you do not ;)

                                                                hahah

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                                                                • Sly_RJ
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  For specialty items I hate making price "offers". How in the hell do I know what your time is worth to you? Give me a quote, if I think your product and/or service is worth that I'll cut you a check. If I don't, I'll take business elsewhere.

                                                                  Simple as that.

                                                                  I wouldn't dare make an "offer" to you or Fletch or even Amp for that matter. I don't want to insult your skills.
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                                                                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Brujah


                                                                    Back to the point ? Why ignore my comments ? I answered this, but you're avoiding it.

                                                                    As the designer, *you* know more than the typical client would about what it would cost and how long it would take. Don't mistake fear for the client just having NO IDEA how long it will take or what it would/should cost.
                                                                    When talking to a client I already know that just by talking to them they are willing to spend X amount of dollars for a project.
                                                                    They keep that X amount dollars unknown when in all actuality they oughtah be upfront about it. Declaring a budget attracts business by nature.

                                                                    The typical client knows what they are willing to spend and generally nothing else matters except the time for which it takes from start to finish.

                                                                    If they bid to low the business would get alot more info about why there bid is to low plus I can not imagine many designers not willing to make a post stating the reasons why a price might be to low or why they might under bid the stated price if its a cake walk.


                                                                    Thus why I didnt really answer ya questions bro

                                                                    Also...
                                                                    Assuming that the designer knows more than the client during discussions is usually takin with insult.
                                                                    Assume that a designers knowledge no better than a business's knowledge its just not condusive to respect no matter how ya look at it.

                                                                    Generally its not my job to educate a business and if it is I charge accordingly for that as well and outright say so.

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                                                                    • bhutocracy
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by PiksalDesign


                                                                      yours is 240x60

                                                                      did i miss somethin?
                                                                      yes I pay $500 a month to be a sponsor here and to be able to have a 240x60 banner, and newbs like you that don't understand how it works around here devalue the money i pay.

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                                                                      • PiksalDesign
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Fletch XXX


                                                                        yeah you missed something.... your sig is too big guy.

                                                                        change it or its gonna get changed for you by the powrs that be.

                                                                        Bhutocs sig is an allowed sponsors since they PAY TO advertise here... and can fly slightly larger graphics... you do not ;)

                                                                        hahah
                                                                        I see.
                                                                        but was the hahah neccessary?

                                                                        Im a noob just like everyone else has been.
                                                                        I think you have beef with me because im another designer.
                                                                        I havent done anything to make you mad have I ?
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                                                                        • blueboy
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          I'll start the bidding...ONE MILLION DOLLARS.
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                                                                          • PiksalDesign
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by blueboy
                                                                            I'll start the bidding...ONE MILLION DOLLARS.
                                                                            huh?
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                                                                            • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              I know it is sig season but please LOL
                                                                              Your killin the discussion!

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                                                                              • Brujah
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Is this something most designers would prefer ? For the clients to establish the price they're willing to pay beforehand ?

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                                                                                • blueboy
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  huh?
                                                                                  Yeah,

                                                                                  Just fucking aroud. My point is that nobody wants to open any discussion with a price. A client doesn't want to overpay. And a designer doesn't want to undercharge. But the designer still wants the work and the client wants the best price with the least headache.

                                                                                  OK, so both parties start out on an equal ground. Designers just state your price and clients just beg for the cheapest labor. Eventually the playing field levels off.

                                                                                  The clients that survive to afford the big bucks recognize the value of designers that perform on a cash basis. Whatever the price, they make you money.

                                                                                  The designers that prosper are the ones that deliver the goods. Make their clients money.

                                                                                  The best way to get work is to make somebody money. There are tons of sponsors out there. I've been designing for a while. In December, I started building galleries and submitting them. My galleries convert. I got contacted by a sponsor that I promoted. He wanted some free hosted galleries. He contacted me because my galleries made him BLING.

                                                                                  I did his galleries and now have 3 spinoff clients. Makes me BLING.

                                                                                  By the way, the spinoff clients never questioned my price. I made somebody BLING and that's all that matters in business.
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                                                                                  • Fletch XXX
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by PiksalDesign

                                                                                    I think you have beef with me because im another designer.
                                                                                    I havent done anything to make you mad have I ?
                                                                                    yeah thats it.

                                                                                    do you even see me spamming for design? we are in very different markets.

                                                                                    I am nearly no longer available for work dude, i dont have "beef" with you.

                                                                                    me laughing at you has nothing to do with your profession.

                                                                                    I laugh at a lot of idiots around here, im not that picky.

                                                                                    ;)

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                                                                                    • PiksalDesign
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Fletch XXX


                                                                                      yeah thats it.

                                                                                      do you even see me spamming for design? we are in very different markets.

                                                                                      I am nearly no longer available for work dude, i dont have "beef" with you.

                                                                                      me laughing at you has nothing to do with your profession.

                                                                                      I laugh at a lot of idiots around here, im not that picky.

                                                                                      ;)
                                                                                      Thanks for calling me an idiot.
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                                                                                      • Fletch XXX
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by PiksalDesign


                                                                                        Thanks for calling me an idiot.
                                                                                        you need to grow some skin if you plan on posting as a designer around here


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                                                                                        • blueboy
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          do you even see me spamming for design? we are in very different markets.
                                                                                          Not directly, dude...but spamming for Donovan, lately yeah.

                                                                                          But I can understand that because Donovan makes you money and you make him money. The best basis for spam is truth. "It ain't bragging if you deliver."

                                                                                          Besides, your shit rocks. Keep on blinging.
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                                                                                          • sextoyking
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                                                                                            • Dec 2001
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Hi,

                                                                                            Design Specials, Announcements, etc are good for posting on the boards.

                                                                                            When clients come to me, I find out what they want done, and send them a quote, easy as that. I do tons of quotes all week long and it works out great like that.

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                                                                                            • PiksalDesign
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Fletch XXX


                                                                                              you need to grow some skin if you plan on posting as a designer around here

                                                                                              HAH. maybe you should get to know me more, intead of assuming that you know the kind of person I am. Id rather get to the bottom of things if you have problem rather than shruggin it off as you being an asshole, wich seems to be the direction its going.
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                                                                                              • Fletch XXX
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                                                                                                • Jan 2002
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by PiksalDesign
                                                                                                rather than shruggin it off as you being an asshole, wich seems to be the direction its going.
                                                                                                Ill save you some time.

                                                                                                I am an asshole ;)

                                                                                                Ask everyone I do business with.

                                                                                                I shrug it off because it doesnt matter.


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                                                                                                • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  See this thread:
                                                                                                  http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=258548

                                                                                                  That thread is exactly along the lines of which this rant topic is about.

                                                                                                  He stated a 50K budget and from there people are bidding away and discussing ways to work with it. Just because design is visual is esentially the same.

                                                                                                  To take it a level deeper someone could say I got 2K and need 2 tours done and 20 banners.

                                                                                                  Theoretically speaking...

                                                                                                  I believe that some conditioned patterns people blindly follow in business is not necessarily the correct method to achieve saving money and creating a thread that has far more potential than a "Spam" thread listing tons of designers.

                                                                                                  Example.
                                                                                                  Look at all the shit them people go through to find a designer with over 30 responses sometimes in them A typical "looking for designer" post when the response would excel well over 30 posts demonstrating what exactly "X" amount of dollars can get them while constructively creating an agreeable price for less than the stated budget amount.
                                                                                                  Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 03-25-2004, 05:07 PM.

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                                                                                                  • Fletch XXX
                                                                                                    GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                                                    • Jan 2002
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                                                                                                    Now, since AlienQ and I get along fine, as a respected designer... im going to bow out of his thread since I have taken up way too much space in here with this jibber jabber and even entertaining these replies.

                                                                                                    Carry on folks.

                                                                                                    Time to get back to work.

                                                                                                    its almost cutting time.


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