i would move to another country if i could - but there are always too many foreigners. 
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Damn, Eros, I guess so much for your scheduled vacation to BrandenburgOriginally posted by MaDalton
i'm not dumb - but understanding and accepting are two different things.
and if you don't shave it could happen that the nazis consider you as a tramp and beat you up as well.
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If I invade your home and say that you better be prepared to have me there forever, and you tried to kick me out, would you be "xenophobic?" What about a people that want to continue to exist the way they are? A people that don't see anything that needs be changed in their gene pool, especially in favor of genes from peoples who have absolutely no records of noteworthy intellectual achievements? Why are they "xenophobic," and if this makes them "xenophobic," why is it negative rather than positive?Originally posted by Ironhorse
This should not come as much surprise. My guess is numbers are even higher, Germans have been a xenophobic bunch since Roman times..Comment
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Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
If I invade your home and say that you better be prepared to have me there forever, and you tried to kick me out, would you be "xenophobic?" What about a people that want to continue to exist the way they are? A people that don't see anything that needs be changed in their gene pool, especially in favor of genes from peoples who have absolutely no records of noteworthy intellectual achievements? Why are they "xenophobic," and if this makes them "xenophobic," why is it negative rather than positive?
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Is it too shocking for you that I dare to question the wiseness of the largest experimentation on the human species currently known to man? Should I be burned on a fire for my vile heresy?Originally posted by MaDalton
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shocking? no - the pictures of yassin or what he was called were shocking.Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
Is it too shocking for you that I dare to question the wiseness of the largest experimentation on the human species currently known to man? Should I be burned on a fire for my vile heresy?
i would say it's frightening that there are people out there who consider their race to be more "worth" than other races.
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I have not said anything about the worth of my race, much less that of anybody elses. I have however let you in on my beliefs regarding the right of all peoples to have sovereign land and rule for themselves. Worth is highly relative, but in a strict down to earth sense, the only worth is your ability to survive. Looking at it that way, the White race currently has the least worth of all the world's races, perhaps with exception of the American Indians whose people are quickly falling into oblivion for many reasons. Because according to statistics, we are slowly being exterminated in every corner of the world - and many people, particularly those of beliefs similar to yours, seem to like that.Originally posted by MaDalton
shocking? no - the pictures of yassin or what he was called were shocking.
i would say it's frightening that there are people out there who consider their race to be more "worth" than other races.
so good for you if you live in a country where you are allowed to speak freely.Comment
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i am fat and i am loosing hair - no reason to bequest that.Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
I have not said anything about the worth of my race, much less that of anybody elses. I have however let you in on my beliefs regarding the right of all peoples to have sovereign land and rule for themselves. Worth is highly relative, but in a strict down to earth sense, the only worth is your ability to survive. Looking at it that way, the White race currently has the least worth of all the world's races, perhaps with exception of the American Indians whose people are quickly falling into oblivion for many reasons. Because according to statistics, we are slowly being exterminated in every corner of the world - and many people, particularly those of beliefs similar to yours, seem to like that.
but i must admit that i like to fuck asian girls - so i am slowly destryoing my gene pool. what a pity.
maybe for you something like a zoo would be good - they have a lot of other races there which they try to save from being exterminated.
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Both fall under the freedom of speech exclusions issue.Originally posted by eroswebmaster
I love how people always drag the kid issue into just about every argument...cp and racism ...apples and oranges.
While one is clearly against the law another is just the way some people think and feel...
http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilre...-nazi-net.html
"While Germany's child pornography laws are not greatly different from those of other Western governments, its racial hatred laws are considerably stronger. It is illegal, for example, to deny that the Holocaust existed, and illegal to distribute any Nazi material of any kind. Even Hitler's biography, "Mein Kampf," cannot be legally published in Germany. "
I can see it very well my friend. I went to a german school for 8 years with german teachers and I've been to Germany as well. I know how sensitive they are about the issue.Originally posted by eroswebmaster
and as long as they keep it to just that..thinking and feeling and no action involved then who are you to decide?
And for you as an adult webmaster who can't see the real correlation I find this even more reprehensible.
But hey, America is past beyond these backwards issues but now dealing with more important modern issues like abortion and gay marriages.
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I was once mugged by a black man in a predominantly black neighborhood...should they arrest people swapping Puff Daddy songs?Originally posted by MaDalton
i wonder how many of you are black, asian or jewish...
i live in a part of germany where at least about 5% of the people tend to be openly neo-nazis. and i think up to 10 or 15% more think the same way but don't show it.
try to walk around here as a black, asian or jewish guy at night, i will not be surprised if you were beaten up by some nazis. it happend several times - for nothing.
my personal opinion is that these fuckheads belong to jail. no discussion.
above all that music is so incredible bad that is alone is enough reason to lock them all up.
note to self: when travelling to Germany, leave your Skrewdriver cd's at home ;-)))Comment
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Heh, you missed my post, they already do thatOriginally posted by SykkBoy2
I was once mugged by a black man in a predominantly black neighborhood...should they arrest people swapping Puff Daddy songs?
note to self: when travelling to Germany, leave your Skrewdriver cd's at home ;-)))
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Oooh..looks like I touched a nerve there.Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
If I invade your home and say that you better be prepared to have me there forever, and you tried to kick me out, would you be "xenophobic?" What about a people that want to continue to exist the way they are? A people that don't see anything that needs be changed in their gene pool, especially in favor of genes from peoples who have absolutely no records of noteworthy intellectual achievements? Why are they "xenophobic," and if this makes them "xenophobic," why is it negative rather than positive?Comment
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Germany is not a country anymore - it's just a geographical name. Sad but true.Comment
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You are making things up if you are trying to make a comparison between child porn and art that is critical of certain races. Child porn is illegal because a child is harmed in the production of the material.Originally posted by Lane
"While Germany's child pornography laws are not greatly different from those of other Western governments, its racial hatred laws are considerably stronger. It is illegal, for example, to deny that the Holocaust existed, and illegal to distribute any Nazi material of any kind. Even Hitler's biography, "Mein Kampf," cannot be legally published in Germany. "
There is no crime, in a free society, in making a song, speaking words, or writing words.
Your argument might as well compare murder and peaceful protest, because they are about as closely related as child porn and racist songs.
Germany is fucked when it comes to free speech - they do not believe in it.
The most ironic part is that the Nazis government didn't believe in free speech either.
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There has never been free speech in Germany - and there still isn't.Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Germany is fucked when it comes to free speech - they do not believe in it.
The most ironic part is that the Nazis government didn't believe in free speech either.
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Not all laws are moral laws...and anything that limits or stifles free speech IMO is not a moral law.Originally posted by Lane
I can see it very well my friend. I went to a german school for 8 years with german teachers and I've been to Germany as well. I know how sensitive they are about the issue.
But hey, America is past beyond these backwards issues but now dealing with more important modern issues like abortion and gay marriages.
To try and compare the two...CP and Racism once again is apples and oranges..and the CP bullshit is what realy throws up flags in your argument here...if all else fails let's fall under the banner of children that makes the bad free thinkers go away.
So let's debate this on what it is...racism...fuck the cp shit it has nothing to do with this argument.
And I could care less where you went to school or what country you were born in or what issues you have with the US...it just goes to show you no country is perfect...but once again gay/abortion all that bullshit has nothing to do with the argument at hand.
Who cares how sensitive people are to the nazi issue..that's exactly why free speech exists...to protect issues that a minority might think/feel/or believe in that offends a more vocal majority...issues that need protection.For rent - ICQ 127-027-910
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coming to the u.s. in the near futureIt IS what it ISComment
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this is pure nonsense.Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Germany is fucked when it comes to free speech - they do not believe in it.
where do you live - mars?
maybe you should leave your computer from time to time and travel around a bit. it would expand your horizon.Comment
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I have been to Germany and lots of other countries.Originally posted by MaDalton
this is pure nonsense.
where do you live - mars?
maybe you should leave your computer from time to time and travel around a bit. it would expand your horizon.
Have you been to America? The U.S. has problems with right wingers trying to ban adult material. Other than that, tell me another country that respects free speech as much as the U.S.?
In the U.S. Constitution, the 1st Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Even when our rights are threatened, it is because of a single bad leader, like Bush. Soon Bush will be gone, but the Constitution will still exist.
Why do the German people not care about free speech?Comment
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There IS no free speech in Germany. Why do you deny reality? Why?Originally posted by MaDalton
this is pure nonsense.
where do you live - mars?
maybe you should leave your computer from time to time and travel around a bit. it would expand your horizon.
I read German papers and magazines every week - Spiegel, Focus, etc. I've seen much too much German TV. Nice - but it's not freedom of speech.Comment
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I really don't get that. Maybe I lived 32 years with eyes and ears closed, but we care as much about free speech as any other democratic country in the western world. Where did you hear that we don't? Strange.Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Why do the German people not care about free speech?
It is simply the point that there is a law that you are not allowed to use nazi signs, to deny the holocaust and to evoke racial hate. And in this fuckin music all three points are fullfilled - this is why it is forbidden. If Puff Daddy would sing about killing all white people he also would have some serious problems.
Apart from that you could tell every fuckin nonsense you like. it's up to the people whether they listen or not.
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i have nothing to add to my post aboveOriginally posted by Maru
There IS no free speech in Germany. Why do you deny reality? Why?
I read German papers and magazines every week - Spiegel, Focus, etc. I've seen much too much German TV. Nice - but it's not freedom of speech.
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Have you heard of the song "Cop Killer" released a few years ago in the United States?Originally posted by MaDalton
If Puff Daddy would sing about killing all white people he also would have some serious problems.
Ice-T did not go to jail.
If your government puts people in jail for art that disagrees with the government, how can you say you have free speech?Comment
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if it's up to people whether they listen or not, they why should the government decide that?Originally posted by MaDalton
Apart from that you could tell every fuckin nonsense you like. it's up to the people whether they listen or not.
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Yea - just like they had freedom of speech in the Soviet Union and in the DDR - just not for certain things. Freedom of speech is for those with unpopular opinions. Either you have it or you don't. It's a question of definitions. And Germany doesn't have it.Originally posted by MaDalton
I really don't get that. Maybe I lived 32 years with eyes and ears closed, but we care as much about free speech as any other democratic country in the western world. Where did you hear that we don't? Strange.
It is simply the point that there is a law that you are not allowed to use nazi signs, to deny the holocaust and to evoke racial hate. And in this fuckin music all three points are fullfilled - this is why it is forbidden. If Puff Daddy would sing about killing all white people he also would have some serious problems.
Apart from that you could tell every fuckin nonsense you like. it's up to the people whether they listen or not.
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sad but trueOriginally posted by Maru
There has never been free speech in Germany - and there still isn't.Comment
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romper stomper.Comment
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Germany and freedom of speech or freedom at all do not mix very well.
Too many laws,too many regulations.
Simple as that.
If you can't control or understand something or if it is against the masses - make a law against it - regulate it.
Oh and yes, I live in Germany (limited until I get my ass outta here).
There is one basic rule: You can do everything you want to - just don't get caught
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Originally posted by HighOnAcid
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ok, folks - i give it up
it seems not to be possible to make the difference clear between the freedom of speech, which is very important to me, and the point, that in this country for historic reasons some laws exist, that forbid to deal with some special political opinions. I did not make these laws, but i can live with them cause I hate these nazi dumbfucks. and btw: i cannot agree to every kind of political or religious kind of radicalism.
enough for now - i'm tired.
back to business - anyone interested in some custom shoots with some nice czech girls???
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Originally posted by MaDalton
ok, folks - i give it up
it seems not to be possible to make the difference clear between the freedom of speech, which is very important to me, and the point, that in this country for historic reasons some laws exist, that forbid to deal with some special political opinions. I did not make these laws, but i can live with them cause I hate these nazi dumbfucks. and btw: i cannot agree to every kind of political or religious kind of radicalism.
enough for now - i'm tired.
back to business - anyone interested in some custom shoots with some nice czech girls???
Dude,that shit has happend quite a few years ago...
It has to be done at a point. And that point is exceeded for some years....
Get over it already. I don't have anything to do with this shit,so why should I be forced to live with the pain in the ass to still be made guilty of things ppl have done many years ago?
I mean if you feel guilty for something that happend under Hitler,thats ok. But why in the world should a whole country feel guilty for that?
Our Generation has nothing to do with this anymore.
Cheers,
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i do not feel guilty - i just do not want it to happen again. thats all.Originally posted by JOKEREMPIRE
Dude,that shit has happend quite a few years ago...
It has to be done at a point. And that point is exceeded for some years....
Get over it already. I don't have anything to do with this shit,so why should I be forced to live with the pain in the ass to still be made guilty of things ppl have done many years ago?
I mean if you feel guilty for something that happend under Hitler,thats ok. But why in the world should a whole country feel guilty for that?
Our Generation has nothing to do with this anymore.
Cheers,
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Well said. This collective guilt is suffocating Germany - and the enemies of the country like that.Originally posted by JOKEREMPIRE
Dude,that shit has happend quite a few years ago...
It has to be done at a point. And that point is exceeded for some years....
Get over it already. I don't have anything to do with this shit,so why should I be forced to live with the pain in the ass to still be made guilty of things ppl have done many years ago?
I mean if you feel guilty for something that happend under Hitler,thats ok. But why in the world should a whole country feel guilty for that?
Our Generation has nothing to do with this anymore.
Cheers,
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I think Germany needs some sessions with Dr. Phil.
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It's just like Ice-T said in another song, aimed at US under Bush 41 - Freedom of speech, just watch what you're sayingOriginally posted by Mr.Fiction
Have you heard of the song "Cop Killer" released a few years ago in the United States?
Ice-T did not go to jail.
If your government puts people in jail for art that disagrees with the government, how can you say you have free speech?Comment
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