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  • Kappy
    Registered User
    • May 2002
    • 67

    #1

    google adwords will disapprove all ads from today on

    ...which are linking IN ANY WAY to a dialer.

    So if you or the sponsors site that you are advertising has, for example, beside the option to pay with credit card an additional option to pay per minute for international users then all these ads will be disabled until you remove this dialer link from your sponsors site.


    This is a new policy and has started immediately today, adwords support wrote me this about this topic:

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    Thank you for your email. We apologise for your frustration. Please know
    that the integrity of the Google AdWords programme is very important to
    us, and this change helps us to maintain consistent and fair standards of
    review. This ensures that we continue to provide a high quality
    advertising programme that protects both our advertisers and our users.

    Previously, our policy allowed ads linking directly to dialers, or to
    websites featuring dialers, to run within the programme in a limited
    capacity. However, we can no longer permit the inclusion of these ads
    within AdWords. Ads that may no longer be advertised via the AdWords
    programme include, but are not limited to the following:

    - Ads with a Destination URL that triggers a dialer
    - Ads that link to a website that initialises a dialer after a set amount
    of time has elapsed
    - Ads that link to a website that includes links (webmaster content or
    advertising content) to dialers
    -----------------------------------------------------------------


    Now how fucked up is this?
  • Steve
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2001
    • 6894

    #2
    make your own Full Page ad/hosted tours

    problem solved

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    • Kappy
      Registered User
      • May 2002
      • 67

      #3
      Originally posted by Steve
      make your own Full Page ad/hosted tours

      problem solved
      read my post, problem not solved. as long as there is the option to pay per minute ON THE JOIN FORM all ads will get disapproved.

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      • Sexy Rex
        Confirmed User
        • Sep 2003
        • 1164

        #4
        Use a sponsor where you can enable / disable payment options

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        • polish_aristocrat
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Jul 2002
          • 40377

          #5
          Idiots.
          I don't use ICQ anymore.

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          • Kappy
            Registered User
            • May 2002
            • 67

            #6
            Originally posted by Totem Rex
            Use a sponsor where you can enable / disable payment options

            www.totemcash.com
            and where is this option in your program? I can't find it.

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            • Steve
              Confirmed User
              • Feb 2001
              • 6894

              #7
              Originally posted by Kappy

              read my post, problem not solved. as long as there is the option to pay per minute ON THE JOIN FORM all ads will get disapproved.
              bah - sorry, I must admit I didn't read all of your post
              this is much worse than usual - I dont think there is a PPS program that doesn't at least filter crap traffic off to dialers

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              • bluff
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Jan 2004
                • 6253

                #8
                excellent dicision

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                • Steve W
                  Confirmed User
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 606

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Kappy
                  ...which are linking IN ANY WAY to a dialer.

                  So if you or the sponsors site that you are advertising has, for example, beside the option to pay with credit card an additional option to pay per minute for international users then all these ads will be disabled until you remove this dialer link from your sponsors site.


                  This is a new policy and has started immediately today, adwords support wrote me this about this topic:

                  ---------------------------------------------------------------------
                  Thank you for your email. We apologise for your frustration. Please know
                  that the integrity of the Google AdWords programme is very important to
                  us, and this change helps us to maintain consistent and fair standards of
                  review. This ensures that we continue to provide a high quality
                  advertising programme that protects both our advertisers and our users.

                  Previously, our policy allowed ads linking directly to dialers, or to
                  websites featuring dialers, to run within the programme in a limited
                  capacity. However, we can no longer permit the inclusion of these ads
                  within AdWords. Ads that may no longer be advertised via the AdWords
                  programme include, but are not limited to the following:

                  - Ads with a Destination URL that triggers a dialer
                  - Ads that link to a website that initialises a dialer after a set amount
                  of time has elapsed
                  - Ads that link to a website that includes links (webmaster content or
                  advertising content) to dialers
                  -----------------------------------------------------------------


                  Now how fucked up is this?
                  ICQ me

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                  • chowda
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 9527

                    #10
                    they keep disapproving, i keep putting new ones up.

                    its 9AM over there

                    try when its like 6AM and see if u get ur words accepted
                    Someone finds you...
                    2007

                    PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.

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                    • Tuga
                      Confirmed User
                      • Nov 2002
                      • 7678

                      #11
                      This is very fucked up and could explain the low traffic I'm getting from them.

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                      • 4Pics
                        Confirmed User
                        • Dec 2001
                        • 7952

                        #12
                        promote www.datinggold.com or www.partnerpayouts.com neither uses a dialer.

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                        • Kappy
                          Registered User
                          • May 2002
                          • 67

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Steve W


                          ICQ me
                          sorry, not installed

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                          • TheSenator
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 13330

                            #14
                            Look at sig and promote....brand spanking new
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                            • Kappy
                              Registered User
                              • May 2002
                              • 67

                              #15
                              Originally posted by 4Pics
                              promote www.partnerpayouts.com neither uses a dialer.
                              hmm, my browser keeps crashing when I try to open the "site preview".

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                              • Kappy
                                Registered User
                                • May 2002
                                • 67

                                #16
                                Originally posted by chowda
                                they keep disapproving, i keep putting new ones up.

                                its 9AM over there

                                try when its like 6AM and see if u get ur words accepted
                                I already tried something like this, but my ads are not getting any impressions, they are disabled from the start now...

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                                • chowda
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jun 2003
                                  • 9527

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Kappy

                                  I already tried something like this, but my ads are not getting any impressions, they are disabled from the start now...
                                  did u create new campaigns or use existing ones?
                                  Someone finds you...
                                  2007

                                  PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.

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                                  • Kappy
                                    Registered User
                                    • May 2002
                                    • 67

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by chowda


                                    did u create new campaigns or use existing ones?
                                    I already tried both

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                                    • Kappy
                                      Registered User
                                      • May 2002
                                      • 67

                                      #19
                                      well the fucked up thing is that nearly all sponsor sites have this additional pay per minute option on their join sites.

                                      So you can't promote any topbucks, siccash or nastydollars site anymore on google for example. They all have a pay by phone option.

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                                      • DialerMaster
                                        Registered User
                                        • Mar 2004
                                        • 72

                                        #20
                                        Well it is not the end
                                        if you use dialer that are not abusing the end user and not put them on first page, it will work..
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                                        • Shooter
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Apr 2001
                                          • 2842

                                          #21
                                          Does this affect the sites where they charge your phone bill like 30 bucks and then give you 1-month's access? Or just sites charging by the minute?

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                                          • Kappy
                                            Registered User
                                            • May 2002
                                            • 67

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by DialerMaster
                                            Well it is not the end
                                            if you use dialer that are not abusing the end user and not put them on first page, it will work..
                                            no, you are wrong.
                                            I'm linking from my own landing page to the first site of a sponsors tour from topbucks for example. There is no dialer anywhere, but if you are at the end of the tour you'll get the normal topbucks join page like this for example:
                                            http://www.gayvideosxxx.com/s3/join.html
                                            And there it is, an additional payment option to pay by phone. That's it. From today on you are not allowed to link to this tour anymore.

                                            This is what they wrote me about it:
                                            --------------------------------------------------------------------
                                            Our AdWords Specialist review all of our ads to ensure that they comply
                                            with all of the guidelines. When they reviewed your website they could see
                                            a dialer on the following page when you click on pay per minute
                                            international access : http://www.gayvideosxxx.com/s3/join.html .
                                            This is where the dialer can be found. I assure
                                            you that as soon as this is removed from your website, we will be able to
                                            review your ads again.
                                            -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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                                            • Kappy
                                              Registered User
                                              • May 2002
                                              • 67

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Shooter
                                              Does this affect the sites where they charge your phone bill like 30 bucks and then give you 1-month's access? Or just sites charging by the minute?
                                              I'm not sure, it looks like that they will disable all ads that contain something that works like a dialer, whether it charges per minute or per one time fee.

                                              They wrote:
                                              -------------------------------------------------------------------
                                              When you click on any of the links on your page, you offered payment options. One of the payment options is: "No Check, no Credit card? Download Porn Software" This is a Dialer.
                                              We have updated the Google AdWords ad policy ...
                                              As a result, we cannot promote ads or ads for websites that interfere with users' Internet interactions or that may jeopardise trust in the Google AdWords programme.
                                              ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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                                              • Kappy
                                                Registered User
                                                • May 2002
                                                • 67

                                                #24
                                                so no one else got disapproved yet???

                                                well wtf is this? I can't believe it...

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                                                • TheSwed
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                  • 3483

                                                  #25
                                                  ARS4REAL have this option in linking codes
                                                  cen= This variable determines if you will send to the censored or uncensored versions of the tour. If left blank, surfers will be sent to the non-censored tour. If cen=y, surfers will be sent to the censored tour. The censored tours have no webphone option and no dialer on the join page.

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                                                  • Rawz
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                    • 288

                                                    #26
                                                    Thats really fucked up, if your not auto installing a dialer then wtf is the problem . Google makes all these fucking Adword rules yet they still spider and produce searches with the most nasty, illegal shit you can possibly find on the net .
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                                                    • Kappy
                                                      Registered User
                                                      • May 2002
                                                      • 67

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Rawz
                                                      Thats really fucked up, if your not auto installing a dialer then wtf is the problem . Google makes all these fucking Adword rules yet they still spider and produce searches with the most nasty, illegal shit you can possibly find on the net .
                                                      yes, you are right.

                                                      And they use these lame disclaimers now in all support emails they send out:

                                                      "Please note that the decisions we make concerning
                                                      advertising in no way affect the search results we deliver."
                                                      and
                                                      "Google believes strongly in freedom of expression and therefore offers broad access to content across the web without censoring search results."

                                                      to try to explain why paying advertisers are treated like idiots and all others can do what ever they want



                                                      I still hope that all this dialer bullshit is just a bad joke.

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                                                      • iwantchixx
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                        • 12860

                                                        #28
                                                        This effectively cuts out the middle man. Affiliates can't promote certain programs via adwords anymore but the programs themselves can make a join page wih no dialer option and promote the sites themselves and keep full revenue.

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                                                        • alecb
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                          • 269

                                                          #29
                                                          can anyone explain the problems associated with dialers

                                                          /newb question

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                                                          • Kappy
                                                            Registered User
                                                            • May 2002
                                                            • 67

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by iwantchixx
                                                            This effectively cuts out the middle man. Affiliates can't promote certain programs via adwords anymore but the programs themselves can make a join page wih no dialer option and promote the sites themselves and keep full revenue.
                                                            very true

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                                                            • Seb From Holland
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • May 2002
                                                              • 2747

                                                              #31
                                                              Only gay programs will spam their no dialer shit in this thread...

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                                                              • Kappy
                                                                Registered User
                                                                • May 2002
                                                                • 67

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by alecb
                                                                can anyone explain the problems associated with dialers

                                                                /newb question

                                                                thanks,
                                                                al
                                                                they charge you per minute, and mostly they are expensive.

                                                                But users can choose whether they like to use a dialer or not. Google doesn't seem to know this, or google thinks all their users are low-brainers who can't fill out a credit card form and therefor they have to use the dialer.

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                                                                • Nicky
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                  • 30071

                                                                  #33
                                                                  ive never tried google adwords, were they any good??

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                                                                  • Kappy
                                                                    Registered User
                                                                    • May 2002
                                                                    • 67

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Nicky
                                                                    ive never tried google adwords, were they any good??
                                                                    they were really good until the austin update, sice then so lala

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                                                                    • Kingfish
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                                      • 668

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Correct me if I am wrong, but there is a distinction between join by phone and a dialer isn?t there? Most sponsors have join by phone option where you aren?t required to download any software your phone bill is just charged for access to the site.

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                                                                      • SomeCreep
                                                                        :glugglug
                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                        • 26118

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Damn, what a shitty move on google's part. Webmasters must have been abusing dialers to the point where google was overwhelmed with complaints.

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                                                                        • Mr.Fiction
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Feb 2002
                                                                          • 9484

                                                                          #37
                                                                          This reminds me of back when Goto started adding so many rules that it became a full time job to try to keep up with them.

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                                                                          • hjnet
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • May 2002
                                                                            • 3815

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Kappy
                                                                            so no one else got disapproved yet???

                                                                            well wtf is this? I can't believe it...

                                                                            Nope, I also got their disapproved emails a few minutes ago. I've sent them an email and tried to explain the difference between an aggressive dialer and one that is used as an additional billing method, but I guess we'd need a lot more people to email them and explain to them that they made a mistake.

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                                                                            • Theo
                                                                              HAL 9000
                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                              • 34515

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Please note that if you submit these ads again, we will be unable to run
                                                                              any of your AdWords ads in the future.

                                                                              Thank you for your cooperation.

                                                                              Sincerely,

                                                                              Ruth
                                                                              Google AdWords
                                                                              UK and Ireland Team



                                                                              after all this time and money this shitty attitude?

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                                                                              • hjnet
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • May 2002
                                                                                • 3815

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                                Please note that if you submit these ads again, we will be unable to run
                                                                                any of your AdWords ads in the future.

                                                                                Thank you for your cooperation.

                                                                                Sincerely,

                                                                                Ruth
                                                                                Google AdWords
                                                                                UK and Ireland Team



                                                                                after all this time and money this shitty attitude?

                                                                                I guess they'll start to think about their ban when they've lost ~30% of their adwords costumers within the next few weeks, but hopefully we don't have to wait so long.

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                                                                                • Theo
                                                                                  HAL 9000
                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                  • 34515

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  this time they declined my submission for a dialer on the 2nd exit, while I can still see a shitload of dialer campaigns for UK traffic. Their traffic, their rules. Webmasters and adult companies should comply, because I doubt google will step back on this.

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                                                                                  • Kappy
                                                                                    Registered User
                                                                                    • May 2002
                                                                                    • 67

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    yes their traffic, their rules - but its our money that feeds them. You google fuckers, really I don't have other words for you anymore. You could have given us 1 or 2 weeks time to request changes on the sponsors sites.
                                                                                    Instead you're acting like kids in the kindergarden without any sence and respect for business relations

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                                                                                    • NoCarrier
                                                                                      We need more free porn
                                                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                                                      • 16356

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      How about asking the sponsors offering the option to create a new signup page without that option? I'm pretty sure they will be open minded to it. I mean, you can't get more quality traffic that targeted traffic.

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                                                                                      • Shooter
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                                                        • 2842

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Kingfish
                                                                                        Correct me if I am wrong, but there is a distinction between join by phone and a dialer isn?t there? Most sponsors have join by phone option where you aren?t required to download any software your phone bill is just charged for access to the site.
                                                                                        This is the same thing I'm curious about. Has anyone received any feedback on this?

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                                                                                        • rabbit
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                          • 2124

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          it sucks, google is very picky.

                                                                                          but here's another solution for you guys: my review site affiliate proggy. all my adwords links are running without any problems.
                                                                                          you get to keep 9 out of 10 clicks from the review to the paysite. and i guarantee you'll get a better conversion from the review than sending it directly to the sponsor.

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                                                                                          • Kappy
                                                                                            Registered User
                                                                                            • May 2002
                                                                                            • 67

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by carbondream
                                                                                            it sucks, google is very picky.

                                                                                            but here's another solution for you guys: my review site affiliate proggy. all my adwords links are running without any problems.
                                                                                            you get to keep 9 out of 10 clicks from the review to the paysite. and i guarantee you'll get a better conversion from the review than sending it directly to the sponsor.

                                                                                            rabbit
                                                                                            Believe me, your site is one of the next that will get disapproved!

                                                                                            I did a quick look and you have also for example nastydollars and topbucks links on your site. And on their joinpages is a dialer link. Thats enough to get disapproved now.

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                                                                                            • Kappy
                                                                                              Registered User
                                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                                              • 67

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Great, a couple of hours ago I already emailed a few sponsors about this new dialer policy and now I'm getting the first replies that they are working on solutions and the first ones will have them ready by tomorrow.

                                                                                              But I suggest to mail your sponsors as well to speed things up and make them aware about the changes.
                                                                                              Last edited by Kappy; 03-23-2004, 12:09 PM.

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                                                                                              • Kingfish
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                                                • 668

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Responses I received so far:
                                                                                                Platinum Bucks - New linking option with credit card and check sign-up only
                                                                                                Adult Lounge - Aware of the situation seeing what they can do
                                                                                                Top Bucks - Trying to figure out the best solution to the problem
                                                                                                SIC Cash - Waiting to see if they should make any changes (email support asking for it)
                                                                                                Silver Cash - Hasn?t responded to my email.

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                                                                                                • samuel
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                                                  • 1986

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by hjnet



                                                                                                  Nope, I also got their disapproved emails a few minutes ago. I've sent them an email and tried to explain the difference between an aggressive dialer and one that is used as an additional billing method, but I guess we'd need a lot more people to email them and explain to them that they made a mistake.

                                                                                                  I agree with you hjnet, wtf with this? just to place an additional biling method on pages is enough to be banned from google? where are the serious bussiness minds in this world?

                                                                                                  Someone should let them know that this is a mistake.

                                                                                                  Samuel

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                                                                                                  • Jason
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Dec 2002
                                                                                                    • 4287

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    You can disable the dialers in PornDollar

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