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  • Roger
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    • Jul 2003
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    Bush administration didn't want Afghanistan

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    Former White House terrorism advisor Richard Clarke tells Lesley Stahl that on September 11, 2001 and the day after - when it was clear Al Qaeda had carried out the terrorist attacks - the Bush administration was considering bombing Iraq in retaliation. Clarke's exclusive interview will be broadcast on 60 MINUTES Sunday March 21 (7:00-8:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

    Clarke was surprised that the attention of administration officials was turning toward Iraq when he expected the focus to be on Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. "They were talking about Iraq on 9/11. They were talking about it on 9/12," says Clarke.

    The top counter-terrorism advisor, Clarke was briefing the highest government officials, including President Bush and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, in the aftermath of 9/11. "Rumsfeld was saying we needed to bomb Iraq....We all said, 'but no, no. Al Qaeda is in Afghanistan," recounts Clarke, "and Rumsfeld said, 'There aren't any good targets in Afghanistan and there are lots of good targets in Iraq.' I said, 'Well, there are lots of good targets in lots of places, but Iraq had nothing to do with [the 9/11 attacks],'" he tells Stahl.

    Clarke goes on to explain what he believes was the reason for the focus on Iraq. "I think they wanted to believe that there was a connection [between Iraq and Al Qaeda] but the CIA was sitting there, the FBI was sitting there, I was sitting there, saying, 'We've looked at this issue for years. For years we've looked and there's just no connection,'" says Clarke.
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  • Roger
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    • Jul 2003
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    #2
    well that's interesting.

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    • boris77
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      • Mar 2003
      • 546

      #3
      and the American tax payer keeps on smiling...........

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      • BradM
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        • Dec 2003
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        #4
        No one cares... whats done is done. We all know Iraq had nothing to do with it.

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        • torrey
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          • Jan 2004
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          #5

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          • Probono
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            • Oct 2002
            • 2731

            #6
            Originally posted by BradM
            No one cares... whats done is done. We all know Iraq had nothing to do with it.
            Almost half of all Americans still thik otherwise.

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            • rett11
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              • Jan 2003
              • 397

              #7
              Iraq's in a much better strategic position than Afghanistan. It is amazing that anyone is gonna vote for this guy...utterly incomprehensible. I've always thought that this:
              http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1018-03.htm
              was the real reason we attacked Iraq.
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              • Mr.Fiction
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                • Feb 2002
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                #8
                Bush will go down in history as one of the worst U.S. presidents.
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                • BigFish
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                  • Jan 2003
                  • 1159

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Probono


                  Almost half of all Americans still thik otherwise.
                  Half of Americans see the bigger picture that the Middle East is a failed society and it needs CHANGE. They realize that the Middle East breeds hate and therefore leads to terrorism. Open your eyes. Kill Osama and then what? You still have a region that teaches hate in kids and teens everyday. Lack of hope created by Kings and Princes spending all of the country's riches plus a religion that teaches you to hate and destroy western people... well you do the math. Talk about the only region in the world today that needs babysitting by other countries. For 10 years NATO had to do NO FLY zones to keep Saddam from fucking around with his neighbors. C'mon now, we're living in the 21st century and we have some dictator wanting to conquer his neighbors for the thrill of it. Africa is the only other place in the world that can't get their shit together but UNLIKE the Middle East, they don't take their inadequacies out on other people of the world. Instead of constantly complaining, people should come up with solutions. The solution of inaction obviously does not work since the Middle East has been fucked up for decades and has gotten worse leading up to 9/11.

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                  • VeriSexy
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                    • Apr 2002
                    • 25463

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
                    Bush will go down in history as one of the worst U.S. presidents.
                    Yup, very greedy man

                    "when it was clear Al Qaeda had carried out the terrorist attacks - the Bush administration was considering bombing Iraq in retaliation"

                    "Clarke was surprised that the attention of administration officials was turning toward Iraq when he expected the focus to be on Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden"

                    "Rumsfeld was saying we needed to bomb Iraq....We all said, 'but no, no. Al Qaeda is in Afghanistan," recounts Clarke, "and Rumsfeld said, 'There aren't any good targets in Afghanistan and there are lots of good targets in Iraq.' I said, 'Well, there are lots of good targets in lots of places, but Iraq had nothing to do with [the 9/11 attacks],'"

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                    • Roger
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                      • Jul 2003
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by BigFish
                      Half of Americans see the bigger picture that the Middle East is a failed society and it needs CHANGE. They realize that the Middle East breeds hate and therefore leads to terrorism. Open your eyes. Kill Osama and then what? You still have a region that teaches hate in kids and teens everyday.
                      The bigger picture? The Middle East is a failed society mainly do to super powers sticking there nose in it and taking over it for centuries. Actually it was a plan devised during the Ottoman empire by the one who later became the king of Kuwait it mainly consists of constantly stirring up trouble in that region so it can be easily exploited. After the Ottoman where defeated, the UK took over and followed the same plan.

                      Lack of hope created by Kings and Princes spending all of the country's riches plus a religion that teaches you to hate and destroy western people... well you do the math. Talk about the only region in the world today that needs babysitting by other countries. For 10 years NATO had to do NO FLY zones to keep Saddam from fucking around with his neighbors. C'mon now, we're living in the 21st century and we have some dictator wanting to conquer his neighbors for the thrill of it. Africa is the only other place in the world that can't get their shit together but UNLIKE the Middle East, they don't take their inadequacies out on other people of the world. Instead of constantly complaining, people should come up with solutions. The solution of inaction obviously does not work since the Middle East has been fucked up for decades and has gotten worse leading up to 9/11.
                      Inaction? Let me remind you that it's action that brought us Ben Laden and Saddam and it's the US who encouraged the islamic extremists during the cold war.

                      No, actually the ME was getting better until 9/11 happened but Bush had decided long ago to screw it up again.

                      Kuwait was stealing Iraq's oil.

                      But I'm sure that half of America is right and the other half is wrong as well as the huge majority of non-Americans who are also wrong.
                      Last edited by Roger; 03-19-2004, 06:05 PM.

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                      • BigFish
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                        • Jan 2003
                        • 1159

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Roger


                        The bigger picture? The Middle East is a failed society mainly do to super powers sticking there nose in it and taking over it for centuries.
                        Asia (Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Thailand). End of discussion.

                        Originally posted by Roger


                        Inaction? Let me remind you that it's action that brought us Ben Laden and Saddam and it's the US who encouraged the islamic extremists during the cold war.

                        No, actually the ME was getting better until 9/11 happened but Bush had decided long ago to screw it up again. Kuwait was stealing Iraq's oil.
                        We encouraged Islamic extremists to go into Western societies to vent their anger? Link please.

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                        • Roger
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                          • Jul 2003
                          • 3181

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BigFish
                          We encouraged Islamic extremists to go into Western societies to vent their anger? Link please.
                          Not sure I understand what you're talking about.

                          No you encouraged Islamic extremists to fight the soviet infidels. Don't you watch documentaries at all? You have ex-CIA operatives who where there at the time and clearly admit to it.

                          Are you telling me that you'll be surprised if in 20 years from now, Iraq is in the same state of say Haiti?

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                          • goBigtime
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                            • Nov 2002
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                            #14
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                            • Mr. Marks
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                              • Jun 2001
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                              #15
                              crackheads shouldn't post until their high dies down.

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                              • BigFish
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                                • Jan 2003
                                • 1159

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Roger


                                Not sure I understand what you're talking about.

                                No you encouraged Islamic extremists to fight the soviet infidels. Don't you watch documentaries at all? You have ex-CIA operatives who where there at the time and clearly admit to it.

                                Are you telling me that you'll be surprised if in 20 years from now, Iraq is in the same state of say Haiti?
                                Islamic extremists fighting soviet infidels? What does that have to do with anything? So when these Muslim suicide bombers blow up a bunch of people trying to earn a living to feed their families, they blame it on the United States for teaching that technique? So I am guessing we're waiting for the day when a Vietnamese turns suicide bomber, correct?

                                United States intervention in Japan: Allie's occupation took 4-5 YEARS. Japan's list of companies making an impact for the better good for world today: TOO MANY TO LIST.

                                Middle East contributions to the world today: Creation Homeland Security in the U.S. and Mr. Terrorism in Europe.

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                                • rett11
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                                  • Jan 2003
                                  • 397

                                  #17
                                  confusing Iraq with the terrorists again...this is Bush's biggest lie that continues to be believed by people like you.
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                                  • Maru
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                                    • Jul 2003
                                    • 918

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Roger


                                    The bigger picture? The Middle East is a failed society mainly do to super powers sticking there nose in it and taking over it for centuries. Actually it was a plan devised during the Ottoman empire by the one who later became the king of Kuwait it mainly consists of constantly stirring up trouble in that region so it can be easily exploited. After the Ottoman where defeated, the UK took over and followed the same plan.
                                    The Middle East is a failed society mainly do to the people that live there.

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                                    • Roger
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                                      • Jul 2003
                                      • 3181

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by BigFish
                                      Islamic extremists fighting soviet infidels? What does that have to do with anything? So when these Muslim suicide bombers blow up a bunch of people trying to earn a living to feed their families, they blame it on the United States for teaching that technique? So I am guessing we're waiting for the day when a Vietnamese turns suicide bomber, correct?
                                      Heuh? When did the US support Vietnamese suicide bombers?
                                      Whatever you say, there's no way in hell you're gonna convince me that Iraq should've been invaded instead of Afghanistan. I can't believe how so many idiots will defend this administration no matter what they do.

                                      United States intervention in Japan: Allie's occupation took 4-5 YEARS. Japan's list of companies making an impact for the better good for world today: TOO MANY TO LIST.

                                      Middle East contributions to the world today: Creation Homeland Security in the U.S. and Mr. Terrorism in Europe.
                                      You're crediting Bush with something that happened 50 years ago now? You're comparing a country who attacked the US to a country who was attacked and took over by the US? Please.

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                                      • Roger
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                                        • Jul 2003
                                        • 3181

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Maru
                                        The Middle East is a failed society mainly do to the people that live there.
                                        Oh, thanks for the insight. Your solution would be?
                                        You'd agree then that the US Gen John Abizeid should be shown the way out then since he comes from there.
                                        Last edited by Roger; 03-19-2004, 06:55 PM.

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                                        • benc
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                                          • Jan 2002
                                          • 788

                                          #21
                                          The thing a lot of you don't understand is it all comes back to our support of Israel. Muslims hate us because we make Israel strong, and because we fight the Jews battles.


                                          Afghanistan is a shithole and has been for decades. What would you rather do, bomb the shit out of a few guys that are hiding in a cave, or take out of power a dictator that is a very de-stabalizing figure in the middle east that fans the flames of the whole palestestine vs Israel thing etc.
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                                          • BigFish
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                                            • Jan 2003
                                            • 1159

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Roger


                                            You're crediting Bush with something that happened 50 years ago now? You're comparing a country who attacked the US to a country who was attacked and took over by the US? Please.

                                            Where did I mention "Bush" in any of my posts? BIGGER PICTURE kid. When you understand that, get back to me and we'll talk some more.

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                                            • Rich
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Jan 2003
                                              • 11486

                                              #23
                                              Not only should he loose the election, he should be impeached immediately. Can anyone explain to me why when Clinton lies about a BJ the media uses the word impeachment every fucking minute, but Bush lies about the most serious things in the world, number 1 being our safety, and they've never even entertained the idea of him being impeached on any major network. What the fuck is going on down there? 1984?

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                                              • Joe Citizen
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                                                • Oct 2003
                                                • 4552

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Roger
                                                No you encouraged Islamic extremists to fight the soviet infidels.
                                                Except back then they were "freedom fighters", battling the evil commies.

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                                                • directfiesta
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                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                  • 30174

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by BigFish


                                                  Half of Americans see the bigger picture that the Middle East is a failed society and it needs CHANGE. They realize that the Middle East breeds hate and therefore leads to terrorism. Open your eyes. Kill Osama and then what? You still have a region that teaches hate in kids and teens everyday. Lack of hope created by Kings and Princes spending all of the country's riches plus a religion that teaches you to hate and destroy western people... well you do the math. Talk about the only region in the world today that needs babysitting by other countries. For 10 years NATO had to do NO FLY zones to keep Saddam from fucking around with his neighbors. C'mon now, we're living in the 21st century and we have some dictator wanting to conquer his neighbors for the thrill of it. Africa is the only other place in the world that can't get their shit together but UNLIKE the Middle East, they don't take their inadequacies out on other people of the world. Instead of constantly complaining, people should come up with solutions. The solution of inaction obviously does not work since the Middle East has been fucked up for decades and has gotten worse leading up to 9/11.
                                                  Get informed before typing:

                                                  NATO had nothing to do about "the no-fly zone" and your whole blabbing is just a mishmash of bribes of propaganda.
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                                                  • Roger
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                                                    • Jul 2003
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Rich
                                                    Not only should he loose the election, he should be impeached immediately. Can anyone explain to me why when Clinton lies about a BJ the media uses the word impeachment every fucking minute, but Bush lies about the most serious things in the world, number 1 being our safety, and they've never even entertained the idea of him being impeached on any major network. What the fuck is going on down there? 1984?
                                                    If Al Gore was the president instead of Bush and 9/11 happened, some right wing nutter would've most probably killed him and the republicans would be rioting in the streets to impeach him.
                                                    It's those no good crappy neo-cons.

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                                                    • fusionx
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                                                      • Nov 2003
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                                                      #27
                                                      ... and Rumsfeld said, 'There aren't any good targets in Afghanistan and there are lots of good targets in Iraq.'
                                                      That's like the story about the guy that was walking around on the roof of his apartment building one day searching for something.. when asked what he was doing, he said "I lost my car keys in the basement."

                                                      The other person asked "Then why are you looking up here?"

                                                      The guy answered "There's more light."

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                                                      • pimplink
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                                                        #28
                                                        I think that is a good decision.

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