Terror is terror dude? Saddam has been funding terrorism around the globe for ages, and its nothing new, you guys are looking at the most recent war only, look at history.
Originally posted by AcidMax Mutt I knew I liked your a a good reason. Too many of these people think with what they see on the leftist news stations like CNN. It's time for many of you start thinking for yourselves and understanding the problem at hand.
The war against Saddam was not against Al Qaeda it was against Saddam for promoting terrorism and killing thousands of people because they didnt conform to his beliefs just as Al Qaeda does on a daily basis because we do not conform to theirs. Start using your head and stop listening to the media and read, form your own opinions, even though you may be a democrat read news from drudgereport.com and read between the lines. There are way too many new leftists on this board, its just amazing.
Let me ask you this. When you know there are people actively pursuing attacks on domestic soil, is it more important to go after them or someone who's being unfair to the people in their own country?
I'm all for liberating Iraq, like most leftists are. Why would any left wing person be in favor of an authoritarian government? The problem with Iraq is we're blowing the budget on a distraction while there's an immediate danger to us the money would be better spent on.
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Originally posted by Mutt
You ignoramuses are good at running your mouth about Bush and war on terror BUT amazingly enough you never let the world know your scary intelligent solution to the problem.
Should we assume that you are in favor of appeasing these lunatics who flew two jetliners into a building filled with thousands of innocent mothers and fathers?
People dont fly perfectly good airplanes into buildings for NO reason.
Originally posted by Agent White Before this turns into an argument on "what defines religion" and numbers of dead bodies, let's argue over some more iron-clad assumptions:
1. Defending your country (note the word DEFEND) stops at your borders. Just like defending your net in soccer doesn't mean going over to the opposing net and beating the holy crap out of their goalie. Anything else is simply invasion.
2. Not liking Bush's military, economic and foreign policy decisions doesn't mean you are a member of Hamas.
3. If I was taken to court, in the US, for murder, and my testimony was "I heard rumor that my neighbor had a gun and that he might point it at me, so I went to his house, kicked the door down and shot the sweet living fuck out of the place", I would not be found innocent by means of self defense. I would be guilty.
I'm Canadian. I like the US.
I don't like the fact that many US citizens think the French are "bad" for not supporting their weak reason to go to war, but Canada and a majority of other nations didn't support the cause either and we have yet to be berated.
I don't like the fact that the US is in a bubble and most Americans can't find Iraq on a map, or know anything other than what Fox News tells them.
I don't like the fact that nearly 3/4s of Americans think WMDs were found in Iraq.
I don't like the fact that the US Army is using the base at Guantanemo Bay to avoid War Crimes legislation laid out in the Geneva Convention.
Do I think terrorism is wrong? Sure. Does that making any and all means of lying, torturing and invasion justified if it's to "fight terrorism"? No. Is Iraq a part of the "War On Terror?" No. Do many Americans think there is some link between fighting terrorists and the invasion of Iraq? Yes.
Many Americans seem to think that rhetoric and conjecture are ample enough reasoning to justify any action taken by their country, and that all other nations are jealous. When I was at Internext I asked a few Americans what Iraq had to do with terorism. I hear anything from Iraq attacked the twin towers to Osama is part of the Iraqi government. Facts are taking a backseat to patriotism and chauvenism. Anyone that asks for any reasonable justification for proclamations such as "Iraq Supports Terror" are immediately asked why they hate freedom.
In the meantime, American backpackers are still wearing Canadian flags, Obese politicians that lead your country are busy renaming french fries in the capitol cafeteria.
As a reasonable person, wouldn't you find this all a cause for concern?
Terror is terror dude? Saddam has been funding terrorism around the globe for ages, and its nothing new, you guys are looking at the most recent war only, look at history.
Look at real life. You just can't admit you fell for the obvious lies about the WMD and his connection to terrorists. It's nothing to be ashamed of, other governments bought it for Christ sake, but it's time to admit it to yourself that you were lied to and ate it up.
Saudi Arabia funds the fucking terror schools and they're your President's best friends. If you can't see something fucked up about that then you're a God damn Stepford wife.
Originally posted by Roger I can't believe that some people, despite all what Bush has done, are still dumb enough to support him.
Some people can never admit they were wrong. Millions have died to support one man's pride, I'm not talking about Bush, just other bufoons before him that led the sheep astray.
Look at real life. You just can't admit you fell for the obvious lies about the WMD and his connection to terrorists. It's nothing to be ashamed of, other governments bought it for Christ sake, but it's time to admit it to yourself that you were lied to and ate it up.
Saudi Arabia funds the fucking terror schools and they're your President's best friends. If you can't see something fucked up about that then you're a God damn Stepford wife.
Granted I am not sure if there were WMD's this time when we went in, I am not privy to that info, however, there is concrete proof he had WMD's during the first gulf war, and lets face it Saddam is not one to change.
The fact of the matter is that regardless of the reasons for invading Iraq, WMD's etc, removing him from power was a step forward in the fight against terrorism and his regime that killed so many. Funny how the approval raiting for Bush in Iraq is 50+% even today.
Originally posted by AcidMax Do you not think the missles fired into Kuwait, the mass graves and the killing of Kurds is terror, oh thats right its just "surivival of the fittest"
Do you not think that taking over another country is terror? Do you not think that supporting Saddam while he was throwing all this shit on Iranians as terror? Of course not.
Do you not think the missles fired into Kuwait, the mass graves and the killing of Kurds is terror, oh thats right its just "surivival of the fittest"
When you said 'terror around the globe' I thought you ment just that. I don't support what he's done, but America, Israel, Turkey and others have generated just as much 'terror' in recent history.
Originally posted by Roger I can't believe that some people, despite all what Bush has done, are still dumb enough to support him.
You're right we should support a fucked up leftist government that downsized our military, cared more about making themselves look good instead of improving our educational system like they said they would and spent more time being passive providing people like Usama Bin Ladden the leverage to attack us on Sept. 11th.
How could anyone believe that Al Qaeda prepared this attack within 9mos after GW getting elected, maybe instead of Clinton getting a hummer he should have been more strict on foreign affairs.
Do you not think that taking over another country is terror? Do you not think that supporting Saddam while he was throwing all this shit on Iranians as terror? Of course not.
Terror is terror, do you feel that him being removed from power was a bad thing?
When you said 'terror around the globe' I thought you ment just that. I don't support what he's done, but America, Israel, Turkey and others have generated just as much 'terror' in recent history.
That was just an example, look at the funds that filter to terrorist organizations, many are from Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Egypt etc. There are many countries that promote terrorism because they dont agree with the ideas of FREEDOM.
Originally posted by AcidMax You're right we should support a fucked up leftist government that downsized our military, cared more about making themselves look good instead of improving our educational system like they said they would and spent more time being passive providing people like Usama Bin Ladden the leverage to attack us on Sept. 11th.
Let me remind you that 9/11 happened when Bush was in power. So if another attack was to happen in the US, are you gonna publicly delcare that Bush is a useless incompetent?
How could anyone believe that Al Qaeda prepared this attack within 9mos after GW getting elected, maybe instead of Clinton getting a hummer he should have been more strict on foreign affairs.
You can whine on and on. Fact is, upon leaving, Clinton warned the administration that Ben Laden was getting very dangerous and needed to be dealt with. Nothing was done. Egypt and Israel sent him warnings and still he did nothing. Enough said.
"In his campaign, Bush had said he thought the biggest security issue was Iraq and a national missile defense," Clinton said. "I told him that in my opinion, the biggest security problem was Osama bin Laden."
Originally posted by cluck Now a reply to the Bush fans:
Did anyone protest us going into Afghanistan after 9/11? No, at least not many people. Why? Because it was obvious we had a job to do. We had to dismantle terrorist organizations and most importantly get Osama bin Laden.
When did Bush's critics come out of the woodwork? When he seemed to drop all of that and go after Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or Al Qaeda. In fact Al Qaeda hated saddam's secular regime. After all the money spent we got saddam. Hooray! Too bad Al Qaeda's been growing that whole time.
I think I speak for all the lefties when I saw go fight the war on terror. Don't fight other wars in the name of the war on terror. Got sidetracked once and now Al Qaeda's shown they're active again. Whoops!
Mutt I can 100% support the war on terror that is not a question... the question is WTF did Iraq have to do with the war on terror? We will now be stuck in Iraq for a long time, we arn't get out of there any time soon.. So we have troops in Afgan and Iraq.. What happens if we have trouble else where? What if shit starts to happen in Kossovo again?
If we wouldn't have gotten involved in Iraq we could have finished the job in Afgan.. Then moved to the next target.. Right now we can't do both, this is why Afgan is pretty much a forgoten thing and in 10 years there will still be terrorists there.
In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.
Originally posted by 12clicks cluck, would you like to read some facts and then edit your post so you don't look so dopey?
oh look, its little Roger all out of brains and facts falling back to the typical liberal position of calling his betters "Nazis"
hahaha, you win that one roger
I'm sure you can find way more terrorists in any other country. Is that all? That guy could've gone and lived in any other country and he wouldn't have been arrested because of the OSLO peace accord. Name me one terrorist attack this guy have launched since then. Enough said. He committed no crime in Iraq and therefore Saddam didn't arrest him.
I call people nazi when they throw anti-french, anti-semitic, anti-any race insults and rightfully so.
I'm sure you can find way more terrorists in any other country. Is that all? That guy could've gone and lived in any other country and he wouldn't have been arrested because of the OSLO peace accord. Name me one terrorist attack this guy have launched since then. Enough said.
see dope, I knew you'd change the question from his connection to terror to his connection to terror "lately"
that's why I posted this: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=1309
you really should quit this, you're out of your league. badly.
Originally posted by Roger I call people nazi when they throw anti-french, anti-semitic, anti-any race insults and rightfully so.
you quit high school to sling porn didn't you?
france is not a race no matter how much you want to twist it.
please, stop. I'm embarrassed for you.
I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.
so Iraq provided safe haven to some terrorists member of the Palestine Liberation Front... oh nooo... and since when the US cares about a terrorist members of the Palestine Liberation Front!??? Since one of the dead was an american in a wheel chair!!!! lol But now thats a reason they found to justify the invasion!??? lol Someone they couldnt have cared less if he added kill that american..! Oh btw... nearly every damn countries in the middle east provide safe haven to terrorists of all kind... Can wait for the massive invasion
so Iraq provided safe haven to some terrorists member of the Palestine Liberation Front... oh nooo... and since when the US cares about a terrorist members of the Palestine Liberation Front!??? Since one of the dead was an american in a wheel chair!!!! lol But now thats a reason they found to justify the invasion!??? lol Oh btw... nearly every damn countries in the middle east provide safe haven to terrorists of all kind... Can wait for the massive invasion
I love it when the children are proven wrong and they make a 50 word post that reall just says, "nuh uh"
I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.
so Iraq provided safe haven to some terrorists member of the Palestine Liberation Front... oh nooo... and since when the US cares about a terrorist members of the Palestine Liberation Front!??? Since one of the dead was an american in a wheel chair!!!! lol But now thats a reason they found to justify the invasion!??? lol Oh btw... nearly every damn countries in the middle east provide safe haven to terrorists of all kind... Can wait for the massive invasion
So you are saying "harboring a terrorist" or "supporting a terrorist" is just a minor offense as opposed to doing the actual bombing. Supporting terrorism is supporting terrorism.
So you are saying "harboring a terrorist" or "supporting a terrorist" is just a minor offense as opposed to doing the actual bombing. Supporting terrorism is supporting terrorism.
not in the gutless world of the liberal.
I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.
So you are saying "harboring a terrorist" or "supporting a terrorist" is just a minor offense as opposed to doing the actual bombing. Supporting terrorism is supporting terrorism.
since when the US cares about a terrorist members of the Palestine Liberation Front!??? Since one of the dead was an american in a wheel chair!!!! lol But now thats a reason they found to justify the invasion!??? lol Someone they couldnt have cared less if he added kill that american..!
YOu dont fucking invade a country because the guy gave safe haven to a terrorist members of the Palestine Liberation Front!! Wake the fuck up..!
Originally posted by 12clicks
you quit high school to sling porn didn't you?
france is not a race no matter how much you want to twist it.
please, stop. I'm embarrassed for you.
The link you provided mentions Saddam paying money to the families of suicide bombers so they can survive after the IDF throws them out of there house.
since when the US cares about a terrorist members of the Palestine Liberation Front!??? Since one of the dead was an american in a wheel chair!!!! lol But now thats a reason they found to justify the invasion!??? lol Someone they couldnt have cared less if he added kill that american..!
YOu dont fucking invade a country because the guy gave safe haven to a terrorist members of the Palestine Liberation Front!! Wake the fuck up..!
Man you make NOOOO sense. The americans care about people from other countries just as much as our own which is why we are helping in Panama, Haiti, Korea, Kuwait, Germany and other countries. This particular war was about terrorism on the world and genocide within a country, if you think this war was about a single US citizen you truly are an idiot.
It's about the greater good, and the world is a better place without Saddam regardless of the reasons, just as we will be better off when Usama takes a bullet.
I love it when the children are proven wrong and they make a 50 word post that reall just says, "nuh uh"
funny how you think you are smart... the sad part is you will never know you are wrong .. you just cant admit it to yourself...but others know.. you cant fool everybody.. lol
The link you provided mentions Saddam paying money to the families of suicide bombers so they can survive after the IDF throws them out of there house.
spin spin my liberal child.
Originally posted by Roger
The French are not a race?
I think you're confused by the tour de france
thats a french race.
I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.
The link you provided mentions Saddam paying money to the families of suicide bombers so they can survive after the IDF throws them out of there house.
The French are not a race?
no, neither are christians, buddhists, taoists, hindus, chinese, japanese, african, italian etc etc.
Originally posted by AcidMax So you are saying "harboring a terrorist" or "supporting a terrorist" is just a minor offense as opposed to doing the actual bombing. Supporting terrorism is supporting terrorism.
The guy was arrested long ago in Italy for his crime and then released. I didn't see anyone complain at the time but since he chose to live in Iraq afterwards all of a sudden he needs to be arrested again.
funny how you think you are smart... the sad part is you will never know you are wrong .. you just cant admit it to yourself...but others know.. you cant fool everybody.. lol
oops, my bad, I posted links to back up what I said, you just say I'm wrong.
son, hopefully after highschool, you'll have learned enough to not run with the dopey thoughts you now have.
I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.
Man you make NOOOO sense. The americans care about people from other countries just as much as our own which is why we are helping in Panama, Haiti, Korea, Kuwait, Germany and other countries. This particular war was about terrorism on the world and genocide within a country, if you think this war was about a single US citizen you truly are an idiot.
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Every fucking countries help other countries dimwit... same thing the poverty issue.. they give cookies when they should give trucks of meat!! And then they think they are so good!!
What as the US did in Rwanda? Do you know how many kids die each year of preventable causes around the world due to poverty!?? Over 10 millions!! Does the US.. and other countries for that matter cares? Wasnt Bush that was saying the US shoudl concentrate on his own problems before helping the world during his campaign..!?!?! You are out of your league... BYE!
" you think this war was about a single US citizen you truly are an idiot. "
Go read my post again genius... and try harder to understand..
well, I'm off to bed. I only moticed this thread because some poor moron used my name in vain.
of course, once here I felt the duty to slap around the idiot liberals before I left.
I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.
The guy was arrested long ago in Italy for his crime and then released. I didn't see anyone complain at the time but since he chose to live in Iraq afterwards all of a sudden he needs to be arrested again.
You might want to re-read my posts and edit your post. This isnt about a single person this is about the global fight on terror, period.
Originally posted by xxxdesign-net YOu dont fucking invade a country because the guy gave safe haven to a terrorist members of the Palestine Liberation Front!! Wake the fuck up..!
The guy was arrested and then released by Italy and he chose to go to Iraq. He was released and yet somehow Saddam was supposed to jail him.
Every fucking countries help other countries dimwit... they give cookies when they should give trucks of meat!! And then they think they are so good!!
What as the US did in Rwanda? Do you know how many kids die each year of preventable causes around the world due to poverty!?? Over 10 millions!! Does the US.. and other countries for that matter cares? Wasnt Bush that was saying the US shoudl concentrate on his own problems before helping the world during his campaign..!?!?! You are out of your league... BYE!
" you think this war was about a single US citizen you truly are an idiot. "
Go read my post again genius... and try harder to understand..
America does everything within its power to help other countries, yet I see countries like France, Germany et al., opposing the war against Iraq yet when it comes down to rebuilding Iraq and their economies they want a piece of the pie? Talk about self righteous, I agree America is not perfect, and we cannot be everything to everyone but I do believe you need to do some research about all the things the U.S. does accomplish and how we support many other countries, granted I dont know much about Rwanda, but out of my league? I dont think so.
Originally posted by AcidMax You might want to re-read my posts and edit your post. This isnt about a single person this is about the global fight on terror, period.
Once again, Saddam is not even the worst of dictators. Are we gonna go after the 50 or so others or not? Because I sure as hell don't see anyone going after Kim Jong. Heck we don't even mind Egypt's dictatorship and terror, the guy is even an important ally. Enough with the excuses. War on terror? Please, stick to war on terrorists to begin with, we're not even able to win a war on drugs, how about we start with a realistic objective this time?
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