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Before this turns into an argument on "what defines religion" and numbers of dead bodies, let's argue over some more iron-clad assumptions:
1. Defending your country (note the word DEFEND) stops at your borders. Just like defending your net in soccer doesn't mean going over to the opposing net and beating the holy crap out of their goalie. Anything else is simply invasion.
2. Not liking Bush's military, economic and foreign policy decisions doesn't mean you are a member of Hamas.
3. If I was taken to court, in the US, for murder, and my testimony was "I heard rumor that my neighbor had a gun and that he might point it at me, so I went to his house, kicked the door down and shot the sweet living fuck out of the place", I would not be found innocent by means of self defense. I would be guilty.
I'm Canadian. I like the US.
I don't like the fact that many US citizens think the French are "bad" for not supporting their weak reason to go to war, but Canada and a majority of other nations didn't support the cause either and we have yet to be berated.
I don't like the fact that the US is in a bubble and most Americans can't find Iraq on a map, or know anything other than what Fox News tells them.
I don't like the fact that nearly 3/4s of Americans think WMDs were found in Iraq.
I don't like the fact that the US Army is using the base at Guantanemo Bay to avoid War Crimes legislation laid out in the Geneva Convention.
Do I think terrorism is wrong? Sure. Does that making any and all means of lying, torturing and invasion justified if it's to "fight terrorism"? No. Is Iraq a part of the "War On Terror?" No. Do many Americans think there is some link between fighting terrorists and the invasion of Iraq? Yes.
Many Americans seem to think that rhetoric and conjecture are ample enough reasoning to justify any action taken by their country, and that all other nations are jealous. When I was at Internext I asked a few Americans what Iraq had to do with terorism. I hear anything from Iraq attacked the twin towers to Osama is part of the Iraqi government. Facts are taking a backseat to patriotism and chauvenism. Anyone that asks for any reasonable justification for proclamations such as "Iraq Supports Terror" are immediately asked why they hate freedom.
In the meantime, American backpackers are still wearing Canadian flags, Obese politicians that lead your country are busy renaming french fries in the capitol cafeteria.
As a reasonable person, wouldn't you find this all a cause for concern?
Enjoy your freedom fries.Comment
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As it stands right now, two nations side-by-side is undoable. No can do. Many are starting to propose the idea of a one nation but for many Israelis, that would defeat the purpose of a Jewish homeland.Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
For a second there.. I thought you guys were going to solve the Arab-Israel conflict within the first 2 pages of this thread
I propose one nation with two states. Equal rights, equal representation.Comment
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This is about the most intelligent thing i've read all day, how refreshing. Thanks!Originally posted by Agent White
Before this turns into an argument on "what defines religion" and numbers of dead bodies, let's argue over some more iron-clad assumptions:
1. Defending your country (note the word DEFEND) stops at your borders. Just like defending your net in soccer doesn't mean going over to the opposing net and beating the holy crap out of their goalie. Anything else is simply invasion.
2. Not liking Bush's military, economic and foreign policy decisions doesn't mean you are a member of Hamas.
3. If I was taken to court, in the US, for murder, and my testimony was "I heard rumor that my neighbor had a gun and that he might point it at me, so I went to his house, kicked the door down and shot the sweet living fuck out of the place", I would not be found innocent by means of self defense. I would be guilty.
I'm Canadian. I like the US.
I don't like the fact that many US citizens think the French are "bad" for not supporting their weak reason to go to war, but Canada and a majority of other nations didn't support the cause either and we have yet to be berated.
I don't like the fact that the US is in a bubble and most Americans can't find Iraq on a map, or know anything other than what Fox News tells them.
I don't like the fact that nearly 3/4s of Americans think WMDs were found in Iraq.
I don't like the fact that the US Army is using the base at Guantanemo Bay to avoid War Crimes legislation laid out in the Geneva Convention.
Do I think terrorism is wrong? Sure. Does that making any and all means of lying, torturing and invasion justified if it's to "fight terrorism"? No. Is Iraq a part of the "War On Terror?" No. Do many Americans think there is some link between fighting terrorists and the invasion of Iraq? Yes.
Many Americans seem to think that rhetoric and conjecture are ample enough reasoning to justify any action taken by their country, and that all other nations are jealous. When I was at Internext I asked a few Americans what Iraq had to do with terorism. I hear anything from Iraq attacked the twin towers to Osama is part of the Iraqi government. Facts are taking a backseat to patriotism and chauvenism. Anyone that asks for any reasonable justification for proclamations such as "Iraq Supports Terror" are immediately asked why they hate freedom.
In the meantime, American backpackers are still wearing Canadian flags, Obese politicians that lead your country are busy renaming french fries in the capitol cafeteria.
As a reasonable person, wouldn't you find this all a cause for concern?
Enjoy your freedom fries.Comment
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Yes they live by "castre" . That mean if you were born poor, you will stay poor all your life until you resurect . If you had a good life you will have more power in your next one . If you didn't you can become a stupid animal or something like that.Originally posted by Roger
Tibetans are starting to think about terrorism. There's a tibetan guy who wrote a book on the subject. He wants the people to start using terrorism because nobody in the world seems to give a damn about there peacefull protests.
indouhism is bad for indus because one race of indians is judged to be superior to another or something like that. I don't have much info on this subject but I saw parts of a documentary on it and they showed you how bad it can be.Originally posted by rayadp05Comment
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No actually Bush is doing this to avoid the laws of the US. The US doesn't believe in that guilty until proven innocent concept but Bush does so he sends people to Cuba at least until he can make sure that the supreme court won't get in his way anymore.Originally posted by Agent White
I don't like the fact that the US Army is using the base at Guantanemo Bay to avoid War Crimes legislation laid out in the Geneva Convention.Last edited by Roger; 03-14-2004, 01:53 PM.Comment
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Originally posted by Agent White
Enjoy your freedom fries.
Yes this was the dumbest thing they ever did . Good post overall btw
Originally posted by rayadp05Comment
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the whole point of religion is to control mass people without them realizing they are being controlled (kind of like cults)
religion = control.. and when religion controls a country... shit happens
which is why we need another president who loves blowjobs to take office instead of another christ finatic before everything completely goes to hellHAH! FOUND IT FRISComment
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Religion is anti-democratic.Originally posted by Napolean
which is why we need another president who loves blowjobs to take office instead of another christ finatic before everything completely goes to hellComment
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People WANT to get controlled by religion . They make the choice too . Nowdays if you don't want to go to church, it won't make any scandals in town like it would in the 1900's.Originally posted by Napolean
the whole point of religion is to control mass people without them realizing they are being controlled (kind of like cults)
religion = control.. and when religion controls a country... shit happens
which is why we need another president who loves blowjobs to take office instead of another christ finatic before everything completely goes to hellOriginally posted by rayadp05Comment
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i agree, bush and co need to chill the fuck out.Originally posted by Napolean
which is why we need another president who loves blowjobs to take office instead of another christ fanatic before everything completely goes to hellComment
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Very well stated. If this subject comes up again, lets just link to this post.Originally posted by Agent White
Before this turns into an argument on "what defines religion" and numbers of dead bodies, let's argue over some more iron-clad assumptions:
1. Defending your country (note the word DEFEND) stops at your borders. Just like defending your net in soccer doesn't mean going over to the opposing net and beating the holy crap out of their goalie. Anything else is simply invasion.
2. Not liking Bush's military, economic and foreign policy decisions doesn't mean you are a member of Hamas.
3. If I was taken to court, in the US, for murder, and my testimony was "I heard rumor that my neighbor had a gun and that he might point it at me, so I went to his house, kicked the door down and shot the sweet living fuck out of the place", I would not be found innocent by means of self defense. I would be guilty.
I'm Canadian. I like the US.
I don't like the fact that many US citizens think the French are "bad" for not supporting their weak reason to go to war, but Canada and a majority of other nations didn't support the cause either and we have yet to be berated.
I don't like the fact that the US is in a bubble and most Americans can't find Iraq on a map, or know anything other than what Fox News tells them.
I don't like the fact that nearly 3/4s of Americans think WMDs were found in Iraq.
I don't like the fact that the US Army is using the base at Guantanemo Bay to avoid War Crimes legislation laid out in the Geneva Convention.
Do I think terrorism is wrong? Sure. Does that making any and all means of lying, torturing and invasion justified if it's to "fight terrorism"? No. Is Iraq a part of the "War On Terror?" No. Do many Americans think there is some link between fighting terrorists and the invasion of Iraq? Yes.
Many Americans seem to think that rhetoric and conjecture are ample enough reasoning to justify any action taken by their country, and that all other nations are jealous. When I was at Internext I asked a few Americans what Iraq had to do with terorism. I hear anything from Iraq attacked the twin towers to Osama is part of the Iraqi government. Facts are taking a backseat to patriotism and chauvenism. Anyone that asks for any reasonable justification for proclamations such as "Iraq Supports Terror" are immediately asked why they hate freedom.
In the meantime, American backpackers are still wearing Canadian flags, Obese politicians that lead your country are busy renaming french fries in the capitol cafeteria.
As a reasonable person, wouldn't you find this all a cause for concern?
Enjoy your freedom fries.Comment
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ohh man, you dont know shitOriginally posted by Roger
Arab-Israeli workers in Israel have to wear a red sign to identify them as such. Kinda like what Hitler was doing to the Jews. I believe he made them wear a yellow sign. And for some people, Sharon ain't crazy enough
and i dont have time to explain
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must be pretty complex, got a link?Originally posted by yeviking
ohh man, you dont know shit
and i dont have time to explain
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thats fucking jokes LOLOriginally posted by Ic3m4nZ
Pissed off because 11 Israelis died today
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The United States rules the world, and most people don't like being owned.
If you think Americans are the devil, then it just shows you are not sharp enough to play the game. Chances are, your country loves being owned because it makes it alot easier for them to screw you and blame it on the U.S.
Handing out candy to the kids on 911 has alot more to do with channeling anger and maintaining power than it does with rejoicing in the death of Americans.
Different levels of everything in this world.
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Let's stop pointing fingers and blaming terrorist attacks on who ever. Are we also having war here?Comment
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Please. War will stop if it starts with us.Comment
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where did you hear this bullshit?Originally posted by Roger
Arab-Israeli workers in Israel have to wear a red sign to identify them as such. Kinda like what Hitler was doing to the Jews. I believe he made them wear a yellow sign. And for some people, Sharon ain't crazy enough
because, It's totally un trueComment
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when the United States attacked Afghanistan following 9/11, did that make them terrorists? (many innocent civilians died following the atacks)Originally posted by slackologist
palestinians see the israeli military/government as terrorists and feel the same way, nice situation, refer back to my other post.Comment
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Saw it in a newspaper a few weeks ago. There was even a picture of arab-israeli construction workers with a red sign on there hat. Maybe I misunderstood? It's possible but please explain.Originally posted by alexg
where did you hear this bullshit?
because, It's totally un true
Oh here's a Haaretz article.
Not a week goes by and we discover that the security officer of the Knesset is marking Israeli Arab construction workers with a red mark, so that his staff will be able to identify them and ensure that they - the security threat - are kept far from the leaders of the Jewish people.Last edited by Roger; 03-15-2004, 10:56 AM.Comment
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Maybe untrue, but sure looks real!!!!Originally posted by alexg
where did you hear this bullshit?
because, It's totally un true
http://www.maarivenglish.com/index.c...articleID=4287?X? marks the Israeli-Arab workers at Knesset building site
Hard hats worn by Israeli-Arab builders of the Knesset's new wing marked with a red ?X? -- to aid security snipers. ADL criticizes move; speaker Rivlin orders practice stopped.
Boaz Gaon
Hope the source satisfies your credibility issue.I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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first of all, Haaretz is known in it's journalists' ultra left political views...Originally posted by Roger
I have seen hundreds of arab construction workers, and none of them had any signs what so ever... I'm sure that this statement was being used completely in the wrong context, because if such thing were decided by the Knesset, the Israeli supreme court would immediately stop it from happenning...
Please show me the picture of the arab construction worker, so I can see what it's all about...Comment
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ok, now it looks clear...Originally posted by directfiesta
http://www.maarivenglish.com/index.c...articleID=4287
Hope the source satisfies your credibility issue.
ok, first of all, the issue is arab construction workers who work at rebuilding the Knesset, the Israeli parlament, probably the number 1 site that needs strict security... It has already been proven that israeli arabs help palestinian bombers in reaching their goals when on a suicide mission.
I think it is very democratic of Israel to let arab workers work in the Knesset...
can you imagine jewish people building a palestinian authority building?Comment
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but really, ok, I agree that this particular issue is problematic, but why are you looking to find every small possible mistake that Israel makes, when some things are so obvious about the other side..
I'm sure, I could find some american or any other democratic country's rules that hurt a group of people in some way...Comment
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I don't think anyone here supports Bin Laden, but I do think you're a fanatic. Fanatism is wrong no matter what you're supporting. I feel for Madrid victims, I feel for twin towers victims, I feel for the victims of palestinian bombings and I feel for the victims of Israel massacres. Blood has no color, only racists and fanatics who strive to condone all this murder are the ones who are happy when the murdered are those they call "enemies", which, by the way, 99% of times are inocent civiliansComment
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The only thing obvious to me is that they're both wrong and most importantly, nobody in the world seems to give a damn about both of them as long as they're not killing each other. It's sad that we only react to terror and do nothing at all to prevent it.Originally posted by alexg
but really, ok, I agree that this particular issue is problematic, but why are you looking to find every small possible mistake that Israel makes, when some things are so obvious about the other side..
I'm sure, I could find some american or any other democratic country's rules that hurt a group of people in some way...
Israel will be pulling out a little from Gaza soon if I'm not mistaken? The PA is in no position to take over, and yet do you see anyone willing to help and give training to Palestinian police officers? No, nobocy cares but they all love to comment when the IDF does something awfull or a suicide bomber blows himself up.Last edited by Roger; 03-15-2004, 11:40 AM.Comment
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Originally posted by Agent White
1. Defending your country (note the word DEFEND) stops at your borders. Just like defending your net in soccer doesn't mean going over to the opposing net and beating the holy crap out of their goalie. Anything else is simply invasion.
Hopefully we will remember that if Canada has some catastrophe.
The only reason your ass is safe is because you are our bording country. Your military couldn't take the Cub Scouts of America.
I have done joint training with the Canadian military and they were pathetic. Nothing but a bunch of whiners.We are what we repeatedly do.-AristotleComment
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some things in life are just too complex for some...Originally posted by alexg
I'm just sick of seeing people blame every terrorism atack on George Bush, and Israel... It seems that every horrible atack (like the one in Spain recently) only serves you as a "proof" of your stupid point.
You support primitive religious fanatics, who have no value of life what so ever. How can a normal human being wrap a bomb around himself and press the button, believing he'll benefit from living in heaven and fucking 70 fucking virgins!
I start to think that the only way in which you could possibly understant your mistake, is if you move to live in a place like Afghanistan, or Syria... then you'll say something againts your regime, and surprise, you'll be hanged in the center of the town, while thousands of sub-humans are cheering...
Stop posting non-sense please...Comment
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Right on....Originally posted by alan-l
I don't think anyone here supports Bin Laden, but I do think you're a fanatic. Fanatism is wrong no matter what you're supporting. I feel for Madrid victims, I feel for twin towers victims, I feel for the victims of palestinian bombings and I feel for the victims of Israel massacres. Blood has no color, only racists and fanatics who strive to condone all this murder are the ones who are happy when the murdered are those they call "enemies", which, by the way, 99% of times are inocent civilians
And Alexg. the " hard hat" thing I don't know much about, so I really only posted requested info, without any comments ... Maybe it is justified, I just don't know.
Have to go, my flight to Kabul leaves in 2 hours....
I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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first, 100% of the palestinian bombings are innocent civilians, and at least 80% of the Israeli military actions' victims are terrorists.Originally posted by alan-l
I don't think anyone here supports Bin Laden, but I do think you're a fanatic. Fanatism is wrong no matter what you're supporting. I feel for Madrid victims, I feel for twin towers victims, I feel for the victims of palestinian bombings and I feel for the victims of Israel massacres. Blood has no color, only racists and fanatics who strive to condone all this murder are the ones who are happy when the murdered are those they call "enemies", which, by the way, 99% of times are inocent civilians
second, on what do you base your opinion that I'm a fanatic...
In my opinion that's called patriotism...Comment
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Originally posted by directfiesta
Right on....
And Alexg. the " hard hat" thing I don't know much about, so I really only posted requested info, without any comments ... Maybe it is justified, I just don't know.
Have to go, my flight to Kabul leaves in 2 hours....
enjoy your stayComment
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the religious right must be hurt in the next decade.
we should start by taking out people like Mel Gibson who are still sattracting generations with religious fodder.
PAGAN JIHAD MOTHER FUCKERS
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s819685.htm
fuck these peopl.
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Oh yeah, I'm sure that if it wasn't for you, Canada wouldn't be able to survive.Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
Hopefully we will remember that if Canada has some catastrophe.
The only reason your ass is safe is because you are our bording country. Your military couldn't take the Cub Scouts of America.
I have done joint training with the Canadian military and they were pathetic. Nothing but a bunch of whiners.Comment
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Itzhak Rabin RIP has already "helped" the palestinian authority and police, hell, he even caused the return of Arafat who was exiled in Tunisia, and what do we receive?Originally posted by Roger
The only thing obvious to me is that they're both wrong and most importantly, nobody in the world seems to give a damn about both of them as long as they're not killing each other. It's sad that we only react to terror and do nothing at all to prevent it.
Israel will be pulling out a little from Gaza soon if I'm not mistaken? The PA is in no position to take over, and yet do you see anyone willing to help and give training to Palestinian police officers? No, nobocy cares but they all love to comment when the IDF does something awfull or a suicide bomber blows himself up.
All the weapons Rabin gave the palestinians to prevent terrorism, are used today to kill Israeli civiliansComment
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why do you see this as nonsense?Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
some things in life are just too complex for some...
Stop posting non-sense please...Comment
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As a result of his actions to help Palestinians, an Israeli with the same political affiliation as Sharon killed him. All of Rabin's efforts went in vain because of some crazy religious extremists. And what's stupid is that both Palestinians and Israelis let themselves be ruled by terror.Originally posted by alexg
Itzhak Rabin RIP has already "helped" the palestinian authority and police, hell, he even caused the return of Arafat who was exiled in Tunisia, and what do we receive?
All the weapons Rabin gave the palestinians to prevent terrorism, are used today to kill Israeli civilians
Fact is, the PA has pretty much collapsed now. The IDF is in there, how come they haven't gotten rid of the terrorists already? I thought that they'd have done there job and eliminated terror. Yet for some reason, perhaps sheer incompetence, they didn't and are constantly whining and blaming the PA for being unable to crack down on terrorists. How exactly do you expect the PA to do something that the IDF is unable to do?
I'm only saying that no matter who's right or wrong, a solution should be found. I can criticize but I can't honestly say that I would have acted differently if I was born in Israel or Palestine. This whole situation is not sane for adults and especially not for kids. I would like to see Israel become one country with two provinces. At this time, one country seems to be the only viable solution.Last edited by Roger; 03-15-2004, 12:00 PM.Comment
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This really makes me mad! How can you compare this crazy religious extrimist to Ariel Sharon? Ariel Sharon is not at all religious, and would never support a killing of a prime minister, no matter what political views he holds...Originally posted by Roger
As a result of his actions to help Palestinians, an Israeli with the same political affiliation as Sharon killed him. All of Rabin's efforts went in vain because of some crazy religious extremists.
Both Ariel Sharon and Itzhak Rabin held major positions in the IDF, I'm sure this will surprise you, but Rabin was a real fighter, and actively participated in wars holding central positions...Comment
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I'm sure he doesn't. That's why he keeps considering killing Arafat.Originally posted by alexg
This really makes me mad! How can you compare this crazy religious extrimist to Ariel Sharon? Ariel Sharon is not at all religious, and would never support a killing of a prime minister, no matter what political views he holds...Comment
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and you compare Itzhak Rabin to Yasser Arafat?
first, Arafat is not a prime minister, he is a terorist and a dictator...
It would make my day if Sharon did decide to take him off for good....
btw, the dude received nobel prize wearing a military uniform... do some math ..Comment
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I'm comparing Rabin to Arafat?Originally posted by alexg
and you compare Itzhak Rabin to Yasser Arafat?
first, Arafat is not a prime minister, he is a terorist and a dictator...
It would make my day if Sharon did decide to take him off for good....
btw, the dude received nobel prize wearing a military uniform... do some math ..
As unfortunate as it is, if it wasn't for terrorism there wouldn't be an Israel, and if it wasn't for Arafat's terrorism at the time, the Palestinians wouldn't be currently in Palestine to begin with, they'd still be in exile.
You propose the assassination of the leader of another country and yet you're no criminal
Is that your whole peacefull plan? Getting rid of Arafat? That's it? Nothing next?Last edited by Roger; 03-15-2004, 12:31 PM.Comment
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first, there is currently no country named Palestine. Second, Arafat is not doing his job as a leader, and he has been proven to support terrorist activities. I believe that his assasination would cause less funding and support to terrorism, therefore I would like it to happenOriginally posted by Roger
I'm comparing Rabin to Arafat?
As unfortunate as it is, if it wasn't for terrorism there wouldn't be an Israel, and if it wasn't for Arafat's terrorism at the time, the Palestinians wouldn't be currently in Palestine to begin with, they'd still be in exile.
You propose the assassination of the leader of another country and yet you're no criminal
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Yeah, that's what believers in a so called holly land usually say. Oh and Sharon is doing his job as a leader? Terror should've been stopped by now and peace should've kicked in and yet it didn't. Looks like he's as useless as his neighbour.Originally posted by alexg
first, there is currently no country named Palestine. Second, Arafat is not doing his job as a leader, and he has been proven to support terrorist activities. I believe that his assasination would cause less funding and support to terrorism, therefore I would like it to happen.
Oh yeah, I'm sure Arafat is very active in funding terror. Geez, can't even stop a surrounded guy from funding terror? I'm impressed.
And what exactly do you call building settlements and giving financial incentive for poor Jews to move in there?Comment
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Sharon would have done much better job in stopping terrorism if not for pressure from the european union, america and the left parties in israel. As in every denmocratic country, the leader is not authorised to do everythingOriginally posted by Roger
Yeah, that's what believers in a so called holly land usually say. Oh and Sharon is doing his job as a leader? Terror should've been stopped by now and peace should've kicked in and yet it didn't. Looks like he's as useless as his neighbour.
Oh yeah, I'm sure Arafat is very active in funding terror. Geez, can't even stop a surrounded guy from funding terror? I'm impressed.
And what exactly do you call building settlements and giving financial incentive for poor Jews to move in there?Comment
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