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  • TheMaster
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    • Nov 2003
    • 2734
    #201
    Originally posted by BradM


    I mean, they're all a bunch of rag heads and negros anyways - right theking?

    I think the word is "sand ******"

    running around in hoods around a burning cross, killing abortion doctors, burning down clinics and fucking those juicy catholic school boys while the wife stays at home ... ah life is great in the conservative paradise

    to the conservative wing


    wow 250th post and my 600th and that wasted on theking, what a shame

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      • Centurion
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        • Dec 2002
        • 6033
        #202
        Originally posted by Lev
        This all leads to that dumb headed ape asstwat Bush, who some how turned the whole world against America. He has NO diplomatic training, no brains and no clue about foreign relations and policy. Bush is a shame to America and its people. With his "war against terrorism" (which was created to achieve his and his administration's imperialistic goals) created more hatred, harm than good. I am sorry but "bring it on" does not sound like words that should come out of a President's mouth.
        Then WHY..why why does this man seem to STILL have so much support among Americans?

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          • theking
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            • Sep 2002
            • 21053
            #203
            Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
            TheKing is a Bush ass kisser. He'll never admit Bush's policies are bad for America's future.
            I do not like many of President Bush's policies...thus he...once again will not get my vote.
            When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

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              • BradM
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                • Dec 2003
                • 3397
                #204
                Originally posted by TheMaster
                I think the word is "sand ******"
                Whoops, my bad. I don't keep up with all the slang these kids have these days.

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                  • Centurion
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                    • Dec 2002
                    • 6033
                    #205
                    Originally posted by LittleMack


                    Right on, if Clinton did not cut our defense and intelligence budget and he had some balls, we would not be in this mess.

                    How simplistic...and how WRONG you are in that analysis.

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                      • TheMaster
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                        • Nov 2003
                        • 2734
                        #206
                        Originally posted by Centurion


                        Then WHY..why why does this man seem to STILL have so much support among Americans?
                        because a lot of them, think that intelligent and well educated are bad words

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                          • BradM
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                            • Dec 2003
                            • 3397
                            #207
                            Originally posted by TheMaster
                            intelligent
                            !!!!!! You fucking sand ****** you just said the "i" word!
                            I'm telling mom, y'all!!!!!

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                              • TheMaster
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                                • Nov 2003
                                • 2734
                                #208
                                Originally posted by BradM


                                Whoops, my bad. I don't keep up with all the slang these kids have these days.

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                                  • Centurion
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                                    • Dec 2002
                                    • 6033
                                    #209
                                    Originally posted by LittleMack


                                    Don't want to get into a pissing match but what did diplomacy under Clinton get us............... 9/11. I cant stand here and believe that we should of done nothing. 3000 of our citizens were murdered by a bunch of radical Muslim fundamentalists, that are supported by governments in the Middle East. Here is the scenario, You punch me in the face, I just stand there, you punch me again in the face, I want to talk to see what is wrong, you punch me again, I say hey lets work this out.....when do you fight back. Fuck that, if you hit us, we hit back and hard. Pearl Harbor is a great point in fact. AHHHHHHHHHH. I wish and pray that the world is a peaceful place, but it is not and never will be. And on the 6-7 years they were planned, they were under a Liberal President, no matter who we have in office they hate us. They need to be eradicated from the face of this Earth!!!!!
                                    You REALLY do not have any understanding of history do you? Or you live in an alternative universe where THAT President Clinton sat in on the ENTIRE PLANNING for these attacks and with FULL knowledge that it was going to happen..did nothing!


                                    IDIOTIC!!

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                                      • slackologist
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                                        • Jul 2002
                                        • 2379
                                        #210
                                        Originally posted by Centurion



                                        How simplistic...and how WRONG you are in that analysis.
                                        it's to be expected, this is gfy after all.

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                                          • theking
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                                            • Sep 2002
                                            • 21053
                                            #211
                                            Originally posted by BradM


                                            Not Bush nessicarily. But he's so far republican(ignorant) he would never consider "talking problems through".
                                            Rather see the country bombed.

                                            I mean, they're all a bunch of rag heads and negros anyways - right theking?
                                            I am not a Republican...and as for your last snide remark...it is yours not mine...BTW
                                            When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

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                                              • Centurion
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                                                • 6033
                                                #212
                                                Originally posted by theking


                                                Wrong...Iraq openly supported multiple terrorist orgs in Palestine.
                                                Hey retard..they're talking about the terrorists who hit us on 9/11!

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                                                  • BradM
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                                                    • Dec 2003
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                                                    #213
                                                    Originally posted by theking


                                                    I am not a Republican...and as for your last snide remark...it is yours not mine...BTW
                                                    No worries. ;)

                                                    This is a political debate I just took it too far.

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                                                      • theking
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                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                        • 21053
                                                        #214
                                                        Originally posted by Centurion


                                                        Hey retard..they're talking about the terrorists who hit us on 9/11!
                                                        You may be (not comprehending once again)...but after 9/11 the US declared war on "GLOBAL" terrorism...not just on al Qeada. A war that some in the administration said would last for as long as ten years...and others have said as long as thirty years. Get used to the idea.
                                                        When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

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                                                          • TheMaster
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                                                            • Nov 2003
                                                            • 2734
                                                            #215
                                                            Originally posted by theking


                                                            I am not a Republican...and as for your last snide remark...it is yours not mine...BTW

                                                            can I ask what you are then? I mean you make those cowboy-tractor pulling dad remarks by the dozen and that's why people think you're a real bonafide republican

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                                                              • Roger
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                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                • 3181
                                                                #216
                                                                Originally posted by LittleMack
                                                                Don't want to get into a pissing match but what did diplomacy under Clinton get us............... 9/11. I cant stand here and believe that we should of done nothing. 3000 of our citizens were murdered by a bunch of radical Muslim fundamentalists, that are supported by governments in the Middle East. Here is the scenario, You punch me in the face, I just stand there, you punch me again in the face, I want to talk to see what is wrong, you punch me again, I say hey lets work this out.....when do you fight back. Fuck that, if you hit us, we hit back and hard. Pearl Harbor is a great point in fact. AHHHHHHHHHH. I wish and pray that the world is a peaceful place, but it is not and never will be. And on the 6-7 years they were planned, they were under a Liberal President, no matter who we have in office they hate us. They need to be eradicated from the face of this Earth!!!!!
                                                                Gotta remind you that 9/11 happened under Bush and he stood there and promoted those who screwed up and Tenet is still head of the CIA even after all those fuck ups. Not to mention that he ignored warning after warning from his allies.

                                                                Obviously they haven't been eradicated from the face of this earth because you have an idiot in power who prefers to go and bully weak dictators like Saddam instead of concentrating on the task at hand.

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                                                                  • Roger
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                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                    • 3181
                                                                    #217
                                                                    Originally posted by LittleMack
                                                                    Are you kidding me???? WTF, what should we do, just stick our fucking heads in the sand and bow down to these terrorist mother fuckers????? Fuck that, we were attacked and 3000 people, yes, lets all remember that 3000 of our US citizens were murdered. I am proud to be an American and we need to fight this fight. GodDamn man, if we did nothing then we would of been hit again and again and again. Look at Israel. Those poor people have suffered forever. Never give up. I say nuke the fucking bastards!!
                                                                    Yeah, look at Israel, what makes you think that by following there footsteps and doing the same thing they do against terror, you'll have more success? Cheer luck?

                                                                    As unfortunate as it sounds, if it wasn't for terrorism, Israel nor Palestine would exist.

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                                                                      • TheMaster
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                                                                        • Nov 2003
                                                                        • 2734
                                                                        #218
                                                                        Originally posted by Roger


                                                                        Gotta remind you that 9/11 happened under Bush and he stood there and promoted those who screwed up and Tenet is still head of the CIA even after all those fuck ups. Not to mention that he ignored warning after warning from his allies.

                                                                        Obviously they haven't been eradicated from the face of this earth because you have an idiot in power who prefers to go and bully weak dictators like Saddam instead of concentrating on the task at hand.
                                                                        woohoo you go boy

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                                                                          • theking
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                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                            • 21053
                                                                            #219
                                                                            Originally posted by TheMaster



                                                                            can I ask what you are then? I mean you make those cowboy-tractor pulling dad remarks by the dozen and that's why people think you're a real bonafide republican
                                                                            My political persuasion is that of a moderate...with liberal leanings but I am strong on defense...defense spending...defense R&D...and I supported the take down of Saddam. I personally favored doing it within the first year of the cease fire. I also support changing the face of the middle east which is what we are attempting to do in Iraq.

                                                                            I will reluctantly be voting for Kerry (unless he makes a bigger ass of himself than he already has then I just may not vote)...but I think it is a shame that is what the Democrats came up with. I also was not a big fan of Al Gore...but he is who I voted for.
                                                                            When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

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                                                                              • slackologist
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                                                                                #220
                                                                                Originally posted by theking


                                                                                My political persuasion is that of a moderate...with liberal leanings but I am strong on defense...defense spending...defense R&D...and I supported the take down of Saddam. I personally favored doing it within the first year of the cease fire. I also support changing the face of the middle east which is what we are attempting to do in Iraq.

                                                                                I will reluctantly be voting for Kerry (unless he makes a bigger ass of himself than he already has then I just may not vote)...but I think it is a shame that is what the Democrats came up with. I also was not a big fan of Al Gore...but he is who I voted for.
                                                                                So you won't vote for Bush?

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                                                                                  • slackologist
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                                                                                    #221
                                                                                    what will Kerry or anyone else do for you that isn't satisfied by what Bush is doing/will do?

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                                                                                      • Centurion
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                                                                                        • Dec 2002
                                                                                        • 6033
                                                                                        #222
                                                                                        Originally posted by theking


                                                                                        You may be (not comprehending once again)...but after 9/11 the US declared war on "GLOBAL" terrorism...not just on al Qeada. A war that some in the administration said would last for as long as ten years...and others have said as long as thirty years. Get used to the idea.
                                                                                        And you continue to links losing ideas together!
                                                                                        War in Iraq is justified cuz we have a "global" war on terrorism!

                                                                                        Of course you just missed a few steps in showing that the war in Iraq is a part of the war on terrorism. But then, you live in that huge estate of yours living a dream world or your own.

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                                                                                          • theking
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                                                                                            • Sep 2002
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                                                                                            #223
                                                                                            Originally posted by slackologist


                                                                                            So you won't vote for Bush?
                                                                                            No.
                                                                                            When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

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                                                                                              • TheMaster
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                                                                                                #224
                                                                                                [B]Originally posted by theking [/i]


                                                                                                I also support changing the face of the middle east which is what we are attempting to do in Iraq.
                                                                                                ever asked yourself, whether it's your right to do this, especially by broadscale invasions? Do you really think this is the way to go? Don't you think this will result in even more hatred against the US. Wasn't the UN created to make war in the long run absolete and to try and resolve the problems in a peacefull way?

                                                                                                By your logic, my country has the right to invade the US, based on the fact that we don't like the way the US is evolving. I don't like BUsh, he's a conservative freak, who doesn't recognize the fundamentel equality of gays, so we should overthrow him from abroad?

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                                                                                                  • Centurion
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                                                                                                    • 6033
                                                                                                    #225
                                                                                                    Originally posted by theking


                                                                                                    My political persuasion is that of a moderate
                                                                                                    What you are trying to say is that you THINK you are a moderate militarist..the thought of gunfire gives you an automatic woody!

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                                                                                                      • BradM
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                                                                                                        #226
                                                                                                        Originally posted by TheMaster
                                                                                                        By your logic, my country has the right to invade the US, based on the fact that we don't like the way the US is evolving. I don't like BUsh, he's a conservative freak, who doesn't recognize the fundamentel equality of gays, so we should overthrow him from abroad?
                                                                                                        Bingo

                                                                                                        But wait... nooooo that is terrorism.
                                                                                                        ACK!!! No it cant be.. the US are good guys.
                                                                                                        Point proven.. dont for the night

                                                                                                        Thanks TheMaster
                                                                                                        icq me: 21096906

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                                                                                                          • Centurion
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                                                                                                            #227
                                                                                                            Originally posted by TheMaster


                                                                                                            I don't like BUsh, he's a conservative freak, who doesn't recognize the fundamentel equality of gays, so we should overthrow him from abroad?
                                                                                                            Would you please?

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                                                                                                              • TheMaster
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                                                                                                                • 2734
                                                                                                                #228
                                                                                                                Originally posted by BradM


                                                                                                                Bingo

                                                                                                                But wait... nooooo that is terrorism.
                                                                                                                ACK!!! No it cant be.. the US are good guys.
                                                                                                                Point proven.. dont for the night

                                                                                                                Thanks TheMaster
                                                                                                                icq me: 21096906
                                                                                                                always glad to help my canadian brothers, I like people who have health care for all and believe in diplomacy

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                                                                                                                  • TheMaster
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                                                                                                                    • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                    • 2734
                                                                                                                    #229
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Centurion


                                                                                                                    Would you please?
                                                                                                                    okay, I'm starting the BAB, Belgians Against Bush, we are not a terrorist organisation, we are freedom fighters who wish to overthrow all the "democratic" megalomaniacal leaders in this world: Bush, Putin & Berlusconi. We'll bring them to the International War Crimes Tribunal in Den Hague

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                                                                                                                      • theking
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                                                                                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                        • 21053
                                                                                                                        #230
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by slackologist
                                                                                                                        what will Kerry or anyone else do for you that isn't satisfied by what Bush is doing/will do?
                                                                                                                        A good question isn't it? I dislike the Administration's economical and environmental polices. I dislike the Secretary of defense. I am disappointed with the Secretary of State. I don't like the head of the FBI and CIA. I do not like the Attorney General. I do not like most of the Judges that the Administration has been trying to push through and a few other complaints.

                                                                                                                        What improvement...if any...Kerry will be...is very debatable...but presumably there will be changes in the Cabinet and heads of important agencies.
                                                                                                                        When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

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                                                                                                                          • Cash
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                                                                                                                            • Feb 2002
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                                                                                                                            #231
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by TheMaster
                                                                                                                            ignorant fool: the man said it way before the attack. As many opposition parties have said it in the countries where the governments run after bush. This is just the first to get punished electorally for this, wake up, the world didn't want the Iraqi war, at least 90% of the Spaniards didn't.

                                                                                                                            If Bush just would have stick to fighting extremists, he would not have been into this trouble, but hel he wanted to slay the whore of Babylon, hopefully he also will get what he deserves.
                                                                                                                            I guess you are an ignorant fool - Spain's popular party was heading slightly in polls before the elections, and they were defeated becuase of this attack, islamists now know they can get involved directly in politics and try to change governments when they deal with weak fearful people.

                                                                                                                            The fact is that the islamic world hosts countless Islamic schools of BS fanatic propaganda to kids who grow as adults with one thing in their mind, how to destroy the evil western world. This is mainly because of lack of democracy. It's true the Arab societies nowadays hardly allow democracy, but Iraq in an attempt to do this, you miss the high stake - the possibility to transform these states in democracies and reduce the possible threat.

                                                                                                                            It seems now that Iraq test is about to fail, esp. after the US troops leave Iraq, but that was hard to know before the war, and it was good it was tried, if Iraq fails the world knows there is nothing that can change these Arab societies in these times, but that is due to this present attempt, otherwise it would have been just guesses and suppositions.

                                                                                                                            You don't like that the US went to war also for oil, but if they didn't control the area, you might see one day higher prices for oil in your country, inflation, etc. And you wouldn't like that.

                                                                                                                            The fact that these governments in the Middle East cannot make the oil policies/support terrorists as they would like to, is due to the American presence there.

                                                                                                                            The fact that Lybia gave up to terrorism, or so it seems, is due to US and UK pressures. With "tough" countries such as Spain and Belgium, he'd still be hosting evil guys ...
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                                                                                                                              • TheMaster
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                                                                                                                                #232
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Cash
                                                                                                                                [B]
                                                                                                                                I guess you are an ignorant fool
                                                                                                                                learn to read, the ignorant fool part was about the fact that the guy from the socialist party said it before the attacks, the ignorant fool in question implied that he said it because of the attacks

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                                                                                                                                  • jayeff
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                                                                                                                                    • May 2001
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                                                                                                                                    #233
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by theking
                                                                                                                                    I also support changing the face of the middle east which is what we are attempting to do in Iraq.
                                                                                                                                    In so far as the US has helped to keep the middle east unstable for more than 70 years, it could be said to have already changed the face of the region. Unfortunately, the consequences - hastened by the creation of Israel and its subsequent policies - have been the spread of Arab nationalism and Islamic fundamentalism.

                                                                                                                                    What baffles me about the stated US desire to return Iraq to democracy (apart from the basically fanciful nature of such attempts at social engineering), is that 60% of the country is Shi'ite. I'm not sure how you can have a democracy in a country that is driven by tribal and religious imperatives rather than tax breaks and avoid a Shi'ite government. Yet this would inevitably result in Iraq bridging the gap with Iran that the US has spent 30 years fostering. And in case anyone needs reminding, Iran thinks of the US as the "Great Satan" and still remembers when CIA agents were helping the Shah's secret police keep the Shah in power.

                                                                                                                                    Since it is hard to imagine that US foreign policy has really taken such a self-destructive path, it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that someone is playing fast and loose with exactly what democracy is going to mean in Iraq.

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                                                                                                                                      • davidd
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                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2003
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                                                                                                                                        #234
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by TheMaster


                                                                                                                                        ever asked yourself, whether it's your right to do this, especially by broadscale invasions? Do you really think this is the way to go? Don't you think this will result in even more hatred against the US. Wasn't the UN created to make war in the long run absolete and to try and resolve the problems in a peacefull way?

                                                                                                                                        By your logic, my country has the right to invade the US, based on the fact that we don't like the way the US is evolving. I don't like BUsh, he's a conservative freak, who doesn't recognize the fundamentel equality of gays, so we should overthrow him from abroad?
                                                                                                                                        The UN is a relic of the cold war. I am a progressive thinker, but shelving the sovereignty of a nation to toe the line with people who just can not tolerate you is a losing proposition.

                                                                                                                                        Europe, mainly France, has a chip on its shoulder. It used to be a world power, with the UK, and now is merely a state in the EU. Because of this, most of what they do is grand standing.

                                                                                                                                        Most of Western Europe, has slipped into the mentality of socialism mixed with hugs and kisses. You can not pussy foot with people who want to kill you.

                                                                                                                                        To continue to be under the mindset that we can sit around and sing hymnals and find each other shakras and eventually these people who want to kill will find inner peace is moronic.

                                                                                                                                        There are a group of people (most of the world) who have major issues with the US government, as do I. These issues are not the work of one man, George Bush, they are the work of a series of administrations. This country went from the Home of the Free, to the Land of the Minions in the last 50 years.

                                                                                                                                        The damage is done, and by air dropping Hallmark greeting cards and offer the olive branch will not resolve this issue.

                                                                                                                                        The US should consult with its 'allies' and should take all steps possible to be inclusive. The EU, on the otherhand, should not feel it their role to stop the US from doing things, just because the world views them as the leash that restrains the demented patient. During the Cold War there was an air of solidarity, which sadly disappeared as soon as the Soviet Union broke down.

                                                                                                                                        Eventually even the lillie pickers and peaceniks will realize this is a war. It will take massive blood in the steets and constant carnage, but eventually all of the western states will come around.

                                                                                                                                        Before the detractors step in, as I have said before I am not a Republican or a Democrat, I live most of my time outside of the US, I have been to Europe, and know the history through and through. Unfortunately, most people in this thread are motivated by deep seeded hatred for the US and are blinded by this hatred.

                                                                                                                                        -dd
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                                                                                                                                          • theking
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                                                                                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 21053
                                                                                                                                            #235
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by TheMaster


                                                                                                                                            ever asked yourself, whether it's your right to do this, especially by broadscale invasions? Do you really think this is the way to go? Don't you think this will result in even more hatred against the US. Wasn't the UN created to make war in the long run absolete and to try and resolve the problems in a peacefull way?

                                                                                                                                            By your logic, my country has the right to invade the US, based on the fact that we don't like the way the US is evolving. I don't like BUsh, he's a conservative freak, who doesn't recognize the fundamentel equality of gays, so we should overthrow him from abroad?
                                                                                                                                            The Middle East pe se is an enemy of the Western World. Middle Easterns have taken it upon themselves to attack USA assets multiple times abroad and have...at least twice...acutally attacked the CONUS. The UN has done zero to resolve the problem since the first attacks began. Diplomacy...as far as I am concerned ends when the first attacks began approximately two decades ago.

                                                                                                                                            Any country has the right to thwart perceived threats as well as respond to actual attacks...unfortunately most countries do not have the ability to do so...the USA does.

                                                                                                                                            So yes...we have every right...to attempt to neutralize/kill our enemies...and be damned to those that may not like it or interfere.
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                                                                                                                                              • theking
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                                                                                                                                                • Sep 2002
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                                                                                                                                                #236
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Centurion


                                                                                                                                                What you are trying to say is that you THINK you are a moderate militarist..the thought of gunfire gives you an automatic woody!
                                                                                                                                                Your comprehension level will forever be the same...non existent. I did not try to say...I said.
                                                                                                                                                When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

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                                                                                                                                                  • TheMaster
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                                                                                                                                                    #237
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Cash

                                                                                                                                                    I guess you are an ignorant fool - Spain's popular party was heading slightly in polls before the elections, and they were defeated becuase of this attack, islamists now know they can get involved directly in politics and try to change governments when they deal with weak fearful people.

                                                                                                                                                    The fact is that the islamic world hosts countless Islamic schools of BS fanatic propaganda to kids who grow as adults with one thing in their mind, how to destroy the evil western world. This is mainly because of lack of democracy. It's true the Arab societies nowadays hardly allow democracy, but Iraq in an attempt to do this, you miss the high stake - the possibility to transform these states in democracies and reduce the possible threat.

                                                                                                                                                    It seems now that Iraq test is about to fail, esp. after the US troops leave Iraq, but that was hard to know before the war, and it was good it was tried, if Iraq fails the world knows there is nothing that can change these Arab societies in these times, but that is due to this present attempt, otherwise it would have been just guesses and suppositions.

                                                                                                                                                    You don't like that the US went to war also for oil, but if they didn't control the area, you might see one day higher prices for oil in your country, inflation, etc. And you wouldn't like that.

                                                                                                                                                    The fact that these governments in the Middle East cannot make the oil policies/support terrorists as they would like to, is due to the American presence there.

                                                                                                                                                    The fact that Lybia gave up to terrorism, or so it seems, is due to US and UK pressures. With "tough" countries such as Spain and Belgium, he'd still be hosting evil guys ...
                                                                                                                                                    euh, brainwashed boy, do you really think Gadhafi was afraid of the US? This guy has done everything to stick it to the States for over 30 years. He always wanted to found a big united islamic country, in which he failed. It is also widely known that Ghadafi on gis old days wanted to get some respectability back coming to his end. He has been trying to do so for a couple of years now, the fact about the inspectations now, is more a victory for him than for anyone else, he got some respectability back and he was able to play the western media, what a cool interview it was indeed on CNN, yes he was trembling. Look through the Bush lies will you, oh yes, everthing is going well in Iraq.

                                                                                                                                                    BTW the rest of world knew the US was going to fuck it up, they have never been able to install a stable regime, they are bad at peace keeping, want to know why? 'cause too many think from the US point and not even consider the other side and act upon that feeling of superiority. You guys may still feel you are the revolutionairy country, the rest of the world sees you as the authority against whome we should wage a revolution against.

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                                                                                                                                                      • theking
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                                                                                                                                                        • Sep 2002
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                                                                                                                                                        #238
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by davidd


                                                                                                                                                        The UN is a relic of the cold war. I am a progressive thinker, but shelving the sovereignty of a nation to toe the line with people who just can not tolerate you is a losing proposition.

                                                                                                                                                        Europe, mainly France, has a chip on its shoulder. It used to be a world power, with the UK, and now is merely a state in the EU. Because of this, most of what they do is grand standing.

                                                                                                                                                        Most of Western Europe, has slipped into the mentality of socialism mixed with hugs and kisses. You can not pussy foot with people who want to kill you.

                                                                                                                                                        To continue to be under the mindset that we can sit around and sing hymnals and find each other shakras and eventually these people who want to kill will find inner peace is moronic.

                                                                                                                                                        There are a group of people (most of the world) who have major issues with the US government, as do I. These issues are not the work of one man, George Bush, they are the work of a series of administrations. This country went from the Home of the Free, to the Land of the Minions in the last 50 years.

                                                                                                                                                        The damage is done, and by air dropping Hallmark greeting cards and offer the olive branch will not resolve this issue.

                                                                                                                                                        The US should consult with its 'allies' and should take all steps possible to be inclusive. The EU, on the otherhand, should not feel it their role to stop the US from doing things, just because the world views them as the leash that restrains the demented patient. During the Cold War there was an air of solidarity, which sadly disappeared as soon as the Soviet Union broke down.

                                                                                                                                                        Eventually even the lillie pickers and peaceniks will realize this is a war. It will take massive blood in the steets and constant carnage, but eventually all of the western states will come around.

                                                                                                                                                        Before the detractors step in, as I have said before I am not a Republican or a Democrat, I live most of my time outside of the US, I have been to Europe, and know the history through and through. Unfortunately, most people in this thread are motivated by deep seeded hatred for the US and are blinded by this hatred.

                                                                                                                                                        -dd
                                                                                                                                                        Ahh...unlike Centurion...you comprehend and understand events...good post.
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                                                                                                                                                          • Roger
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                                                                                                                                                            #239
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by theking
                                                                                                                                                            My political persuasion is that of a moderate...with liberal leanings but I am strong on defense...defense spending...defense R&D...and I supported the take down of Saddam. I personally favored doing it within the first year of the cease fire. I also support changing the face of the middle east which is what we are attempting to do in Iraq.
                                                                                                                                                            Nice, and somehow you're supposedly better than terrorists? Or is it just okay for the US to constantly screw up the ME and then compalin about terrorism?

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                                                                                                                                                              • Mr.Fiction
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                                                                                                                                                                #240
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by slackologist
                                                                                                                                                                what will Kerry or anyone else do for you that isn't satisfied by what Bush is doing/will do?
                                                                                                                                                                Kerry believes in the seperation between church and state.
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                                                                                                                                                                  • theking
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Sep 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                    #241
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by TheMaster

                                                                                                                                                                    You guys may still feel you are the revolutionairy country, the rest of the world sees you as the authority against whome we should wage a revolution against.
                                                                                                                                                                    If you believe that you are an enemy of my country...and thus...a personal enemy...and are deserving of being terminated with prejudice.
                                                                                                                                                                    When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Roger
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                                                                                                                                                                        #242
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by theking
                                                                                                                                                                        My political persuasion is that of a moderate...with liberal leanings but I am strong on defense...defense spending...defense R&D...and I supported the take down of Saddam. I personally favored doing it within the first year of the cease fire. I also support changing the face of the middle east which is what we are attempting to do in Iraq.
                                                                                                                                                                        In short, you're as bad as the terrorists themselves. What exactly gives you the right to impose your will on independant countries? Haven't you screwed the ME enough already?

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                                                                                                                                                                          • Mr.Fiction
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                                                                                                                                                                            #243
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by davidd


                                                                                                                                                                            Unfortunately, most people in this thread are motivated by deep seeded hatred for the US and are blinded by this hatred.
                                                                                                                                                                            Another happy Rush Limabaugh listener repeats what he heard on the radio.
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                                                                                                                                                                              • BradM
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                                                                                                                                                                                #244
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by theking


                                                                                                                                                                                If you believe that you are an enemy of my country...and thus...a personal enemy...and are deserving of being terminated with prejudice.
                                                                                                                                                                                MY house, MY rules. I can shoot you if I want to, with my GUNS!

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • theking
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Sep 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                    #245
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


                                                                                                                                                                                    Kerry believes in the seperation between church and state.
                                                                                                                                                                                    He sets in a Senate that has prayer before every session and to my knowledge has never launched a complaint...nor has any other Senator to my knowledge...or is that not an example of Church and State being combined? If that is the case then provide me with an existing example of Church and State being combined?
                                                                                                                                                                                    When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • davidd
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                                                                                                                                                                                        #246
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


                                                                                                                                                                                        Kerry believes in the seperation between church and state.
                                                                                                                                                                                        He also believes in taxing the fuck out of the sucessful, bigger government, and all of the other mantras of the far far far far left.

                                                                                                                                                                                        I was born and raised in the cess pool known of Massachusetts. This guy has done NOTHING while in the Senate. Name 1 positive thing he has done while consuming oxygen in Washington D.C.? Visit Massachusetts and let me know your thoughts.

                                                                                                                                                                                        As for the church and state comment. The US, since day one, has been a puritanical sanctuary for all things Christian. If you do not like this, move to another country. I hate to pull out the "love it or leave it shit", but I came to this conclusion a year ago, and I have basically left the US.

                                                                                                                                                                                        My issues for leaving are probably a complete 180 from your reasons though.

                                                                                                                                                                                        -dd

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • TheMaster
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Nov 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                            #247
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by davidd


                                                                                                                                                                                            The UN is a relic of the cold war. I am a progressive thinker, but shelving the sovereignty of a nation to toe the line with people who just can not tolerate you is a losing proposition.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Europe, mainly France, has a chip on its shoulder. It used to be a world power, with the UK, and now is merely a state in the EU. Because of this, most of what they do is grand standing.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Most of Western Europe, has slipped into the mentality of socialism mixed with hugs and kisses. You can not pussy foot with people who want to kill you.

                                                                                                                                                                                            To continue to be under the mindset that we can sit around and sing hymnals and find each other shakras and eventually these people who want to kill will find inner peace is moronic.

                                                                                                                                                                                            There are a group of people (most of the world) who have major issues with the US government, as do I. These issues are not the work of one man, George Bush, they are the work of a series of administrations. This country went from the Home of the Free, to the Land of the Minions in the last 50 years.

                                                                                                                                                                                            The damage is done, and by air dropping Hallmark greeting cards and offer the olive branch will not resolve this issue.

                                                                                                                                                                                            The US should consult with its 'allies' and should take all steps possible to be inclusive. The EU, on the otherhand, should not feel it their role to stop the US from doing things, just because the world views them as the leash that restrains the demented patient. During the Cold War there was an air of solidarity, which sadly disappeared as soon as the Soviet Union broke down.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Eventually even the lillie pickers and peaceniks will realize this is a war. It will take massive blood in the steets and constant carnage, but eventually all of the western states will come around.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Before the detractors step in, as I have said before I am not a Republican or a Democrat, I live most of my time outside of the US, I have been to Europe, and know the history through and through. Unfortunately, most people in this thread are motivated by deep seeded hatred for the US and are blinded by this hatred.

                                                                                                                                                                                            -dd
                                                                                                                                                                                            my god where did you people go to school: the UN was a reaction to WWII, the cold war started afterwards.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Look, I don't have a problem with killing those terrorist, but then kill them, get some intelligence teams on them, take 'm out with elite troops, confiscate their money, hire the mob for all I care. But invading a country like Iraq is something totally different, especially when the US supports dictators like the one from Equatorial Guinee, because they get their oil from there at a lower price.

                                                                                                                                                                                            BTW a don't hate the US, a plan to go life there one day, it's just that conservative part of the people I have a problem with. The basis of your country is something beautiful, but it gets so raped and keeps getting worse, do you really have to take a look from the outside to realize that the US is on a dangerous path, abolishing civil rights from here to yesterday.
                                                                                                                                                                                            + being told by a dumb man that we should stay inline or else be considered the enemy, jeezes, how old is he?3?

                                                                                                                                                                                            BTW2 I hate shanting and hippie stuff, they are lazy no goods, I have no problem with feelings of hate, anger, revenge, ... they are feelings, they are nor good nor bad, it just depends what you do with them.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Being human means you put reason between your feelings and your actions. So, don't take me for a flowerchild, anyone invading my country, I'll slid their throats. But as long as that is not the case, try to find another way than violence.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • BradM
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Dec 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                                #248
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by TheMaster


                                                                                                                                                                                                my god where did you people go to school: the UN was a reaction to WWII, the cold war started afterwards.
                                                                                                                                                                                                Most of them haven't gone to school. ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • davidd
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    #249
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


                                                                                                                                                                                                    Another happy Rush Limabaugh listener repeats what he heard on the radio.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hmmm, maybe you know something I don't but I can't get that show in the Caribbean.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    It continues to amaze me how the left constantly claims the conservatives are uninterested in the facts. Everytime I see you guys get into a debate with facts, you always bring it right into the gutter.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I am far from a Conservative Republican as they stand in modern times. Pull out the Federalist Papers and pay close attention to the writings, that is my political leaning.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Liberty, my friend, something most in the US have forgotten about.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    -dd

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • theking
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 21053
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #250
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Roger


                                                                                                                                                                                                        In short, you're as bad as the terrorists themselves.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        You saying it does not make it true...really...it doesn't.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        What exactly gives you the right to impose your will on independant countries? Haven't you screwed the ME enough already?
                                                                                                                                                                                                        In my opinion when any independant country postures itself to the extent that it becomes perceived as a threat...or in fact actually attacks...then the right exists...whether you or anyone else approves or not.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Last edited by theking; 03-15-2004, 01:00 AM.
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