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  • DaLord
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    • Aug 2001
    • 3318
    #101
    Originally posted by WarChild


    Oh yeah, for sure .. The EU army is just a step away from being the most powerful super army in the world!
    Tsk tsk tsk...

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      • crescentx
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        • Jun 2003
        • 317
        #102
        Originally posted by DaLord


        Tsk tsk tsk...
        I repeat...donkies...

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          • Anna_O
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            • Oct 2002
            • 5773
            #103
            Just never let terrorists win and fuel the fire.

            How to prevent terrorism is another discussion though. Violence is not the best solution, but that discussion has to wait until I've gotten some sleep


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              • DaLord
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                • Aug 2001
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                #104
                For what I care the americans can fight with those morons in Iraq themself.
                They claimed the europeans was a bunch of pussies. Now you have it. Deal with it.

                I only feel sorry for those young men who has to die so Bush can make daddy happy again.

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                  • Swiftone
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                    • May 2002
                    • 337
                    #105
                    Originally posted by BradM
                    Thank god.
                    Hopefully more countries will join in and the US can deal with the shit they started in Iraq alone. It's their war.
                    Its Bush's war, only republican lap-dogs support it.
                    Yo.

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                      • Theo
                        HAL 9000
                        • May 2001
                        • 34515
                        #106
                        Originally posted by Anna_O


                        One last post before going to bed.

                        It DOES matter. This is why police never give up to the demands of hostage takers for instance. Once they do, there will be hundreds of more that know it will pay off to take people hostage.

                        Giving in to terrorists might be good short-term. But for the long-run it is not. By winning a victory in spain, maybe they go after the Athens olympics next time? Or the Euro 2004?

                        Again I believe you are making the mistake to take as a default your action will be interpreted from religious terrorists and will affect their judgement and actions. This goes for the other part as well. Spain became a target for actively supporting the operations, it doesn't necessarily mean pulling troops will prevent future attacks. BUT there's a difference. Terrorists don't use reasoning. Politicians and citizens use it.

                        I believe I've been misunderstood a bit. I said I don't blame them (meaning the spanish govt), I didn't support the opinion that pulling troops will eliminate risk. I'm talking from the perspective of the new govt and the demand of spanish citizens. That's all. I don't think anyone has a clear picture of what's going to follow.

                        goodnight Anna_O

                        we'll talk about Athens2004 tommorow

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                          • crescentx
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                            • Jun 2003
                            • 317
                            #107
                            OT, but you brought up Athens. I think their marketing teams in Germany could use some English lessons :-) (look at the URL)



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                              • LittleMack
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                                • Oct 2003
                                • 4645
                                #108
                                Originally posted by Swiftone
                                Its Bush's war, only republican lap-dogs support it.
                                Don't agree with that, we all talk about how we went it alone but what about the 40+countries that supported the war and went with us. I am against war but this was justified. Get rid of the tyrants so we can all live in peace.
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                                  • roscoe98
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                                    • Sep 2003
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                                    #109
                                    Looks like the terrorists got what they wanted...

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                                      • LittleMack
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                                        • Oct 2003
                                        • 4645
                                        #110
                                        Yup, sad fucking day.
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                                          • Swiftone
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                                            • May 2002
                                            • 337
                                            #111
                                            Originally posted by LittleMack


                                            Don't agree with that, we all talk about how we went it alone but what about the 40+countries that supported the war and went with us. I am against war but this was justified. Get rid of the tyrants so we can all live in peace.
                                            And what 'support' did most of these countries give? Absolutely nothing but verbal backing to keep them off Bush's list of "EVIL DOERS".

                                            You do remember the "IF YOU ARENT WITH US YOU ARE AGAINST" us attitude do you not?
                                            Yo.

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                                              • Rhino22
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                                                • Jan 2004
                                                • 2288
                                                #112
                                                Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


                                                Would you be surprised if Bush had a hand in 9/11?
                                                not one bit.

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                                                  • Roger
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                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                    • 3181
                                                    #113
                                                    Originally posted by crescentx
                                                    OT, but you brought up Athens. I think their marketing teams in Germany could use some English lessons :-) (look at the URL)

                                                    -doug
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                                                      • Roger
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                                                        • Jul 2003
                                                        • 3181
                                                        #114
                                                        Originally posted by LittleMack
                                                        Don't agree with that, we all talk about how we went it alone but what about the 40+countries that supported the war and went with us. I am against war but this was justified. Get rid of the tyrants so we can all live in peace.
                                                        40 out of 190. Not to mention that UN members where spied at and probably blackmailed. Most of those countries had little choice.

                                                        Okay. Now show me peace.

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                                                          • EZRhino
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                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                            • 6258
                                                            #115
                                                            Fucking pussies ...... They are as bad as the french ...... Thats it I refuse to speak spanish for now on.
                                                            god damn weak, spineless spain

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                                                              • bhutocracy
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                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                • 10218
                                                                #116
                                                                no offense but most of those 40 countries bar england and japan were pissants. You know you are supported when estonia and lithuania have your back. BTW I'm sure Palau (population 20,000) and the marshall islands (population 50,000) who don't even have armies really held up the baseline defense.

                                                                10 of those countries wouldn't even add up to the surrendering power of France lol.


                                                                Other semi decent ones were looking for money or trade deals for their support. How many billions did turkey have to be offered again to use their land? nice "willing partner"

                                                                Seriously just take a little more of a look into propaganda from the government before you use it as valid information.

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                                                                  • TheMaster
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                                                                    • Nov 2003
                                                                    • 2734
                                                                    #117
                                                                    Originally posted by arial
                                                                    So Spain is going to let the terrorist win this way? Damn
                                                                    90% of Spaniards were against the war in Iraq. That conservative prick got we deserved.

                                                                    BTW Spaniards were not against the war in Afghanistan, Iraq has got nothing to do with terrorism, fact of the mather is that Saddam's presence made that there were no terrorist really active in Iraq, he also was their enemy.

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                                                                      • TheMaster
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                                                                        • Nov 2003
                                                                        • 2734
                                                                        #118
                                                                        Originally posted by bhutocracy
                                                                        no offense but most of those 40 countries bar england and japan were pissants. You know you are supported when estonia and lithuania have your back. BTW I'm sure Palau (population 20,000) and the marshall islands (population 50,000) who don't even have armies really held up the baseline defense.

                                                                        10 of those countries wouldn't even add up to the surrendering power of France lol.


                                                                        Other semi decent ones were looking for money or trade deals for their support. How many billions did turkey have to be offered again to use their land? nice "willing partner"

                                                                        Seriously just take a little more of a look into propaganda from the government before you use it as valid information.
                                                                        say, when are the next Australian elections? australian government supported the war, didn't they? Do you think they'll be punished for it electorally?

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                                                                          • TheMaster
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                                                                            • Nov 2003
                                                                            • 2734
                                                                            #119
                                                                            Originally posted by Anna_O


                                                                            The point wasn't if Spain should be in Iraq in the firtst place, it was that it can never be right to let terrorists win. By doing so their own terrorists (ETA) will see that massmurders can pay off.
                                                                            Anna please, ETA never used mass murder, except for an accidence in a supermarket, for which they said they were sorry. + they now know what the reaction would be from the people, no one would ever support them again.

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                                                                              • wdsguy
                                                                                Ryde or Die
                                                                                • Dec 2002
                                                                                • 19568
                                                                                #120
                                                                                spanish are gonna be pussies like the french

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                                                                                  • TheMaster
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                                                                                    • Nov 2003
                                                                                    • 2734
                                                                                    #121
                                                                                    Originally posted by crescentx


                                                                                    Maybe this does send a signal to A-Q that they can change the face of politics. Though that conclusion is highly suspect given the anti-war sentiment already present in Spain, and the badly-attempted cover job trying to blame ETA.

                                                                                    I'd say it's more of a harbinger. Most Europeans - having a real historical basis for understanding what war on their soil means - never supported the Iraq war. Those leaders that chose to follow the US lead did so against heavy popular opposition, and the war isn't going according to plan. Not to mention the gravy is all going to no-bid contracts for US companies.

                                                                                    The long-term outcome of this could be to solidify and re-invigorate the European Union in ways never before possible. As elections come and go, the parties that supported the war - and are pro-US - will find themselves running out of friends. Perhaps even the hard-liners who envision the EU as a counterbalance to the US on the world stage get real power.

                                                                                    On this track, popular opinion in the EU can be tilted. From the Europeans I've known - and there are many - I don't think the natural reaction is a knee-jerk "let's kick their ass" response you'd see here in the States (reference quotes above). Given the popular lack of support over many of the US-led initiatives Europe has been involved in, I'd say it pushes things more into a US-EU competition.

                                                                                    That, with the economic indicators, weakness of the dollar, tends to me that W's legacy may be the weakening of the US as a true world power...sure we have a big army that can blow people up, but any essence of diplomacy or statesmanship that previous admins have had is long gone here, and in civilized circles, that's what counts. Let's hope he doesn't invade Spain next.

                                                                                    -doug
                                                                                    Doug

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                                                                                      • TheMaster
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                                                                                        • Nov 2003
                                                                                        • 2734
                                                                                        #122
                                                                                        Originally posted by wdsguy
                                                                                        spanish are gonna be pussies like the french
                                                                                        at least they didn't elect a man, who would have been homeless, if it wasn't for his daddies money, your president run 2 companies to the ground, now he's doing the same with your country.


                                                                                        What were his accomplishments in life to support his ability to be president of the US?

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                                                                                          • raster
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                                                                                            • Aug 2003
                                                                                            • 784
                                                                                            #123
                                                                                            On Yahoo ( http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=518&ncid=716 ) it says they will pull troops out in July.

                                                                                            Either way, pretty sad that they didn't have the resolve.

                                                                                            Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
                                                                                            Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, has promised to immediately withdraw Spain's 1,300 troops from Iraq, orient Spain's foreign policy away from the United States and restore good relations with anti-war European allies, France and Germany.

                                                                                            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Mar14.html

                                                                                            Another Bush foreign policy success?

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                                                                                              • TheMaster
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                                                                                                • Nov 2003
                                                                                                • 2734
                                                                                                #124
                                                                                                Originally posted by BradM


                                                                                                The US is already losing favor.
                                                                                                Not long before the United Nations kicks them the fuck out for being asshole cowboys. They don't listen to the rest of the world.

                                                                                                Remember how 90% of the UN voted AGAINST going into Iraq? Well fuck that Bush said we're doing it anyways.

                                                                                                The Euro Union will take over, and I for one am glad. Europeans have been through thousands of years of war and know how to run things. The states just knows how to kill civillians.
                                                                                                99% of the time I hear a Canadian speak, I am stunned by how they can differ from 50% or more of the americans: peacefull, progressive, social, ...

                                                                                                maybe we should invite Canada to join the EU, as they are a good example of how Western Democraties should be + they like Belgian beer and know how to party (this I know from experience :-)

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                                                                                                  • Lev
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                                                                                                    • Oct 2001
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                                                                                                    #125
                                                                                                    This all leads to that dumb headed ape asstwat Bush, who some how turned the whole world against America. He has NO diplomatic training, no brains and no clue about foreign relations and policy. Bush is a shame to America and its people. With his "war against terrorism" (which was created to achieve his and his administration's imperialistic goals) created more hatred, harm than good. I am sorry but "bring it on" does not sound like words that should come out of a President's mouth.

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                                                                                                      • TheMaster
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                                                                                                        • Nov 2003
                                                                                                        • 2734
                                                                                                        #126
                                                                                                        Originally posted by benc
                                                                                                        Europe and Canada going so far to the left scares me. The vision they have just isnt realistic. Theres too much evil in the world that laugh at such Hollywood westernized values.

                                                                                                        This is just one example in that Europe and other modern socialistic societies, just don't have the stomache for bloodshed.

                                                                                                        If you guys want to be a world power, then you need to flex world power muscle. Until your willing to do that, stfu and get out of the USA's way.
                                                                                                        and you wonder why more of half of the world hates the USA. It's because of that attitude. With power comes responsability, jeezes: LEARN THIS. The biggest army should be used as a deterend, not be the first ones to draw swords.

                                                                                                        BTW Europe has known terrorism for more than 100 years: Paris, London, Munich, Madrid, Rome, Athens, ... all have known terrorism over the years, it's the US that's get startled over 1 attack.

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                                                                                                          • benc
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                                                                                                            • Jan 2002
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                                                                                                            #127
                                                                                                            So whos fault were the several terrorist attacks under Clinton, plus the 911 planning, or do you think an act that took tons of training, etc, happend the day Bush took office?
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                                                                                                              • bhutocracy
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                                                                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                • 10218
                                                                                                                #128
                                                                                                                Originally posted by TheMaster


                                                                                                                say, when are the next Australian elections? australian government supported the war, didn't they? Do you think they'll be punished for it electorally?
                                                                                                                Yeah we were one of the only countries that helped out with troops.. with Afghanistan.. I think people were ok with it.. with Iraq much less because saddam had nothing to do with Osama etc. Our prime minister had already sent troops over there before the public had a chance to voice their opinion... it was pretty divided though.. probably 50/50. Not like other countries who were almost totally against it. Now it looks like the free trade deal we were supposed to get out of it is shit. We back the US then they screw us on sugar and beef, not to mention sleeper clauses against out pharmaceutical benefits scheme.

                                                                                                                I think they'll be punished to a certain extent for the lying about WMD amongst other things, but this election will be fought on domestic issues, no matter how much the PM tries to focus the attention on arab boat people and terrorism.
                                                                                                                It's probably a factor but not a major one.

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                                                                                                                  • TheMaster
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                                                                                                                    • Nov 2003
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                                                                                                                    #129
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Lev
                                                                                                                    This all leads to that dumb headed ape asstwat Bush, who some how turned the whole world against America. He has NO diplomatic training, no brains and no clue about foreign relations and policy. Bush is a shame to America and its people. With his "war against terrorism" (which was created to achieve his and his administration's imperialistic goals) created more hatred, harm than good. I am sorry but "bring it on" does not sound like words that should come out of a President's mouth.
                                                                                                                    the stereotipes are still correct it seems: rational thinking has to come from the north east of the US. Sorry for the South, but hell, elect people that are smart and well educated, not the ones that could be your looser drinking buddies.

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                                                                                                                      • bhutocracy
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                                                                                                                        • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                        • 10218
                                                                                                                        #130
                                                                                                                        a lot of it depended on whether it was through the UN. A majority supported a UN intervention.. only about 13% supported going in alone with the US. That changed a bit once the troops were over there as most people get behind it when people's kids are dying.

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                                                                                                                          • slackologist
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                                                                                                                            #131
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by benc
                                                                                                                            So whos fault were the several terrorist attacks under Clinton, plus the 911 planning, or do you think an act that took tons of training, etc, happend the day Bush took office?
                                                                                                                            bush snr.. the ex head of the cia? possible.. who knows.

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                                                                                                                              • Bansheelinks
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                                                                                                                                #132
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


                                                                                                                                Would you be surprised if Bush had a hand in 9/11?



                                                                                                                                OK, partisan politics are one thing, but you are WAY out of line.

                                                                                                                                Grow up and quit being a fucking asshole.


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                                                                                                                                  • Bansheelinks
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                                                                                                                                    • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                    • 6023
                                                                                                                                    #133
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by TheMaster


                                                                                                                                    and you wonder why more of half of the world hates the USA. It's because of that attitude. With power comes responsability, jeezes: LEARN THIS.
                                                                                                                                    Great. Now all the foreign affairs experts on this board are now quoting "Spiderman."

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                                                                                                                                      • crockett
                                                                                                                                        in a van by the river
                                                                                                                                        • May 2003
                                                                                                                                        • 76818
                                                                                                                                        #134
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by BradM


                                                                                                                                        You're avoiding the origional question, because obviously you've NO clue what you're going on about (suprising coming from a republican?)

                                                                                                                                        We're talking about the last 25 years and how out of control the states is with war.
                                                                                                                                        Vietnam
                                                                                                                                        Gulf 1
                                                                                                                                        Gulf 2
                                                                                                                                        Afghanistan

                                                                                                                                        The US doesn't listen to even what it's OWN people say.
                                                                                                                                        well if you have forgoten your history books maybe you can watch the begining of "We were soldiers" for a quick review

                                                                                                                                        If you miss my point The French got the whole Veitnam thing started, when they got their buts kicked we had to go in and get a bunch of American troops killed because our govt wouldn't let the military win the war.

                                                                                                                                        As far as Spain and getting back to the topic...

                                                                                                                                        This is the worst thing Spain could have done.. They have to be freeking total morons.. That will only give the terrorist's hope that they can win. Look what happened when the US pulled out of Somalia after we lost a few troops... It sent a very clear measage to them that we would pull out if a few troops were killed, our troops are still paying for that mistake today.

                                                                                                                                        This will put hope in AL-Quadia's eyes and probally cause more terror attacks in other countries that arn't 100% in the effort aginst terrorism.
                                                                                                                                        In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                                                                          • bhutocracy
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                                                                                                                                            • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                            • 10218
                                                                                                                                            #135
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Bansheelinks





                                                                                                                                            OK, partisan politics are one thing, but you are WAY out of line.

                                                                                                                                            Grow up and quit being a fucking asshole.
                                                                                                                                            Hey you missed the context and his point, you should have read it better. He was repeating what another guy said, just replaced spain and it's leader with the US and it's leader to show that before you go thinking it's a conspiracy look at your own backyard first and think whether you'd be as quick to spout crap.. in way it's actually agreeing with you, but it went over your head.

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                                                                                                                                              • LittleMack
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                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                • 4645
                                                                                                                                                #136
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Lev
                                                                                                                                                This all leads to that dumb headed ape asstwat Bush, who some how turned the whole world against America. He has NO diplomatic training, no brains and no clue about foreign relations and policy. Bush is a shame to America and its people. With his "war against terrorism" (which was created to achieve his and his administration's imperialistic goals) created more hatred, harm than good. I am sorry but "bring it on" does not sound like words that should come out of a President's mouth.
                                                                                                                                                Are you kidding me???? WTF, what should we do, just stick our fucking heads in the sand and bow down to these terrorist mother fuckers????? Fuck that, we were attacked and 3000 people, yes, lets all remember that 3000 of our US citizens were murdered. I am proud to be an American and we need to fight this fight. GodDamn man, if we did nothing then we would of been hit again and again and again. Look at Israel. Those poor people have suffered forever. Never give up. I say nuke the fucking bastards!!
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                                                                                                                                                  • TheMaster
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                                                                                                                                                    • Nov 2003
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                                                                                                                                                    #137
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by LittleMack
                                                                                                                                                    [B]WTF, are we all forgetting here that right after 9/11, the majority of Americans and the world supported in getting rid of the terrorist regimes??? Iraq, Iran, North Korea.
                                                                                                                                                    stupid stupid uneducated man: Iraq & North Korea don't have a terrorist regime!!!! a dictatorial regime yes, but it's because of the fact that they have no terrorism, because the dictators slay down every opposition.


                                                                                                                                                    Now this new Spanish President is going to show that they are going to bury their heads in the sand and bow down to the terrorists.
                                                                                                                                                    Iraq has got nothing to do with terrorism, the sad fact is that because Saddam has been overthrown, a lot more terrorists will come now from Iraq.


                                                                                                                                                    the only candidate that could have changed the US for the better was Dean, the man didn't have the looks, but he did have the ideas

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                                                                                                                                                      • LittleMack
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                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                        • 4645
                                                                                                                                                        #138
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by benc
                                                                                                                                                        So whos fault were the several terrorist attacks under Clinton, plus the 911 planning, or do you think an act that took tons of training, etc, happend the day Bush took office?
                                                                                                                                                        Right on, if Clinton did not cut our defense and intelligence budget and he had some balls, we would not be in this mess.
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                                                                                                                                                          • LittleMack
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                                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2003
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                                                                                                                                                            #139
                                                                                                                                                            Dean was a fucking fruitcake, I wanted Leiberman to win the nomination, I liked him. Still on the fence with Kerry.
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                                                                                                                                                              • Lev
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                                                                                                                                                                #140
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by LittleMack


                                                                                                                                                                Are you kidding me???? WTF, what should we do, just stick our fucking heads in the sand and bow down to these terrorist mother fuckers????? Fuck that, we were attacked and 3000 people, yes, lets all remember that 3000 of our US citizens were murdered. I am proud to be an American and we need to fight this fight. GodDamn man, if we did nothing then we would of been hit again and again and again. Look at Israel. Those poor people have suffered forever. Never give up. I say nuke the fucking bastards!!
                                                                                                                                                                One word for you...DIPLOMACY

                                                                                                                                                                Don't think you have won, remember the 9/11 attacks were planned for 6-7 years. The worst is still to come if Bush and hot headed people like you continue heading this country into a dump.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • sam from montreal
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                                                                                                                                                                    #141
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


                                                                                                                                                                    The United States made a move to the right after the WTC bombing, is that letting the terrorists win too? Or do the terrorists only "win" if a country doesn't do what Bush says?
                                                                                                                                                                    Ya for a lot of sucker the only good way is bu$h
                                                                                                                                                                    The Spanish people are against terrorism, but they have never supported the war in Iraq.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • TheMaster
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                                                                                                                                                                        #142
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by liquidmoe
                                                                                                                                                                        WWII American intervention on the European front wasn't to stop Hitler, it was to prevent the Soviet Union from taking over all of Europe. They dealt him his first real defeat during WWII on Russian soil and then started kicking his ass back to Germany. When America saw that Russia was taking over all of Europe it had to act, hence the whole East/West Germany thing, and all of the European commie satellite nations that were setup after WWII.

                                                                                                                                                                        In any case, certainly America is getting a bit of its just deserts here. We intervened our noses into others business, and even before that, we were only interested in financial gain. Well, when our financial gains were threatened we used military force, things got really out of hand in those nations and now you got widespread terrorism.

                                                                                                                                                                        Think back in history, this is the first time that terrrorism is so wide spread, so blatant and being used so often. This is certainly the beginning and it requires some sort of drastic political change or rethinking, certainly war didnt provide the solution.
                                                                                                                                                                        again a smart view from the north-east

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                                                                                                                                                                          • TheMaster
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                                                                                                                                                                            • Nov 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                            #143
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by slackologist
                                                                                                                                                                            bush snr.. the ex head of the cia? possible.. who knows.
                                                                                                                                                                            remember the dictator/monster Bush sr put in power in Panama: Noriega. Americans wake up: all that right wing, religious crap has only brought misery to the world, this will escalate into a fight between religious conservative freals like Al Qaeda and Born Against Christians and crap,

                                                                                                                                                                            BTW the Born Again Christians, would be considered a sect over here in Europe.

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                                                                                                                                                                              • TheMaster
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                                                                                                                                                                                #144
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Bansheelinks


                                                                                                                                                                                Great. Now all the foreign affairs experts on this board are now quoting "Spiderman."

                                                                                                                                                                                euh, that quote has been around long before spiderman. BTW if the US would listen more to Hollywood ideas, they would all be wiser, what does this tell the rest of us, that your values are even worse than the popular media.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • LittleMack
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                                                                                                                                                                                    #145
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Lev


                                                                                                                                                                                    One word for you...DIPLOMACY

                                                                                                                                                                                    Don't think you have won, remember the 9/11 attacks were planned for 6-7 years. The worst is still to come if Bush and hot headed people like you continue heading this country into a dump.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Don't want to get into a pissing match but what did diplomacy under Clinton get us............... 9/11. I cant stand here and believe that we should of done nothing. 3000 of our citizens were murdered by a bunch of radical Muslim fundamentalists, that are supported by governments in the Middle East. Here is the scenario, You punch me in the face, I just stand there, you punch me again in the face, I want to talk to see what is wrong, you punch me again, I say hey lets work this out.....when do you fight back. Fuck that, if you hit us, we hit back and hard. Pearl Harbor is a great point in fact. AHHHHHHHHHH. I wish and pray that the world is a peaceful place, but it is not and never will be. And on the 6-7 years they were planned, they were under a Liberal President, no matter who we have in office they hate us. They need to be eradicated from the face of this Earth!!!!!
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • cashman
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                                                                                                                                                                                        #146
                                                                                                                                                                                        Pussies, like the French.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • LittleMack
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                                                                                                                                                                                            #147
                                                                                                                                                                                            all terrorist groups. Your days are coming.
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Bansheelinks
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                                                                                                                                                                                                #148
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by TheMaster



                                                                                                                                                                                                euh, that quote has been around long before spiderman. BTW if the US would listen more to Hollywood ideas, they would all be wiser, what does this tell the rest of us, that your values are even worse than the popular media.



                                                                                                                                                                                                Listen more to Hollywood ideas!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • TheMaster
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    #149
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by LittleMack


                                                                                                                                                                                                    3000 of our citizens were murdered by a bunch of radical Muslim fundamentalists, that are supported by governments in the Middle East.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    euh, and when did the US punch back? Iraq? Hell, no terrorism there, oil yes. Fact is that most terrorists come from Saudi-Arabia, which is the most important allie of the US in the region, why don't they attack them? Because the royalhouse there listens to the US and let them have bases on their soil.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • slackologist
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        #150
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by TheMaster


                                                                                                                                                                                                        euh, and when did the US punch back? Iraq? Hell, no terrorism there, oil yes. Fact is that most terrorists come from Saudi-Arabia, which is the most important allie of the US in the region, why don't they attack them?
                                                                                                                                                                                                        "The Bush dynasty has always been comfortable putting profits before patriotism. Prescott Bush, Bush Senior?s father, extended credit to Adolph Hitler and supplied him with raw materials during Word War II. The U. S. seized his assets under the Trading with the Enemy Act, but grandfather Bush found other ways to replenish the family coffers."

                                                                                                                                                                                                        "Bush Senior struck it rich in oil and in the defense industry. Mahfouz (yes, that Mahfouz), Prince Bandar and Prince Sultan (Bandar?s father) were also heavily invested in the defense industry through their holdings in the Carlyle Group, where Bush Senior served on the board of directors. Founded in 1987 as a private investment group with strong connections to the Republican Party establishment, Carlyle increased its original investment of $130 million to $900 million when it went public in 2001."

                                                                                                                                                                                                        "In recent years, Carlyle has been successful both at raising and making money. It has raised $14 billion in the last five years or so, and its annual rate of return has been 36 percent. Its 550 investors consist of institutions and wealthy individuals from around the world including, until shortly after September 2001, members of the bin Laden family of Saudi Arabia. The family ? which has publicly disavowed links with Osama bin Laden ? had been an investor since 1995."

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