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Danny_C · 03-03-2002, 02:15 AM

Pictures of dead babies don't prove anything in this argument... that's just propaganda to make people sympathetic toward Israel. If you can explain to me the relevance, I'll take that back.

I believe I've read every post, and I have yet to see a person excuse terrorism, or the killing of innocent people. I haven't seen a person say that the Palestinians are justified in their actions. I haven't seen anybody say that killing innocent people is the right way for them to handle their problems.

What people are saying is that there ARE problems that can't just be ignored because they chose the wrong means of retaliation. You can't take an entire faction of people and leave them to the wolves just because some of them decided to organize and fight back the only way they know how... no matter how wrong that way might be.

Here's an analogy: When poor black people in our own country start rioting, rebelling, robbing convenience stores to feed their families, etc, we like to use those actions to condemn the entire black lower class. Of course, I wouldn't excuse the man who robs the bank to feed his family, but I'm also not going to ignore the fact that there are environmental factors that drove him to it... problems that need to be addressed - without which, these issues might not exist in the first place.

The same applies to the Palestinians. I doubt anybody here is excusing their actions. They're just saying that the Palestinians have a legitimate complaint that needs to be addressed. We can't overlook that problem by continuing to be best friends with Israel, or else we're only perpetuating it.

Personally, I'm against all forms of violence and dogma, including both religion and nationalism. If a person needs religion to give him or her morals, then that person has no morals. If a person with no morals gets his moral guidance from an ancient document written by a woman hater (as much of the bible was, for instance), then he might feel justified to hate women (as many do). The same pitfalls apply to nationalism. So when I see this argument degenerate into a question of which faction of people is more righteous, I can't even take it seriously anymore. Not one involved party can claim guiltlessness. Instead of pointing fingers, we need to get rid of our prejudice and start looking for an answer.

03-03-2002, 02:15 AM
Danny_C Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,160	Pictures of dead babies don't prove anything in this argument... that's just propaganda to make people sympathetic toward Israel. If you can explain to me the relevance, I'll take that back. I believe I've read every post, and I have yet to see a person excuse terrorism, or the killing of innocent people. I haven't seen a person say that the Palestinians are justified in their actions. I haven't seen anybody say that killing innocent people is the right way for them to handle their problems. What people are saying is that there ARE problems that can't just be ignored because they chose the wrong means of retaliation. You can't take an entire faction of people and leave them to the wolves just because some of them decided to organize and fight back the only way they know how... no matter how wrong that way might be. Here's an analogy: When poor black people in our own country start rioting, rebelling, robbing convenience stores to feed their families, etc, we like to use those actions to condemn the entire black lower class. Of course, I wouldn't excuse the man who robs the bank to feed his family, but I'm also not going to ignore the fact that there are environmental factors that drove him to it... problems that need to be addressed - without which, these issues might not exist in the first place. The same applies to the Palestinians. I doubt anybody here is excusing their actions. They're just saying that the Palestinians have a legitimate complaint that needs to be addressed. We can't overlook that problem by continuing to be best friends with Israel, or else we're only perpetuating it. Personally, I'm against all forms of violence and dogma, including both religion and nationalism. If a person needs religion to give him or her morals, then that person has no morals. If a person with no morals gets his moral guidance from an ancient document written by a woman hater (as much of the bible was, for instance), then he might feel justified to hate women (as many do). The same pitfalls apply to nationalism. So when I see this argument degenerate into a question of which faction of people is more righteous, I can't even take it seriously anymore. Not one involved party can claim guiltlessness. Instead of pointing fingers, we need to get rid of our prejudice and start looking for an answer.