Content is King.
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Show me 1 signup that has come from a blank page.
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Go for itOriginally posted by quiet
where did i say that? but i will go toe to toe in any kind of stats contest
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Content is King.
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"I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."Comment
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Thats not blankOriginally posted by stocktrader23
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Text isn't the content he was referring to.Originally posted by AlienQ
Thats not blank
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Originally posted by AlienQ
Content is King.
Show me 1 signup that has come from a blank page.
I could show you thousands of signups that have come from banner farms with NO content.Comment
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in terms of content, you don't need to. i produce some of the best, but that is a different talent than actually directing and shooting.Originally posted by Rorschach
Apples to oranges, they both take totally different personality types and skill sets. I wouldn't have a clue how to make content, but I doubt many content providers would have the techical ability to generate lots of traffic.
however, with traffic, it's a different story. traffic 100% rules the web. and it's a much tricker area (i know you know this, but stating the obvious is all that's left).
i'll put it this way, if you can send me high quality traffic, i'm ALWAYS interested. if you're selling me content, i'm not interested. i have the very best shooting for me, and do not need any more (other than the odd blip).we'll miss you our friend. RIPComment
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I don't have a single free picture on any of my sites and I manage to do okay.Originally posted by AlienQ
Content is King.
Show me 1 signup that has come from a blank page.Comment
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throwing up a couple of non-licensed images?Originally posted by AlienQ
Content is King.
Show me 1 signup that has come from a blank page.
lolwe'll miss you our friend. RIPComment
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I would agree with you there, assuming the guy buying the content knows the difference between good and bad content. One look at some of TGP pages and you can see they do not have a clue about what is good.Originally posted by slackologist
in that case, i'd say good traffic is harder. you can buy good content ( in any media ) and what you see is what you get, the same can't really be said for traffic so it's a bit harder to get exactly what you want.Comment
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Banners ARE content.Originally posted by greentea
I could show you thousands of signups that have come from banner farms with NO content.
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actually, one look at most tgp pages (the hun for example) should tell you EXACTLY what is good, in terms of sales.Originally posted by charly
I would agree with you there, assuming the guy buying the content knows the difference between good and bad content. One look at some of TGP pages and you can see they do not have a clue about what is good.
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too much free porn!!we'll miss you our friend. RIPComment
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That is conning the surfer and I'm discussing straight business practises. Anyone can con some people on porn and some can con anyone. But let's stick to normal business practises.Originally posted by stocktrader23
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both are very important, for paysite owners now and int the future, unique content is going to be very importantComment
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You mentioned bad content on TGP's above and you are mistaken. Here is a pic exact size and quality I use on my pages. All of them are similar and this pic is the most "X" rated one there.Originally posted by charly
That is conning the surfer and I'm discussing straight business practises. Anyone can con some people on porn and some can con anyone. But let's stick to normal business practises.
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High quality content has it's place but it's definately not the only thing that sells. We are rebilling customers $50 a month after a $25 weekly trial sold from a bare html page with 1, yes I said 1 picture similar to that one. Can't say much else but I know first hand that I don't need thousands of $$$ in content or even design to get rich from this business, I need traffic!Last edited by stocktrader23; 03-12-2004, 02:15 AM.
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Is it just me or is there a really massive cameltoe happening in that pic?Originally posted by stocktrader23
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<img src="http://www.realcamsex.com/sites/escorts/webcams/07/images/webcam.jpg">Originally posted by Rorschach
Is it just me or is there a really massive cameltoe happening in that pic?
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I think so...Originally posted by Rorschach
Is it just me or is there a really massive cameltoe happening in that pic?
Dayem where's my credit card!
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traffic is money
if you dont have traffic, you dont have money
if you have good content is no fact that you have moneyComment
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It really depends on your market segment/what you're trying to do. It also depends on what level you're at.
If you're starting out, content is a waste. You can make it with traffic and no content, but not vice versa.
Once you progress, it's worth it to acquire some good content. A good example would be any of the programs that started early and gradually brought out quality content/sites (ARS is a case in point -- complete crap for years whilst making millions). Now that they have millions they have the luxury of bothering with quality sites. That particular business model has worked for every single reasonably sized program.
So, to sum it up, traffic is more important..Comment
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I did not mean to imply that ALL tgp content was poor, just some of it.Originally posted by stocktrader23
You mentioned bad content on TGP's above and you are mistaken. Here is a pic exact size and quality I use on my pages. All of them are similar and this pic is the most "X" rated one there.
<img src="http://www.realcamsex.com/sites/escorts/webcams/07/images/webcam.jpg" width="175">
High quality content has it's place but it's definately not the only thing that sells. We are rebilling customers $50 a month after a $25 weekly trial sold from a bare html page with 1, yes I said 1 picture similar to that one. Can't say much else but I know first hand that I don't need thousands of $$$ in content or even design to get rich from this business, I need traffic!
If you are selling $25 weekly trials from 1 picture then you have to have some pretty powerful text to go with it.
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50 words or less. Seriously.Originally posted by charly
I did not mean to imply that ALL tgp content was poor, just some of it.
If you are selling $25 weekly trials from 1 picture then you have to have some pretty powerful text to go with it.
Edit: And a lot of it is poor by your standards especially. But it still sells.
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Good quality content is easy to come by because you can look at it and and see that it's quality. The problem with traffic is every one says they have shit hot traffic and when you buy it, it turns out to be crap. A lot of webmasters who purchase traffic have spent a lot of $'s to find which traffic sellers have quality. Good quality traffic is kingOriginally posted by charly
Yes these things do tend to veer off subject. What I was trying to talk about is what is the harder to aquire, good content or good traffic. It seems we have a deluge of both, 1,000s of kids with a computers posting to TGPs and 1,000s of guys with cheap digital camers trying to create porn.
What is the harder thing to create?
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Come on folks... stop the madness.
Traffic is king. Content is queen.
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Traffic. I can shoot content of some crack whore with a polaroid and it will sell like hotcakes. Traffic is harder to come by.Comment
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You're all wrong. Selling is king. It's painfully easy to make money in this biz if you know how to sell. It took me a long time to catch on but once you've got a winning formula you're sittin pretty.
Look at extreme paychecks. Their sites convert pretty good, but once you're inside you get like 4 picture sets per paysite. Guess what though, for someone to find that out they still had to sign up and put money in the pocket of the industry.
Traffic is a necessity but in no way is it king. It's just another expense to me. It's up to you to make the most out of your traffic. Trust hosted galleries, FPA's, crappy sponsor banners and you're taking the easy way out.icq 279990726
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Well...with good traffic and without good content u have nothing...same is if u have good content and no traffic,so i think u need to have bouth to make site making money
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Kings don't exist DESTROY the hierarchy!
Gold is KING.Comment
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you people sound like the three blind men trying to describe an elephant. one describes the trunk, another the ears, and the another the tail. who is right??
if I am selling traffic i don't need content, the webmaster who bought the link needs the content, I am only selling the promise of content.
Paysite you need both traffic and content, and you better know how to sell it to the surfer. targeted and filtered traffic is best, and how many webmasters know how to filter or want to take the time to do it?
all depends on what you want to do.
i can't see just one blanket answer to this question.Comment
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Depends on your situation.
If you have all type in domains for example, you don't need content, you can refresh to another site.
If you're buying TGP spots etc, well you better have good content.Comment
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traffic to a text link works...
no traffic to hot content doesn't...
traffic + hot content = yowza
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traffic ... if you don't own a paysite let the sponsor take care of their 'king' contentSend me a PM for design workComment
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Paul Markham is king. The king of stupid.
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Absolutely. The problem for most is they can't afford the investment in buying or creating quality content and I'm not talking about buy a HD camera. That's the easy part.
There are very few people with the knowledge to create great content and they tend to want more for their labour than the other guys. Madalton has shot some great stuff recently and will tell you it costs more than what most people will spend, same goes for Orgasms.xxx, babe.com whengirlsplay, Met-art, X-art, Viv Thomas, Steve Hicks, Evil Angel, Vivid and a host of others. Still a small slice of the market.
Traffic on the other hand is mostly paid for after the sign up and money received.
So what works best? doing something 100s can do and something 10s can do?
Then there's the question of the surfer. Often he clicks on a link after seeing a sample, he then goes through the tour and is turned on or off by what he sees. Then those that spend their money get into the members area and do they take what's there for a month and leave or stay longer?
Can a site with crap conversions and retention attract great traffic?
Then there's the question of where do people send their traffic, to a site that converts well and one that doesn't?
Those who are now going to tell us you have to have the traffic for people to see it can answer the last one. I'm sure that will make a few of them stumble, but not many.Comment
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Why do sites like Pornhub have so much traffic. Because surfers go there thinking it's a nice place to see a blank page. Or because they have tons of content and it's free?
Content is totally and utterly KING. Always was and always will be. No one wants to look at a blank page or crap content, selling crap is tougher than selling quality. Only in a business of small timers who can't afford to buy great content will traffic be given the place it is in online adult. The surfer always makes the final decisions.Comment
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Yes, your excellent content with no traffic still makes you a fortune. Right?
Oh no, it makes fuck all because you've got no traffic.
This isn't Field of Dreams. You built it. They didn't come.
You live off your wife's secretarial wage and state handouts.
Kinda proves the point, doesn't it?
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Traffic is King, content was when nothing was free... things change
If you have traffic youll find a lot of peoples with good content that will want to work with you, they will offer you to shoot stuff, build landing etc,,
If you have good content, you may not find the traffic, and you may not be able to buy a lot...
To make money with medias buy and to attract affiliates, we sent traffic to more than 50 programs, it depend of the source, the geos etc
I cant imagine having my own content/programs and try send to send everything there , even if its quality and good retention..that will not be enough in this free context..
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Traffic obviously rules But you are to keep surfers interested!
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Sorry Paul, I'm going to have to disagree. You can have the nicest content in the universe but without traffic that crown your king is wearing will be made of tin, not gold.
For me the answer is it depends on perspective. With massive traffic one can simply direct it to those who have the content (re: paysite owners with decent paysites) whereupon the guy with the traffic makes money, the guy with the content makes money because of it.
At the end of the day he with the most traffic always wins, assuming he knows what to do with it. Just ask Patrick or the guy who used to own worldsex, or AL4A for that matter, if it was traffic that's made them their millions or content? The answer is obviously both at least to some degree, but from their perspectives I'd guess that traffic is what spoke the loudest in their success.
and I've seen way too many shitty content paysites make a shit-ton of money in spite of it over the years, and the reason they made that much money was one thing and one thing only --- massive amounts of traffic being fired at them, usually from affiliates. Meanwhile I've seen many a lovely site with amazing content sit virtually idle.
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So you send your traffic to the sites that perform the worse. Got yer. Most send it to where it converts the best.
At the end of the day, the decision of what makes a sale is down to the buyer. He will never pay for being traffic. Patrick charged high prices for his traffic, so only those with the best conversions and retentions could afford to buy his traffic.
Yes you need both, never ever used the dumb argument of no content makes no sales like the guys who say no traffic makes no sales. Maybe what you call shitty content the surfer thinks other wise. Pure economics shows that sites that don't convince a surfer to buy and stay a member, don't have the funds to pay affiliates the money to get their traffic.
Unless they send traffic to site the surfers don't like. Do you know affiliates who fire massive amounts of traffic at sites that don't convert or surfers don't like? you and I may not like, ultimately what you and I think means nothing. It's what people who pay money for it at the till think.
You can have the nicest traffic in the universe but without it converting well that crown your king is wearing will be made of tin, not gold. Unless their are affiliates prepared to fire massive amounts of traffic at sites that don't convert or surfers don't like.
Had to be said twice to make it clear.Comment
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Newsflash, traffic is still king. Always will be. It's very simple.
You can have the best content in the world, but with no traffic no one will ever see it. But if you have a shit load of traffic, you can sell anything - including Paul Markham filler crap.Herschel Savage
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Newsflash, read what I just posted you dope.
If you have a shit load of traffic and stupid enough to send it to crap sites. Just shows how easy it is for stupid people to get a shit load of traffic.
You can have the best traffic in the world, with a blank page. No one will ever buy anything.
No wonder you couldn't run a paysite.Comment
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