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  • Jeff aka NIGHTfall
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    • Oct 2003
    • 5162

    #1

    Odd Situation With A Girl....

    Me and this girl have been friends for a long time, i always had feelings for her, i treat her well and with very much respect. we have grown closer over time and she has asked about my ways of income on the net. I never told her the total truth, i always try to change the subject when she brings it up. I have alot of respect for her and dont want her to think that just because i am an adult webmaster i am just after her ass or that i am overly perverted. She is only a friend as of now, but she seems to really wanna know what i do for a living. I also said "internet sales" or even resorted to saying i promote mortgage leads, which wasnt a total lie, its a very very side project. anyways, what do you guys think the best way of telling her is without scaring her off. Of corse her dad wants to know also which really makes it worst. i dont want him telling her she cannot see me or hang with me no more. I dont plan on bringing it up unless she asks again, but i dont want to lie to her, we have a very honest friendship. Is there any easy way to word my title? I have told her i am a webmaster, but being a woman she wants to know what site it is. when she asks for the web address i just tell her "which one, i have lots" damn girls, making us guys lifes hard.

    so guys, any tips, ideas? how can i word it so she knows but doesnt think to much of it? i know its gunna come down to me explaining that money is money no matter how you make it, and it comes in. Man, if her father ever sits me down and talks to me about it i know i will break a sweat tryin to explain to him, hell it was funny explaining to my parents!




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  • dunefield
    www.barely18movies.com
    • Feb 2003
    • 10920

    #2
    best way is the truth... if she hates you because of your profession well she's not a good friend...

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    • TweetyBird
      Confirmed User
      • Feb 2004
      • 8532

      #3
      that was roughly what I was about to say, man tell her the whole truth, you don't need to get too much into the details though... but still tell her what you do and if she "hates" you afterwards it only means she wasn't a true friend in the first place. Keep it simple
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      • rip raster
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        • Apr 2001
        • 2851

        #4
        The truth will set you free

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        • polish_aristocrat
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Jul 2002
          • 40377

          #5
          her dad...

          hm - it also depends how old you are ;)
          I don't use ICQ anymore.

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          • Jeff aka NIGHTfall
            Confirmed User
            • Oct 2003
            • 5162

            #6
            its not so much that i think she will hate me. i doubt she will just over my profession, but i just dont wanna weird her out or make her think anything. i dont want her to get the idea that just because i work with porn means i am just after her to get her in bed, the thing is she is very VERY beautiful. people hit on her while we are out together. she is extremely attractive and i know for a fact 90% of the guys who talk to her or only after her for a fuck. I just dont want her to get that impression from me, because its not true, i will admit thats what got me to go talk to her when i met her, but now to me she is so much more, it would kill me to see her think i think that low of her.

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            • sexsup
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              • Feb 2004
              • 3004

              #7
              If you dont want to lie to her you have to say the truth, and if you have problems with your job, change it

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              • polish_aristocrat
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Jul 2002
                • 40377

                #8
                Originally posted by TweetyBird
                but still tell her what you do and if she "hates" you afterwards it only means she wasn't a true friend in the first place. Keep it simple
                or she's very religious ;)
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                • Jeff aka NIGHTfall
                  Confirmed User
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 5162

                  #9
                  Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                  her dad...

                  hm - it also depends how old you are ;)
                  she-18
                  me-18

                  which means he knows his daughter is the ripe age for everyone no matter what age will go after her (legal)

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                  • OMG Shawn
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                    • Oct 2003
                    • 224

                    #10
                    Doesn't sound like you guys have grown all that close,
                    or you would have been honest with her from the start.
                    A relationship without honesty & trust is not much
                    a relationship. My 2 cents anyhow.

                    Tell her the truth!
                    ~ OMG! ~ I wanna be a webmaster too!

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                    • Jeff aka NIGHTfall
                      Confirmed User
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 5162

                      #11
                      Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

                      or she's very religious ;)


                      well we can knock that one off the list... she is a good girl, but not very religious

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                      • OMG Shawn
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                        • Oct 2003
                        • 224

                        #12
                        I tell everyone I am a porn peddler.
                        If they don't like it, oh well.
                        Rarely do I get a negative response from people.
                        My business is my life, so everyone in my
                        life knows what I do.

                        I peddle porn. Plain and simple.
                        ~ OMG! ~ I wanna be a webmaster too!

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                        • Jer
                          God is Brazilian
                          • Feb 2001
                          • 10601

                          #13
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                          • Jeff aka NIGHTfall
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                            • Oct 2003
                            • 5162

                            #14
                            Originally posted by OMG Shawn
                            Doesn't sound like you guys have grown all that close,
                            or you would have been honest with her from the start.
                            A relationship without honesty & trust is not much
                            a relationship. My 2 cents anyhow.

                            Tell her the truth!
                            i am very honest with her. she dont ask me everyday, its just something she brings up somethings. and i have told her i do other things (meaning the adult websites) but i have worded it like ".. and a few other things i will tell you about later"

                            so its not like i am total hiding it. i just got a werid feeling she is gunna ask me today donno why..

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                            • ackilles
                              Registered User
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 32

                              #15
                              Funny you should bring this up. I've been out with several women in the last few months and when they ask I just say I'm an "Internet Marketing Consultant". The sound of it usually brings on a confused look and the topic never comes up again. That is until I went on a date with a chick that asked and her reply was "Oh, you're kidding! Me too! How do you get your clients?"

                              I nearly shit - this fuckin' chick actually did my fake job. The moral of the story is either tell her the truth or put more work into the lie. I'm gonna opt for the latter since I'm the hugest chicken shit.

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                              • Jeff aka NIGHTfall
                                Confirmed User
                                • Oct 2003
                                • 5162

                                #16
                                thank you !! that second link is perfect!

                                very down to the point without making it sound too perverted...

                                I design Adult Entertainment websites....

                                Adult Entertainment is alot better sounding then "porn"


                                and if she desides to ask the meaning it will be much easier to explain "well basicly i sell adult material, porn, online"

                                i dont think will be as hard as i was making it to be.. i just really care about this girl, i dont wanna mess up what relationship (close friends) we have now..

                                thanks guys,

                                -Jeff

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                                • goBigtime
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                                  • Nov 2002
                                  • 7761

                                  #17
                                  Tony Soprano is in waste management.

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                                  • Rorschach
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Aug 2002
                                    • 5579

                                    #18
                                    Ah young love... don't worry about it buddy, just tell her whatever you need to get in there, at 18 they're all disposable.

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                                    • OMG Shawn
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Oct 2003
                                      • 224

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Jeff aka NIGHTfall


                                      i am very honest with her. she dont ask me everyday, its just something she brings up somethings. and i have told her i do other things (meaning the adult websites) but i have worded it like ".. and a few other things i will tell you about later"

                                      so its not like i am total hiding it. i just got a werid feeling she is gunna ask me today donno why..
                                      That is good you are not totally hiding it from her.
                                      The sooner you be straight up with her, the sooner
                                      you will feel better about it. Even if she is offended,
                                      if she is a friend, she will still be your friend,
                                      regardless of what you do for a living.

                                      Again, this is just my 2 cents.

                                      Personally I enjoy shock value, so I don't mind telling
                                      anyone what I do. If they are shocked, it's fun
                                      Even my religious father knows what I do.
                                      Even my grandmother knows what I do.
                                      They do not approve of course, but, they know the truth.
                                      They get over it and life goes on.
                                      ~ OMG! ~ I wanna be a webmaster too!

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                                      • goBigtime
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Nov 2002
                                        • 7761

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Jeff aka NIGHTfall



                                        I design Adult Entertainment websites....

                                        Adult Entertainment is alot better sounding then "porn"

                                        You tell her that and 10 to 1 the next word out of her mouth will be.....

                                        Porn?

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                                        • OMG Shawn
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Oct 2003
                                          • 224

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by ackilles
                                          Funny you should bring this up. I've been out with several women in the last few months and when they ask I just say I'm an "Internet Marketing Consultant". The sound of it usually brings on a confused look and the topic never comes up again. That is until I went on a date with a chick that asked and her reply was "Oh, you're kidding! Me too! How do you get your clients?"

                                          I nearly shit - this fuckin' chick actually did my fake job. The moral of the story is either tell her the truth or put more work into the lie. I'm gonna opt for the latter since I'm the hugest chicken shit.
                                          Chicken shit of what????
                                          It seems you, like many adult webmasters are ashamed
                                          of what you do, or else you would not hide it from people.
                                          Get a spine! Grow some balls! Be straight up!

                                          I really just don't get it.
                                          ~ OMG! ~ I wanna be a webmaster too!

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                                          • Jeff aka NIGHTfall
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Oct 2003
                                            • 5162

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by goBigtime


                                            You tell her that and 10 to 1 the next word out of her mouth will be.....

                                            Porn?
                                            better her saying it then me


                                            then all i gotta do is smile and say... "well hun, if you wanan word it that way "


                                            most likly she will just laugh and i will too..

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                                            • hova
                                              Traffillionaire
                                              • Jan 2002
                                              • 22430

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by goBigtime


                                              You tell her that and 10 to 1 the next word out of her mouth will be.....

                                              Porn?
                                              Thats so true, happens to me all the time when I say I do Adult entertainment
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                                              • ackilles
                                                Registered User
                                                • Jan 2004
                                                • 32

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by OMG Shawn


                                                Chicken shit of what????
                                                It seems you, like many adult webmasters are ashamed
                                                of what you do, or else you would not hide it from people.
                                                Get a spine! Grow some balls! Be straight up!

                                                I really just don't get it.
                                                You're absultely right. I'm way too preoccupied with what impression my occupation will leave on people. But I can't help it... I'm worried chicks will think I lounge around in my apartment in a silk robe jerking off all day.

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                                                • Jeff aka NIGHTfall
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                  • 5162

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by OMG Shawn

                                                  It seems you, like many adult webmasters are ashamed
                                                  of what you do, or else you would not hide it from people.
                                                  Get a spine! Grow some balls! Be straight up!

                                                  I really just don't get it.

                                                  i know that was directed toward all who dont admit to it..

                                                  and i honestly do admit to anyone what i do, hell i am very proud of what i do, i am very happy that at the age of 18 i dont work while every other person 18+ is pushing 40hours a week for half what i make. I just didnt know how stephanie would take to it. i realize now its silly and she will laugh at it, but its just before i was putting shit in my head that she would look at it wrong, for some reason i have a habbit of thinking the worst. Hell i was up front with my mom about it when i started, she bitched a lil bit but then when she seen my check was bigger then hers she shutup and asked me to get my step father a site

                                                  now she jokes around about it because all her friends at her job talk about what their kids do, and when its comes her turn she can proudly say her son is banking more then everyone in the room and doesnt break a sweat or wake up every day to a 9-5 job. hhehehehhehe i make my momma so proud

                                                  :P

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                                                  • OMG Shawn
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                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                    • 224

                                                    #26
                                                    We are all porn peddlers.

                                                    I say, accept it, or get into a biz that you are not
                                                    ashamed to tell people about.
                                                    ~ OMG! ~ I wanna be a webmaster too!

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                                                    • Jeff aka NIGHTfall
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                      • 5162

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by ackilles


                                                      You're absultely right. I'm way too preoccupied with what impression my occupation will leave on people. But I can't help it... I'm worried chicks will think I lounge around in my apartment in a silk robe jerking off all day.
                                                      and what he said

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                                                      • OMG Shawn
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                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                        • 224

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Jeff aka NIGHTfall



                                                        i know that was directed toward all who dont admit to it..

                                                        and i honestly do admit to anyone what i do, hell i am very proud of what i do, i am very happy that at the age of 18 i dont work while every other person 18+ is pushing 40hours a week for half what i make. I just didnt know how stephanie would take to it. i realize now its silly and she will laugh at it, but its just before i was putting shit in my head that she would look at it wrong, for some reason i have a habbit of thinking the worst. Hell i was up front with my mom about it when i started, she bitched a lil bit but then when she seen my check was bigger then hers she shutup and asked me to get my step father a site

                                                        now she jokes around about it because all her friends at her job talk about what their kids do, and when its comes her turn she can proudly say her son is banking more then everyone in the room and doesnt break a sweat or wake up every day to a 9-5 job. hhehehehhehe i make my momma so proud

                                                        :P
                                                        I am glad you feel pride.

                                                        If you are good at what you do, you should feel pride,
                                                        regardless of what it is. I have been able to employ myself,
                                                        my girlfriend, my mother, and a good friend with full time
                                                        decent paying jobs because of porn peddling.
                                                        As well as providing part time work for many others too.

                                                        All of this from the comfort of my home...
                                                        I LOVE THIS BIZ!
                                                        ~ OMG! ~ I wanna be a webmaster too!

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                                                        • Ash@phpFX
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                          • 4292

                                                          #29
                                                          how old is she? if her dad controls her then i would be worried

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                                                          • Jeff aka NIGHTfall
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                            • 5162

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by asher
                                                            how old is she? if her dad controls her then i would be worried
                                                            she is 18.. her dad dont control her, but she does infact live with him, and i have very much respect for her father and his home. I do not want him to think less of me (he is very old school, and all into the goverment shit) i just would hate to see him not welcome me there.






                                                            anyways, i havent talked to her yet, im not gunna bring it up, i think that would be weird, but she is always interested in what i do alll day, and i usally respond the same, worked on my website, promoted it more. once then she would ask which one... then i can just explain from there... thanks for the help guys, its really cool of you to help the young guys out. you been in my shoes once.


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                                                            • Elli
                                                              Reach for those stars!
                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                              • 17991

                                                              #31
                                                              You said "i treat her well and with very much respect."

                                                              If you respect her, you'll be honest with her. Then, like it or not, she'll have the information to make her decision. Fear is not respect.

                                                              Good luck!
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                                                              • qwe
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                • 2109

                                                                #32
                                                                tell me this, do you show up in a fancy car and look like you got money ? or you just average looking joe with no money ?

                                                                if answer to question number one is yes, after telling her what you do she won't mind, in fact she'll like it.

                                                                if answer to question number two is yes, then watch out, better keep it what you do to yourself until you make decent coint.

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                                                                • freeadultcontent
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                  • 9976

                                                                  #33
                                                                  This is all pretty humorous. I for one do not hide my profession, yet I do not go out and promote it to everyone I know. Not out of fear of them finding out, but more because I am sick of the "teach me, let me come on set, or give me some passwords" crap.

                                                                  What I do find funny is most of the people on here are nothing more than glorified commission based ad salesmen.

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                                                                  • Illicit
                                                                    wtf ?
                                                                    • Dec 2003
                                                                    • 11895

                                                                    #34
                                                                    I say tell her the truth, but done use the word porn anywhere... it sucks that so many people react badly to porn when you know they are surfing it all the time. if they werent we wouldnt be in business.
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                                                                    • pimplink
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                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                      • 9535

                                                                      #35
                                                                      The truth will come out sooner or later so,
                                                                      better tell her now.

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                                                                      • 420
                                                                        cuck
                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                        • 11571

                                                                        #36
                                                                        tell her u sale pron

                                                                        then ask if she wants to be content
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                                                                        • Illicit
                                                                          wtf ?
                                                                          • Dec 2003
                                                                          • 11895

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by 420
                                                                          tell her u sale pron

                                                                          then ask if she wants to be content
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                                                                          • Doctor Dre
                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                            • 51692

                                                                            #38
                                                                            PRff 95 % of the people don't care about porn anymore ... at least here . The other 5 % are stuckup and don't deserve to be your friend . She's gonna like you for what you are not what you are doing wrong . Everybody do something wrong ... tax frauds, stealing etc... If you would lie to her that would just be worst than telling her the truth .
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                                                                            • ryph
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                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                              • 1225

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Why not start up one or 2 side mainstream projects, and if it comes down to it, show them to people. They won't know whether or not it makes money, and you can still call yourself an "internet marketer".
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                                                                              • EZRhino
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                                • 6258

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Tell her the truth and explain your concerns. Sounds like you might be jumping the gun a bit worrying about what her dad thinks. Be honest first and see where it might go from there. It might be a turn on for her and her dad might want some free stuff from you.

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                                                                                • Illicit
                                                                                  wtf ?
                                                                                  • Dec 2003
                                                                                  • 11895

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Dad's dont like pornographers dating their daughters. Play up the mortgage thing...
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                                                                                  • VicMartin
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                                                                                    • Jun 2002
                                                                                    • 887

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                                                                                    her dad...

                                                                                    hm - it also depends how old you are ;)
                                                                                    and how much money you make.
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                                                                                    • OMG Shawn
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                                                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                                                      • 224

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Elli
                                                                                      You said "i treat her well and with very much respect."

                                                                                      If you respect her, you'll be honest with her. Then, like it or not, she'll have the information to make her decision. Fear is not respect.

                                                                                      Good luck!

                                                                                      I second that!
                                                                                      Well said
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                                                                                      • OMG Shawn
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                                        • 224

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by ryph
                                                                                        Why not start up one or 2 side mainstream projects, and if it comes down to it, show them to people. They won't know whether or not it makes money, and you can still call yourself an "internet marketer".
                                                                                        Dude, that's a pansy ass approach.

                                                                                        Truth man, truth. Tell her the truth.
                                                                                        If she bails on you, then it's better to have it
                                                                                        happen now, rather than atfer your emotions
                                                                                        grow even more for her.

                                                                                        Likely though, if she truly likes you too, she won't
                                                                                        care that you are a porn peddler.
                                                                                        ~ OMG! ~ I wanna be a webmaster too!

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                                                                                        • angeleyes
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                                                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                                                          • 3584

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Rorschach
                                                                                          Ah young love... don't worry about it buddy, just tell her whatever you need to get in there, at 18 they're all disposable.
                                                                                          .... ............

                                                                                          In the past I've been accused of taking advantage of young women.... Even after I explained my job: Marketing/Fraud Control and Light Accounting........... Yet it was my fault that young women (of legal age) decided to pose for pics our company uses.... which most of the time I don't even see. I stare at numbers more than I do photos.
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                                                                                          • Shoehorn!
                                                                                            Die With Your Boots On
                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                            • 22872

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by dunefield
                                                                                            best way is the truth... if she hates you because of your profession well she's not a good friend...
                                                                                            I agree. If she doesn't know you well enough to know that you're not a pervert and not just after her ass then she never will.

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                                                                                            • Los
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                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                              • 427

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              tell her the truth

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                                                                                              • pimplink
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                                                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                                                • 9535

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                I can't believe it! A man really in-love and not after sex!

                                                                                                Anyway, if you two have been friends for a long time, and you decided to tell her the truth, i know she'll understand. Friends always understand each other, more so if they love each other. Goodluck!

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                                                                                                • reynold
                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                  • 51271

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  hmmmm.... pimplink is right, I guess.

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                                                                                                  • modelgigtalent
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                                                                                                    • May 2003
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by dunefield
                                                                                                    best way is the truth... if she hates you because of your profession well she's not a good friend...
                                                                                                    I agree. And by the way, what is it that you do?


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