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We really do get away with murder on the Net. Can you imagine if a magazine stand owner was handng out a free pack of 4 x 6 porn pics indiscriminately to any age group to induce people to buy his magazines. His newstand would be shut down in 1 day.
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will never happen periodOriginally posted by teddyracer1
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/02/on...mut/index.html
According to the Bush administration, they're trying to limit access by minors to adult sites. They want the free content from sponsors not be able to be posted freely on th net without verifying the viewer's age. I don't condone letting minors into my site, but come on, growing up in a major metropolitan city, where most of my friends were older growing up, if you don't see it online, one of your buddies will rip it off from a liquor store, and we'll all get a peek at a friend's house. The point of this post, get involved politically, "write letters to your congressman/woman telling them you want your freedom of speech rights reserved" !!!! Fuck Bush and the Republican Party!!1
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lolOriginally posted by XxXotic
i thought this said the end of Oracle Porn
I don't use ICQ anymore.Comment
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Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
They cannot solve the problem simply by creating a law.
Internet is worlwide.
So a US law will be a dead law, but if they are trying to regulate the internet worlwide, then...I really hope they won't try it.
worldwide control is easier to implement than we all want it. force ISP's to provide online access through proxies only. presto. the vast majority would not be able to get unrestricted access anymore..Comment
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Originally posted by KRL
We really do get away with murder on the Net. Can you imagine if a magazine stand owner was handng out a free pack of 4 x 6 porn pics indiscriminately to any age group to induce people to buy his magazines. His newstand would be shut down in 1 day.
I've tried to argue this point before with someone, and got amusing responses...
my thoughts are, if you can do it openly on any streetcorner in the civilized parts of the US (bible belt & taliban country excluded) then it's "OK" to do...
if not...then, uhmmm prolly not a great idea
anonymity online will not protect someone forever, those doors are slowly closing... :/
what made the internet great and wild is disappearing....soon it will be a NON-anonymous, BIG network & gov-only controlled and operated playground...
PS: don't get me wrong I LOVES ME SOME free porn....I've been a fan of alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bigtits for several years....kazaa, etc....but that was just a nice free ride I didn't expect to last forever ;)Last edited by TheJimmy; 03-06-2004, 11:18 AM.Investor with 5m - 15m USD to invest. Do you have a site or network of sites earning 50k - 200k a month income? Email your contact and preliminary data to: domain.cashventures (at) gmail.com....Please...no tire kickers...serious offers and inquiries only.Comment
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Originally posted by TheJimmy
what made the internet great and wild is disappearing....soon it will be a NON-anonymous, BIG network & gov-only controlled and operated playground...
I don't use ICQ anymore.Comment
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To illustrate his point, Olson said he went on his home computer over the weekend, typed in "free porn" on a search engine and 6 million Web sites popped up.
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Originally posted by Rictor
Anyone who thinks the U.S. can't enforce our laws worldwide is really sort of clueless about who runs this planet.
i'm pretty sure some folks in the Roman Empire (to name just one of the former super powers) had similar thoughts..Comment
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come to think of it this might be a good thing. Get rid of all the free porn and make people buy it. See nothing wrong with that.
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AmenOriginally posted by benc
I think you mean the end of free hardcore porn. In that case, I say, the sooner the better.
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Fuck you shithead paysite owners that say this is good, who the hell do you think promote your programs. We, the hard working, gallery submitting, ass-busting webmasters. Like I said if the boy is 17 and under, it's a no in my book, but his buddies at school is going to have some mags to look at anyways, so who gives a fuck where he gets his porn. His mom and pops should of taught him about the birds and the bees so we hard-working webmasters don't have to!Comment
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Haven't you heard?Originally posted by SENSEX
who the fuck does Bush think he is? The internet is not limited to American citizens. It's a worldwide thing, hence the term "world wide web". ......
He thought he was president of the world.. His actions should be enough proof of that..
Tried to 'save' Iraq..
How many are dead now as opposed to the number of people that would be dead had he not played his wargames..
He wants the world.. and if re-elected, he'll take the win as a message that we're ok with anything he decides to do... Mark my word on that one..Comment
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Amen to that brother!Originally posted by Scootermuze
Haven't you heard?
He thought he was president of the world.. His actions should be enough proof of that..
Tried to 'save' Iraq..
How many are dead now as opposed to the number of people that would be dead had he not played his wargames..
He wants the world.. and if re-elected, he'll take the win as a message that we're ok with anything he decides to do... Mark my word on that one..Comment
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It can be argued, however, that beyond the disclaimer of any adult site is like the front-covers of a magazine and what is inside is like "in" the magazine.Originally posted by KRL
We really do get away with murder on the Net. Can you imagine if a magazine stand owner was handng out a free pack of 4 x 6 porn pics indiscriminately to any age group to induce people to buy his magazines. His newstand would be shut down in 1 day.
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Yeah! Fuck bush and this shit!!
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1, that's retarded. As everyone knows you can run a business and host outside of the US. Law ineffective.
2, they'll pass it anyway.. and further restrict the rights of responsible adults in this country. If the Religious Right has their way, the end is near for everyone in the US who likes to enjoy themselves.Xanadu024 (aim) or 286785389 (icq)
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It's kind of funny. The feds say to use a credit card to verify age, but visa says you can't use a credit card to verify age. That's why all the avs sites are now adult entertainment networks.
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Most paysites don't have a affiliate program. So they could care less if the freesites are around or not (and actually prefer them gone).Originally posted by teddyracer1
Fuck you shithead paysite owners that say this is good, who the hell do you think promote your programs. We, the hard working, gallery submitting, ass-busting webmasters.
The few paysites that do rely on affiliates will lose their ass.
The ones that know affiliates are just a form of marketing their site and don't actually rely on them, could give a shit one way or the other. Affiliates are just extra money to them.
Laws like this come and go. It'll be passed and then shot down a couple of months later. Seen it happen before and will probably see it happen again. We are just coming around in full circle is all.Comment
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Originally posted by benc
I think you mean the end of free hardcore porn. In that case, I say, the sooner the better.
Amen!Comment
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And 90% of the adult who wont waste time with a AVS system that is probably going to rip them off, auto charge 10 paysites if they dont cancel and a bunch of other bullshit.Originally posted by AlienQ
Good get rid of the fucken minors that surf porn them little fucks got no credit card and are a bandwidth drain...
Stop trying to make me vote republican.Yo.Comment
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Cable shakedown attempt is coming, I've read several articles that cable and satellite are on their "hitlist"...Originally posted by cashman
It should be up to the parent to monitor their kids, just like cable and magazines..Comment
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I think it'll be good for the business. Couldn't be enforced very well tho.<a href='http://stats.ars4real.com/wmref/click.php?type=but&a=1017433'> <img border=1 src='http://stats.ars4real.com/wmref/load.php?type=but&a=1017433'>Comment
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no r34l drama?Originally posted by brizzad
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No aroused genitals or reproductive bodily fluids on any directly accessed domain name. When will you mofo's get the fucking point - that children have a right to reasonable access to the information age.Originally posted by teddyracer1
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/02/on...mut/index.html
According to the Bush administration, they're trying to limit access by minors to adult sites. They want the free content from sponsors not be able to be posted freely on th net without verifying the viewer's age. I don't condone letting minors into my site, but come on, growing up in a major metropolitan city, where most of my friends were older growing up, if you don't see it online, one of your buddies will rip it off from a liquor store, and we'll all get a peek at a friend's house. The point of this post, get involved politically, "write letters to your congressman/woman telling them you want your freedom of speech rights reserved" !!!! Fuck Bush and the Republican Party!!1
Regards,
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I hope your not saying that the internet should be one big Disneyland. Where if it's not suitable for minors, it shouldn't be on the internet.Originally posted by MasterBlogger
No aroused genitals or reproductive bodily fluids on any directly accessed domain name. When will you mofo's get the fucking point - that children have a right to reasonable access to the information age.Comment
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That's bullshit. If its on an adult domain,that isnt tricking younger age surfers into the site, it should not matter what the content is.Originally posted by MasterBlogger
No aroused genitals or reproductive bodily fluids on any directly accessed domain name. When will you mofo's get the fucking point - that children have a right to reasonable access to the information age.
A porn site having porn does not do anything to a childs access to the information age, unless he specifically looks for it, and if that is the case it is a parental issue.
The internet is a completely different medium, and should be governed so. It completely loses its value when you start placing government regulation. You may think it would start and stop with restrictions of the hardest free pornsites, but it wouldnt. Religious folk who believe it is their duty to force their morals on others are very dangerous.
Ill put whatever I want on my domains, they are all registered with the ICRA so if a parent wants their children to not see that sort of thing its very easily done.Last edited by Swiftone; 03-07-2004, 03:23 PM.Yo.Comment
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Children should not have unsupervised access to the internet period. I think that is about as dangerous as leaving them home alone..Comment
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So sad....Comment
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you're right, mardigras.Comment
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COPA isn't dead yet. This is the second time before the Supreme Court for this law. If it passes the big court this is what you can look forward to:
" `(c) AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE-
`(1) DEFENSE- It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this section that the defendant, in good faith, has restricted access by minors to material that is harmful to minors--
`(A) by requiring use of a credit card, debit account, adult access code, or adult personal identification number;
`(B) by accepting a digital certificate that verifies age; or
`(C) by any other reasonable measures that are feasible under available technology."I still love everybodyComment
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That is so sad....Comment
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It's amazing how many idiots put profit before the right to free speech.
There is no amount of money that is worth selling out freedom.
Beyond that, this overbroad unconstitutional law would do nothing to get rid of free porn, it would just make it harder for U.S. adult companies to compete in the marketplace.
I am constantly amazed by the ignorance of some adult webmasters.Comment
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One more thing for those cheering against free speech.
Anyone who has even one picture, article, or video that is offensive to children on their site right now, will be eligible for possible jail time if the law isn't overturned. That includes banners, paysite tours, and everything else.
The law exists right now, the government just can't enforce it until the case is resolved, However, if you have the content on your site now, or if you have in the last few years, you can go to jail if the law if found to be valid.
Almost everyone in the adult industry will be guilty if it is found constitutional. You can be prosecuted for whatever was on any site you owned going back to when the law was signed.
You are a criminal who can be prosecuted at any time for the rest of your life (unless their is a statute of limitations) if the law is found constitutional.
Cheer for that.Comment
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no way
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Option C is interesting. Essentially it might be as easy as a birthday verifier script with declaration that a false statement is purjury and is governmed by the e-sign act. HOWEVER, this is as stupid to me as a disclaimer page. Any kid can click a few buttons and get in anonymously. The truth is that unless a way to legally verify age on the Web (which means surfers cannot surf porn anonymously anymore), not much is going to work. It's going to change sales figures alot as some adults don't have the patience to verify themselves extensively and so # of prospects will decrease. This could have a bigger effect that any visa chargeback rules!Originally posted by titmowse
COPA isn't dead yet. This is the second time before the Supreme Court for this law. If it passes the big court this is what you can look forward to:
" `(c) AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE-
`(1) DEFENSE- It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this section that the defendant, in good faith, has restricted access by minors to material that is harmful to minors--
`(A) by requiring use of a credit card, debit account, adult access code, or adult personal identification number;
`(B) by accepting a digital certificate that verifies age; or
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seems like there's a whole lot of energy being directed at subverting any proposed USA law regarding access to porn by minors.
look, whether there is a law or not, the IDEA that minors should not have access to porn is the right idea.
KIDS shouldn't see porn whether there is a law or not, so stop trying to do a workaround on it.
KIDS can't buy porn memberships whether there is a law or not, so don't waste your bandwidth on them.
do the right thing, the PROACTIVE thing.
get your sites listed with ICRA.
then anyone who doesn't want porn can filter it at the browser level, and parents can setup their machines so kids won't see the smut.
that is the only feasible, responsible solution.Comment
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That's bullshit!Comment
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this is only half correct. they actually go by where the product originates. If you live on Denver, and host your sites in Europe you are still in violation because you are building the sites in Denver.Originally posted by booker
1, that's retarded. As everyone knows you can run a business and host outside of the US. Law ineffective.
2, they'll pass it anyway.. and further restrict the rights of responsible adults in this country. If the Religious Right has their way, the end is near for everyone in the US who likes to enjoy themselves.
Also the supreme court did rule that they can use the community standard law for the internet. So if someone in Oklahoma finds it offensive, they can drag you down to Oklahoma and prosecute you there.Comment
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Look, my main problem with this all is that I do most of my business from SE traffic, if im forced to have some ridiculous AVS front end that effectively kills any and all SE traffic.Originally posted by latinasojourn
seems like there's a whole lot of energy being directed at subverting any proposed USA law regarding access to porn by minors.
look, whether there is a law or not, the IDEA that minors should not have access to porn is the right idea.
KIDS shouldn't see porn whether there is a law or not, so stop trying to do a workaround on it.
KIDS can't buy porn memberships whether there is a law or not, so don't waste your bandwidth on them.
do the right thing, the PROACTIVE thing.
get your sites listed with ICRA.
then anyone who doesn't want porn can filter it at the browser level, and parents can setup their machines so kids won't see the smut.
that is the only feasible, responsible solution.
I already rate with the ICRA, but that doesnt change the fact what they are trying to do is pure bullshit.Yo.Comment
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I think this is true, most paysites don't have affiliate programs. Or at least they aren't reliant on affiliates for income but then I ask you if you own a paysite with no affiliates how do you promote that site. I'm sure some people might be SE Gurus and do just that but I think most of those paysites use TGP galleries, Free and AVS sites to promote themselves.Originally posted by icedemon
Most paysites don't have a affiliate program. So they could care less if the freesites are around or not (and actually prefer them gone).
The few paysites that do rely on affiliates will lose their ass.
The ones that know affiliates are just a form of marketing their site and don't actually rely on them, could give a shit one way or the other. Affiliates are just extra money to them.
Laws like this come and go. It'll be passed and then shot down a couple of months later. Seen it happen before and will probably see it happen again. We are just coming around in full circle is all.Comment
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Affiliates used to bring in the majority of signups for me before these 3rd party billing companies built in a affiliate system for all the paysites. Now everybody and their brother has a affiliate system. The affiliate market is oversaturated now (in my opinion)Originally posted by kane
I think this is true, most paysites don't have affiliate programs. Or at least they aren't reliant on affiliates for income but then I ask you if you own a paysite with no affiliates how do you promote that site. I'm sure some people might be SE Gurus and do just that but I think most of those paysites use TGP galleries, Free and AVS sites to promote themselves.
My paysites bring in the majority of signups from search engines, advertising and plain old link trading with other sites. The people I know with paysites do the same thing.
I'm pretty sure alot of the paysites out there use freesites and TGPs for promoting. But even if freesites and TGPs went away, I don't think it would even hurt those companies that much. Any paysite that relys on one main source of marketing, is risking alot. It's like the 3rd party billers nowadays. If a paysite relys on one 3rd party biller, they are risking alot.Comment
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The sky is falling.
The sky is falling.
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Pssst... the shithead paysite owners used to be gallery submitting webmasters too... and they're still hard-working and ass-busting.Originally posted by teddyracer1
Fuck you shithead paysite owners that say this is good, who the hell do you think promote your programs. We, the hard working, gallery submitting, ass-busting webmasters. Like I said if the boy is 17 and under, it's a no in my book, but his buddies at school is going to have some mags to look at anyways, so who gives a fuck where he gets his porn. His mom and pops should of taught him about the birds and the bees so we hard-working webmasters don't have to!
Any gallery maker or simply NON paysite owner who thinks that giving it all away for free makes good business sense should just get OUT of the business, period.Comment
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by icedemon
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"Affiliates used to bring in the majority of signups for me before these 3rd party billing companies built in a affiliate system for all the paysites. Now everybody and their brother has a affiliate system. The affiliate market is oversaturated now (in my opinion)
My paysites bring in the majority of signups from search engines, advertising and plain old link trading with other sites. The people I know with paysites do the same thing."
there are some big webmasters here that don't use the affiliate model at all.
and do pretty good.
there is a law of diminishing returns.
if you can only creat so much original content, why water it down with affiliates saturating the market?
it's like putting a carrot on a stick in front of the donkey---you payout 50% to affiliates who saturate the market with your best work, which forces you to go out and pay retail creating new content.
so you end up with maybe 20-25% net net.
original content is king. if you have that, you don't need affiliates.Comment
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