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  • Bansheelinks
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    • Apr 2003
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    #1

    Thousands of Florida Ballots Missing in the County With the Most Democrat Voters

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6346293/


    Broward deputy supervisor of elections Gisela Salas said 60,000 absentee ballots, accounting for just over 5 percent of the electorate in the county north of Miami, were sent out between Oct. 7 and Oct. 8 to voters who would not be in town on election day.

    While some had begun to be delivered, her office had been inundated with calls from anxious voters who still had not received their ballots.

    ?It?s really inexplicable at this point in time and the matter is under investigation by law enforcement,? Salas told Reuters.


    ************

    Need I remind you, Broward has easily the most Democrat voters in all of Florida, by far. In fact, without a heavy Broward turnout, Kerry can forget about Florida for sure.

  • Probono
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    • Oct 2002
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    #2
    I wonder if Jeb Bush will have them all completed by election day

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    • Bansheelinks
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      #3
      If there is even a sniff of hanky-panky in Florida we are going to have a full-blown constitutional crisis on our hands come November 3....................

      and not to mention wide-spread rioting & violence........

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      • Bansheelinks
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        #4
        I wonder if the ppl of Broward will be getting them in the mail again? Jeb, can you tell us?

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        • swedguy
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          #5
          Is anyone surprised?

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          • TheLegacy
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            #6
            Originally posted by Probono
            I wonder if Jeb Bush will have them all completed by election day
            exactly what I was thinking - whats to stop Bush from making a few thousand more and sneaking them into a few voting stations - hes so bent on getting back in that he's willing to pull some shit off like that

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            • 12clicks
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              #7
              Originally posted by Bansheelinks
              http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6346293/


              Broward deputy supervisor of elections Gisela Salas said 60,000 absentee ballots, accounting for just over 5 percent of the electorate in the county north of Miami, were sent out between Oct. 7 and Oct. 8 to voters who would not be in town on election day.

              While some had begun to be delivered, her office had been inundated with calls from anxious voters who still had not received their ballots.

              ?It?s really inexplicable at this point in time and the matter is under investigation by law enforcement,? Salas told Reuters.


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              Need I remind you, Broward has easily the most Democrat voters in all of Florida, by far. In fact, without a heavy Broward turnout, Kerry can forget about Florida for sure.

              5% of the electorate is asking for an absentee ballot in a democratic county and you think the fraud is happening because they're not all being returned?
              No son, the fraud is being committed by them being sent out.

              half wit.
              I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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              • 12clicks
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                #8
                Originally posted by TheLegacy
                exactly what I was thinking - whats to stop Bush from making a few thousand more and sneaking them into a few voting stations - hes so bent on getting back in that he's willing to pull some shit off like that
                ahahahaha, silly kids and the lies they'll tell.
                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                • Manowar
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                  • Dec 2003
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                  #9
                  Gotta love cheating, Vote Kerry!

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                  • Bansheelinks
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                    #10
                    yep, 12clicks, it just so happens those ballots go missing in the county with the most democrat voters in florida, which again may be the state that decides this.........just so happens

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                    • blazin
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                      • Aug 2002
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Bansheelinks
                      If there is even a sniff of hanky-panky in Florida we are going to have a full-blown constitutional crisis on our hands come November 3....................

                      and not to mention wide-spread rioting & violence........
                      Somehow I doubt it. Never happened before, why would it happen now
                      I don't endorse a god damn thing......

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                      • Phoenix
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by 12clicks
                        5% of the electorate is asking for an absentee ballot in a democratic county and you think the fraud is happening because they're not all being returned?
                        No son, the fraud is being committed by them being sent out.

                        half wit.
                        haha i alays get a laugh from this guy

                        its like he sits there saying to himself..what is the most ridiculous statement i can come up with...lol

                        good one
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                        • 12clicks
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Phoenix
                          haha i alays get a laugh from this guy

                          its like he sits there saying to himself..what is the most ridiculous statement i can come up with...lol

                          good one
                          oh look, another idiot canadian pretending he understands US elections.
                          I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                          • 12clicks
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Bansheelinks
                            yep, 12clicks, it just so happens those ballots go missing in the county with the most democrat voters in florida, which again may be the state that decides this.........just so happens
                            I'll explain it for you slow kids.
                            5% of the electorate do not need absentee ballots. This ballots a taken by people willing to cheat the system. They don't all return because some cheaters don't go thru with it and others take more ballots than they think they can cheat with.
                            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                            • Phoenix
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by 12clicks
                              oh look, another idiot canadian pretending he understands US elections.


                              nice...dont stray from your usual comments you might catch someone by suprise one day..lol
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                              • Sarabi
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by 12clicks
                                I'll explain it for you slow kids.
                                5% of the electorate do not need absentee ballots. This ballots a taken by people willing to cheat the system. They don't all return because some cheaters don't go thru with it and others take more ballots than they think they can cheat with.
                                The problem isn't with people 'returning' their absentee ballots...the problem is that people are not receiving the absentee ballots they requested! People who are calling to try and find out why they have not received their ballots does not equal people trying to cheat they system.

                                60,000 absentee ballots disappearing somewhere in between the elections office and people's mailbox = ????

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                                • Veterans Day
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                                  #17
                                  I love the riot theories.
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                                  • Danny_C
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                                    #18
                                    Has an election ever been this chaotic this early in the process? I think next week could get a bit ugly.

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                                    • Bansheelinks
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Danny_C
                                      Has an election ever been this chaotic this early in the process? I think next week could get a bit ugly.
                                      here's what I predict:

                                      Bush sadly will win a close election, based on the polling which basically has him in slim leads everytime.........he will win Florida in another close count.............there will be controversy............there will be rioting..............there will be violence.............again we will have a president seen by a great deal of Americans as an illegitimate president, an "un-president."

                                      Don't believe it? Watch it unfold next week.

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                                      • stocktrader23
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Bansheelinks
                                        here's what I predict:

                                        Bush sadly will win a close election, based on the polling which basically has him in slim leads everytime.........he will win Florida in another close count.............there will be controversy............there will be rioting..............there will be violence.............again we will have a president seen by a great deal of Americans as an illegitimate president, an "un-president."

                                        Don't believe it? Watch it unfold next week.
                                        Here's something to chew on. Gore was behind 6 to 9% in the polls. He won the popular vote.

                                        Here's another. Undecideds go 2/3 to the challenger usually.

                                        Here's 1 more. Kerry will win by more than a slim margin as I predicted before the debates.

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                                        • woodman
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Probono
                                          I wonder if Jeb Bush will have them all completed by election day
                                          The elections supervisors in all three SFL counties are democrats, the same as in 2000. I guess the republicans are now conspiring with the USPS in regards to fraud?

                                          <looks for tin hat>

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                                          • benc
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                                            #22
                                            There has already been a lot of vandalism to Bush/Cheney headquarters.

                                            Edwards whale of a wife has inferred in a statment that if they don't win people should riot.

                                            If it comes down to Florida, there will be some riots.
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                                            • Morphious
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                                              #23
                                              As long as there is a Bush in office in Florida, G Bush will win there no matter what!

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                                              • Peaches
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                                                #24
                                                I think it's funny people think something lost in the US Mail is a vast right wing conspiracy. Happens all the time for me and has for decades. When I lived in the burbs, we used to meet in the cul de sac once a week to trade misdelivered mail.

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                                                • spanky part 2
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                  I'll explain it for you slow kids.
                                                  5% of the electorate do not need absentee ballots. This ballots a taken by people willing to cheat the system. They don't all return because some cheaters don't go thru with it and others take more ballots than they think they can cheat with.
                                                  Sounds to me like 12 clicks is about 11 short of a dozen.

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                                                  • VeriSexy
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                                                    #26
                                                    Here we go again, I guess 4 more years
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                                                    • Bansheelinks
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Peaches
                                                      I think it's funny people think something lost in the US Mail is a vast right wing conspiracy. Happens all the time for me and has for decades. When I lived in the burbs, we used to meet in the cul de sac once a week to trade misdelivered mail.
                                                      Yep.........60,000 absentee ballots in Florida's biggest Democrat county..........LOST.

                                                      People have been complaining they didn't receive their ballots as requested by them. Broward is very pro-Democrat. Without Broward, Kerry can't even begin to hope to win Florida. Not that I think he will. I predict Bush will win Florida and the election in a close one, as much as I hate to say it. The lawyers will get involved and stir things up..........and there will be a crisis and violence, with Bush/Gollum looking on and every once in awhile, shreaking like the chimp he is.

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                                                      • Peaches
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                                                        • Oct 2002
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Bansheelinks
                                                        Yep.........60,000 absentee ballots in Florida's biggest Democrat county..........LOST.

                                                        Uh, where did they say 60K were lost? Where did they say how many people had not received them? Please read your own links. "hundreds of others have called to complain their forms have not arrived.".

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                                                        • Axeman
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Bansheelinks
                                                          here's what I predict:

                                                          Bush sadly will win a close election, based on the polling which basically has him in slim leads everytime.........he will win Florida in another close count.............there will be controversy............there will be rioting..............there will be violence.............again we will have a president seen by a great deal of Americans as an illegitimate president, an "un-president."

                                                          Don't believe it? Watch it unfold next week.
                                                          Don't forget the insane ammount of youth that have registered to vote this year, college students will play a massive factor in this election and they are not included in the current polls being shown. Also people who only have cell phones also are not counted in the polls, ie college students.

                                                          After the depression they polled people by phones and it showed Eisenhower was going to LOSE in a landslide, but because most people couldnt afford phones at the time, the results were totally the opposite.

                                                          This very well could be repeated this year.
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                                                          • JerseyPuma
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Axeman
                                                            Don't forget the insane ammount of youth that have registered to vote this year, college students will play a massive factor in this election and they are not included in the current polls being shown. Also people who only have cell phones also are not counted in the polls, ie college students.

                                                            After the depression they polled people by phones and it showed Eisenhower was going to LOSE in a landslide, but because most people couldnt afford phones at the time, the results were totally the opposite.

                                                            This very well could be repeated this year.
                                                            Count my girlfriend and three of her friends among those college students who sent for absentee ballots from Broward County and never received them. She wasnt trying to cheat, just cast her vote.
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                                                            • Phoenix
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Peaches
                                                              I think it's funny people think something lost in the US Mail is a vast right wing conspiracy. Happens all the time for me and has for decades. When I lived in the burbs, we used to meet in the cul de sac once a week to trade misdelivered mail.
                                                              i think you are funny
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                                                              • Kre8t0r
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Peaches
                                                                I think it's funny people think something lost in the US Mail is a vast right wing conspiracy. Happens all the time for me and has for decades. When I lived in the burbs, we used to meet in the cul de sac once a week to trade misdelivered mail.

                                                                I understand the mail isn't perfect but 60,000 missing pieces of mail... I hate living in a state that can't manage to vote like the other 49.

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                                                                • sickkittens
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by swedguy
                                                                  Is anyone surprised?
                                                                  Nope. It's amazing how they can continue to fuck with the system.

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                                                                  • TheLegacy
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by spanky part 2
                                                                    Sounds to me like 12 clicks is about 11 short of a dozen.
                                                                    agree with you totally.. when it comes to 12clicks, I refuse to talk to underage surfers pretending to be part of an adult board. 12clicks I assume is his age on a bicycle speedometer

                                                                    like SexEd - I blocked the child and his whining - hm.. interesting thought, I think the two of them are made for each other

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                                                                    • Peaches
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Kre8t0r
                                                                      I understand the mail isn't perfect but 60,000 missing pieces of mail... I hate living in a state that can't manage to vote like the other 49.
                                                                      Again, the article states "hundreds of others have called to complain their forms have not arrived.".

                                                                      HUNDREDS. Not 60,000.

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                                                                      • Sarabi
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                                                                        • Nov 2003
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Peaches
                                                                        Again, the article states "hundreds of others have called to complain their forms have not arrived.".

                                                                        HUNDREDS. Not 60,000.
                                                                        Fair enough, it's not listed in that msnbc report, but those of us who live in this f'd up state have been hearing the numbers all day.

                                                                        "A day after acknowledging that up to 58,000 absentee ballots have not reached the voters who requested them, Elections Supervisor Brenda Snipes decided to mail new ones."

                                                                        http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...home-headlines

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                                                                        • h0st
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Shit happens
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                                                                          • Kre8t0r
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Glad I didn't request one as I am in Broward.. I thought it would be better than voting at a place I can't even say.. Casa del something or other is the place where I cast my vote for the US elections.... sad IMO

                                                                            We need Jeb to take a hike! It's just too funny that since family runs Florida we can't manage a straight up election. They are still "finding" things from 2000. Anyone know the exchange rate for the Bahamas or Mexico maybe??

                                                                            I can't see any way this won't turn into another nightmare for Florida. We couldn't manage "hanging chads" how the fuck are these people going to handle a video game now. The average age for a pole official is 75 I'm sure none of them have any "memory" issues and they all are experts with computerized voting (grumble grumble). I'll cast my vote and come home and pray it gets counted. Even though I doubt it will matter much here.

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                                                                            • 12clicks
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              I'm hoping for riots and the shooting of rioters.
                                                                              that many less liberals next election.
                                                                              I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                              • 12clicks
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by TheLegacy
                                                                                agree with you totally.. when it comes to 12clicks, I refuse to talk to underage surfers pretending to be part of an adult board. 12clicks I assume is his age on a bicycle speedometer

                                                                                like SexEd - I blocked the child and his whining - hm.. interesting thought, I think the two of them are made for each other
                                                                                oh shit, I've been outed by a director of marketing and sales!
                                                                                whatever will I do?
                                                                                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                • davidd
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Bansheelinks
                                                                                  If there is even a sniff of hanky-panky in Florida we are going to have a full-blown constitutional crisis on our hands come November 3....................

                                                                                  and not to mention wide-spread rioting & violence........
                                                                                  Thank god the Democrats are anti-gun then... This clearly gives the upper hand to the freedom fighters.

                                                                                  People will be able to clip some tree huggers for free that day.

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                                                                                  • davidd
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    What still amazes me is the amount of people who think this election will be a 'nail biter'.

                                                                                    There will be a clear winner, known the night of the election. If you still believe these poll results being broadcast on TV you are living in a vacuum.

                                                                                    This will not be a close election!

                                                                                    -dd

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                                                                                    • rbrruss
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      My girlfriend and I are two of the 58,000.

                                                                                      I requested my absentee ballot at the end of September. I was told at that point it would be mailed out on Oct. 11.

                                                                                      I waited until Oct. 18, and then tried to call about it. The phone was constantly busy. So I used the online email form that is provided on the SOE website. I still haven't gotten a reply from that.

                                                                                      On Oct. 20 I called again and finally got someone on the line. I was told my ballot went out on either Oct. 18 or 19, but that it definitely went out.

                                                                                      Finally, on Oct 26, I decided to just go and do the early voting. So, I stood in line for 90 minutes and cast my ballot. The woman working at the poll said the computer showed my absentee getting mailed on Oct. 22. It is the 28th now and it still hasn't arrived.

                                                                                      I know of 5 other people that this has happened to.

                                                                                      Sad.

                                                                                      Now, I'm just gonna sit here and see what arrives first: my absentee ballot or my ibill check. Anyone want to wager?
                                                                                      Last edited by rbrruss; 10-28-2004, 11:14 AM.

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                                                                                      • Project-Shadow
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        How long does it take for the ballots to be counted?

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                                                                                        • Bansheelinks
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by rbrruss
                                                                                          My girlfriend and I are two of the 58,000.

                                                                                          Finally, on Oct 26, I decided to just go and do the early voting. So, I stood in line for 90 minutes and cast my ballot. The woman working at the poll said the computer showed my absentee getting mailed on Oct. 22. It is the 28th now and it still hasn't arrived.

                                                                                          I know of 5 other people that this has happened to.

                                                                                          Sad.

                                                                                          When you stood in line rbrruss, what was the consensus around of those you talked to? Were most voting Dem.?

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                                                                                          • rbrruss
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Bansheelinks
                                                                                            When you stood in line rbrruss, what was the consensus around of those you talked to? Were most voting Dem.?
                                                                                            It was kind of hard to tell just by looking at the people in line. Some had on pins/stickers/etc, but most didn't have any outward signs of who they were supporting. If I had to guess, I would say it seemed more pro-kerry than pro-bush. But maybe that was just wishful thinking on my part.

                                                                                            There was one guy wearing a shirt that said "partnership for a god-free america" on it. I think it was safe to assume he was voting against bush. :o)

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                                                                                            • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                              ahahahaha, silly kids and the lies they'll tell.
                                                                                              ahahaahaha, silly Presidents and the lies they'll tell.

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                                                                                              • TheJimmy
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                                                                                Here's something to chew on. Gore was behind 6 to 9% in the polls. He won the popular vote.

                                                                                                Here's another. Undecideds go 2/3 to the challenger usually.

                                                                                                Here's 1 more. Kerry will win by more than a slim margin as I predicted before the debates.

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                                                                                                • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                  oh shit, I've been outed by a director of marketing and sales!
                                                                                                  whatever will I do?
                                                                                                  ...says the loser who spent 15 years as a roofer.



                                                                                                  You're a classic.

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                                                                                                  • CET
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    I'm reluctant to believe that this isn't just BS. There are pamphlets going around instructing democrat voters on how to "pre-emptively" cry vote fraud.
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                                                                                                    "Just as a man who has fallen into a heap of filth ought to seek the great pond of water covered with lotuses, which is near by: even so seek thou for the great deathless lake of Nirvana to wash off the defilement of wrong. If the lake is not sought, it is not the fault of the lake."

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