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  • greentea
    Confirmed User
    • Mar 2002
    • 6580

    #1

    Jive your right there all shaving!

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    Brull Piccionelli Sarno Braun & Vradenburgh
    A Professional Association
    1925 Century Park East, Suite 2350
    Los Angeles, CA 90067
    Tel: (310) 553-3375
    Fax: (310) 553-4120

    November 13, 2001

    Via FEDERAL EXPRESS and
    EMAIL: [email protected]

    Robert A. Sarno
    E-mail: [email protected]
    Direct Line: (323) 666-0485

    Mr. Jive
    (Deleted)
    Vancouver, BC CAN V5N2R6

    Re: RJB Telecom, Inc.; Robert Botto
    Legal Action for Defamation/ Cease and Desist Notice

    Mr.Jive : This law firm represents both RJB Telecom, Inc., the operator of the Maximum Cash (MaxCash) webmaster affiliate program, and Robert Botto, individually.

    It has come to my clients' attention that you have been publishing false defamatory and malicious statements and accusations on the Internet directed against RJB Telecom, the Maximum Cash Program and Robert Botto. I have attached a copy of the text of the identical messages you posted on November 12, 2001 at the following urls: www.privatelabelresources.com and www.trafficswap.com. In both instances you posted these messages under the name "Jive". The email address for Jive is (deleted). I have also sent you a copy of this letter at that email address.

    As I indicated, I have attached your statement in its entirety to this letter. Without going into all of the objectionable particulars of your statement, I would simply point out that you falsely accuse the Maximum Cash program as being fraudulent and that the owner of Maximum Cash, i.e., "RB" (Robert Botto) as being a "manipulator and a cheater" who is "scamming" participating webmasters by "shaving" traffic figures and "ripping" them off (i.e., defrauding them of commissions to which they are entitled). All of these allegations of wrong doing on the part of Robert Botto, RJB Telecom, Inc., and Maximum Cash are totally baseless, untrue and false. Your false statements are made either made with knowledge of the falsity of those statements or with a reckless disregard of the falsity of those statements. Moreover, your defamation falsely implies that Robert Botto is engaging in criminal conduct, and therefore constitutes libel per se.

    This is to put you on notice that your false and slanderous statements and accusations against my clients constitute intentional defamation and tortuous interference with prospective business opportunities. Your false and defamatory statements, published in the chat rooms of web sites catering to adult webmasters, appear to be designed and calculated to inflict the greatest possible damage on my clients' business interests and reputation within the very industry that they do business.

    On behalf of my clients I make a formal demand on you to immediately cease and desist from any further publication, either in writing or verbally, of defamatory and slanderous false statements and accusations against RJB Telecom, Inc., the Maximum Cash Affiliate Program, Robert Botto or any other person or persons associated with any of them.

    If we determine that you make any further defamatory or slanderous statements regarding my clients, my law firm has been authorized to take all appropriate actions to protect their rights, including filing a complaint against you for your willful and malicious tortuous actions in which we will seek maximum monetary damages, including compensatory and punitive damages, injunctive relief and attorneys fees.

    I note that your address is in Canada. Lest you mistakenly believe that your actions can not be punished or that you can escape liability because your residence is outside the United States, let me assure you that we are fully prepared to pursue this matter in the United States Federal District Court or, if necessary, to engage our Canadian attorneys to prosecute this matter against you directly in the appropriate Canadian courts.

    Please henceforth direct all communications concerning this matter to the undersigned.
    I look forward to your timely response, and thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation. On the other hand, should you choose not be cooperative, rest assured that this law firm will vigorously and ardently pursue every legal avenue available to vindicate my clients' rights and secure full compensation for their damages.

    I strongly urge you to contact me directly upon receipt of this letter to communicate your unconditional agreement to comply. If I do not receive a satisfactory response from you within 5 days of receipt of this letter I will proceed with filing a lawsuit against you.

    This letter is written without prejudice to any rights of our clients, including, but not limited to, rights to injunctive relief, compensatory and punitive damages and attrorneys' fees.

    Very truly yours,

    Robert A. Sarno


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    For those of you with a Maxcash reseller account here is the full thread link:

    http://forums.maxcash.com/showthrea...e=&view=&sb=&o=
    blunts
  • Lane
    Will code for food...
    • Apr 2001
    • 8496

    #2
    "they're"

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    • greentea
      Confirmed User
      • Mar 2002
      • 6580

      #3
      bump for jive turkey
      blunts

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      • twistyneck
        So Fucking Banned
        • Jan 2002
        • 4660

        #4
        *Scratches Max Cash off the list of sponsors to try someday.*

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        • greentea
          Confirmed User
          • Mar 2002
          • 6580

          #5
          Originally posted by twistyneck
          *Scratches Max Cash off the list of sponsors to try someday.*
          Why would you do that?, Because there protecting there good name and business against a MORON such as jive turkey?
          blunts

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          • twistyneck
            So Fucking Banned
            • Jan 2002
            • 4660

            #6
            Originally posted by greentea


            Why would you do that?, Because there protecting there good name and business against a MORON such a jive turkey?
            Because they sound like dickheads that take message boards a little too seriously.

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            • Dveron
              Confirmed User
              • Dec 2002
              • 2794

              #7
              Haha that's great. I knew that whiny, paranoid fucker would get busted for slander sometime, just surprised some of the other sponsors he badmouthed here didn't get there before Max Cash.

              Max Cash are good people
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              • integrated
                Confirmed User
                • Apr 2003
                • 3826

                #8
                i've seen a few of them in my time

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                • psyko514
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                  • Oct 2002
                  • 22366

                  #9
                  fucking right. my respect for maxcash just jumped several levels.

                  it's about time this idiot gets sued for slander and libel.

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                  • candidpublishinginc
                    Confirmed User
                    • Feb 2001
                    • 707

                    #10
                    Originally posted by twistyneck


                    Because they sound like dickheads that take message boards a little too seriously.
                    You are clueless.

                    I support Max Cash's actions and wish the the best of luck. It's about time sponsors stopped taking the bullshit badmouthing that some webmasters do.
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                    • - Jesus Christ -
                      Confirmed User
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 7197

                      #11
                      This pic represents the situation quite nicely


                      Amen

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                      • Dveron
                        Confirmed User
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 2794

                        #12
                        Originally posted by twistyneck
                        *Scratches Max Cash off the list of sponsors to try someday.*
                        Wonder how many folks did just that after seeing Jive spewing his usual bullshit about them here?
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                        • integrated
                          Confirmed User
                          • Apr 2003
                          • 3826

                          #13
                          i just noticed the title of the thread and it seems the creator of this thread is supporting JIVE so it is also LIBEL

                          another thing isnt it illegal to post such letters

                          i smell a law suit

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                          • Digipimp
                            BP4L OT DL
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 13481

                            #14
                            Send them a letter back telling them to go fuck themselves is what he should do.

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                            • greentea
                              Confirmed User
                              • Mar 2002
                              • 6580

                              #15
                              Originally posted by integrated
                              i just noticed the title of the thread and it seems the creator of this thread is supporting JIVE so it is also LIBEL

                              another thing isnt it illegal to post such letters

                              i smell a law suit

                              please make it stop!! please make it stop!!
                              blunts

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                              • nojob
                                The Original NoJob
                                • Feb 2004
                                • 3682

                                #16
                                Originally posted by candidpublishinginc


                                You are clueless.

                                I support Max Cash's actions and wish the the best of luck. It's about time sponsors stopped taking the bullshit badmouthing that some webmasters do.
                                I feel the same way. If you take food out of my mouth Ill squash you. I hate webmasters that do not know how to convet.

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                                • integrated
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Apr 2003
                                  • 3826

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by greentea



                                  please make it stop!! please make it stop!!
                                  i call it like i see it

                                  if you dont like that,

                                  well thats your problem not mine

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                                  • psyko514
                                    See sig. Join Epic Cash.
                                    • Oct 2002
                                    • 22366

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by twistyneck


                                    Because they sound like dickheads that take message boards a little too seriously.
                                    Jive posts on several message boards accusing many programs of shaving, bad management, etc. He sends traffic through type-in domains and he thinks the traffic he's sending is worth more than gold.

                                    At one point, on the WEGCash forums, he accused them of shaving and said his stats were at 0:800 or something. When someone from the program looked at his account, his stats were about 1:250. He still accused them of shaving.

                                    He has accused MaxCash, WEGCash and ARS amongst others. In his opinion, whoever defends the company is either on the payroll of the company or is a moderator on the forum he's posting on.

                                    Now we're all aware of your feelings on affiliate programs, but all feelings aside, they get a lot of business from message boards. Someone libeling a program on GFY is like a store taking a full page ad out in the local newspaper libeling their competition.

                                    Unfortunately, people believe what they read and a lot of people take the message boards seriously. If you gave me a week or two, I could convince people here that your website is loaded with stolen content or that you're a pedophile. It would be false, but people would believe it.

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                                    • greentea
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Mar 2002
                                      • 6580

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by psyko514


                                      Jive posts on several message boards accusing many programs of shaving, bad management, etc. He sends traffic through type-in domains and he thinks the traffic he's sending is worth more than gold.

                                      At one point, on the WEGCash forums, he accused them of shaving and said his stats were at 0:800 or something. When someone from the program looked at his account, his stats were about 1:250. He still accused them of shaving.

                                      He has accused MaxCash, WEGCash and ARS amongst others. In his opinion, whoever defends the company is either on the payroll of the company or is a moderator on the forum he's posting on.

                                      Now we're all aware of your feelings on affiliate programs, but all feelings aside, they get a lot of business from message boards. Someone libeling a program on GFY is like a store taking a full page ad out in the local newspaper libeling their competition.

                                      Unfortunately, people believe what they read and a lot of people take the message boards seriously. If you gave me a week or two, I could convince people here that your website is loaded with stolen content or that you're a pedophile. It would be false, but people would believe it.


                                      Exactly, well said!
                                      blunts

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                                      • the Shemp
                                        congrats to the winners
                                        • Nov 2001
                                        • 10891

                                        #20
                                        that letter goes back to 2001
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                                        • KMR Stitch
                                          I am cool
                                          • Jul 2003
                                          • 14494

                                          #21
                                          Burn the fucker!

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                                          • KRL
                                            Entrepreneur
                                            • Oct 2002
                                            • 31429

                                            #22
                                            All I can say Jive is don't fuck with the Botto boys. Their pockets are deep, they're very well connected and you're stepping into a quicksand trap if you think you can play games with their rep and get away with it without legal recourse.

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                                            • WiredGuy
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                                              • Aug 2002
                                              • 34515

                                              #23
                                              I thought Jive likes to collect C&D's. His accusations around the boards surely make me believe so.

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                                              • AWW - Kevin
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Jan 2002
                                                • 2353

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by the Shemp
                                                that letter goes back to 2001
                                                pssst don't tell them


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                                                • Grammar Police
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                  • 727

                                                  #25
                                                  you're

                                                  they're

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                                                  • Brujah
                                                    Beer Money Baron
                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                    • 22157

                                                    #26
                                                    <img src="http://www.gofuckyourself.com/images/smilies/1orglaugh.gif" width=400>

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                                                    • cashman
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                      • 898

                                                      #27
                                                      That's B.S., Fuck Maximum Cash

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                                                      • greentea
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Mar 2002
                                                        • 6580

                                                        #28
                                                        blunts

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                                                        • Ic3m4nZ
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                          • 6285

                                                          #29
                                                          Jive is right on some programs

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                                                          • Headless
                                                            Registered User
                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                            • 26727

                                                            #30
                                                            bump

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                                                            • zzgundamnzz
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Apr 2002
                                                              • 6102

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by psyko514
                                                              Jive posts on several message boards accusing many programs of shaving, bad management, etc. He sends traffic through type-in domains and he thinks the traffic he's sending is worth more than gold.

                                                              At one point, on the WEGCash forums, he accused them of shaving and said his stats were at 0:800 or something. When someone from the program looked at his account, his stats were about 1:250. He still accused them of shaving.

                                                              He has accused MaxCash, WEGCash and ARS amongst others. In his opinion, whoever defends the company is either on the payroll of the company or is a moderator on the forum he's posting on.

                                                              Now we're all aware of your feelings on affiliate programs, but all feelings aside, they get a lot of business from message boards. Someone libeling a program on GFY is like a store taking a full page ad out in the local newspaper libeling their competition.

                                                              Unfortunately, people believe what they read and a lot of people take the message boards seriously. If you gave me a week or two, I could convince people here that your website is loaded with stolen content or that you're a pedophile. It would be false, but people would believe it.
                                                              I agree, with what you said. Its not right when someone does false accusations to a program just to generate publicity...


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                                                              • TheFrog
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Jan 2004
                                                                • 4095

                                                                #32
                                                                I support Max cash in this issue

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                                                                • CuriousToyBoy2
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • Apr 2004
                                                                  • 707

                                                                  #33
                                                                  The only thing WE shave is our boys.

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