I just saw the movie. In no way did I or anyone else walk out fo the theatre wanting to kill the "jews". Who ever bitched about this movie is a fucking moron.
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I agree 100%
I saw it Fri night and from what I saw in the movie - most of the Jews were crying that jesus was being crucified
it was the Pharisees and the Sadducees who wanted him dead - they brought in their own rabble of people for the "lynch mob"
anyone who bitches about is has their head up their ass#RememberYourRoots #AaronMForGFYHOF
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Anyone who says that Mel Gibson is being held back by Hollywood is an even bigger fucking moron.Comment
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Kick ass movie, congrats Mel and to those that have their head up their ass, don't fart!
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Everything is anti jew according to the jews...Comment
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Well, he is boycotted all over town by the Jews and people who don't want to be boycotted for not boycotting him. Luckily he is able to do his own stuff now.Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Anyone who says that Mel Gibson is being held back by Hollywood is an even bigger fucking moron.
I hope to see more movies from Gibson, both an excellent actor and producer.Comment
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Sadduccees and Pharisees are Jews. All the Jews in the movie look horrible except for the few that support Jesus.
I'm curious. How many millions of Jews do Christians (or the children of Christians such as Nazis) have to murder before Jews are allowed to publicly express concerns about a movie that revives the old charge of deicide -- that Jews killed god. This charge has been responsible for the Christian murder of tens of thousands of Jews throughout history, particularly after performances of passion plays (upon which this movie is modeled).
How much Jewish blood do you guys want? How many of us have to die before you think it is OK for us to say we've had enough?Comment
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cmon, you completely run this countries, money and media. Isn't that enough for you?
For all I know, Jesus was just a ancient Jimmy Swaggert, but the Jews did kill the guy.Comment
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Originally posted by Deepundercover
Sadduccees and Pharisees are Jews. All the Jews in the movie look horrible except for the few that support Jesus.
I'm curious. How many millions of Jews do Christians (or the children of Christians such as Nazis) have to murder before Jews are allowed to publicly express concerns about a movie that revives the old charge of deicide -- that Jews killed god. This charge has been responsible for the Christian murder of tens of thousands of Jews throughout history, particularly after performances of passion plays (upon which this movie is modeled).
How much Jewish blood do you guys want? How many of us have to die before you think it is OK for us to say we've had enough?
have another one you fucking dummy.
Jews killed god huh?Comment
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Is this a parody of a Jew? Or is this a real Jew whining dramatically over the fact that a few thinking people are not agreeing with hypocritical Hollywood Jews for once? You decide.Originally posted by Deepundercover
Sadduccees and Pharisees are Jews. All the Jews in the movie look horrible except for the few that support Jesus.
I'm curious. How many millions of Jews do Christians (or the children of Christians such as Nazis) have to murder before Jews are allowed to publicly express concerns about a movie that revives the old charge of deicide -- that Jews killed god. This charge has been responsible for the Christian murder of tens of thousands of Jews throughout history, particularly after performances of passion plays (upon which this movie is modeled).
How much Jewish blood do you guys want? How many of us have to die before you think it is OK for us to say we've had enough?Comment
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All this religious talk is a bunch of crap. religious differences are responsible for more death then anything else on this planet.
Why can't people just leave it alone?
I'm jewish, could care less about jesus and what happened there or that movie.
Mel Gibson was ok in the few movies I saw him before and if another good action movie comes, I'll probably go see it too.
On another note, Mel Gibson made so far good return on his investment and it's far from over.. so he's in a different league then many actors now, a league I care about and admire - making money and marketing.Comment
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Ok, I'll let you pull me down to your level this time. Here we go.Originally posted by Deepundercover
Sadduccees and Pharisees are Jews. All the Jews in the movie look horrible except for the few that support Jesus.
I'm curious. How many millions of Jews do Christians (or the children of Christians such as Nazis) have to murder before Jews are allowed to publicly express concerns about a movie that revives the old charge of deicide -- that Jews killed god. This charge has been responsible for the Christian murder of tens of thousands of Jews throughout history, particularly after performances of passion plays (upon which this movie is modeled).
How much Jewish blood do you guys want? How many of us have to die before you think it is OK for us to say we've had enough?
Why are you so MEAN to me?? Why do you HATE my people? My people, oh, through times they have been persecuted by your evil people, how much more blood do you want? Stop disagreeing with the statement of my brothers in Hollywood, and stop the bloodshed! We can't take this anymore! We are a little people and you have murdered us in vast numbers, like the Romans supposedly burned several BILLION Jewish children on a giant bonfire when they had their will (never mind the fact that there weren't that many people on the whole planet at that point in history). Oh, God, pity us. We are so poor and oppressed. If you don't see things from our perspective soon there will be another bloodbath, and you will KILL us all because you are so evil and we are so innocent and you are envious of us! How much more BLOOD????Comment
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Surprise surprise.Originally posted by shepherd
I'm jewish ... a league I care about and admire - making money and marketing.
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It's not a surprise at all. If you never fought for your livelihood, for survival, for your race, you will never understand.
Black people do get it.
Just saw this week a movie, "Deacons for Defense" .. take a look and maybe it will hit you why black people in this country fight for their success as well.Comment
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I think you are missing something. I'm White. White people who "fight" for "their race" are "racists" and are kicked out of their jobs, denied many public and private services, beaten up, and even spied on and imprisoned in many countries. The efforts of your people were important in making it so.Originally posted by shepherd
It's not a surprise at all. If you never fought for your livelihood, for survival, for your race, you will never understand.
Black people do get it.
Just saw this week a movie, "Deacons for Defense" .. take a look and maybe it will hit you why black people in this country fight for their success as well.
Thank you for raising the point.Comment
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People are just too damn sensitive, nobody likes to get criticized, but common..Comment
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All Jews in the movie look horrible? What the hell does that mean? This is a story depicting, on film, the last 12 hours of Jesus' life as told in the Bible and some supplementary texts. In the bible and these texts, it is the Jewish counsel who calls for the crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth. Did you expect these Jews to be shown in the movie with huge smiles on their faces carrying balloons and sucking on lollipops? And who can really even say what happened that day? Certainly not any of us. Its a movie based on some books. Thats all.Originally posted by Deepundercover
Sadduccees and Pharisees are Jews. All the Jews in the movie look horrible except for the few that support Jesus.
I suppose you and all the organizations who came out against this movie (based on a fucking leaked script BEFORE it even was near the theatres) had grand visions of Christians all over the world taking up arms and indiscriminately killing every Jew whose path they crossed? After talking to people who saw the movie and who didnt have a previous knowledge of the bible, I realized that they wouldnt have even known it was the Jews who called for Jesus' execution in the movie had it not been for the huge media extravaganza detailing the flick before they even saw it. Sorta like, "Oh, you mean those guys with the big hats were the Jews?"I'm curious. How many millions of Jews do Christians (or the children of Christians such as Nazis) have to murder before Jews are allowed to publicly express concerns about a movie that revives the old charge of deicide -- that Jews killed god. This charge has been responsible for the Christian murder of tens of thousands of Jews throughout history, particularly after performances of passion plays (upon which this movie is modeled).
How much Jewish blood do you guys want? How many of us have to die before you think it is OK for us to say we've had enough? [/B]
I think you might find this article an interesting read. It was written by a Jewish Rabbi that hosts a radio show.
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Yea - that makes sense.Originally posted by shepherd
All this religious talk is a bunch of crap ...I'm jewish
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Didn't the Romans kill Jesus? The Jews only dropped the dime on him right? Maybe I need to read the book first then see the movie.ICQ#: 142295729Comment
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Luke, please read my letter to the Washington Post. It addresses some of the idiocy you spout off about:Originally posted by Deepundercover
Sadduccees and Pharisees are Jews. All the Jews in the movie look horrible except for the few that support Jesus.
I'm curious. How many millions of Jews do Christians (or the children of Christians such as Nazis) have to murder before Jews are allowed to publicly express concerns about a movie that revives the old charge of deicide -- that Jews killed god. This charge has been responsible for the Christian murder of tens of thousands of Jews throughout history, particularly after performances of passion plays (upon which this movie is modeled).
How much Jewish blood do you guys want? How many of us have to die before you think it is OK for us to say we've had enough?
Mr. Cohen,
This is written in response to your article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...3-2004Mar1.html
First of all, let me tell you that I am not a Christian. I am a pornographer, actually. I photograph naked college aged girls for several different adult websites. I really can't stand to set foot in a church, nor can I stand most of the people that attend most churches.
But I WAS raised in church for most of my childhood. I was forced to attend each Sunday, memorize Bible verses, and witness hypocrisy (maybe that explains my profession - I've become relatively well known in the adult world - just do a google search for "Donovan Phillips" and you'll see what I mean).
Your article about the "Passion of the Christ" did anger me, however. Pure ignorance always angers me. Most of the time I am angered by the ignorance of Christians toward the beliefs of those who do not accept the teachings of the Bible. In my opinion, most of them don't realize that "Christian" is supposed to signify someone who is "Christ Like". Christ spent his time with prostitutes, thieves and other "undesireable" people simply because he wanted them to see that he loved them no matter what "sins" they'd committed.
Your ignorance annoyed me just as much as the ignorance of the aforementioned "Christians". You are supposed to be a journalist. An educated man. A fair man. Your article showed no evidence of any of those characteristics. If you had done just a small amount of research you'd known that Mel Gibson's mission was to reproduce the story of Christ's last 14 hours as accurately as he could. His movie makes the assumption that the Bible is true and accurate. He is not basing the story on "Mel Gibson's personal opinions". If the film is "anti-semetic" (it's not), then it is the BIBLE that is anti-semetic (funny thing: the Bible was written by Jews). If the film is "indescribably and inexcusably gory", then it's the BIBLE that is "indescribably and inexcusably gory". Mel Gibson told the story exactly as the Bible portrayed it. If I were to tell the horrible truth of the cruelties of the Holocaust, would that make me anti-German? No. It would make me an accurate historian. THAT is exactly what Mel Gibson accomplished: the most accurate portrayal (to date) of the events claimed in the Bible.
Please, Mr. Cohen, I implore you to practice responsible journalism in the future. You completely missed the boat in this instance.
Sincerely,
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I agree, all those people protesting and calling it anti-semetic probably never even saw it...
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Whats going to be next colored people trying to ban all Civil War era movies? I can just see it now: We were never slaves you take back everything thats happend in history cause it was never true.Originally posted by Deepundercover
Sadduccees and Pharisees are Jews. All the Jews in the movie look horrible except for the few that support Jesus.
I'm curious. How many millions of Jews do Christians (or the children of Christians such as Nazis) have to murder before Jews are allowed to publicly express concerns about a movie that revives the old charge of deicide -- that Jews killed god. This charge has been responsible for the Christian murder of tens of thousands of Jews throughout history, particularly after performances of passion plays (upon which this movie is modeled).
How much Jewish blood do you guys want? How many of us have to die before you think it is OK for us to say we've had enough?
The fact is the Jewish Historian Josephus says that the council was responsible for the death of Jesus.
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you sir are an idiotOriginally posted by Headless
I just saw the movie. In no way did I or anyone else walk out fo the theatre wanting to kill the "jews". Who ever bitched about this movie is a fucking moron.
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are you jew?Originally posted by pradaboy
you sir are an idiot
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Originally posted by Deepundercover
Sadduccees and Pharisees are Jews. All the Jews in the movie look horrible except for the few that support Jesus.
I'm curious. How many millions of Jews do Christians (or the children of Christians such as Nazis) have to murder before Jews are allowed to publicly express concerns about a movie that revives the old charge of deicide -- that Jews killed god. This charge has been responsible for the Christian murder of tens of thousands of Jews throughout history, particularly after performances of passion plays (upon which this movie is modeled).
How much Jewish blood do you guys want? How many of us have to die before you think it is OK for us to say we've had enough?
well spent my donation towards hamas
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Donovan,
The movie is not "true" but it is the vision and the way one person understood the bible. A very important point to remember.If the film is "anti-semetic" (it's not), then it is the BIBLE that is anti-semetic
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movi....ap/index.html
"This is one man's vision, his interpretation of what he reads in the Gospels and how they impact his own life," said the Rev. Stephen Bauman, a Methodist minister and board member of the Partnership of Faith, an interfaith group of Christians, Jews and Muslims in Manhattan. "He's entitled to his vision, but we shouldn't receive this vision as the same thing as the Gospel."Comment
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same thoughts, even before the movie entered the big screen, where in the hell those anti-Semitic complaints came from?Originally posted by zzgundamnzz
I agree, all those people protesting and calling it anti-semetic probably never even saw it...
story is purely what is written from the Bible, no personal involvement of Mel Gibson whom i think has some guts to spend his own money without thinking of any return of investment.Comment
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can't wait to see it
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Originally posted by shepherd
Well, Shephard, let's read what the Bible itself says. Here's Mark 15:
Mark 15
1 And straightway in the morning the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council, and bound Jesus, and carried him away, and delivered him to Pilate. 2 And Pilate asked him, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answering said unto them, Thou sayest it. 3 And the chief priests accused him of many things: but he answered nothing. 4 And Pilate asked him again, saying, Answerest thou nothing? behold how many things they witness against thee. 5 But Jesus yet answered nothing; so that Pilate marvelled. 6 Now at that feast he released unto them one prisoner, whomsoever they desired. 7 And there was one named Barabbas, which lay bound with them that had made insurrection with him, who had committed murder in the insurrection. 8 And the multitude crying aloud began to desire him to do as he had ever done unto them. 9 But Pilate answered them, saying, Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews? 10 For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy. 11 But the chief priests moved the people, that he should rather release Barabbas unto them. 12 And Pilate answered and said again unto them, What will ye then that I shall do unto him whom ye call the King of the Jews? 13 And they cried out again, Crucify him. 14 Then Pilate said unto them, Why, what evil hath he done? And they cried out the more exceedingly, Crucify him. 15 And so Pilate, willing to content the people, released Barabbas unto them, and delivered Jesus, when he had scourged him, to be crucified. 16 And the soldiers led him away into the hall, called Praetorium; and they call together the whole band. 17 And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head, 18 And began to salute him, Hail, King of the Jews! 19 And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him. 20 And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him. 21 And they compel one Simon a Cyrenian, who passed by, coming out of the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to bear his cross. 22 And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull. 23 And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not. 24 And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take. 25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.Comment
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Oh shit!Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
well spent my donation towards hamas
Arguing whether the Democratic or Republican party is better is like debating which steaming pile of shit is slightly less stinky.Comment
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Or how about this:
John 19
1 Then Pilate therefore took Jesus, and scourged him. 2 And the soldiers platted a crown of thorns, and put it on his head, and they put on him a purple robe, 3 And said, Hail, King of the Jews! and they smote him with their hands. 4 Pilate therefore went forth again, and saith unto them, Behold, I bring him forth to you, that ye may know that I find no fault in him. 5 Then came Jesus forth, wearing the crown of thorns, and the purple robe. And Pilate saith unto them, Behold the man! 6 When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him. 7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God. 8 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he was the more afraid; 9 And went again into the judgment hall, and saith unto Jesus, Whence art thou? But Jesus gave him no answer. 10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee? 11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. 12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar. 13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. 14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! 15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. 16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away. 17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha: 18 Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.Comment
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See what I mean Shepherd? Mel Gibson simply took what the BIBLE said and put it on the big screen. So if the MOVIE is anti-semetic (it is not), then it is actually the BIBLE that is anti-semetic. But, as I mentioned, the funny thing is that the BIBLE was written by Jews.Comment
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Donovan,
I'm not a bible expert, never was.
One thing about Jewish people, we don't read or learn (in schools at least) the new testament, or believe in it.
I saw this cnn article earlier today and it was a rev. that said it, so I take his word for it.
And.. also haven't seen the movie, no interest in religious movies here, jewish, christians, or others.Comment
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Well, now you can read it for yourself. Simply reading those two passages makes it clear that Mel Gibson didn't use his "interpretation" of anything. The Bible's claim to what happened is very clear. No "interpretation" necessary.Originally posted by shepherd
Donovan,
I'm not a bible expert, never was.
One thing about Jewish people, we don't read or learn (in schools at least) the new testament, or believe in it.
I saw this cnn article earlier today and it was a rev. that said it, so I take his word for it.
And.. also haven't seen the movie, no interest in religious movies here, jewish, christians, or others.Comment
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The Old testament was written by Jews. They don't acknowledge the new testament.Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
See what I mean Shepherd? Mel Gibson simply took what the BIBLE said and put it on the big screen. So if the MOVIE is anti-semetic (it is not), then it is actually the BIBLE that is anti-semetic. But, as I mentioned, the funny thing is that the BIBLE was written by Jews.
- Events are also extremely vague. It tells you key events but its missing detail.
- Bible is a recollection of events written decades after the events
- Mel Gibson took alot of stuff literally when he wasn't supposed too
Despite a few inaccuracies in the movie there are no anti-semetic events. What people see is the council did it, his own people...
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I agree! What fucking idiots!!!!Originally posted by =^..^=
I agree 100%
I saw it Fri night and from what I saw in the movie - most of the Jews were crying that jesus was being crucified
it was the Pharisees and the Sadducees who wanted him dead - they brought in their own rabble of people for the "lynch mob"
anyone who bitches about is has their head up their ass
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Agreed!Originally posted by Headless
I just saw the movie. In no way did I or anyone else walk out fo the theatre wanting to kill the "jews". Who ever bitched about this movie is a fucking moron.
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Some of you people are fucking stupid. I lost a level of respect for some people here today.
It's a MOVIE, not a 100% true, it kinda follows the story, it follows a real event, for a movie, a theory of how one man viewed it to happen, FOR A MOVIE.
The movie was great; it reminded us of the suffering, fighting, and self sacrifices JESUS made. Not oh my god, it's the Jews doing it. It's ABOUT JESUS people, quit thinking of yourself and your own groups.
Damn.
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In order for the Jews to be guilty of deicide they would have first had to acknowledge that Jesus was in fact the son of God. While it is true that more people have been killed in the name of Christianity than any other cause since man has walked the earth, I don't think that anyone is going to harbour any anti-semetic feelings that didn't have them already. There was, very clearly, several opportunties for the Jesus to escape his fate but he took none, which is one of the fundamental themes in Christianity in that Jesus volutnarily went to his crucifixtion by way of his refusal to deny God and man his responsibility of assuming the sins of all men through his suffering.Originally posted by Deepundercover
Sadduccees and Pharisees are Jews. All the Jews in the movie look horrible except for the few that support Jesus.
I'm curious. How many millions of Jews do Christians (or the children of Christians such as Nazis) have to murder before Jews are allowed to publicly express concerns about a movie that revives the old charge of deicide -- that Jews killed god. This charge has been responsible for the Christian murder of tens of thousands of Jews throughout history, particularly after performances of passion plays (upon which this movie is modeled).
How much Jewish blood do you guys want? How many of us have to die before you think it is OK for us to say we've had enough?
I personally think the members of the Jewish community who have spoken out against the movie-
A- Don't speak for all Jews and those of Jewish heritage.
B- Are just looking for some reason to cry fouls the same as many whiny, minority special interest groups do at one time or another.
Not that it matters but I am an atheist of Jewish heritage so I have no special interest in defending either the Christian or Jewish communities.[email protected]
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Or likely hasn't seen it.Originally posted by =^..^=
anyone who bitches about is has their head up their ass.Comment
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Those people are idiots... they should thank whoever killed the dude so they could further rationalize their superstitions.Originally posted by Deepundercover
Sadduccees and Pharisees are Jews. All the Jews in the movie look horrible except for the few that support Jesus.
I'm curious. How many millions of Jews do Christians (or the children of Christians such as Nazis) have to murder before Jews are allowed to publicly express concerns about a movie that revives the old charge of deicide -- that Jews killed god. This charge has been responsible for the Christian murder of tens of thousands of Jews throughout history, particularly after performances of passion plays (upon which this movie is modeled).
How much Jewish blood do you guys want? How many of us have to die before you think it is OK for us to say we've had enough?
Did the Jews kill Horus?
(google for "isis horus jesus")Comment
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Great points -- Gibson did NOT reflect "exactly what is written in the Bible."Originally posted by zzgundamnzz
- Events are also extremely vague. It tells you key events but its missing detail.
- Bible is a recollection of events written decades after the events
He remixed the Gospels to make a movie.
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Donovan's basic point is why can't Jews let Christians tell their own story.
There are many answers to this. One, Jews rarely protest when Christians tell their own story. Some Jews protest when a particular Christian or Christians, such as Mel Gibson, tells the Christian story in a way likely to incite the murder of Jews. Telling the Passion story has long been a way for Christians to incite the murder of Jews.
The Gospels are not history but propaganda. Jews have never crucified people and have never called for the crucifixtion of anyone. The Jewish council, the Sanhedrin, had no power to crucify or sentence to death by crucifixtion. The Romans ruled Palestine at this time and were in no way cowered by Jews into doing things they did not want to do.
The New Testament is probably not written by Jews but largely if not entirely by non-Jews. If they were Jewish, they were abysmally ignorant of basic Jewish rituals and beliefs and the Jewish language of Hebrew.
Even if the authors were Jewish, many Jews can create Jew-hatred, such as Karl Marx. Hatred of Jews is woven into the Gospels (John 8:44 for instance) and into Christianity. Whenever Christianity has had monolithic power, Jews have been persecuted and slaughtered.
For more on this, read the books of Hyam Maccoby.Comment
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