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  • Grammar Police
    So Fucking Banned
    • Feb 2004
    • 727
    #1

    Cheating Sponsors - List

    Signup 4 Cash - Nasty shave routine based on the productivity and traffic of affiliates.

    Medium Pimpin - Same as above.

    VideosZ - Straight shave.

    Click Cash - Straight shave on signups.

    Join Right Now - Undercounting clicks and straight shave on signups.

    Any others you guys know of that are definitely scammers?


    There is some good news. There are some sponsors that I know for a FACT don't shave.

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    • pimplink
      Confirmed User
      • Jun 2001
      • 9535
      #2
      have proof?

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        • Grammar Police
          So Fucking Banned
          • Feb 2004
          • 727
          #3
          Originally posted by pimplink
          have proof?
          I've seen it with my own two eyes.

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            • pimplink
              Confirmed User
              • Jun 2001
              • 9535
              #4
              Originally posted by Grammar Police
              I've seen it with my own two eyes.
              been inside the admin interface?

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                • Manowar
                  jellyfish  
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 71528
                  #5

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                    • Dagwolf
                      President of Canada
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 23141
                      #6
                      Bah... I forgot to look at the thread author before I clicked.

                      No information here...
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                        • Grammar Police
                          So Fucking Banned
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 727
                          #7
                          Originally posted by pimplink
                          been inside the admin interface?
                          Have you been scammed by any of these companies? If not, you shouldn't concern yourself with it. One of the above sponsors is getting ready to get a nasty surprise thanks to the proof I have. In the US, shaving constitutes fraud and is therefore a criminal offense.

                          Have you ever seen a program owner and a couple of employees arrested for shaving? If not, you're about to.

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                            • Methodcash Rick
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 1720
                              #8
                              We don't shave..

                              Here's need proof???

























                              Oh, plus we use NATS.. 'nuff said..

                              Yes it's a shameless plug...

                              MethodCash.Com
                              Last edited by Methodcash Rick; 10-19-2004, 12:31 PM.

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                                • pimplink
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jun 2001
                                  • 9535
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Grammar Police
                                  Have you been scammed by any of these companies? If not, you shouldn't concern yourself with it. One of the above sponsors is getting ready to get a nasty surprise thanks to the proof I have. In the US, shaving constitutes fraud and is therefore a criminal offense.

                                  Have you ever seen a program owner and a couple of employees arrested for shaving? If not, you're about to.
                                  cool

                                  I'm an affiliate of some of these programs but not currently promoting them

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                                    • Manowar
                                      jellyfish  
                                      • Dec 2003
                                      • 71528
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Grammar Police
                                      Have you been scammed by any of these companies? If not, you shouldn't concern yourself with it. One of the above sponsors is getting ready to get a nasty surprise thanks to the proof I have. In the US, shaving constitutes fraud and is therefore a criminal offense.

                                      Have you ever seen a program owner and a couple of employees arrested for shaving? If not, you're about to.
                                      That would be MASSIVE DRAMA

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                                        • mailman
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Mar 2001
                                          • 6311
                                          #11
                                          Grammar Police we dont shave.. but you claim to have proof so please let me be the first to ask for you to POST your proof! i would love to see it!

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                                            • CyberBachelor
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jun 2003
                                              • 2682
                                              #12
                                              awaiting proof
                                              .....................................

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                                                • Nader
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Dec 2003
                                                  • 5086
                                                  #13
                                                  Medium Pimpin Shave!!!!!! Are you sure about that. Wheres your proof man.

                                                  THey are a hard working honest crew

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                                                    • Roald
                                                      SecretFriends.com
                                                      • May 2001
                                                      • 27910
                                                      #14
                                                      This thread is worthless without proof and you know it.

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                                                        • rockbear
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                          • 806
                                                          #15
                                                          You can add every sponsor who use MPA2.

                                                          Really easy to shave with this program so your list can be really big now

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                                                            • Bryan Havoc
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                              • 784
                                                              #16
                                                              Grammar Police, that's bullshit. We send a lot of traffic to Medium Pimpin, and I can tell you for a fact that they don't shave.

                                                              Stand up guys over there.
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                                                                • Bryan Havoc
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                  • 784
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by rockbear
                                                                  You can add every sponsor who use MPA2.

                                                                  Really easy to shave with this program so your list can be really big now
                                                                  my company doesn't use MPA2, but for arguments sake, if I owned a gun, does that mean I'm going to kill people with it?
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                                                                    • mailman
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                                      • 6311
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by rockbear
                                                                      You can add every sponsor who use MPA2.

                                                                      Really easy to shave with this program so your list can be really big now
                                                                      Funny due to that we moved off MPA about 4 months back because of all their programs shaving we did not want to be part of that group!

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                                                                        • nofx
                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                          • Nov 2002
                                                                          • 16826
                                                                          #19
                                                                          show some proof or this thread was a waste.

                                                                          proof PROVES your statements.

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                                                                            • mailman
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Mar 2001
                                                                              • 6311
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by apx_bryan
                                                                              my company doesn't use MPA2, but for arguments sake, if I owned a gun, does that mean I'm going to kill people with it?
                                                                              Good point!

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                                                                                • Grammar Police
                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                                  • 727
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  If any of you know anything about the legal system, you'd understand why it isn't a good idea to show all of my cards. Technically this thread isn't a good idea but I want these guys to know who got them.

                                                                                  How does this sound:

                                                                                  12 credit cards, all valid and from different areas.

                                                                                  Ordered 12 memberships over 48 hours. 3 scrubbed, 9 went through. I was credited with 5. Somebody is in deep shit.

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                                                                                    • jact
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                                                      • 9134
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Having been inside the admin interface for Medium Pimpin, I can guarentee you they don't shave. Simply knowing Kevin a little bit would tell you straight off that they run a tight, honest ship. Keep trolling, you may one day actually hit on a program that DOES shave.
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                                                                                        • Roald
                                                                                          SecretFriends.com
                                                                                          • May 2001
                                                                                          • 27910
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by apx_bryan
                                                                                          my company doesn't use MPA2, but for arguments sake, if I owned a gun, does that mean I'm going to kill people with it?
                                                                                          exactly!


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                                                                                            • Furious_Male
                                                                                              Doing the grind since 99
                                                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                                                              • 16884
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              I have no opinion regarding the original post or the programs mentioned, but I find it funny that so many think there is no way to tell if someone is shaving. There are plenty of ways. It takes a lot of time, but it can be done. I know without a doubt when I am being shaved and most of the time I can narrow down a percentage.

                                                                                              Everyone always says "PROOF". Fuck the proof. Why would I want to show my methods of weeding out the lousy sponsors. Do sponsors give us all the methods for weeding out fradulent affiliates? No because with the information they will just find new ways to fuck you.

                                                                                              The difference between myself and Grammar Police is I just stop promoting them or try to go with the eb and flow with the shave. I don't bother posting about it because the simple minded just don't understand.

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                                                                                                • Bryan Havoc
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                  • 784
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Grammar Police
                                                                                                  If any of you know anything about the legal system, you'd understand why it isn't a good idea to show all of my cards. Technically this thread isn't a good idea but I want these guys to know who got them.

                                                                                                  How does this sound:

                                                                                                  12 credit cards, all valid and from different areas.

                                                                                                  Ordered 12 memberships over 48 hours. 3 scrubbed, 9 went through. I was credited with 5. Somebody is in deep shit.
                                                                                                  If you knew the legal system you'd know that this would be considered slander.
                                                                                                  Bryan Havoc // ICQ - 165029472
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                                                                                                    • johndoebob
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                                      • 3405
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Proofs please, but I must say I don't really promote three of them anymore because of the bad ratios compared to traffic sent according to my server logs.

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                                                                                                        • Grammar Police
                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                                                                          • 727
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by apx_bryan
                                                                                                          Grammar Police, that's bullshit. We send a lot of traffic to Medium Pimpin, and I can tell you for a fact that they don't shave.

                                                                                                          Stand up guys over there.
                                                                                                          That would be a terrible business decision unless you shave too. Is there truly honor among thieves? I'm not accusing you but it makes me wonder when I know without a doubt that a sponsor shaves and you try to tell me that they don't.

                                                                                                          That's like me saying that fire is hot and you say it's not even warm.

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                                                                                                            • rockbear
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                                                                              • 806
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Bryan How hard is it to know if a program or sponsor shave or not? When you are 100% sure with proof that a program shave or can shave this is better to use another sponsor. Anyway there is a thousand of sponsors online now so the best solution is to use a sponsor that you never hear or see any proof about shaving. If you like to be fucked this is your choice.

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                                                                                                                • Ray@TastyDollars
                                                                                                                  www.TastyDollars.com
                                                                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                                                                  • 6797
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  O

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                                                                                                                    • sixxxthsense
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                      • 2419
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by pimplink
                                                                                                                      have proof?
                                                                                                                      fuck u and proof!

                                                                                                                      They got proof that they dont shave?

                                                                                                                      and that wining bitch, everyone shaves so fuck u and do ur own shit

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                                                                                                                        • Grammar Police
                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                          • 727
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by apx_bryan
                                                                                                                          If you knew the legal system you'd know that this would be considered slander.
                                                                                                                          Only if what I said wasn't true. I haven't said anything that isn't true in this thread. Obviously you don't know the legal system.

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                                                                                                                            • pimplink
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                              • 9535
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              keep us posted on any legal action taking place

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                                                                                                                                • Bryan Havoc
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 784
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by rockbear
                                                                                                                                  Bryan How hard is it to know if a program or sponsor shave or not? When you are 100% sure with proof that a program shave or can shave this is better to use another sponsor. Anyway there is a thousand of sponsors online now so the best solution is to use a sponsor that you never hear or see any proof about shaving. If you like to be fucked this is your choice.
                                                                                                                                  I know what the percentages are, and I know when someone is shaving. When you have a traffic source and you've been promoting the same style of traffic for over 7 years, you tend to get a grasp on how many signups you should expect.
                                                                                                                                  Bryan Havoc // ICQ - 165029472
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                                                                                                                                    • DaLord
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 3318
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      I'm beginning to think you're right about Signup 4 Cash. My stats are beyond terrible but I'm doing well with other sponsors with the same traffic and same niche. Needless to say I don't have any proof but I know when I'm wasting my traffic.

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                                                                                                                                        • AnalProbe
                                                                                                                                          pain in the Ass
                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 3727
                                                                                                                                          #35

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                                                                                                                                            • pimplink
                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 9535
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by sixxxthsense
                                                                                                                                              fuck u and proof!

                                                                                                                                              They got proof that they dont shave?

                                                                                                                                              and that wining bitch, everyone shaves so fuck u and do ur own shit
                                                                                                                                              are you crazy?

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                                                                                                                                                • Minte
                                                                                                                                                  Babemeister
                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                  • 7081
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  I've been inside the ADMIN at Medium Pimpin'

                                                                                                                                                  Honest as the day is long,

                                                                                                                                                  THEY DO NOT SHAVE.

                                                                                                                                                  End of discussion.
                                                                                                                                                  You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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                                                                                                                                                    • Bryan Havoc
                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                      • 784
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Grammar Police
                                                                                                                                                      Only if what I said wasn't true. I haven't said anything that isn't true in this thread. Obviously you don't know the legal system.
                                                                                                                                                      Holy shit! You're absolutely correct. Thanks for teaching me about the legal system! You appearing on PBS anytime soon?
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                                                                                                                                                        • SL|M!
                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                          • 1480
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Idiot. For one we count second page hits and two, im on X3 script that has no shave built in script. So this thread is bullshit.

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                                                                                                                                                            • BlingDaddy
                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                              • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                                              • 6343
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              I will accuse no-one of anything.... without proof. I can offer historical stats that may enlighten.

                                                                                                                                                              Medium Pimpin - 0:2493 since signup.
                                                                                                                                                              Signup4Cash - 0:810 since signup.
                                                                                                                                                              Join Right Now - 0:432 since signup.


                                                                                                                                                              I have other programs running 1:52

                                                                                                                                                              It's all good though..... I just don't promote programs that don't pay.
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                                                                                                                                                                • Bryan Havoc
                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                  • 784
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Grammar Police
                                                                                                                                                                  That would be a terrible business decision unless you shave too. Is there truly honor among thieves? I'm not accusing you but it makes me wonder when I know without a doubt that a sponsor shaves and you try to tell me that they don't.

                                                                                                                                                                  That's like me saying that fire is hot and you say it's not even warm.
                                                                                                                                                                  Following your logic, since you're accusing an innocent company of shaving, and I know that they don't shave, then obviously that means that my company shaves? You're a bright guy.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Tam
                                                                                                                                                                      Rude Bitch
                                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                      • 8533
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Well I don't know Kevin at all, but I know mailman and I can say this without any sign of doubt, he'd never ever support a company that shaved, so I find it hard to believe about that one. I have known mailman for many years, and he's about one of the most honest people I know. I know a lot of very good people that swear by them, and that know Kevin, so I have to believe that they are honest, hard working webmasters..... you'd have to show me some pretty hefty proof before I bought that one.... just for the simple fact, I know mailman and he has more morals than to work for a cheater.
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                                                                                                                                                                        • tranza
                                                                                                                                                                          ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                          • 57559
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          IMO: This guy should be banned if he didn't post some proof of what he's saying....

                                                                                                                                                                          I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Sexzity
                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                                                                              • 1329
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by tranza
                                                                                                                                                                              IMO: This guy should be banned if he didn't post some proof of what he's saying....
                                                                                                                                                                              I agree on that.

                                                                                                                                                                              Well spoken Tam

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Grammar Police
                                                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 727
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Tam
                                                                                                                                                                                  Well I don't know Kevin at all, but I know mailman and I can say this without any sign of doubt, he'd never ever support a company that shaved, so I find it hard to believe about that one. I have known mailman for many years, and he's about one of the most honest people I know. I know a lot of very good people that swear by them, and that know Kevin, so I have to believe that they are honest, hard working webmasters..... you'd have to show me some pretty hefty proof before I bought that one.... just for the simple fact, I know mailman and he has more morals than to work for a cheater.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Remind me who you used to work for again. It was PIB, correct?

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • rockbear
                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 806
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      So if you are in the business since 7 years (like myself) and that is so easy to see that a sponsor shave, can you tell me at least 5 sponsors who shave here right now?

                                                                                                                                                                                      I will tell you if you are as good as you think. I used over 200 sponsors in the last 7 years so I think that I will be able to judge myelf if you are good or not.

                                                                                                                                                                                      My point is that this is so easy to set the % of shave with a program like that, that I prefer to use another sponsor.

                                                                                                                                                                                      So I will wait for your list Bryan

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Grammar Police
                                                                                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 727
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by apx_bryan
                                                                                                                                                                                          Following your logic, since you're accusing an innocent company of shaving, and I know that they don't shave, then obviously that means that my company shaves? You're a bright guy.
                                                                                                                                                                                          You're either mistaken or you're lying. I'm not sure which.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • [Brian]
                                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 1523
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by tranza
                                                                                                                                                                                              IMO: This guy should be banned if he didn't post some proof of what he's saying....
                                                                                                                                                                                              "Grammar Police" is just an alter ego nick anyway I'm sure, what good would that do.


                                                                                                                                                                                              It's kind of ridiculous when people constantly say 'Where's the proof?!?' -- there is really nothing that can be posted on a msg board that would serve as undeniable proof of shaving, NOTHING.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • rockbear
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 806
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Grammar Police about VideosZ how they shave?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Never hear anything about shaving for them or never see any proof of that.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • natkejs
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 1640
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by SL|M!
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Idiot. For one we count second page hits and two, im on X3 script that has no shave built in script. So this thread is bullshit.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      ohh ... I've heard about that script, Partner Soft 5 right? same that Nasty Dollars use ... right?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      if I remember correctly it's written in C and PHP... pretty neat stuff, fast too!

                                                                                                                                                                                                      and if I'm not mistaking, it's locked code ... like this other software NATS. so if it's "impossible" to shave with NATS since it's locked code, then wouldn't the same apply on PS5?

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