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So is the new ARS model the sig system of the future.

02-27-2004, 10:56 PM

basically the buying of sigs is too much work it needs to be more automated like on ebay. Or a auction site.. if you could just go around bidding and all auctions ended at teh same time and you got emails with all teh ones you win and then close them all out at one time it would be much more efficent .

if I want to buy say 50-100 sigs its like a whole days work the way its set up now. I dont really have time to spoend a whole day each month buying sigs !

if I could just go somewhere and buy 50 peoples next 100 posts then i could get some pretty quick flood of branding.

Also sig buying is getting less worth it as more and more people surf with sigs off. If we are gonna have sig auctions then we should make it so that you can not turn off sigs. That would make them more valuable

with that said it would appear that if you want to buy a ton of sigs all at once in a quick an eficient manner the best way to do it is to offer a smal CPM and a small per click offer and maybye add in a small % of sales bonus. And you can getway more branding than spending all day on the sig board. With lens aproval I will start on a similar system to buy sigs.
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02-27-2004, 10:57 PM

i think its a good system

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02-27-2004, 10:58 PM

I disagree, it's not made to be easy for sponsors to be able to throughly spam the board with one click ease. There could be some adjustments to make it work better but I think these would make it worse, better for sponsors, worse for the board and the owner.

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02-27-2004, 10:58 PM

people who have sigs turned off would not click them even if they were forced on.
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02-27-2004, 10:59 PM

Its a decent system, although they probably pay a bit to much per impression.

I do like the extra rewards for clicks as it means you got what your paying for.
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02-27-2004, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by Digipimp
I disagree, it's not made to be easy for sponsors to be able to throughly spam the board with one click ease. There could be some adjustments to make it work better but I think these would make it worse, better for sponsors, worse for the board and the owner.

since the ARS model is going to be allowed to continue
it already has become pay per post basically. So I am going to write a program that automates it and then I dont have to think about it just write checks.
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02-27-2004, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by foolio
people who have sigs turned off would not click them even if they were forced on.

its about branding the more you see it the more aware and familiar with it you are. you may not need live cams today. but if you see my face every day for a year and you remember I am the live cam king... then when you do need live cams you will come to me as you are familiar with me after seeing me every day
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02-27-2004, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by LegendaryLars

since the ARS model is going to be allowed to continue
it already has become pay per post basically. So I am going to write a program that automates it and then I dont have to think about it just write checks.

yeah i'm sure it's a pain in the ass to deal with a lot of webmasters on an individual basis

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02-27-2004, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by LegendaryLars

since the ARS model is going to be allowed to continue
it already has become pay per post basically. So I am going to write a program that automates it and then I dont have to think about it just write checks.

I hear you man, I don't know that I'm totally against the pay per impression or even better yet the pay per click. However ARS hit with a high cpm and then ruined it and bailed out on it after a couple days only to say they are going to revise the price to be much lower. I would have to guess that Lens probably wasn't too happy with it either.

I mean we were talking about non posting or 200 post people suddenly hopping on and posting 40 and 50 times a day and getting 5 to 6 thousand impressions, which was $25 to $30 under their plan and add in clicks and you could have been looking at these posters who don't post relevant info whoring it out to the tune of $1000 a month.

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02-27-2004, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by LegendaryLars
Also sig buying is getting less worth it as more and more people surf with sigs off.

For what I read this month we have new records with SleazyDream signature(and you are the buyer LegendaryLars isnt?), so sponsors continue to invest money on it, the problem of "turned off sig" would be solved if people starts to use less invasive sigs
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02-27-2004, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by LegendaryLars

its about branding the more you see it the more aware and familiar with it you are. you may not need live cams today. but if you see my face every day for a year and you remember I am the live cam king... then when you do need live cams you will come to me as you are familiar with me after seeing me every day

Your exactly right. Branding is a concept that sometimes people overlook but is one of the most important marketing strategies you can employ.
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02-27-2004, 11:09 PM

for the millionth time, sigs are for wannabe webmaster loser or to 100% cause drama. one or the other there is no in between.
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02-27-2004, 11:09 PM

you know i was thinking, if this got out of hand for a long period of time, Lensman would just have to ban per impression posting too.

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02-27-2004, 11:12 PM

I tell you what Lars if you want to do it right then create a pay per impression and click sig program but have it multi level. Put people with reps or a lot of posts or people who post relevant info and don't post whore into a higher payout for cpm's and clicks and create a bottom rung for general webmasters so that they can't whore it out too much. Then you'll be able to brand the way you want and not have it fuck the flow up.

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02-27-2004, 11:13 PM

the best part about pay per impression is you pay for what you get. ie you dont pre pay for a month and have the guy rarely post etc.

Plus if there is a way to promote the sponsor you want and get paid its a win win.
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02-27-2004, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by LegendaryLars
basically the buying of sigs is too much work it needs to be more automated like on ebay. Or a auction site.

The buying of sigs can also be automated, but the pay per impression or the pay per post is totally wrong as concept cos it is an incentive to post smiles, bumps, and to transform GFY board in Spam board
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02-27-2004, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by sexsup
The buying of sigs can also be automated, but the pay per impression or the pay per post is totally wrong as concept cos it is an incentive to post smiles, bumps, and to transform GFY board in Spam board

This is also a great point. Sigs in general have done this, but I would hate to see it get any worse.
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02-27-2004, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by Digipimp
I tell you what Lars if you want to do it right then create a pay per impression and click sig program but have it multi level. Put people with reps or a lot of posts or people who post relevant info and don't post whore into a higher payout for cpm's and clicks and create a bottom rung for general webmasters so that they can't whore it out too much. Then you'll be able to brand the way you want and not have it fuck the flow up.

yeah I was thinking if people had 5000 or more posts or just basically by invite only. but ars is just doing it for everyone so to be competative I would prolly just do what they are doing after all I am king of being #2
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02-27-2004, 11:23 PM

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02-27-2004, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by LegendaryLars

yeah I was thinking if people had 5000 or more posts or just basically by invite only. but ars is just doing it for everyone so to be competative I would prolly just do what they are doing after all I am king of being #2

Yeah well I bet ARS drops that bitch down to $1cpm or less in the next few days. So if I were you I would do a general program to compete with that one and then do an invite only for those of us with name or higher post counts and pay a higher cpm and you'll have it locked up.

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02-27-2004, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by LegendaryLars

yeah I was thinking if people had 5000 or more posts or just basically by invite only. but ars is just doing it for everyone so to be competative I would prolly just do what they are doing after all I am king of being #2

Sometimes the post numbers are misleading, especially if the person is a moron and just posts smileys and gets skipped over or put on the ignore list etc.

Invite only does solve that problem for the most part, but like you said, the competition dictates the way to go right now. But you always come up with creative plans, so I am sure you will kick ass with this as well.
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02-27-2004, 11:24 PM

or Lens could just randomly shove into every 4 posts a GFY paying advertiser banner and that would be the end of this stuff.

I would be totally happy with that.
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02-27-2004, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by Digipimp

Yeah well I bet ARS drops that bitch down to $1cpm or less in the next few days. So if I were you I would do a general program to compete with that one and then do an invite only for those of us with name or higher post counts and pay a higher cpm and you'll have it locked up.

they're lowering it to $1.75 CPM

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02-27-2004, 11:28 PM

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they're lowering it to $1.75 CPM

I bet with my good placement and posting on the board I can easily pull 15,000 impressions a day.

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02-27-2004, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by LegendaryLars
or Lens could just randomly shove into every 4 posts a GFY paying advertiser banner and that would be the end of this stuff.

I would be totally happy with that.

that sounds like a statement that Bush made that went something along the lines of it sure would be easier to govern in a dictatorship....

imo easier doesn't always = lovely, right, kosher, or groovey

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02-27-2004, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by LegendaryLars
or Lens could just randomly shove into every 4 posts a GFY paying advertiser banner and that would be the end of this stuff.

I'm pretty sure Lensman could add also that feature, but he has big advantages from the sig system cos GFY is a forum and to be always over thte top it needs new discussions to make it interesting to read and to post in
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02-27-2004, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by Digipimp

I bet with my good placement and posting on the board I can easily pull 15,000 impressions a day.

I don't doubt that at all.

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02-27-2004, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by TheJimmy

that sounds like a statement that Bush made that went something along the lines of it sure would be easier to govern in a dictatorship....

imo easier doesn't always = lovely, right, kosher, or groovey

yup this biz is cutthrought
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02-27-2004, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by LegendaryLars

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02-27-2004, 11:42 PM

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yup this biz is cutthrought

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02-28-2004, 09:51 AM

any more thoughts on this ?

I woulda bought more sigs but its too much work..

I am prolly gonna just build sig whoring into my program like ars has.

Its a fucking genious idea..
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02-28-2004, 10:19 AM

Actually, pay per impression might not be such a bad idea.

If it became common practice for everyone to put smiley/bump whores on ignore, they wouldn't be getting impressions

An automated system would be all "taking" (sponsors who want to spam and sig whores) and little "giving". Do you want a webmaster community or a billboard? An automated system would make the boards about as useful as a "free for all" links page is to a surfer.

It's much better for sponsors to hand pick where their ads are going. That way they can share in the responsibility and consequences.

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02-29-2004, 11:13 AM

We need to disable the ability to turn off sigs...

if we are going to have a sig market !
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02-29-2004, 11:18 AM

I agree but then the people don't have a choice and might not surf gfy if they have dialup.

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02-29-2004, 11:18 AM

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02-29-2004, 11:20 AM

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02-29-2004, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by LegendaryLars
We need to disable the ability to turn off sigs...

if we are going to have a sig market !

from the perspective of a sig-buyer/program owner I would have to totally agree on that one...

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02-29-2004, 11:26 AM

I think Lars is into something here
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02-29-2004, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by LegendaryLars

its about branding the more you see it the more aware and familiar with it you are. you may not need live cams today. but if you see my face every day for a year and you remember I am the live cam king... then when you do need live cams you will come to me as you are familiar with me after seeing me every day

i think that Lars has a good point here..such a system would certainly work if it's not abused like in the case of ARS

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02-29-2004, 11:38 AM

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02-29-2004, 12:13 PM

Sounds like a good idea to me :D

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02-29-2004, 12:13 PM

It should be interesting to see what evolves from it.

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02-29-2004, 12:48 PM

There certainly is a market for sigs. A sytem to make it all easy and with one click shood be awesome But, the PPI model is not too bad at all...
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02-29-2004, 01:31 PM

Just do it. I'm in.

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02-29-2004, 02:58 PM

ok I will put it on the to do board..
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02-29-2004, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by LegendaryLars
any more thoughts on this ?

I woulda bought more sigs but its too much work..

I am prolly gonna just build sig whoring into my program like ars has.

Its a fucking genious idea..

Get somebody that posts a lot here to buy sigs for you ... and pay him like 200 $ for the day he'll spend on here reviewing everything.

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02-29-2004, 03:25 PM

Personally I think the system sucks.

It might help board owners by increasing their webmaster traffic and board activity, and therefore increase the advertizing rates for banners and such.

However, on the other hand, the quality will undeniably go down the shitter. That's a given.

Sigh, I remember when my sig ref codes for internet eraser made me 2 grant monthly in 2001 ~ those days in which people are really interested in sigs on an oversaturated market like todays are over. Then again the exposure for the program will be enormous.

I don't know, I am just more about networking with other webmasters than spewing the general nonsense shit to sport my sig. Personally, my posting activity hasn't increased since I cut a deal with Lens, and hasn't decreased either. But you can't expect any sort of quality from the general crowd when per impression sigs will become more popular. Shit, 3/4 of the people won't even run adult websites no more... just hit the boards and collect sig money.

Down with the system.
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